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Is it just me or does it seem like everyone and their mother are posting Roms in the Evo development subforum?
I'm not going to name names or anything, but there seem to be a few teams that work very hard at distinguishing themselves as great releases only to get overtaken by people launching derivatives that are not much more than wallpaper changes of the very same roms?
Many of us can tell the distinction between the two, but I worry about new folks coming in who have no idea. I'm not going to spread FUD, but installing roms from an untrustworthy source is a great way for real problems to be introduced into the security model of the Android platform.
Does anyone else see this as a concern? Are there any solutions we as a group can come up with? Is this really not a big deal?
Yes you are correct
OMG I changed the color of the call [email protected]!!!!! NEW ROM!!!!!
Instead of theme change.
Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
Now the kernels, I like, keep them going though. But the roms need to stop.
I think people are just making them in a sad attempt to gain free donations for their "efforts" or lack thereof.
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Either go cyanogen (uber premium) or stay rooted stock.
No need for the other bs. They don't do anything.
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so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.
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so let me get this straight. you're automatically dismissing OMJ's work, Baked Snack, Fresh, Damage Control, etc. just to name a few, simply because they are not cyanogen? better at ease son.
secondly, you can't simply lock down the forum for the "legendary" cooks. what happens if a noobie comes in with a simply stellar rom that gives us 12 years of battery life and the ability to teleport but because he's not Cyanogen, he can't release? that seems a little asinine.
i think people need to be responsible for their own phones. research, do a little leg work, talk with some forum members, make an informed decision and go with it.
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Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb
I'm still a relative newb to Android, but I can see how it would be easy to get overloaded with all the ROMs out there. I've bounced back and forth between Fresh, CM6, and rooted stock for a while and I finally got sick of having to set up my phone over and over again (yes, I know about Titanium, but it's not good for certain types of things). Anyway, I finally said f*** it and flashed CM6 again and have left it there. None of them are perfect, but CM6 works the best for me.
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Nice way of twisting what I said. BTW...
Nice upoad speed dude 44mb
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Less twisting then what you think. It's not CM or stay stock. I personally ran CM nightlies and CM6, both times I left them because even with all the fine work he's done there are very large and blatant things I don't think are great about it.
Does that mean it's low end, no, but there are lots of Roms every bit as highend and polished as CM.
Now on the main OP, I agree that we are seeing a flood, but also that there is nothing to do about it in an open community which is pushing people to tweak and express and share. It is what it is, and if they aren't calling out the people who put in the actual time into said Rom and giving them all the praise for the actual work then shame on them.
One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.
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One way to help new users do research, is if there was a chart comparing the more popular roms... o wait there is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
pretty unbiased test that compares several features that most people would look for in a rom.
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Neif, you crack me up whenever I see you pushing your grid. I've been dircting people to the wiki to check it out, but good luck trying to stay on top of all of the new releases. More power to you.
And to bring the thread back on topic - there do seem to be a lot of roms floating around that don't really seem to bring anything new to the table.
People are just posting what works for them. I am glad there are so many ROMs. If you think this is bad, I guess you never had a G1.
This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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This really isnt something I'd be complaining about. Check out SDX forums (Moment support). Theres like one rom still receiving updates. The Hero forum is also losing support. Im more than happy to see people pushing a rom they cooked. It means the kitchens out there are actually getting used for the reason they were made available. Imo thats what open source is all about. If you dont trust it, dont flash it. Its that simple.
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I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
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I do wish there was a subforum in the dev forum for roms. Perhaps a sticky's for the top 10 roms based on votes or downloads or some other type of ranking system.
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I also love that the kitchens are being used - I'm dying to try one myself. I don't think its a trust issue though, I think its that some of these roms don't bring anything unique to the table, other than some theming and the removal of some apps.
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dsixda's kitchen has pretty much everything you need. I installed Ubuntu in Virtual Machine and have started messing around, but unless you know what to and not to change, there isnt alot you can do to make the rom unique. But its worth doing if you're interested in learning about rom development.
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I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.
N00dle said:
I've been looking at cooking my own rom but the thing is I would not only give credit where credit is due but also call it what it is.
I may come up with the perfect setup of base rom, kernal, apps, theme and just want to share with people who maybe like me are looking for that specific setup.
Easier to flash a rom with all that baked in then flashing everything individually. As long as someone credits correctly and doesn't try and say they did it all themselves why does it matter if it's documented properly.
Doesn't make it a worthless rom just makes it a colaboration of great work.
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Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.
First I think we should be happy the evo has a strong community. We may even lose some with the galaxy s phones coming out.
Next a agree many aren't much of a difference, but for those that don't have time to tweak stuff in the kitchen before installing, it is nice to find exactly what you want.
Finally I'm sorry to sound like an elitist, but this is a hackers forum. There shouldn't be such an expectation of things always being safe and working.
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Its not a question of worth, simply a question of signal to noise.
I've run DC, Cal's, Netarchy's, Baked, Fresh, CM, Nightlies, and probably ecen a few others...I still think some sort of metric is required.
I'm gonna try thinking of something.
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I do agree there are a lot out there and it can be tough for people to tell what is what. I don't think it's a bad thing though, device support is good, it means that hopefully things will be running for a long time to come.
I'm sure I will get flamed but here goes anyway. Everyone is jumping on to the MIUI bandwagon, and yes in my opinion it does have a few cool features, but not enough to win me over. Am I the only one on XDA that kind of dislikes this rom? I've tried to like it but I just can't. I like roms that tend to be more stock anyway, I think modded froyo such as enom's rom and cyanogenmod etc. have all of the features and beauty that I need. I see a lot of people saying think iOS and Android together! If I wanted iOS I would own an iPhone and not a N1.
I understand it is all preference and whatnot, but I can't be the only one who hates the MIUI interface. FM Radio cool! Interface not cool! I know I can install other launchers but to me that kind of defeats the whole purpose of running this rom.
I'm not going to mess with it anymore, I just wanted to give it a chance.
Am I the only one who doesn't care for this rom?
Sorry for the rant
It's okay. I dont hate or like it
Haven't tried it. It looks nice and well done but the iOS styling doesn't draw me in
Think I'm gonna try it, but I'm with you flapjaxx
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you're probably the only one who would make a thread about it.
First thread I've seen about MUI. Flashing now
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you're probably the only one who would make a thread about it.
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Probably.. I just don't see what the big deal is about this rom. I posted in the general forum so I am allowed to express an opinion/vent a little about a rom thats getting a lot of attention and I personally don't see what all the hype is about.
By the way you did read and reply to my thread.
Yea you're correct in stating that installing other launchers defeats the purpose. I liked it for about a week but went back cyan...now i'm on micromods hybrid...for me the sense roms got me hyped up. If the Mui wasnt iphone'd up then it would actually be really sweet but that whole iphone thing just ruins the experience and awww of having an android device
I agree with you OP. I dont like it at all. Now the fact they made a new UI is cool, but like OP said, if I wanted iOS, I would have bought an iPhone
haha fair enough.
I am not too big on the iphone icons either. However, I do like the lock screen, speed, and the battery life.
Also it isnt as obvious as in cyan, but it does have .flac support and will stop playing music when you disconnect. However it will not play upon reconnecting.
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haha fair enough.
I am not too big on the iphone icons either. However, I do like the lock screen, speed, and the battery life.
Also it isnt as obvious as in cyan, but it does have .flac support and will stop playing music when you disconnect. However it will not play upon reconnecting.
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The lock screen is slick. It does seem speedy, I can't confirm battery life only because I wasn't able to use it long enough to really wear on a battery. I do appreciate that there are so many choices with custom roms and the dev team that created this rom has obviously worked hard and it shows. That is the beauty of android, so many choices. It is a very pretty rom no doubt, but I just prefer a more stock type interface.
The MIUI ROM looks nice, but I also prefer a stock, simple look. Im happy to see them pushing the envelope though.
the big hype is because MIUI is a complete overhaul, different than what we are used to. Sometimes a change once in awhile is good, and MIUI is a great change I jump from cyan to MIUI. FM radio, lockscreen, and the UI is amazing, I do prefer different style icons but that's about it
It's a very, very optimized ROM. Battery life, speed, the super-neat toggles in the notification tray. You can just install another launcher and still benefit from all of the above plus the great lock screen, FM radio, and excellent phone/SMS/contact apps.
I Agree, with launcher it's really a nice rom !!
I like the resent part who include a task killer.
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I like the UI, but i miss a few features from CM.
CM with the MIUI launcher would be great.
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I'm sure I will get flamed but here goes anyway. Everyone is jumping on to the MIUI bandwagon, and yes in my opinion it does have a few cool features, but not enough to win me over. Am I the only one on XDA that kind of hates this rom? I've tried to like it but I just can't. I like roms that tend to be more stock anyway, I think modded froyo such as enom's rom and cyanogenmod etc. have all of the features and beauty that I need. I see a lot of people saying think iOS and Android together! If I wanted iOS I would own an iPhone and not a N1.
I understand it is all preference and whatnot, but I can't be the only one who hates the MIUI interface. FM Radio cool! Interface not cool! I know I can install other launchers but to me that kind of defeats the whole purpose of running this rom.
I'm not going to mess with it anymore, I just wanted to give it a chance.
Am I the only one who hates this rom?
Sorry for the rant
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And who told you that you have to use it and are not allowed to use anything else???
If you don't like it use something different. Whats the problem?
I don't like pink colored t-shirts so i don't wear them. I don't blame anybody else that wears pink t-shirts. I don't tell anyone that I hate them. I just don't wear them.
Same thing for you, if you don't like MIUI Rom don't use it. Try it, if you don't like it restore nandroid backup and forget about it...
And shut up, keep it for yourself that you don't like it.
g4rb4g3 said:
And who told you that you have to use it and are not allowed to use anything else???
If you don't like it use something different. Whats the problem?
I don't like pink colored t-shirts so i don't wear them. I don't blame anybody else that wears pink t-shirts. I don't tell anyone that I hate them. I just don't wear them.
Same thing for you, if you don't like MIUI Rom don't use it. Try it, if you don't like it restore nandroid backup and forget about it...
And shut up, keep it for yourself that you don't like it.
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Heh. Angry much? I can say whatever I like. That's the beauty of this forum. We can have that freedom. Have a good day buddy!
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typ_ex said:
you're probably the only one who would make a thread about it.
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ROFL! My thoughts exactly.
flappjaxxx said:
I'm sure I will get flamed but here goes anyway. Everyone is jumping on to the MIUI bandwagon, and yes in my opinion it does have a few cool features, but not enough to win me over. Am I the only one on XDA that kind of hates this rom? I've tried to like it but I just can't. I like roms that tend to be more stock anyway, I think modded froyo such as enom's rom and cyanogenmod etc. have all of the features and beauty that I need. I see a lot of people saying think iOS and Android together! If I wanted iOS I would own an iPhone and not a N1.
I understand it is all preference and whatnot, but I can't be the only one who hates the MIUI interface. FM Radio cool! Interface not cool! I know I can install other launchers but to me that kind of defeats the whole purpose of running this rom.
I'm not going to mess with it anymore, I just wanted to give it a chance.
Am I the only one who hates this rom?
Sorry for the rant
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Umm...dont use it then?
Just want to say I tried the port for my Inc, but went back to cm6.
Though I don't feel as if its my flavor of ROM, I do want to say it is very innovative, and probably the first (at least on ROMs for the Inc) of its kind to really truly redesign the interface.
So while I don't use it, I would definitely like to see more transformations of this kind.
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flappjaxxx said:
I'm sure I will get flamed but here goes anyway. Everyone is jumping on to the MIUI bandwagon, and yes in my opinion it does have a few cool features, but not enough to win me over. Am I the only one on XDA that kind of hates this rom? I've tried to like it but I just can't. I like roms that tend to be more stock anyway, I think modded froyo such as enom's rom and cyanogenmod etc. have all of the features and beauty that I need. I see a lot of people saying think iOS and Android together! If I wanted iOS I would own an iPhone and not a N1.
I understand it is all preference and whatnot, but I can't be the only one who hates the MIUI interface. FM Radio cool! Interface not cool! I know I can install other launchers but to me that kind of defeats the whole purpose of running this rom.
I'm not going to mess with it anymore, I just wanted to give it a chance.
Am I the only one who hates this rom?
Sorry for the rant
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Well i guess you have a wrong concept of the MIUI rom. It is not because of the launcher ppl like the rom. But because of the tweaks. till now there are no roms to my knowledge where you could change the lockscreen within the android os. ( i am not talking of 3rd party apps like widget locker....., here it's different. it's the native one being modified. ) we havent been able to change native phone and contact.apk, we were just applying themes. but the MIUI is different. Even when you go to settings in the menu, you'll observe how things get snappier and all bouncy. Not to mention the little menu's in the lockscreen ( now being seen in the sense HD), answer&reject mods when receiving calls... and the FM radio which were unknown and still being documented in the xda community. Basically everything has been modifies here, even the mms.apk.
so i guess it is wrong to make such an assumption based only on the launcher which ressembles the iphone. I have been using the MIUI with launcher pro and I had amazing battery life.
If you do not like a rom , just don't use it. Why dont u make another thread saying that rodriguezstyle is too greenish or micromod's roms are too glassy ( sorry chefs , lol . it was just to make my point). or maybe somebody else should start another thread saying i hate stock looking roms! Of course you can come up with all these talks that xda is a community forum, everybody has the right to bla bla bla , democracy.... and you do have the right but it is all about MANNERS and RESPECT here! You do not critise someone's work ( which you are getting for free btw) just because of ur taste!!
1. Clean: Optimized, nothing at all installed over the basic OS.
2. Clean + Sense: Optimized, Sense, nothing else. Basically Sense apps/widgets that you can't download via Manager would have to be included.
3. Like most ROMS are now. Lots of pre-installed apps.
My opinion:
A ROM should be a CLEAN install of the OS that is optimized, nothing more, nothing less. Everything else should be up to the owner of the phone to decide. Cleaner = better. Apps can easily be downloaded/backed up. No I don't want Twitter/Facebook/SoundHound/Teeter/YouTube/Amazon etc etc etc pre-installed. If I want an App it can EASILY be installed and BACKED UP via Titanium Backup.
Apps are sometimes going to bug and use up CPU so the phone lags (like on the stock ROM). It's stupid that an App I have and NEVER will use is causing my phone to LAG.
Custom/Stock ROMS reminds me of a Windows XP install from HP with all the extra stuff pre-installed that you don't need or want. Less is more IMHO.
I would love to try option 1 and 2.
What would YOU like to see in a ROM? Hopefully this will be a great thread for the ROM makers to make something that most of us want.
I don't mind sense asi prefer paucity pro
But I really want the ideal rom to keep htc navigation app for me is a killer app
Anythng else can go IMO
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I don't mind sense asi prefer paucity pro
But I really want the ideal rom to keep htc navigation app for me is a killer app
Anythng else can go IMO
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Well... this is not as easy as most people think. There are some reasons why most ROM's looks like that:
1. It's not easy job to make a clean ROM. Removing apps is not enough. There are plenty of connections and dependencies between different apps or ROM structures. Only a really advanced developer can make a clean ROM working 100%.
2. Some people like this, some people like that. To meet all requirements, developer should make at least 5 different versions of the ROM to make everyone happy.
3. Most apps you can easily delete by yourself. F.G. in my ROM some stock apps are in userdata (data/app) partition so you even don't need any special program to uninstall it.
4. You people have a lot of wishes but remember, that we all do it for free. If you want developers to work harder (by releasing x numbers of different ROM's) then why not to reward it? There are some people doing everything for free of course. Personally I don't care because I wont be able to create 100% working clean ROM anyway. But just saying. "What do you want in a ROM?" is kind of... I don't know... sounds like "users will write their expectations and some obedient developer will do it". I don't like it.
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Well... *cut***cut*....just saying.
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I agree with you, we should (and DO) appreciate all the work Dev's are doing on providing custom roms (for free).
Having said that: the topic question is what do you want in a ROM...so it can be anything really....
I am more looking what is available and choose from that, rather than thinking / asking, Hey Dev, can you add this or that....
But if I could....I would like my ROM to have the coffee ready when it lets the phone wake me with its alarm out of my ever so short sleep
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Well... this is not as easy as most people think. There are some reasons why most ROM's looks like that:
1. It's not easy job to make a clean ROM. Removing apps is not enough. There are plenty of connections and dependencies between different apps or ROM structures. Only a really advanced developer can make a clean ROM working 100%.
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That's what will separate a great/popular/"the ROM to have" ROM from this-is-what-I-(the creator)-like-in-a-ROM ROM.
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2. Some people like this, some people like that. To meet all requirements, developer should make at least 5 different versions of the ROM to make everyone happy.
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Not really. One clean, one clean with Sense only and one with all kinds of weird apps installed (like current ROMs) will suit pretty much every body.
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3. Most apps you can easily delete by yourself. F.G. in my ROM some stock apps are in userdata (data/app) partition so you even don't need any special program to uninstall it.
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It's easier to backup your Apps and load them in versus removing every-single-app-that-is-pre-installed after EACH update.
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4. You people have a lot of wishes but remember, that we all do it for free. If you want developers to work harder (by releasing x numbers of different ROM's) then why not to reward it? There are some people doing everything for free of course. Personally I don't care because I wont be able to create 100% working clean ROM anyway. But just saying.
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I guess they have to trust that their work will be rewarded and strive to make the most popular ROM out there. Lots of "credz" by having the #1 HD ROM.
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That's what will separate a great/popular/"the ROM to have" ROM from this-is-what-I-(the creator)-like-in-a-ROM ROM.
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Sorry, I see no connection with my post
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Not really. One clean, one clean with Sense only and one with all kinds of weird apps installed (like current ROMs) will suit pretty much every body.
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It's your opinion. There will be another opinion saying, that it will be nice to have clean ROM with some extra launcher, full ROM with some extra launcher, semi-clean ROM, ROM with blue icons, ROM with yellow icons etc..
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It's easier to backup your Apps and load them in versus removing every-single-app-that-is-pre-installed after EACH update.
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Sure. It's better when developer is working 24h per day to make ROM for you because you don't want to spend 15 minutes removing what you don't need. It's better to have everything like you want from the very beginning. Well - it's not working like this, sorry.
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I guess they have to trust that their work will be rewarded and strive to make the most popular ROM out there. Lots of "credz" by having the #1 HD ROM.
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Trust? I trust to God, that's all. So tomorrow you go to work and you say to your boss - "We don't need contract anymore. Now I will put my trust on you"
Just to make things clear - I don't care about money. And we are not thinking like you wrote "I will make good ROM and I trust people will donate me for this". We think (well... I think) like "I will make as good ROM as I can and if someone will reward it - cool! But I'm not going to loose my job and private life just for hoping and trusting that someone will reward me".
That's my point of view.
I'd love a clean ROM with htcsense.com working but nothing else from Sense.
I also am of the clean school of thought, I do regularly uninstall apps I don't use from the ROM's I use, and my personal feeling is if it's on the marketplace leave it out (and I am including the Gapps in this).
I realise this isn't everyones preference but then you can never please all of the people, on the other hand we are using the DEV's FREE work so I suppose we have to be happy with whatever they choose
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Sorry, I see no connection with my post
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Ok? Nevermind then.
mike1986. said:
It's your opinion. There will be another opinion saying, that it will be nice to have clean ROM with some extra launcher, full ROM with some extra launcher, semi-clean ROM, ROM with blue icons, ROM with yellow icons etc..
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You can always install extra launchers, kernels etc. A ROM doesn't need to contain everything. A ROM (IMHO) should be the OS, the back bone of the phone, not the whole system. If I want to OC my PC I don't get a "Windows 7 with Radeon 5880 + iCore prossesor already clocked, and here is 5 other programs that I like".
I get a Windows OS, I install my ATI drivers, install the OC things I need for MY setup and install the apps/games I WANT.
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Sure. It's better when developer is working 24h per day to make ROM for you because you don't want to spend 15 minutes removing what you don't need. It's better to have everything like you want from the very beginning. Well - it's not working like this, sorry.
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This 15min times every new update that is released if you want the newest "OS".
That depends. Every one has different motives. Why would the developers of a ROM do ANY changes based on user feedback (I'm not talking about bugs) if they didn't care for the fact that others are using THEIR ROM?
Would it be worth 200-500-1000?? hours of work if your ROM was loaded on 9/10 DHD phones? To some, yes, to others, no. To some, that would be a very satisfying feeling and worth all the work. They might get some $$ for it as well.
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Trust? I trust to God, that's all. So tomorrow you go to work and you say to your boss - "We don't need contract anymore. Now I will put my trust on you"
Just to make things clear - I don't care about money. And we are not thinking like you wrote "I will make good ROM and I trust people will donate me for this". We think (well... I think) like "I will make as good ROM as I can and if someone will reward it - cool! But I'm not going to loose my job and private life just for hoping and trusting that someone will reward me".
That's my point of view.
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Look over.
Don't get me wrong. I'm VERY thankful for this forum and everyone that puts time into making ROMs and Kernels, but it would be fun to get feedback from the forums. Maybe (and hopefully) someone will make the "clean" ROM if the feedback here is pointing in that direction.
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Would it be worth 200-500-1000?? hours of work if your ROM was loaded on 9/10 DHD phones? To some, yes, to others, no. To some, that would be a very satisfying feeling and worth all the work. They might get some $$ for it as well.
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This is becoming not really straight to the topic but I can't understand your specific point of view. As long as you don't have wife, job, friends and kids, you can spend all your life doing everything for free. No problem. But getting SOME (so could be lot of, could be nothing as well) $$ for working over "200-500-1000 hours" is ridiculous. I prefer working for free for some charity organization then for thousands rather reach people wanting to have as much as possible for free. Let's see how important for you is to have this clean ROM. How much can you pay? 1$? 5$? 10$? How much you can pay for my "200-500-1000 hours" of work? I'm 99% sure, that you don't want to pay anything. And I'm also 99% sure that you didn't do much in your life for free. So why the hell are you speaking about satisfaction and stuff like this?
You can ask some dev to make a clean ROM. It's all fine. As I said before - we're doing it for hobby etc. Actually my ROM is the ROM that I'm using so it's like I WANT, not like others WANT and anyway it's quite popular now. But definitely you can't expect from others to do some extra work just in the name of satisfaction and fake-popularity (will you recognize "LeeDroid" on the street? will you shake his hand? I don't think so).
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This is becoming not really straight to the topic but I can't understand your specific point of view. As long as you don't have wife, job, friends and kids, you can spend all your life doing everything for free. No problem. But getting SOME (so could be lot of, could be nothing as well) $$ for working over "200-500-1000 hours" is ridiculous. I prefer working for free for some charity organization then for thousands rather reach people wanting to have as much as possible for free. Let's see how important for you is to have this clean ROM. How much can you pay? 1$? 5$? 10$? How much you can pay for my "200-500-1000 hours" of work? I'm 99% sure, that you don't want to pay anything. And I'm also 99% sure that you didn't do much in your life for free. So why the hell are you speaking about satisfaction and stuff like this?
You can ask some dev to make a clean ROM. It's all fine. As I said before - we're doing it for hobby etc. Actually my ROM is the ROM that I'm using so it's like I WANT, not like others WANT and anyway it's quite popular now. But definitely you can't expect from others to do some extra work just in the name of satisfaction and fake-popularity (will you recognize "LeeDroid" on the street? will you shake his hand? I don't think so).
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This is YOUR POINT OF VIEW. Maybe a ROM developer actually WANTS to make a CLEAN install with Sense? Maybe his passion is developing ROMS?
Look at FORUM ADMINS/MODS. They don't get payed ANYTHING for ALL the work they do because they think it's fun. This includes admins/mods on "exotic car boards" that do modding work for free instead of making THOUSANDS of dollars instead. They do it because they enjoy it.
Some people LOVE working on cars, some people HATE working on cars. The people that really LOVE working on cars will do work (very good work I might add) for free/close to nothing because that's what they like to do.
Just because you don't want to spend hours of your life making a CLEAN Rom doesn't mean other Devs don't want to.
You are certain I won't pay? How would you know? You know NOTHING about me.
I'll pay $30 for a CLEAN Rom with Sense - no problem. Now it's in writing.
You really don't see any difference between making a ROM from passion and making a ROM because someone told you to do a specific ROM? So the discussion is pointless.
I mentioned it almost in my every post that yes, it is my point of view.
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I'll pay $30 for a CLEAN Rom with Sense - no problem. Now it's in writing.
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If some dev will make a clean ROM because of passion (we have a lot of great devs here - Paul, Lee, Apache14, kamma, adwinp, robocik etc..) then he will be satisfied with any donations.
But if you want someone to make Clean ROM FOR YOU then you can take this 30$ and... you know what
This is the difference I'm talking all the time.
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You really don't see any difference between making a ROM from passion and making a ROM because someone told you to do a specific ROM? So the discussion is pointless.
I mentioned it almost in my every post that yes, it is my point of view.
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How is it pointless? Because YOU don't like the idea?
Someone told you to make a ROM? Why would anyone make a ROM if they didn't want to (unless that was their job, with an hourly pay)?
Maybe some Devs never though about making a CLEAN ROM with Sense until they saw this thread? Who knows.
Maybe some Dev wants to make the most popular ROM for Desire HD. By the looks of it he/she will have over 90% of all DHD users that are running custom ROMS Satisfying enough for someone to try it? Maybe
Let's wait and find out
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If some dev will make a clean ROM because of passion (we have a lot of great devs here - Paul, Lee, Apache14, kamma, adwinp, robocik etc..) then he will be satisfied with any donations.
But if you want someone to make Clean ROM FOR YOU then you can take this 30$ and... you know what
This is the difference I'm talking all the time.
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I NEVER said for the Devs to MAKE me one. If that was the case I would probably have to spend THOUSANDS of dollars for their time to make a clean ROM.
It's a poll. I would like to know what owners and Devs think. Maybe this is the next "step" to take in ROMS.
Ignoring the very pointless argument going on above...
I voted for Clean. I personally hate the Sense stuff, I'm sat right now seeing what I can remove from the ROM to make it as light as possible.
There is already non-sense clean ROM here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844707
Not clean enough?
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There is already non-sense clean ROM here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844707
Not clean enough?
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The constant sync issue seems similar to one that occurred during the early days of Sense-less Desire ROMs, that used to cause huge battery drain. Unsure if it does the same here but constant sync is never a good thing, right?
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Ignoring the very pointless argument going on above...
I voted for Clean. I personally hate the Sense stuff, I'm sat right now seeing what I can remove from the ROM to make it as light as possible.
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+1 on this statement, i voted clean + sense because for me WHEN htc sort out the issues with sense.com it will be nice to know i can basically destroy the insides of my phone and make it unuseable to any fugger that might happen to find/steal it, without having a load of different apps made by third party that only do one part of sense.com per app. also the main thing for me wanting a dhd was the dolby mobile and srs functions, not sure if this is a valid point but from what i gather these settings can only be changed when using the stock sense music player that comes with the stock rom... The day Cyanogen was ported i rejoiced thinking yay finally i can completely control my phone only to discover that "computer says no" and i lose all my htc sense syncability as well as losing the function to choose the dolby settings or srs in the music player... That is why leedroid became rom of choice to me for now as it came with very little apps installed i did not want myself and i get all these functions still running the way they should
as for the two people arguing, you both sound like whiney annoying brats the way you are going on.. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION, but i will remind you that EVERYONE ALSO HAS AN ARSEHOLE this does not mean i want to see every bloody arsehole of every bloody person just cos they think it looks pretty.......
A rom with nothing on except sense framework and some basic apps that obviously let the phone function fully is totally DESIREable
meh to anyone that wants to try and bash people for having an idea that someone doesnt agree with
meh to you
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The constant sync issue seems similar to one that occurred during the early days of Sense-less Desire ROMs, that used to cause huge battery drain. Unsure if it does the same here but constant sync is never a good thing, right?
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I've searched PaY87's thread and haven't seen you or Beamen1 asking for new release with fixed issues. There is no ROM that will be perfect from it's first release like you want. Instead of making wishlists why don't you support PaY87 by asking all those questions in his thread and maybe even donating to his work?
Why don't you people make such a discussion on Microsoft forum, huh? "Windows 8 - what would you like to have included in the OS". What is the voting for? You think that CLEAN SENSE ROM will have 80% and in one moment all devs will listen to the majority and make such ROM's? You think that there is no developer thinking about clean sense ROM already? I know at least 2 are working on it.
You want clean sense rom? THEN WAIT UNTIL THERE WILL BE ONE AVAILABLE. We know that there is a need for such ROM's like in every device section. Desire HD is not different in this point.
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I've searched PaY87's thread and haven't seen you or Beamen1 asking for new release with fixed issues. There is no ROM that will be perfect from it's first release like you want. Instead of making wishlists why don't you support PaY87 by asking all those questions in his thread and maybe even donating to his work?
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Like I SAID 3? times before. I'm going out and asking what members WANT from a ROM. The larger majority of the users have said they want a ROM to be an "OS" - as in CLEAN, NO APPS, with HTC Sense. No ROM at the moment is CLOSE to this. Hopefully the Devs like my idea, and do something about it after feedback from several users
I'm putting this idea out here, and wanting people to vote and discuss. You are obviously not doing it as you hate the idea. We know that, now move on.
If you want to discuss this further, please PM me. We have filled this forum with enough OT talk.
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No ROM at the moment is CLOSE to this. Hopefully the Devs like my idea, and do something about it after feedback from several users
I'm putting this idea out here, and wanting people to vote and discuss. You are obviously not doing it as you hate the idea. We know that, now move on.
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WTF are u talking about? Your idea? Clean ROM's are your idea? Are you kidding me?
No, I don't hate the idea. Idea is good and it's known since long time to make clean ROMs. I just hate (no hate - I don't like is a better word) the way you express it.
So I'm new to android, not new to modding. So if someone can find the patience to set me straight on a few things. Ahem: I would like to keep a simple stock" ish " rom. I would like everything to just work. I would really like it if there was no ads on anything. Overclocked would be nice, but not if it hits the battery bigtime. So, in summary, is there a rom out there that will accomplish this for me failry easy? HTC sense is pretty cool. so that would be a plus. so Rom suggestions, mod suggestions. Very much appreciated. Time with family an gf doesn't leave me much time to my computer an phone tomfoolery.
Firstly Welcome! You have a few choices,there is nfinities stk roms with sense ,LiquidSolstice has stk roms available his are optimized and have alot of the bloat aka sprint crap removed. Look in the hero dev section you will find them,if you can wait i'll shoot you the links .
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So I'm new to android, not new to modding. So if someone can find the patience to set me straight on a few things. Ahem: I would like to keep a simple stock" ish " rom. I would like everything to just work. I would really like it if there was no ads on anything. Overclocked would be nice, but not if it hits the battery bigtime. So, in summary, is there a rom out there that will accomplish this for me failry easy? HTC sense is pretty cool. so that would be a plus. so Rom suggestions, mod suggestions. Very much appreciated. Time with family an gf doesn't leave me much time to my computer an phone tomfoolery.
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Sent From My Pedal-to-Metal Hero
BTW everybody here is very helpful .
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OH, I know. I love this place. Since I was rom'ing out my htc titan, an my girls Hermes. been pokin around here an HOFO. Hofo much much longer. Love the MObile Tech Communities, And I feel this place is the best. maturity goes along way online. Never been shunned or steered away here at xda. Thank you you for the suggestions. got everything to learn about the hero. Just stepped away from Palm Pre " 5th return in 6 months " Neat OS, but horribly executed hardware.
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Firstly Welcome! You have a few choices,there is nfinities stk roms with sense ,LiquidSolstice has stk roms available his are optimized and have alot of the bloat aka sprint crap removed. Look in the hero dev section you will find them,if you can wait i'll shoot you the links .
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I have lots an lots of time. I dont' even know how to put this thing in recovery yet. lol. My girl has a samsung moment which I've flashed over roms an such to. It's a pretty cool device. Starting from scratch again. Winmo6.1..to Nokia 5800" whatever that os was. to WebOS, now onto Android Tips, an reccomendations on what the cool ppl do, let em fly. lol
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I have lots an lots of time. I dont' even know how to put this thing in recovery yet. lol. My girl has a samsung moment which I've flashed over roms an such to. It's a pretty cool device. Starting from scratch again. Winmo6.1..to Nokia 5800" whatever that os was. to WebOS, now onto Android Tips, an reccomendations on what the cool ppl do, let em fly. lol
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It's rooted already? if yes then power+home hold home down ater you push power button
Heres a few tips:
1.Read as much as you can,don't understand ask someone will help you.
2.Most important ask your quest. in the proper thread.
3.ALWAYS MAKE A NANDROID(a copy of the existing rom,settings and apps on your phone at that moment.)
4.When you read a discussion about flashing a new radio, Remember this: NEVER FLASH A RADIO THAT IS FOR A GSM HERO OR OTHER PHONE ONLY A CDMA HERO!
You will end up with a very expensive paper wieght.
5.Try to do as much searching as possible before you post a question(this should keep you from getting flamed! lol!)
Like I said previously the latest sense roms are Nfinite's Stk .7 based on the sprint 2.31.651.7 update you'll find that here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790889
Nfinite's Stk .2 Rom:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849024
Try these 2 the stk .2 is nice thats what I run overclocked.
But try either of them and see how they work for you,need anything just shout !
BTW heres a wiki link with alot of info for you to learn from:http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Hero_CDMA.png
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It's rooted already? if yes then power+home hold home down ater you push power button
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I's just a stock sprint hero, updated to latest sense version. I read I need to roll back to sprint build no. 2.27? I'm currently on build no. 2.32.651.2 The rooting process seems like a long one using command line? The gf's moment was easy cheesy to root. no drop in an flash files for rooting the hero eh ? I"ll take a look at those roms an download. along with htc sync an.....the android sdk I beleive is what I saw.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8544298&postcount=1
Found this, easy root, just a few steps... no downgrading. Safe to do?
:Carpet Diem:
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8544298&postcount=1
Found this, easy root, just a few steps... no downgrading. Safe to do?
:Carpet Diem:
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Give it a go,I used Regaw's to me it seems pretty easy.they're are other ways the one you found is one.
Here is an app that does it,if you want read asout it. From what I read it works on 2.1 roms as well.Heres the link:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833953
Try which is easiest for you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9857985#post9857985
Above is somemore info on the z4root method
The z4root worked like a charm. Thank you very much.
Now..onto recovery, backing up, an picking a rom.
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sin-cal said:
The z4root worked like a charm. Thank you very much.
Now..onto recovery, backing up, an picking a rom.
Carpet Diem
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Great glad it worked,have fun and enjoy!
One last bit. How does one go about getting the adblocking going?
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One last bit. How does one go about getting the adblocking going?
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I really don't know. I don't do anything about them because most of the Devs work or apps are free,so if they get a little back from the ads is ok with me. I think there is an app on the market that will block most ads.
"Living One Day at a Time: My Friend
Carpe Diem
Fdx
So I'm rooted, got a rom on it, OC kernel, got it set up the way I like " thus far " Anyone have any knowledge on a new lockscreen? say...the rotary one? Thank you again flow for the push in the right direction. Used "NFX-Sprint.STOCK.2.32.651.2.ODEX.A2SD: Loving it.
I haven't updated my ROM in a while, mainly because I don't have the time to. I was running Baked Snack 1.9, but now I want to upgrade to Gingerbread.
There are tons of ROMS in the development forum, and I'm not sure which one to pick. I'm not really concerned with how a ROM looks, since I'm going to load LauncherPro on there anyway.
So, here are the requirements that I have:
- Running Gingerbread
- 4G, GPS, both cameras supported
- Good battery life
- HDMI mirroring
- No FPS limit
- Preferably can run CIFS Manager
Is there anything else that I should be looking for??
Thanks in advance!
Shawn
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I haven't updated my ROM in a while, mainly because I don't have the time to. I was running Baked Snack 1.9, but now I want to upgrade to Gingerbread.
There are tons of ROMS in the development forum, and I'm not sure which one to pick. I'm not really concerned with how a ROM looks, since I'm going to load LauncherPro on there anyway.
So, here are the requirements that I have:
- Running Gingerbread
- 4G, GPS, both cameras supported
- Good battery life
- HDMI mirroring
- No FPS limit
- Preferably can run CIFS Manager
Is there anything else that I should be looking for??
Thanks in advance!
Shawn
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one word "CyanogenMod 7" nuff said lol
CM7 doesn't currently have 4G or HDMI though, does it?
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CM7 doesn't currently have 4G or HDMI though, does it?
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yes it does, they are up to rc3 now and the newest nightly is #32 came out today here is da download link... http://mirror.teamdouche.net/?device=supersonic .. happy flashing
thank you!
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thank you!
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no problem follow install instructions here on this page...hdmi mirroring (via a app on the market called hdmwin its free) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729802
FFS people do some research test a few roms and pick the one you like the best
we don't all have the time for that. i could easily spend hours researching and trying them out, which is all time that my phone is half functional, but there are higher priorities on my plate.
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we don't all have the time for that. i could easily spend hours researching and trying them out, which is all time that my phone is half functional, but there are higher priorities on my plate.
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If u don't have time to play with the roms out there why root then cuz u can just use a stock Rom and have everything work plus I think the latest stock find even have unlocked frame rates
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+1 for CM7 RC3
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CM7 doesn't currently have 4G or HDMI though, does it?
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OFFICIALLY CM7 says it supports 4G.
However, my experience with CM7 WiMax has been shoddy at best. If you move from a 4G area to a non-4G area then back, most of the time the 4G breaks and you must reboot your phone to reconnect. Even if you stay in a 4G area, sometimes the 4G simply drops out, and you are stuck with both 4G and 3G icons on the screen, once again having to reboot to restore the 4G. There are some work-arounds, but it's definitely not stable, even in RC3. Don't even get me started on trying to wireless tether via 4G on CM7, even if you are lucky enough to get it to connect, you get about 2-3Mbits down whereas on Sense with Wireless Tether for Root Users you get 5-6 Mbits down.
Very annoying.
Anyway, I've given up on CM until the 4G issues are ironed out. I'm not paying an extra $10 a month for 4G if it's not stable enough to use.
My recommendation is to hop over to a MikFroyo ROM. It's as stable an fast as I've seen with everything working. You can apply themes and mods to get the Gingerbread look you want while you wait with the rest of us for the EVO to get official 2.3 support.
Good luck and hope this helped!
Mohawka said:
If u don't have time to play with the roms out there why root then cuz u can just use a stock Rom and have everything work plus I think the latest stock find even have unlocked frame rates
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there are tons of reasons to root, as you probably know. i would like to use CIFS manager, tether, and use HDMI mirroring.
i was not aware that the stock rom now has unlocked FPS, but this was why i went to a non-stock rom in the first place. but now that i've gone to non-stock, i find that they are faster and have better battery life than stock.
Very tru they are way better with way more options. Idk wat the cifs is. But as far as tether goes there is pda-net for stock. But imho half the fun of rooting is trying all the roms from all the fabulous devs here on xda. It really doesn't take to long to see if a particular Rom is for u. Especially if u have TB. Then if a Rom isn't for u just nand restore to ur old Rom and in my experience its about 20 mins to try it and restore if its not for you. Plus everyone will have their own opinion about a Rom so in order for u to kno which one is for u u gotta try it
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If u don't have time to play with the roms out there why root
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I gotta stick up for the OP here a little bit. He's asking for our help, and that's not a helpful comment to ask him "Why root?"
Not having to pay $30 to tether your EVO to a PC was reason enough for me. Or to overclock. Or to theme it to the max. There are many reasons to root.
This is a community for people who want to make the most of their phones. That is why we root.
Please don't come to XDA and ask "Hurr durr why did you root if you're not gonna blah, blah."
If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, amirite?
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I gotta stick up for the OP here a little bit. He's asking for our help, and that's not a helpful comment to ask him "Why root?"
Not having to pay $30 to tether your EVO to a PC was reason enough for me. Or to overclock. Or to theme it to the max. There are many reasons to root.
This is a community for people who want to make the most of their phones. That is why we root.
Please don't come to XDA and ask "Hurr durr why did you root if you're not gonna blah, blah."
If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, amirite?
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Now I'm not trying to be rude. I see this same q on here all the time and ppl usually give their opinion about the Rom they like. Then proceed to say they need to try them to find the one they like. And op is saying he doesn't have time to do that. It's just odd to me that ppl go and root their phone then ask for others to tell them wat the best Rom is. And that's a subjective term. I agree that paying for tethering and all the other charges are bs but honestly if ur gonna root its cool to ask for ppls opinions about the "best" Rom but if u don't have time to try them y bother. So somebody says so and so Rom is the best then he trys it and hates it so y not just try them urself. Usually the op for the roms will tell u what works and not working
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Now I'm not trying to be rude.
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Fair enough, Mohawka. I was a little slow in my last post, and after I had posted I saw that right above me you had continued to bear with the OP and give him your advice anyway.
Sorry if I jumped the gun in assuming you were rude. As you can see, I've been lurking the forums for a few months, but today is my first time posting. I can understand if you get tired of "What's the best ROM?" threads, because you are right, the "best" ROM doesn't exist, only the best ROM for YOU.
Ya no worries. I lurked for a while too. Now I post rarely trying to help when I can but I'm just a guy loving all the devs great work. And if u want a custom Rom u should c which one u like. Nobody can tell u which Rom will b best for you. Unless u can't think/decide was best for you
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Two roms you must try..
First is miui. It is amazing and I gurantee you will love it. Second is destroyer v2. Its based off of cm7 and excepy for some minor quirks, mosy of which have fixes, its a great rom.
If you dont agree with something why do you guys insist on posting? This isnt your forum and your not the moderators so stop acting righteous.
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If you dont agree with something why do you guys insist on posting? This isnt your forum and your not the moderators so stop acting righteous.
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Maybe becausae on the first page of this particular forum alone are 4, FOUR threads all asking the same question.