I was thinking about purchasing a Nook Color to root it and install CM on it, I was wondering what the current amount of multitouch points is now? Only because there's a game I want to play on it called Yubiosi, and it was originally designed with 8 multitouch points in mind.
So if anyone knows that would be great, thanks.
Nook Color only supports two inputs. There is a difference in hardware between older and newer Nook Colors where the newer ones can support up to 10 inputs but this is not supported yet.
More info: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25535612&postcount=1
Wait... so does that mean that the newer Nooks just have 10 points? Or you have to apply a patch?
It means depending on which screen hardware you have it might be capable of supporting up to 10 points but right now there is no support for it. You will have to develop your own drivers or help others to do so via the link if you can. Currently the Nooks only support two points.
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What are you most looking forward to as far as Honeycomb? What devices (phones or tablets) do you like the best? And how long do you think it will take for someone to port the Honeycomb launcher to current devices? Do you think that Honeycomb will be strictly a tablet OS, or will it be available to all new dual-core devices? Just some questions to throw around. Let me know what you guys think
it will get ported to a mobile os, I'm just not sure how practical some of it will be on that small of a screen.
Ditto. So far it looks a little too tablet specific.
Honeycomb is not just a tablet OS
All android Architecture is built based on screen size, and pixel density.
Currently, they've lumped all devices into three buckets for each of the above categories (with a few modifiers here and there)
It wouldn't be hard for them to add a few more buckets.
Honeycomb on a phone can look drastically different than on a tablet, while still being the same OS. Same as apps. That's how they made it.
That's why it's on Google TV also.
This is my first post, btw. Hope it answers some questions.
It's for all devices READ THIS
So what phones/tablets are you most looking forward to?
So I saw on another site a review where some dev got a color Nook running Android 3.0.
Seemed pretty responsive. Everything seemed to work and I am pretty sure the Nook does not have a multi-touch screen???
So if they were able to get 3.0 on a Nook then our device should be possible. Seems like you need 4 gb space to run 3.0 and since our device has just 4 gb internal storage it should work as long as apps are saved to an external sd card!!
Makes me have hope!!
Rob
The Nook Color has multi-touch.
I obviously did not know that. So it has capacitive multi touch and what is the retail?
Maybe I should return my elocity a7 and get a nook until I can afford to upgrade. 300 is a lot of money for me and a I really can't afford it and I thought this would last and if it was the a7x or a10 I would be very happy but I cant afford the extra hundred. The Heawie S7 is the only other device I was thinking and an Archos 70. I just think the elocity is such a great tab except for the muti touch and the screen looks great so compared to the Archos this has better specs.
I was just hopeful because Ithought the nook was not so sophisticated.
The Nook looks like a nice gadget too, hi res screen as well. What it doesn't have is a dual core Tegra 2, nor does it have HDMI out. It is only $250 though...
Yeah, it is awesome. I created a Honeycomb SD card for my wife's Nook Color. It looks amazing. I can't wait for it on my A7. By the way, the Nook absolutely DOES have a multi-touch screen. I downloaded some NES and Super NES emulators. You can't play them on the Elocity A7 because of the lack of multi-touch, but I was surprised to discover that the Nook Color works great. (almost iPad-like)...almost. Now if they would just come out with a Nvidia Tegra 2-based Nook Color 2 that would be awesome, I would ditch the A7 for sure.
If you check here you can play all the emulators on Elocity A7 perfectly!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=923801
Just need a controller and the Mod found on that link.
They say it plays them great too.
I plan to install this after I buy a controller.
Seems like the nook is one heck of device and a decent price point too.
If there are work arounds for the touch screen then the elocity is worth keeping for sure and this is what I have been hoping but I am no programmer and have to relie on the community to make things work when it should be Elocity doing this research for us.
Now do I take back the a7 and buy a nook color just so I can run honeycomb and play multi touch games or do i keep my speedy a7?
What would you do?
I have a couple weeks to decide. I am leaning on keeping my a7 and just upgrading in a year and watch everyone else running 3.0 while i drool and wish in the mean time.
R
Perhaps this will help you decide. Not sure when this was added but from the FAQ at elocitynow.com:
Q: Can the A7 be upgraded to Honeycomb 3.0?
Due to hardware issues, it is not expected that the operating system of the A7 can be upgraded to Honeycomb.
gingerbread?
Since it seems 3.0 is out of the question what about gingerbread? I would be happy with that. Then at least we would have the most updated system up to 3.0.
The other question is can the touchscreen be upgraded? Could we simply install a touchscreen with multi touch w same dimensions? Then upgrade to hc?
I will have to try the nook out and see. I really can't fork out another hundred for a newer device.
Kind of upset now. Still i have to remind myself that this unit does everything I want right now and it is probsbly wiser to save my money and wait for better devices in a year and hope yhe community willhelp when elocity wouldn't.
I think Elociy should do something for those thier first device. I have a feeling right now they are focusing on new products and leaving us behind. Does not make me a happy customer.
You can play alot of the Emulator games with a Xbox 360 Controller. I find that alot better then having to hold the tablet while i play. Just throwin that out there.
I do not have an xbox but would like to know more about what you are talking about. Is it a controller to play android games or is it xbox games played on the a7?
Could you tell me more, I am very interested in this. Thnks robert
Its an Xbox controller to play Emulators on EloA7.
I had previously written about Missing feature: 802.11n
And it's been written multiple times that the e-compass is broken in mango.
But I think there might be yet another missing feature: I think the VP supports more then the 4 touch points it currently has.
Background:
The V and the VP are known to be (mostly) hardware identical.
The V and the S7 both use an Atmel mxT224, which supports 10(?) touch points
The V and the S7 only currently support 2 touch points, as they badly mangled the drivers and broke 3+ point support
The VP supports 4 touch points
The VP has an Atmel controller (but I cannot confirm it's a mxT224)
If it really does have a mxT224, it could potentially support up to 10 points in hardware(?).
Microsoft requires 4 points minimum to be WP7 compatable, and that's exactly what we have.
I would assume they would allow more then 4 if the HW supports it, but ours does at the hardware(?) level but not at the software(?) level.
I'd say the next avenue of investigation into this would be finding out if other Windows Phones support greater than four touch points, or if the minimum spec of four touch points has become the de factor standard, since it's the lowest common denominator app developers can expect. You could investigate this further on the Samsung Focus and the HTC HD2 development forums, where most Windows Phone development has taken place. In the case of the Samsung Focus, you'd have plenty of first-generation Galaxy S Android phones to compare it to (vibrant,fascinate,captivate,etc) and in the case of the HTC HD2, you'd actually have Windows Phone and Android running on the same hardware.
I'm in the market for an eInk device to be used exclusively for non-ebook purposes. I need something with the battery life of an ereader as opposed to that of an LCD based tablet. My application does not require the flashy color, or the fast redraw of an LCD, it's simply going to be an interface for a control system of sorts. The UI will not require scrolling but be primarily page based, and no high frame rate video. The most advanced thing that might be displayed is the occasional slow update grayscale "video" (maybe a frame or two a second at the most but even that's not terribly likely). Touch is required and a lit screen would be a big plus (hence the list of devices I mentioned). I also require wifi connectivity, cellular is not important and would never be used.
I do like the idea of using a device that runs Android as it would give me a greater number of options for development. While I may stick with HTML5 and JS I also like the possibility of writing a true Android application. I'm not interested in Android Play or any of the other Gapps, though I suppose I could sideload them if I feel the need. I will most likely be running a very simple custom launcher so that the device operates more like a purpose built embedded platform rather than a general purpose Android tablet.
My question is what device would the experts here at XDA recommend I use? The Kindle has the benefit of the 800 pound gorilla that is Amazon but it doesn't run Android natively. Nook has the benefit of a decent sized company behind it, the fact that it runs Android, the downside is I'm not entirely clear on how long B&N will stand behind their eInk devices. Kobo is the little guy in the corner, I know next to nothing about the company, the build quality of the device, or the future of the eInk devices, but like the Nook it appears to run some version of Android.
In truth, it's not really all that important that the device I choose be offered forever. This is a personal project, nothing that's going to market. What's more important is hackability, Android, and at least the possibility for newer custom Android ROMs to be installed.
Thank you for your help.
--adam
P.S. If this is the incorrect forum for this I apologize.
I think a Nook and a native Android app will be fine for control purposes.
I'd avoid the whole HTML5 stuff.
It's easier to get lean, mean, responsive if you stay away from browsers.
There is already enough interchangeability among Android devices.
E-Ink options
True grayscale video of any quality would be a stretch as you'd likely be dealing with refresh flashing between frames at even 1fps. Every hack I've seen for improving refresh behavior involves switching to 1-bit color depth. Some solutions preserve the appearance of grayscale through halftoning like a newspaper photo at the expense of image resolution.
One thing's for certain about the Nook Touch series, you'll never get anything newer than android 2.1 on it. A number of closed binary drivers need to be replaced for truly custom firmwares and you'd be limited on RAM anyhow. You will not be able to expect B&N to stand behind the product line in the future. Note that the most recent 4gb NSTglowlight lacks an SD slot and is thus more difficult to root. That said, I'm very pleased with my Glowlight as a bare-bones Android device.
The Kobo Aura HD tablet would at least get you Android 2.3 and is rootable. I'm not certain how strong its developer community might be. One advantage over the Nook seems to be more even distribution of light across the display surface but I can't confirm from hands-on experience.
If you're comfortable with Linux, you might want to consider the Onyx Boox. There's at least a few scraps of information on the manufacturer's site about developing custom Qt apps for the Boox platform. Onyx has announced new tablets using Android but they don't seem to be available in the wild yet.
PocketBook out of Europe supposedly makes all sorts of e-ink Linux tablets, little, big, and waterproof; I'll be damned if I could tell you how to buy them though. Any evidence of purchasable shipped product I can find in English regards old models and dates from a couple of years ago.
Personally, I'm hoping the Earl GPS/walkie talkie Android tablet makes it out of vaporware.
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Note that the most recent 4gb NSTglowlight lacks an SD slot and is thus more difficult to root.
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Not so. Now that the development on USB booting has been done, it's trivial.
See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=51742352&postcount=373
Renate NST said:
Not so. Now that the development on USB booting has been done, it's trivial.
See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=51742352&postcount=373
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I stand corrected!
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I stand corrected!
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Consider the Onyx Boox T68. Similar specs to Kobo Aura HD, and it runs Android 4.04. A bit more expensive, but maybe what you're looking for.
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I echo the t68 comment. I got mine from Amazon a few weeks ago and it even shipped with prime shipping and was only $200. Totally worth it as an EReader. IDK of it would work for your purposes. But it comes with the play store and I haven't had any issues with it installing any app I've thrown at it.
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I just got back from B&N and the employees have a spec sheet for the NEW Nook Glow Light 4 (yes they are calling it NGL4). I got a peak at the spec sheet and it's a 6" model but no release date yet. Anyone have any information on the new Nook? Also noticed the current 6" Nook Glow Light Plus was out of stock. I was thinking about getting a 7" Kobo Libra 2, might have to wait...
Did you see if they are using the same old tired processor that they've been using, the iMX6SL?
Any mention of what Android version?
You might want to take a look at the Onyx Poke 3 if you are in the market for a 6".
They also have 7", 7.8", 10.3", 13.3"
https://www.boox.com/
The spec sheet had basic info. Nothing on the hardware. More of an educational info for employees.
Stopped by B&N today to see if the new Nook Glowlight 4 has been released or a release date. No, according to the B&N employees the release date has been pushed back to mid December. I asked if I can take a pic of the spec sheet but no. Additional info from their employee only info (basic spec):
Screen size: 6", 300ppi
Weight: 6oz
Storage: 32g
Battery: will read multiple weeks on single charge.
Buttons: on bezel
CPU: No info on employee spec sheet
Cores: No info on employee spec sheet
B&N just made it official: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/nook-glowlight-4-barnes-noble/1140326110?ean=9780594149293
It's available December 8th for $150.
Wow, I remember when a new Nook model would have people falling over each other to comment. I guess B&N has faded into insignificance. Maybe they concentrated too much on selling ebooks and didn't make a viable device? It remains Kindle for the walled community, Kobo for Linux-based and Onyx for Android. Although there are tons of other brands too.
If that Gentoo keyword you scrapped hunting around for information is any kind of indication it seems that Nook might be on course of shifting toward Linux like Kobo, Pocketbook etc already are. It might be that B&N is trying to copy more closely Kindle approach toward these kind of devices because it also is Linux albeit much more heavily modified and walled off. Good thing is that Gentoo is stable binary compiled distro as far as I remember that should be stable albeit maximum user unfriendly but I presume that it will work reliably on default settings or as designed and with minimal amount of storage/memory space required. Question is did they put an Android layer on top of it?
No, it's all Android. I think "Gentoo" is just their idea of "Generation Two" as in the first series out of Netronix to not use the NXP iMX6SL.
I've already run the reader out of the new Nook on my cell phone. It's all Android.
"Barnes & Noble chief James Daunt said the company planned to "reinvigorate" the Nook line in the months and years ahead — this may just be one of the opening salvos."- Engadget
Will be curious to see what they mean by that...
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Wow, I remember when a new Nook model would have people falling over each other to comment.
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LOL. It seems like a very nice reader. I note simplicity (no Bluetooth, etc.). And, with Oreo, difficult to root, which means difficult to add anything. But probably a very nice reader.
If I remember well enough Oreo is first version of Android that tried to implement some reasonable resources management like memory usage etc. So that is a good thing. Bad is all versions above 4 start to introduce more and more quirky stuff going further away from initial AOSP. So there is no wonder that projects like LineageOS spawn of as result of that practice. It might be harder to root/hack yet since it is older version of Android who knows. Unlike before they abstain from going with some radical new hardware/software stuff implemented. Device characteristics are textbook example of middle road and targeting most ubiquitous hardware characteristics on the market or in other words best selling models. If it is so then only trump card that they could have under the sleeve is better software. We'll see...
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I note simplicity (no Bluetooth, etc.).
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Yeah, I'm scratching my head over this. It's hard to be sure about the hardware specifications when you're only looking at the system software. It looks like this has the same RTL8723DS as found in the Glow 7.8. That does 2.4 GHz (only) WiFi and Bluetooth.
In any case, B&N really fell down on promoting this. Why didn't they put "Coming soon" before Black Friday?
So like a NST which theoretically could but in reality does not have bluetooth? I totally missed that one. Oh and there were hints before that they will put another e-ink reader on the market but it was mixed with half-truths and disinformation. It was stated they will partner with Lenovo for e-ink reader and in the end it turned out that they did partnered with Lenovo but for tablet format.
My very first E-Ink device was a Nook Simple Touch. I'm one of those who jumped right in to comment whenever B&N had a new device on offer! I love my Onyx Boox Note Air 2, but I am curious about this new GL 4. Nostalgia, maybe? I wonder if it will be as easy to root as earlier GL devices?
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I love my Onyx Boox Note Air 2, but I am curious about this new GL 4. Nostalgia, maybe? I wonder if it will be as easy to root as earlier GL devices?
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Yeah, the Onyx are pretty nice, aren't they? I'm loving my Poke3.
I already have a root exploit for the new Glow. I may even buy one to see how it works. I'm crazy about the yellow "Daffodil" cover. I don't know whether it will fit my Poke3.
I have nothing smart to say. Just thanks to Renate for making my day. Having root exploit for device that is yet to hit the market is awesome. It made me chuckle so hard that my glasses almost fell off my head.
I ordered one Monday night. It's already shipped. It should be here by Friday.
I ordered one yesterday as well. B&N estimates that mine will arrive on Thursday.
My GL4 arrived not long ago. It looks similar to the GL 3 of a few years ago. There does not appear to be a way to turn on Developer Settings as there was with the GL 3, which could make rooting the device more challenging. It has page turn buttons - nirvana for some people. It downloaded an update as soon as I turned it on! It's light and easy to hold. Warm/cold light is easily adjustable. Good impressions so far.
Edit: When I connect the GL4 to my Mac, it shows up as a Nook drive (no surprise there) but only 5.36GB. This device has 32GB of internal storage. Looks like B&N may have partitioned the free space once again. Yes, that's still a decent amount of space, but why not have access to all the free space on the device? (Probably in an attempt to guard against rooting...)
Oops, I did it again.