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Does anyone plan on making new roms and themes for the hero i dont really like the look on the stock rom i have MoDaCo and it looks the same as stock like the g1 they have alot of nice roms and stuff will we ever have roms like that?
thorracing1 said:
Does anyone plan on making new roms and themes for the hero i dont really like the look on the stock rom i have MoDaCo and it looks the same as stock like the g1 they have alot of nice roms and stuff will we ever have roms like that?
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I'm currently back on the HTC ROM but I would assume you can still run any of the home replacements from the market (or just the default android one) on MoDaCo.
do you know any good ones?
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do you know any good ones?
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It's really a preference thing, there's no harm in installing any one of them and seeing if you like'em. Sense really is the better fit for me.
Some of the major ones are:
- OpenHome
- aHome
-dxTop
- PandaHome
...that's just off the top of my head some of the ones I've tried. They each have some cool and unique things about them.
Once i figure what can me skinned and how i will be making themes. Not sure if i will post any, as i must have made at least 100 themes for S2U2 for personal use when i had my WinMo phones. If i did do one to post it would more than likely be a Danbo (Danboard) theme.
I just discovered that little guy and i already outfitted my chompSMS with several wallpapers of him.
thecodemonk said:
It's really a preference thing, there's no harm in installing any one of them and seeing if you like'em. Sense really is the better fit for me.
Some of the major ones are:
- OpenHome
- aHome
-dxTop
- PandaHome
...that's just off the top of my head some of the ones I've tried. They each have some cool and unique things about them.
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aHome Lite made my Hero so laggy i could hardly use it. It took me like 10 minutes just to get it uninstalled.
Also, when i was searching for OpenHome i couldnt find the actual program, only themes. Anyone know the official app name?
lol if you figure out how to make a theme you should defiently make me one
Negrito said:
aHome Lite made my Hero so laggy i could hardly use it. It took me like 10 minutes just to get it uninstalled.
Also, when i was searching for OpenHome i couldnt find the actual program, only themes. Anyone know the official app name?
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I didn't have much trouble with aHome, odd.
Any home replacement will be difficult to find on the market if there's a bunch of themes with the name in it sadly.
I almost forgot a few more too:
- Freshface
- GDE (though I don't know if this one is out yet)
As for OpenHome, fire up that barcode scanner and go here:
http://www.androidtapp.com/open-home/ It has QR codes to scan and will take you straight to the market app.
which one do you think looks the best? and is the fastest
Negrito said:
Once i figure what can me skinned and how i will be making themes. Not sure if i will post any, as i must have made at least 100 themes for S2U2 for personal use when i had my WinMo phones...
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I thought I recognized you from PPCG!
I used to have a Diamond and even made a few ROMs using some of the great kitchens available. It would be awesome if there were some kind of kitchen for the Hero. Hell, I might even give it a try then...just don't tell my wife, she thinks I quit cooking.
lol you got the hero too?
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I thought I recognized you from PPCG!
I used to have a Diamond and even made a few ROMs using some of the great kitchens available. It would be awesome if there were some kind of kitchen for the Hero. Hell, I might even give it a try then...just don't tell my wife, she thinks I quit cooking.
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There is a kitchen, its called Android SDK and you can use it with eclipse. all you need to do is go grab the source from htc and compile it the way you want to and load it up with eclipse. or the android emulator. there is other steps but thats what google is for. i am working on my own rom right now. cant wait till its done. i am wondering how fast a bone stock rom would run.
I would be ur number one fan for a bone stock Android with hero support. I'd even go as far as to say it would be the base most custom roms are based off of.
I'm not a programmer but if u go through with this is there any way to twist cryogen's work into it? He gets great reviews and the update utility is pretty pimp
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I didn't have much trouble with aHome, odd.
Any home replacement will be difficult to find on the market if there's a bunch of themes with the name in it sadly.
I almost forgot a few more too:
- Freshface
- GDE (though I don't know if this one is out yet)
As for OpenHome, fire up that barcode scanner and go here:
http://www.androidtapp.com/open-home/ It has QR codes to scan and will take you straight to the market app.
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Awesome, thanks for the link.
watzone69 said:
I thought I recognized you from PPCG!
I used to have a Diamond and even made a few ROMs using some of the great kitchens available. It would be awesome if there were some kind of kitchen for the Hero. Hell, I might even give it a try then...just don't tell my wife, she thinks I quit cooking.
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Yep, they banned me over something dumb, and i didnt feel like fighting them, plus since i have a Hero now they are useless.
can someone tell me how to make roms and stuff like that for the hero maybe a guide or video on it? thanks
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lol you got the hero too?
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Yep! I made a deal with my wife that I wouldn't spend all my time hacking a phone with Android on it (I know, I'm going to hell for that lie).
cteneyck said:
There is a kitchen, its called Android SDK and you can use it with eclipse. all you need to do is go grab the source from htc and compile it the way you want to and load it up with eclipse. or the android emulator. there is other steps but thats what google is for. i am working on my own rom right now. cant wait till its done. i am wondering how fast a bone stock rom would run.
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Good to know! I'll check it out. I've got quite a bit of catching up to do. Looking forward to your ROM as well.
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Yep, they banned me over something dumb, and i didnt feel like fighting them, plus since i have a Hero now they are useless.
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LOL! I sort-of banned myself. The Hero forum there is pretty lame. I still have friends there and at EDTP but I don't spend much time there anymore.
Alright!
Some months ago, hoping to win a Touch Pro2 from Microsoft and Naughty by Nature, I entered a contest on facebook. I didn't win the device, but I did win a Naughty by Nature theme by xda-devs' own PROBEX. I didn't have anything to put it on, and if I had, I'm not a huge fan. So it has sat unused.
I figure someone should enjoy it, so I'm looking for someone to give it to. FYI, I believe it to be winmo6.1 only. I'm not sure xda-devs is the best place to find a TP2 user still on 6.1, but there is music too. Windows Mobile told me that the prize pack zip includes "Naughty's new single, the .cab file of the TouchFlo 3D Naughty By Nature skin, as well as the full Independent Leaders CD".
EDIT: Giveaway Closed. PMs to winners going out soonish.
Subject to change at my whim, my plan is to offer it to (in the following order)
the most deserving (as determined by me) developer of any freeware or donateware (or similarly generousware) tweaks, software, ROMs etc who asks for it or
the first senior xda-devs member to ask for it or
the first of anyone else to ask for it.
Ask in this thread if you're interested, PM requests will likely be ignored. I'll end the giveaway at my own whim, so don't dilly-dally. If you're a developer of something that's not linked in your signature, and want priority consideration based on it, link to it in your post.
WOW!!!! if nobody has requested it... I would love to have it!!! i been looking for a sweet theme that would go with my brown tmobile phone... that font is off that font is crazy.. I also really like the music on boot up screen.. Let me know if you have it still or not...
I would be more then Happy for the theme. I also entered The contest and didnt win but got a TP2 anyway.
n8izzle said:
WOW!!!! if nobody has requested it... I would love to have it!!! i been looking for a sweet theme that would go with my brown tmobile phone... that font is off that font is crazy.. I also really like the music on boot up screen.. Let me know if you have it still or not...
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I do. You're first in line at the moment, though I do want to hold it open long enough that interested developers and cooks can get a shot. They've enhanced my WinMo experience, so I'd like to do the same for them. Do you have winmo6.1 still?
zelendel said:
I would be more then Happy for the theme. I also entered The contest and didnt win but got a TP2 anyway.
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Yeah, I ended up getting the Verizon version a couple of weeks ago. I got a good deal, and I like the black better than chrome, but free would have beat it . I was really close to being the first post too. If I hadn't paused from reloading to go get a drink...
No problem, i understand, I am currently running 6.5 BUT for that theme I would change in a minute lol.
fortunz said:
Yeah, I ended up getting the Verizon version a couple of weeks ago. I got a good deal, and I like the black better than chrome, but free would have beat it . I was really close to being the first post too. If I hadn't paused from reloading to go get a drink...
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I would have been closer to the top myself If I hadnt watched the video again to see the theme again lol
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No problem, i understand, I am currently running 6.5 BUT for that theme I would change in a minute lol.
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Sweet. I just want it to go to use.
zelendel said:
I would have been closer to the top myself If I hadnt watched the video again to see the theme again lol
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There's still time (maybe) to develop an award winning zoom bar hack to boost your ranking
Would love to but in the middle of putting together my Rom and putting the finishing touches on the dusk dialer graphics to work on the att dialer so I can cab it up for others that dont use my rom.
zelendel said:
Would love to but in the middle of putting together my Rom and putting the finishing touches on the dusk dialer graphics to work on the att dialer so I can cab it up for others that dont use my rom.
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n8izzle just (selflessly, props to you dude) PM'd me mentioning you were a developer. Sorry, I just kind of blanked out, didn't realize that was your cooked rom in your sig (other devs entering, feel free to mention your stuff, I'm not the brightest bulb so I might miss it otherwise)
You freely or freelyish distro your work? I see the DL link, I'm just checking.
fortunz said:
n8izzle just (selflessly, props to you dude) PM'd me mentioning you were a developer. Sorry, I just kind of blanked out, didn't realize that was your cooked rom in your sig (other devs entering, feel free to mention your stuff, I'm not the brightest bulb so I might miss it otherwise)
You freely or freelyish distro your work? I see the DL link, I'm just checking.
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I do it freely. Trying to give back to a forum that has givin me so much. The rom in my sig is still in beta stage thats why no thread yet, working on an issue with mp4 playback. And of course the ATT dusk Dialer.
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Trying to give back to a forum that has givin me so much.
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I hear that. You're at the front of the line for now if you can put it to use. Can you? I don't know a ton about the Tilt2, but I thought it shipped with 6.5 right from the start.
fortunz said:
I hear that. You're at the front of the line for now if you can put it to use. Can you? I don't know a ton about the Tilt2, but I thought it shipped with 6.5 right from the start.
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Yes the ATT version shipped with 6.5, but in the process of getting my Tilt 2 My wife went out and got me an unlocked one that has 6.1 on it still. I use that one for work while the tilt 2 is for building and learning
zelendel said:
Yes the ATT version shipped with 6.5, but in the process of getting my Tilt 2 My wife went out and got me an unlocked one that has 6.1 on it still. I use that one for work while the tilt 2 is for building and learning
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Sweet.
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The Giveaway has ended. Congrats to both zelendel and n8izzle who will each end up with something.
n8izzle pointed out to me in a PM that zelendel was a cook when he didn't have to, I would have missed it, and zelendel thought n8izzle should get part of the prize for his good deed. So the theme will go one way, and music the other. I'm glad the recipients are such good sports. Contest winners aren't normally so generous to their fellow entrants.
Everyone will be able to create apps soon.
Forget the 1 Billion apple apps, Google will get a Gazillion!
http://appinventor.googlelabs.com/about/
I have 6 great ideas (I think) written down ready to go. LOL. Hope I get an email back soon.
I'll give it a try
now we get even more trash in the market.
How to try it??
I don't think the Market can really get any more trashed. At least these apps ought to be well-designed under the hood and won't FC all the time. I'm eager to see what non-devs come up with.
And if this does cause a further flood of "useless" apps into the Market, it'll spur Google to make it easier to filter the Market, I hope.
dont all of you be so quick to judge. I taught myself how to program code..but I still dont know how to program AND make the userinterface. This will be a great tool for me since now I will just have to drag and drop textboxes and butons instead of trying to figure out how to code them into the app. I'm sure I'm not the only one out there like this.
forget making my own app, where can I get that Hellopurr apk!
You have to sign up for the opportunity to get this in the future. You can't just go and download it right now.
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dont all of you be so quick to judge. I taught myself how to program code..but I still dont know how to program AND make the userinterface. This will be a great tool for me since now I will just have to drag and drop textboxes and butons instead of trying to figure out how to code them into the app. I'm sure I'm not the only one out there like this.
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Agreed, its painful to create the layout xml by hand. Eclipse and droid-draw help, but AppInventor looks a lot more advanced.
This looks amazing. I hope that we'll be able to edit the underlying java code... That would make a GREAT starting point for lesser coders like me, wanting to get the ball rolling fast on Android, or even with prototyping UIs.
I'd also like to take a crack at this, while my Java is improving I've got much more background in Visual Basic which this seems pretty similar too. Seems like a great learning tool, although I also worry about 10 million TEST.apk's hitting the market. Hopefully someone will get it soon and it will hit the torrents.
ogdobber said:
forget making my own app, where can I get that Hellopurr apk!
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JoshHart said:
I'd also like to take a crack at this, while my Java is improving I've got much more background in Visual Basic which this seems pretty similar too. Seems like a great learning tool, although I also worry about 10 million TEST.apk's hitting the market. Hopefully someone will get it soon and it will hit the torrents.
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Its a web app. The only downloadable part of this is software that lets your android phone communicate with the browser, and thats already available from the website. You need a beta invite to use the actual "inventor"
Someone already got a mail from them?
IMO should have an "experimental" label on them until x amount of downloads and a minimum X amount of stars on them.
It will increase the total number of android apps yet wont flood the market with more garbage.
P.S 80% of apps are trash or repeats. Doesnt matter what the OS is. You dont have 50-200,000 apps and have most of them be quality.
xManMythLegend said:
IMO should have an "experimental" label on them until x amount of downloads and a minimum X amount of stars on them.
It will increase the total number of android apps yet wont flood the market with more garbage.
P.S 80% of apps are trash or repeats. Doesnt matter what the OS is. You dont have 50-200,000 apps and have most of them be quality.
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Agree, it's not like Iphone has more useful apps than android...
But this app inventor will definitely encourage more dev to come to android, which is what google needs the most now.
Sent from my Nexus One
*crosses fingers*
I'd love to try this out and see what happens!
I really dislike this idea, The market already has enough sub par apps when compared to the Apple Appstore, yes the appstore has its fair share but cmon this will allow EVERYONE to submit an app of their own.
Yea the Market will have a "gazillion" apps, how many of those apps will be Great, not many
slowz3r said:
I really dislike this idea, The market already has enough sub par apps when compared to the Apple Appstore, yes the appstore has its fair share but cmon this will allow EVERYONE to submit an app of their own.
Yea the Market will have a "gazillion" apps, how many of those apps will be Great, not many
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Thats where reviews, stars and comments comes into play
following this thead ... intensely ...
Now what can I do? I'm running CMOD6. I wanna do cool stuff
Over/Underclock, hook up a bluetooth keyboard/mouse, wireless tether, test other roms, etc.
Your running cyanogen mod cm6?
Did you have to flash the old eng bootloader?
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App
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Now what can I do? I'm running CMOD6. I wanna do cool stuff
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read the forum for a week
Life After The Actual Root
I actually know all the stuff you can do but it seems that no one wants to put out specific directions on how to do these things.
I am rooted but I want to know which rom I should flash I somehow had to do the root process all over but it is done now if anyone would be so kind as to help a newbie, I would glady give my first born in return.
I was wondering, I know I saw a video on people doing stuff like changing the colors of certain things on their phone speeding up the FPS, and I even have heard of a way to get every app in the Market for free like when you jail break that fruity IPHONE. I just wanna start learning this stuff and teaching if at all possible.
We have Four EVO's in my house, and my wife says I go first...lol.
shooff37 said:
I even have heard of a way to get every app in the Market for free
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lol
Sent from my blah blah blah blah
shooff37 said:
I even have heard of a way to get every app in the Market for free like when you jail break that fruity IPHONE. I just wanna start learning this stuff and teaching if at all possible.
We have Four EVO's in my house, and my wife says I go first...lol.
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****ing the devs is not smart. If you find a good app, pay for it.
shooff37 said:
I even have heard of a way to get every app in the Market for free like when you jail break that fruity IPHONE.
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How do you sleep at night? Thieves should have there hands cut off.
Ok...I'll bite...what do you want the phone to do? You will get more help if ask specific questions. Most will see this post and move on...nothing is free
I want to do anything, anything at all if you give me a few small things let me try them out. I would like to first know where to get roms from and how to flash them. Also it would be nice to learn how to uncap the FPS, and maybe a different live wallpaper than the plain stuff I see obver and over on the net.
I dont care about paying for anything just would like to have some guidance, I actually paid full price for my Evo as for I wasnt up for a upgrade. But its cool I think its worth every penny.
It prints money.. lol ... ok all smart ass aside, besides tether, themes, roms, and overclocking... it is all up to your imagination.
These guys have a ROM Kitchen to customize your own roms. This is for the Desire which works well.
android dot modaco dot com /content/htc-desire-desire-modaco-com/316565/24-aug-r8-modaco-custom-rom-for-htc-desire-with-online-kitchen-2-2-froyo/
i'll say it again... all the mods/roms/themes are in here with instructions
Heres where you can start:
1) Get set cpu for free on these forums - do a search. If you like it - buy it off the market. Downloads FPS2D and try to get high scores with overclocking.
2) Try different kernals + roms to get best performance/battery life
3) Customize your Evo with themes + different launchers
4) Use the free wireless tether to impress your friends (more of a joke but it comes in handy)
5) Enjoy doing all these things that you can't do on iPhone
Just read through these forums and you will learn more than you will in this thread or asking questions. Read, read, and read until your eyes bleed, and when you find stuff that you like, support the devs, just because there's a huge modding community doesn't mean we are thieves. PAY THE DEVELOPERS IF YOU WANT COOL STUFF.
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werxen said:
Heres where you can start:
1) Get set cpu for free on these forums - do a search. If you like it - buy it off the market. Downloads FPS2D and try to get high scores with overclocking.
2) Try different kernals + roms to get best performance/battery life
3) Customize your Evo with themes + different launchers
4) Use the free wireless tether to impress your friends (more of a joke but it comes in handy)
5) Enjoy doing all these things that you can't do on iPhone
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That's the only thing I see me benefiting from rooting my Evo.
1. Clean: Optimized, nothing at all installed over the basic OS.
2. Clean + Sense: Optimized, Sense, nothing else. Basically Sense apps/widgets that you can't download via Manager would have to be included.
3. Like most ROMS are now. Lots of pre-installed apps.
My opinion:
A ROM should be a CLEAN install of the OS that is optimized, nothing more, nothing less. Everything else should be up to the owner of the phone to decide. Cleaner = better. Apps can easily be downloaded/backed up. No I don't want Twitter/Facebook/SoundHound/Teeter/YouTube/Amazon etc etc etc pre-installed. If I want an App it can EASILY be installed and BACKED UP via Titanium Backup.
Apps are sometimes going to bug and use up CPU so the phone lags (like on the stock ROM). It's stupid that an App I have and NEVER will use is causing my phone to LAG.
Custom/Stock ROMS reminds me of a Windows XP install from HP with all the extra stuff pre-installed that you don't need or want. Less is more IMHO.
I would love to try option 1 and 2.
What would YOU like to see in a ROM? Hopefully this will be a great thread for the ROM makers to make something that most of us want.
I don't mind sense asi prefer paucity pro
But I really want the ideal rom to keep htc navigation app for me is a killer app
Anythng else can go IMO
nandihno said:
I don't mind sense asi prefer paucity pro
But I really want the ideal rom to keep htc navigation app for me is a killer app
Anythng else can go IMO
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Well... this is not as easy as most people think. There are some reasons why most ROM's looks like that:
1. It's not easy job to make a clean ROM. Removing apps is not enough. There are plenty of connections and dependencies between different apps or ROM structures. Only a really advanced developer can make a clean ROM working 100%.
2. Some people like this, some people like that. To meet all requirements, developer should make at least 5 different versions of the ROM to make everyone happy.
3. Most apps you can easily delete by yourself. F.G. in my ROM some stock apps are in userdata (data/app) partition so you even don't need any special program to uninstall it.
4. You people have a lot of wishes but remember, that we all do it for free. If you want developers to work harder (by releasing x numbers of different ROM's) then why not to reward it? There are some people doing everything for free of course. Personally I don't care because I wont be able to create 100% working clean ROM anyway. But just saying. "What do you want in a ROM?" is kind of... I don't know... sounds like "users will write their expectations and some obedient developer will do it". I don't like it.
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Well... *cut***cut*....just saying.
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I agree with you, we should (and DO) appreciate all the work Dev's are doing on providing custom roms (for free).
Having said that: the topic question is what do you want in a ROM...so it can be anything really....
I am more looking what is available and choose from that, rather than thinking / asking, Hey Dev, can you add this or that....
But if I could....I would like my ROM to have the coffee ready when it lets the phone wake me with its alarm out of my ever so short sleep
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Well... this is not as easy as most people think. There are some reasons why most ROM's looks like that:
1. It's not easy job to make a clean ROM. Removing apps is not enough. There are plenty of connections and dependencies between different apps or ROM structures. Only a really advanced developer can make a clean ROM working 100%.
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That's what will separate a great/popular/"the ROM to have" ROM from this-is-what-I-(the creator)-like-in-a-ROM ROM.
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2. Some people like this, some people like that. To meet all requirements, developer should make at least 5 different versions of the ROM to make everyone happy.
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Not really. One clean, one clean with Sense only and one with all kinds of weird apps installed (like current ROMs) will suit pretty much every body.
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3. Most apps you can easily delete by yourself. F.G. in my ROM some stock apps are in userdata (data/app) partition so you even don't need any special program to uninstall it.
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It's easier to backup your Apps and load them in versus removing every-single-app-that-is-pre-installed after EACH update.
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4. You people have a lot of wishes but remember, that we all do it for free. If you want developers to work harder (by releasing x numbers of different ROM's) then why not to reward it? There are some people doing everything for free of course. Personally I don't care because I wont be able to create 100% working clean ROM anyway. But just saying.
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I guess they have to trust that their work will be rewarded and strive to make the most popular ROM out there. Lots of "credz" by having the #1 HD ROM.
Beamen1 said:
That's what will separate a great/popular/"the ROM to have" ROM from this-is-what-I-(the creator)-like-in-a-ROM ROM.
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Sorry, I see no connection with my post
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Not really. One clean, one clean with Sense only and one with all kinds of weird apps installed (like current ROMs) will suit pretty much every body.
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It's your opinion. There will be another opinion saying, that it will be nice to have clean ROM with some extra launcher, full ROM with some extra launcher, semi-clean ROM, ROM with blue icons, ROM with yellow icons etc..
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It's easier to backup your Apps and load them in versus removing every-single-app-that-is-pre-installed after EACH update.
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Sure. It's better when developer is working 24h per day to make ROM for you because you don't want to spend 15 minutes removing what you don't need. It's better to have everything like you want from the very beginning. Well - it's not working like this, sorry.
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I guess they have to trust that their work will be rewarded and strive to make the most popular ROM out there. Lots of "credz" by having the #1 HD ROM.
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Trust? I trust to God, that's all. So tomorrow you go to work and you say to your boss - "We don't need contract anymore. Now I will put my trust on you"
Just to make things clear - I don't care about money. And we are not thinking like you wrote "I will make good ROM and I trust people will donate me for this". We think (well... I think) like "I will make as good ROM as I can and if someone will reward it - cool! But I'm not going to loose my job and private life just for hoping and trusting that someone will reward me".
That's my point of view.
I'd love a clean ROM with htcsense.com working but nothing else from Sense.
I also am of the clean school of thought, I do regularly uninstall apps I don't use from the ROM's I use, and my personal feeling is if it's on the marketplace leave it out (and I am including the Gapps in this).
I realise this isn't everyones preference but then you can never please all of the people, on the other hand we are using the DEV's FREE work so I suppose we have to be happy with whatever they choose
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Sorry, I see no connection with my post
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Ok? Nevermind then.
mike1986. said:
It's your opinion. There will be another opinion saying, that it will be nice to have clean ROM with some extra launcher, full ROM with some extra launcher, semi-clean ROM, ROM with blue icons, ROM with yellow icons etc..
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You can always install extra launchers, kernels etc. A ROM doesn't need to contain everything. A ROM (IMHO) should be the OS, the back bone of the phone, not the whole system. If I want to OC my PC I don't get a "Windows 7 with Radeon 5880 + iCore prossesor already clocked, and here is 5 other programs that I like".
I get a Windows OS, I install my ATI drivers, install the OC things I need for MY setup and install the apps/games I WANT.
mike1986. said:
Sure. It's better when developer is working 24h per day to make ROM for you because you don't want to spend 15 minutes removing what you don't need. It's better to have everything like you want from the very beginning. Well - it's not working like this, sorry.
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This 15min times every new update that is released if you want the newest "OS".
That depends. Every one has different motives. Why would the developers of a ROM do ANY changes based on user feedback (I'm not talking about bugs) if they didn't care for the fact that others are using THEIR ROM?
Would it be worth 200-500-1000?? hours of work if your ROM was loaded on 9/10 DHD phones? To some, yes, to others, no. To some, that would be a very satisfying feeling and worth all the work. They might get some $$ for it as well.
mike1986. said:
Trust? I trust to God, that's all. So tomorrow you go to work and you say to your boss - "We don't need contract anymore. Now I will put my trust on you"
Just to make things clear - I don't care about money. And we are not thinking like you wrote "I will make good ROM and I trust people will donate me for this". We think (well... I think) like "I will make as good ROM as I can and if someone will reward it - cool! But I'm not going to loose my job and private life just for hoping and trusting that someone will reward me".
That's my point of view.
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Look over.
Don't get me wrong. I'm VERY thankful for this forum and everyone that puts time into making ROMs and Kernels, but it would be fun to get feedback from the forums. Maybe (and hopefully) someone will make the "clean" ROM if the feedback here is pointing in that direction.
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Would it be worth 200-500-1000?? hours of work if your ROM was loaded on 9/10 DHD phones? To some, yes, to others, no. To some, that would be a very satisfying feeling and worth all the work. They might get some $$ for it as well.
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This is becoming not really straight to the topic but I can't understand your specific point of view. As long as you don't have wife, job, friends and kids, you can spend all your life doing everything for free. No problem. But getting SOME (so could be lot of, could be nothing as well) $$ for working over "200-500-1000 hours" is ridiculous. I prefer working for free for some charity organization then for thousands rather reach people wanting to have as much as possible for free. Let's see how important for you is to have this clean ROM. How much can you pay? 1$? 5$? 10$? How much you can pay for my "200-500-1000 hours" of work? I'm 99% sure, that you don't want to pay anything. And I'm also 99% sure that you didn't do much in your life for free. So why the hell are you speaking about satisfaction and stuff like this?
You can ask some dev to make a clean ROM. It's all fine. As I said before - we're doing it for hobby etc. Actually my ROM is the ROM that I'm using so it's like I WANT, not like others WANT and anyway it's quite popular now. But definitely you can't expect from others to do some extra work just in the name of satisfaction and fake-popularity (will you recognize "LeeDroid" on the street? will you shake his hand? I don't think so).
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This is becoming not really straight to the topic but I can't understand your specific point of view. As long as you don't have wife, job, friends and kids, you can spend all your life doing everything for free. No problem. But getting SOME (so could be lot of, could be nothing as well) $$ for working over "200-500-1000 hours" is ridiculous. I prefer working for free for some charity organization then for thousands rather reach people wanting to have as much as possible for free. Let's see how important for you is to have this clean ROM. How much can you pay? 1$? 5$? 10$? How much you can pay for my "200-500-1000 hours" of work? I'm 99% sure, that you don't want to pay anything. And I'm also 99% sure that you didn't do much in your life for free. So why the hell are you speaking about satisfaction and stuff like this?
You can ask some dev to make a clean ROM. It's all fine. As I said before - we're doing it for hobby etc. Actually my ROM is the ROM that I'm using so it's like I WANT, not like others WANT and anyway it's quite popular now. But definitely you can't expect from others to do some extra work just in the name of satisfaction and fake-popularity (will you recognize "LeeDroid" on the street? will you shake his hand? I don't think so).
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This is YOUR POINT OF VIEW. Maybe a ROM developer actually WANTS to make a CLEAN install with Sense? Maybe his passion is developing ROMS?
Look at FORUM ADMINS/MODS. They don't get payed ANYTHING for ALL the work they do because they think it's fun. This includes admins/mods on "exotic car boards" that do modding work for free instead of making THOUSANDS of dollars instead. They do it because they enjoy it.
Some people LOVE working on cars, some people HATE working on cars. The people that really LOVE working on cars will do work (very good work I might add) for free/close to nothing because that's what they like to do.
Just because you don't want to spend hours of your life making a CLEAN Rom doesn't mean other Devs don't want to.
You are certain I won't pay? How would you know? You know NOTHING about me.
I'll pay $30 for a CLEAN Rom with Sense - no problem. Now it's in writing.
You really don't see any difference between making a ROM from passion and making a ROM because someone told you to do a specific ROM? So the discussion is pointless.
I mentioned it almost in my every post that yes, it is my point of view.
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I'll pay $30 for a CLEAN Rom with Sense - no problem. Now it's in writing.
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If some dev will make a clean ROM because of passion (we have a lot of great devs here - Paul, Lee, Apache14, kamma, adwinp, robocik etc..) then he will be satisfied with any donations.
But if you want someone to make Clean ROM FOR YOU then you can take this 30$ and... you know what
This is the difference I'm talking all the time.
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You really don't see any difference between making a ROM from passion and making a ROM because someone told you to do a specific ROM? So the discussion is pointless.
I mentioned it almost in my every post that yes, it is my point of view.
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How is it pointless? Because YOU don't like the idea?
Someone told you to make a ROM? Why would anyone make a ROM if they didn't want to (unless that was their job, with an hourly pay)?
Maybe some Devs never though about making a CLEAN ROM with Sense until they saw this thread? Who knows.
Maybe some Dev wants to make the most popular ROM for Desire HD. By the looks of it he/she will have over 90% of all DHD users that are running custom ROMS Satisfying enough for someone to try it? Maybe
Let's wait and find out
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If some dev will make a clean ROM because of passion (we have a lot of great devs here - Paul, Lee, Apache14, kamma, adwinp, robocik etc..) then he will be satisfied with any donations.
But if you want someone to make Clean ROM FOR YOU then you can take this 30$ and... you know what
This is the difference I'm talking all the time.
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I NEVER said for the Devs to MAKE me one. If that was the case I would probably have to spend THOUSANDS of dollars for their time to make a clean ROM.
It's a poll. I would like to know what owners and Devs think. Maybe this is the next "step" to take in ROMS.
Ignoring the very pointless argument going on above...
I voted for Clean. I personally hate the Sense stuff, I'm sat right now seeing what I can remove from the ROM to make it as light as possible.
There is already non-sense clean ROM here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844707
Not clean enough?
mike1986. said:
There is already non-sense clean ROM here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844707
Not clean enough?
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The constant sync issue seems similar to one that occurred during the early days of Sense-less Desire ROMs, that used to cause huge battery drain. Unsure if it does the same here but constant sync is never a good thing, right?
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Ignoring the very pointless argument going on above...
I voted for Clean. I personally hate the Sense stuff, I'm sat right now seeing what I can remove from the ROM to make it as light as possible.
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+1 on this statement, i voted clean + sense because for me WHEN htc sort out the issues with sense.com it will be nice to know i can basically destroy the insides of my phone and make it unuseable to any fugger that might happen to find/steal it, without having a load of different apps made by third party that only do one part of sense.com per app. also the main thing for me wanting a dhd was the dolby mobile and srs functions, not sure if this is a valid point but from what i gather these settings can only be changed when using the stock sense music player that comes with the stock rom... The day Cyanogen was ported i rejoiced thinking yay finally i can completely control my phone only to discover that "computer says no" and i lose all my htc sense syncability as well as losing the function to choose the dolby settings or srs in the music player... That is why leedroid became rom of choice to me for now as it came with very little apps installed i did not want myself and i get all these functions still running the way they should
as for the two people arguing, you both sound like whiney annoying brats the way you are going on.. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION, but i will remind you that EVERYONE ALSO HAS AN ARSEHOLE this does not mean i want to see every bloody arsehole of every bloody person just cos they think it looks pretty.......
A rom with nothing on except sense framework and some basic apps that obviously let the phone function fully is totally DESIREable
meh to anyone that wants to try and bash people for having an idea that someone doesnt agree with
meh to you
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The constant sync issue seems similar to one that occurred during the early days of Sense-less Desire ROMs, that used to cause huge battery drain. Unsure if it does the same here but constant sync is never a good thing, right?
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I've searched PaY87's thread and haven't seen you or Beamen1 asking for new release with fixed issues. There is no ROM that will be perfect from it's first release like you want. Instead of making wishlists why don't you support PaY87 by asking all those questions in his thread and maybe even donating to his work?
Why don't you people make such a discussion on Microsoft forum, huh? "Windows 8 - what would you like to have included in the OS". What is the voting for? You think that CLEAN SENSE ROM will have 80% and in one moment all devs will listen to the majority and make such ROM's? You think that there is no developer thinking about clean sense ROM already? I know at least 2 are working on it.
You want clean sense rom? THEN WAIT UNTIL THERE WILL BE ONE AVAILABLE. We know that there is a need for such ROM's like in every device section. Desire HD is not different in this point.
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I've searched PaY87's thread and haven't seen you or Beamen1 asking for new release with fixed issues. There is no ROM that will be perfect from it's first release like you want. Instead of making wishlists why don't you support PaY87 by asking all those questions in his thread and maybe even donating to his work?
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Like I SAID 3? times before. I'm going out and asking what members WANT from a ROM. The larger majority of the users have said they want a ROM to be an "OS" - as in CLEAN, NO APPS, with HTC Sense. No ROM at the moment is CLOSE to this. Hopefully the Devs like my idea, and do something about it after feedback from several users
I'm putting this idea out here, and wanting people to vote and discuss. You are obviously not doing it as you hate the idea. We know that, now move on.
If you want to discuss this further, please PM me. We have filled this forum with enough OT talk.
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No ROM at the moment is CLOSE to this. Hopefully the Devs like my idea, and do something about it after feedback from several users
I'm putting this idea out here, and wanting people to vote and discuss. You are obviously not doing it as you hate the idea. We know that, now move on.
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WTF are u talking about? Your idea? Clean ROM's are your idea? Are you kidding me?
No, I don't hate the idea. Idea is good and it's known since long time to make clean ROMs. I just hate (no hate - I don't like is a better word) the way you express it.