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Apple may have had its big day or two to take in the spotlight and make the competition look bad with its fancy new iPhone 4 and iOS 4.0, but Motorola isn’t going to sit there and just take it. Sanjay Jha & Friends are bringing everything they have to the smartphone party and calling all bets by publicly stating the company’s intent to launch an Android device with a 2 GHz processor by the end of this year.
That’s right, Motorola is planning a new device that is twice as fast as the iPhone 4 and faster than most capable netbooks (running 1.6 GHz or slower processors, that is). It’s clear to see what HelloMoto’s vision is for the upcoming years in the mobile industry, and the company intends to be on the front lines of this onslaught of superphones.This statement came out of Jha’s mouth yesterday at the Executives Club in Chicago and discussed his vision of the future having a focus on highly-capable smartphones that take the place of, and be mostly responsible for the demise of, mobile computing devices such as notebooks and netbooks (would this include the iPad though?). Which naturally led him into sharing this golden nugget of information.
But here’s another kicker. Another anonymous Motorola executive told Conceivably Tech that this new powerful device will essentially include everything that is “technologically possible” in any smartphone today. It will include a gyroscope and a powerful new Nvidia Tegra-based graphics processor complete with full Flash 10.1 hardware acceleration. Oh yeah, this exec also talked about 720p HD video output, HD screen resolution, and camera with more than 5 MP. This has me drooling already.
So what does this mean for you, consumer who is on the fence about iPhone 4? Could this be enough to sway you in either direction?
If Motorola truly comes out with this superphone, it quite possibly could show up as a new Droid (or similar branding) for the holidays. It would make sense, though it’s too early to predict whether or not it will be exclusively on Verizon. No matter what, news like this is what makes me so excited for the future. We have a lot of great things coming, and we’re just barely scratching the surface of what’s actually possible in the future.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: Unless it has a mini-nuclear battery plant it in, it's going to last about 2 hours 39 minuets and 3.5 seconds.
There comes a point when you don't need anymore power in a phone, because as it is, we're nearing the point of them being able to run Windows 7 Starter!
Actually, lets just carry iPads around and talk on them.
Hrshycro said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: Unless it has a mini-nuclear battery plant it in, it's going to last about 2 hours 39 minuets and 3.5 seconds.
There comes a point when you don't need anymore power in a phone, because as it is, we're nearing the point of them being able to run Windows 7 Starter!
Actually, lets just carry iPads around and talk on them.
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haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
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haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
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Snapdragon is faster than a lot of outdated desktop CPU's.
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Snapdragon is faster than a lot of outdated desktop CPU's.
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Yeah, my EVO is faster than my first dell desktop was (it's still running perfectly for my Grandma), my EVO also has double the ram.
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haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
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Here's the linky
It's just a chopped down Win 7 for netbooks, I wouldn't be to surprised if they couldn't get it running on a smart phone, however, the architecture of the CPU is wrong.
Didn't att have a 6 inch phone running Win XP last year?
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Apple may have had its big day or two to take in the spotlight and make the competition look bad with its fancy new iPhone 4 and iOS 4.0, but Motorola isn’t going to sit there and just take it. Sanjay Jha & Friends are bringing everything they have to the smartphone party and calling all bets by publicly stating the company’s intent to launch an Android device with a 2 GHz processor by the end of this year.
That’s right, Motorola is planning a new device that is twice as fast as the iPhone 4 and faster than most capable netbooks (running 1.6 GHz or slower processors, that is). It’s clear to see what HelloMoto’s vision is for the upcoming years in the mobile industry, and the company intends to be on the front lines of this onslaught of superphones.This statement came out of Jha’s mouth yesterday at the Executives Club in Chicago and discussed his vision of the future having a focus on highly-capable smartphones that take the place of, and be mostly responsible for the demise of, mobile computing devices such as notebooks and netbooks (would this include the iPad though?). Which naturally led him into sharing this golden nugget of information.
But here’s another kicker. Another anonymous Motorola executive told Conceivably Tech that this new powerful device will essentially include everything that is “technologically possible” in any smartphone today. It will include a gyroscope and a powerful new Nvidia Tegra-based graphics processor complete with full Flash 10.1 hardware acceleration. Oh yeah, this exec also talked about 720p HD video output, HD screen resolution, and camera with more than 5 MP. This has me drooling already.
So what does this mean for you, consumer who is on the fence about iPhone 4? Could this be enough to sway you in either direction?
If Motorola truly comes out with this superphone, it quite possibly could show up as a new Droid (or similar branding) for the holidays. It would make sense, though it’s too early to predict whether or not it will be exclusively on Verizon. No matter what, news like this is what makes me so excited for the future. We have a lot of great things coming, and we’re just barely scratching the surface of what’s actually possible in the future.
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Jesus christ!!! I wonder what's going to be available when its time to upgrade ?
So when exactly did they launch a 2GHZ cell chip? Are we sure they didn't mean 1.2 as in qsd dualcore?
EtherealRemnant said:
So when exactly did they launch a 2GHZ cell chip? Are we sure they didn't mean 1.2 as in qsd dualcore?
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Ummm....what? Did you read it? Future releases don't have to have anything out in the wild yet, planning stages are planning stages.
After reading the leaked FroYo response and hearing about all the C&D letters Moto legal dept has been spewing out. I'm not sure I would buy any Motorola device unless they lightened up a bit.
I guess I am too much of a newbie to post links so see this engadget article for more on my point...
engadget.com/2010/08/30/motorola-says-leaked-droid-x-android-2-2-build-wont-be-updated/
Stoichiometric said:
After reading the leaked FroYo response and hearing about all the C&D letters Moto legal dept has been spewing out. I'm not sure I would buy any Motorola device unless they lightened up a bit.
I guess I am too much of a newbie to post links so see this engadget article for more on my point...
engadget.com/2010/08/30/motorola-says-leaked-droid-x-android-2-2-build-wont-be-updated/
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I'm with you dude. if Motorola is going to keep building kill-chips into their handsets, i don't want it.
Considering we're 4 months away from the end of the year and 3 months from the start of the Christmas shopping season, I would think that anything like this would have to be about to start production. I've only heard rumors of dual core and 2 GHz processors, nothing to my knowledge has become available yet. I've heard a lot of news about random tablets and stuff using the Tegra but this is the first I've heard about a Motorola phone. I don't doubt they'll make one but my suspicion is that it won't be available till around Q2 of 2011. Anything like this should be well beyond the planning stage by now if it were going to be released by the end of this year.
aush30 ,
I do have to agree with you that i dont think we will see the phone this year but i am planning on a 2ghz phone being released early in '11
As far as motorola lighting up im not soo concerned with this fact, For the sole reason that if they launch this phone ATT, SPRINT, TMobile will all have to release 2GHZ phones or push theyre research departments. Its an ARMS race with phones..
dave
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aush30 ,
I do have to agree with you that i dont think we will see the phone this year but i am planning on a 2ghz phone being released early in '11
As far as motorola lighting up im not soo concerned with this fact, For the sole reason that if they launch this phone ATT, SPRINT, TMobile will all have to release 2GHZ phones or push theyre research departments. Its an ARMS race with phones..
dave
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The reason I say Q2 at the earliest is because of the electronics conventions at the beginning of the year. They'll probably show something off in January-February but it won't become available until at least a couple months later. I could be completely wrong but that seems to be the trend.
We will see when in 2011
yeah, unless there is a major breakthrough in batteries I just don't see this being a good thing
Me thinks it's a tab, not a phone.
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And what android app would take full advantage of 2ghz of processing power???
I'll bet it will make a dandy hand warmer also.
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Yeah, my EVO is faster than my first dell desktop was (it's still running perfectly for my Grandma), my EVO also has double the ram.
Here's the linky
It's just a chopped down Win 7 for netbooks, I wouldn't be to surprised if they couldn't get it running on a smart phone, however, the architecture of the CPU is wrong.
Didn't att have a 6 inch phone running Win XP last year?
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I saw pocketnow showing Windows 95 running on a nexus one.
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I'm for more power if the batteries can handle it and provide good battery life.. 1ghz is definitely enough for what we have, but never know what the future is going to bring on.
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Do you guys think it would be priced competively with the ipads, and various android devices? Maybe somewhere around 500-550$?
Fasty12 said:
Do you guys think it would be priced competively with the ipads, and various android devices? Maybe somewhere around 500-550$?
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I have no idea.
I think its critical that Windows 8 RT is competitive otherwise its a little bit pointless. As you climb above that price point you start to get in to x86 price ranges at which point (battery life aside) x86 would kick its arse.
Android stuff will be cheaper, theres no getting around that, Google makes its money from you in other ways. So I really have no idea, sorry
I would say if they price them the way Slates are priced they will wont sell anything! If they undercut Apple by $50 bucks it will sell , if they want to compete with Android they will have to cut and $100 off the list price! But the way the OS is looking it will be an easy sell since XBOX,Windows Phone, media center are all integrated into it , No body else has that kind of integration ! They need to keep the price low , it should be any big deal , lets face it it costs about 10 dollars to make an iphone , 15 for the ipad and they pay there workers about that per day to make the device , Im pretty sure GREED works well in this industry , appl has enough where they could drop the price and not lose a nickel , but why would they?
Microsoft needs to do that as well ,I mean after all Bill invented greed in the tech industry!
$300 Windows 8 tablet
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Do you guys think it would be priced competively with the ipads, and various android devices? Maybe somewhere around 500-550$?
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Of course, the prices will go up, according to the specs of each device, so while you may be able to buy a $300 Windows 8 tablet
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Xbox Capabilities
I think the tablets should be priced at about $300-$400 because I can buy a cheap laptop for that and it would have a keyboard unlike most tablets.
I had a thought (others may have already said this) but Microsoft should add capabilities to be able to play xbox/xbox360 games and more gamers would buy a tablet to game on the road.
Windows 8 tab price
I am guessing you will get what you pay for. Windows tablets using arm architecture will more than likely cost the least, being competitive with the current line of Android and Apple offerings. Buyers will be limited to metro apps and select 1st party Microsoft applications; however, the price in general SHOULD be lower than a Win8 tablet running on Intel architecture. Tablets running win8 on a normal x86-64 processor will be the wild card. Slap some low end components in a generic plastic case with a touch screen and it will more than likely cost less than the highest end Windows on arm tablet. I am sure Origin PC will have a $5,000 USD Windows 8 gaming tablet that has two full sized graphics cards in SLI/crossfire configuration and overclocked components available at some point (might actually become a reality if you have seen the Razer gaming tablet). So my predictions after all this ranting?
Win8 on ARM tablets: $250-$600+
Win8 on Intel tablets: $400-more money you would ever want to spend on anything.
whatever it is, it would be ofcourse out of my range.
Skully1983 said:
I am guessing you will get what you pay for. Windows tablets using arm architecture will more than likely cost the least, being competitive with the current line of Android and Apple offerings. Buyers will be limited to metro apps and select 1st party Microsoft applications; however, the price in general SHOULD be lower than a Win8 tablet running on Intel architecture. Tablets running win8 on a normal x86-64 processor will be the wild card. Slap some low end components in a generic plastic case with a touch screen and it will more than likely cost less than the highest end Windows on arm tablet. I am sure Origin PC will have a $5,000 USD Windows 8 gaming tablet that has two full sized graphics cards in SLI/crossfire configuration and overclocked components available at some point (might actually become a reality if you have seen the Razer gaming tablet). So my predictions after all this ranting?
Win8 on ARM tablets: $250-$600+
Win8 on Intel tablets: $400-more money you would ever want to spend on anything.
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I believe you're spot-on. Entry level devices will *absolutely* be competitive with iPad and Android tablets, but there will be numerous SKU's that add capabilities for different consumers.
And that's a GOOD thing. Apple likes to say "**** you, take what we give you," but Microsoft and other vendors understand that the truth of the world is, there are LOTS of different kinds of consumers with MANY different kinds of needs, and the smart money puts an appropriate product within reach of every customer. That's one of the reasons Windows itself has 90% worldwide OS marketshare, and Apple has 4%.
I heard for Mobile version of win8/ARM if any. Should be half the cost of the full fledge win8 versions on the tablets. So currently win7 tablets are $1000+, I would say $500 or so..
I am hoping the price range will be 400$-600$, because i really want one of those Windows 8 tablets.
Ann information week article says 32 different versions ranging from $300 to $1000...can't really see an arm tablet going for a grand...
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seulment said:
Ann information week article says 32 different versions ranging from $300 to $1000...can't really see an arm tablet going for a grand...
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there is some pretty good S4 kit and not to mention NVidia's offerings out there, its possible it could go that high, but at that price id sooner get myself an x86
I think ARM tablets are going to go anywhere between 400 to 700 and x86 are going to be 700 to 1500.
You have to remember that W8 tablets not are hardware like neetbooks, those will be around 700 dollars no less at least prom the most famous manufacturers
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Another detail are the W8 ARM devices, these will be around the 400 dollars im pretty sure
How about just running it in a virtual machine on an ipad ? Or natively ?
The price point will have to be considerably less than an ipad to even be considered by folks.
As it is now, a tablet means an ipad to the population. For that matter, "tablet" may confuse people more, as ipad is what is recognized more widely and immediately.
Get you a Iconia W7 tablet for $300, and install W8 on it.
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Really don't see why they would be any more expensive than they are now. Its just a different operating system.....
vetvito said:
Get you a Iconia W7 tablet for $300, and install W8 on it.
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apparently MS has made some big gains in touch screen tech to go along with W8, whilst older tech will likely work if there are drivers, this new tech should make some of the issue disappear
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/03/28/touch-hardware-and-windows-8.aspx
not quite related to Win 8 but also worth a look
http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/microsoft-demos-a-high-performance-1ms-touchscreen-2012039/
I wouldn't buy WinRT, give me full Windows or give me nothing.
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probably between 200-1000$ depending on hardware performance
How is the Surface tablet supposed to be popular and give the iPad a run for its money if places to buy it are limited?
You can buy an iPad online, Apple stores and select retail stores.
Mircrosoft have a handful of Microsoft stores in the US ONLY. Is the only option to buy online direct from a Microsoft store?
Mircrosoft seriously needs to make the Surface table easy to purchase from a wide number of sources if it has any chance to great sales figures.
I for one can't wait. Upgrading to Windows 8 on my desktop, purchasing a top Windows 8 handset and a 16gb Surface RT tablet. This combined with Skydrive makes an awesome integrated OS - just like Apple with the iPhone, Mac OS, iPad and iCloud.
tboy2000 said:
How is the Surface tablet supposed to be popular and give the iPad a run for its money if places to buy it are limited?
You can buy an iPad online, Apple stores and select retail stores.
Mircrosoft have a handful of Microsoft stores in the US ONLY. Is the only option to buy online direct from a Microsoft store?
Mircrosoft seriously needs to make the Surface table easy to purchase from a wide number of sources if it has any chance to great sales figures.
I for one can't wait. Upgrading to Windows 8 on my desktop, purchasing a top Windows 8 handset and a 16gb Surface RT tablet. This combined with Skydrive makes an awesome integrated OS - just like Apple with the iPhone, Mac OS, iPad and iCloud.
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Take a chill-pill and wait for an announcement of Microsoft...?
Donny1987 said:
Take a chill-pill and wait for an announcement of Microsoft...?
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Which chill pill do you recommend?
Yeah, calm down man. You wrote this as if you already know that Surface will be difficult to find. Just wait till you actually hear something about where it will be available. Here's betting that-just like Apple-it will be available in MS stores, online, and at retailers like Best Buy. So relax.
Ok I will calm down I am sure I heard in the Keynote that you could only buy it through Microsoft. The thing is there are no physical Microsoft stores in Europe and that needs to be fixed.
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Ok I will calm down I am sure I heard in the Keynote that you could only buy it through Microsoft. The thing is there are no physical Microsoft stores in Europe and that needs to be fixed.
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i think it will be available in every store as are other tabs, laptops etc.
it might not beat ipad sales but will surely give a run for its money...
this is the only tab that i think has the power to take down ipad eventually....
If you truly can't wait, I then get a Samsung Series 7 Slate and load Windows 8. It's pretty close to a Surface, which is also made by Samsung.
It's pretty slick.
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How is the Surface tablet supposed to be popular and give the iPad a run for its money if places to buy it are limited?
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Considering the surface is the equivallent of an ultrabook in tablet form.... It's safe to say that it is beyond comparison to an ipad, unless said iPad was running OSX and the same Intel hardware as a MacBook.
Next time try not to say something so blatently idiotic.
Surface RT is only going to be on 6 models for the first 6-9 months. If I read correctly each chip maker was able to hand pick 2 companies to work with to make the first release of RT.
Now I am sure Microsoft and the 6 will have more then enough ways to feed the hunger for a Windows Tablet with and Arm chip.
Come the fall, you are not going to be able to find a place where there is no Windows RT available.
Yes right now, who knows where it's going to be sold, how much it will be.....
I am sure come Launch you will see a live event that will have all that information.
As it is right now.....everywhere I go I can not avoid the "Upgrade to Win8 for $15" ads, posters, radio spots.......
It's only 2-3 months away from Launch.......wait, be calm, don't panic....after your going to see how silly your words were!!!!
JSLEnterprises said:
Considering the surface is the equivallent of an ultrabook in tablet form.... It's safe to say that it is beyond comparison to an ipad, unless said iPad was running OSX and the same Intel hardware as a MacBook.
Next time try not to say something so blatently idiotic.
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I think you are the one who said something idiotic - not I. There are TWO Surfaces or have you forgotten? Surface RT is not equivalent to an ultrabook and can be put up against/compared to an iPad. Surface Pro is on par with an ultrabook as it has full blown windows under the Metro skin.
No need to jump down my throat
i secont that... RT is in direct competition with iPad where as Pro one, which will come out late, is an ultrabook
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Considering the surface is the equivallent of an ultrabook in tablet form.... It's safe to say that it is beyond comparison to an ipad, unless said iPad was running OSX and the same Intel hardware as a MacBook.
Next time try not to say something so blatently idiotic.
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I'm fairly sure microsoft is making surface in house, There may be samsung parts in it, but I do not think it is assembled by samsung. At least as far as ive read.
OrangeTang said:
I'm fairly sure microsoft is making surface in house, There may be samsung parts in it, but I do not think it is assembled by samsung. At least as far as ive read.
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if I recall correctly, and please correct me if im wrong, but MS doesn't have manufacturing lines, all their hardware is outsourced to other manufactures.
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if I recall correctly, and please correct me if im wrong, but MS doesn't have manufacturing lines, all their hardware is outsourced to other manufactures.
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Yeah...
it can easily be a rumor but i found this:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsof...-windows-surface-tablets-ipad-supplier-196106
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Yeah...
it can easily be a rumor but i found this:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsof...-windows-surface-tablets-ipad-supplier-196106
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that would make perfect sense, a manufacture that is already pumping out these things wouldn't need a massive change of direction to run another production line of a similar nature.
anyhow, wait until one pops out then we can rip it apart and look for point of origin signs
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How is the Surface tablet supposed to be popular and give the iPad a run for its money if places to buy it are limited?
You can buy an iPad online, Apple stores and select retail stores.
Mircrosoft have a handful of Microsoft stores in the US ONLY. Is the only option to buy online direct from a Microsoft store?
Mircrosoft seriously needs to make the Surface table easy to purchase from a wide number of sources if it has any chance to great sales figures.
I for one can't wait. Upgrading to Windows 8 on my desktop, purchasing a top Windows 8 handset and a 16gb Surface RT tablet. This combined with Skydrive makes an awesome integrated OS - just like Apple with the iPhone, Mac OS, iPad and iCloud.
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you might want to wait and see what surface sells like?
the surface presentation looked like a soft launch of alpha class stuffs for market testing...it wasn't even as solid as the wp7 early debut. "Limited supply" screams low commitment or low expectations from Microsoft.
Just sayin
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As it is right now.....everywhere I go I can not avoid the "Upgrade to Win8 for $15" ads, posters, radio spots.......
It's only 2-3 months away from Launch.......wait, be calm, don't panic....after your going to see how silly your words were!!!!
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Take pictures, post them here... it would be neat to see some marketing again from Microsoft.
Most places like Best Buy and Futureshop have the deal on, I know I even saw it on the MS website.
Except for a tiny link on most sites, you would think Windows 8 was not going to happen anytime soon.
Windows 8 Metro relies HEAVILY on touch or high end trackpad support. PS/2 trackpads that are on the vast majority of laptops don't cut it with their pseudo-multitouch.
I am going to get a Samsung 7 because I am excited as an avid Mac and Windows Phone user that something so elegant and powerful is coming to the desktop.
Current hardware basically stinks to high heaven for getting a good Windows 8 experience because even RTM makes using the desktop difficult because desktop apps are hidden by default. This is a completely new OS, not at all an upgrade.
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I never did get an apology from JLEnterprises
Anyway, what sucks about the 14.99 windows upgrade is that the special price is only valid if you have purchased a PC with Windows 7 from June 2, 2012 to January 31, 2013. If you have a PC with Windows 7 prior to June 2012 (as I have), I guess we have to pay the full monty for it. Ho hum!
RT can't be compared to iPad because it doesn't have nor could it have the same amount and quality of apps.
I realize all the greatness about windows 8 etc, look at all my other post and you will see I am full blooded fanboi. However I am a poor fan and so price is something I have to consider. I thought when I saw the Surface price that it was really miles to steep but then it was really top end hardware and so was to be expected. However what I didn't realize is that it wasn't an expensive windows rt tab at all infact it was very competitive. For example here in the UK the Ativ tab with less fancy hardware is more expensive (32gb ativ = £457 32gb, surface = £399). Am I being funny here or can you not get same spec Android for about £100 less? I know RT smashes Android BUT its still got its problems - lag, app unreliability, lack of native apps though bluestacks has this covered but then as I was pointing out if you want droid go for an actual android tab. Is it wrong to want decent hardware RT for around the £350 mark? Or am I just a tight old man?
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I realize all the greatness about windows 8 etc, look at all my other post and you will see I am full blooded fanboi. However I am a poor fan and so price is something I have to consider. I thought when I saw the Surface price that it was really miles to steep but then it was really top end hardware and so was to be expected. However what I didn't realize is that it wasn't an expensive windows rt tab at all infact it was very competitive. For example here in the UK the Ativ tab with less fancy hardware is more expensive (32gb ativ = £457 32gb, surface = £399). Am I being funny here or can you not get same spec Android for about £100 less? I know RT smashes Android BUT its still got its problems - lag, app unreliability, lack of native apps though bluestacks has this covered but then as I was pointing out if you want droid go for an actual android tab. Is it wrong to want decent hardware RT for around the £350 mark? Or am I just a tight old man?
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It's not wrong at all to want decent hardware RT cheap especially when the Google Nexus 7 32gb when released will be £249.99. Ms seem to be going down the Apple route and overpricing there tabs instead of competing with Android. Windows 8 RT is after all the full Windows 8 optimized for Arm CPUs, I'm curious to what the Price of the Surface Pro will be as It's a better spec than RT with a propper Intel Processor and full Windows 8 with the ability to load regular PC apps so you'll have the choice of Office apps that you want to use other than Microsoft Office.
I want a Tab but cant decide wether I should save for a Google Nexus 7, Microsoft Surface RT or Microsoft Surface Pro?
Roland
lumpaywk said:
I realize all the greatness about windows 8 etc, look at all my other post and you will see I am full blooded fanboi. However I am a poor fan and so price is something I have to consider. I thought when I saw the Surface price that it was really miles to steep but then it was really top end hardware and so was to be expected. However what I didn't realize is that it wasn't an expensive windows rt tab at all infact it was very competitive. For example here in the UK the Ativ tab with less fancy hardware is more expensive (32gb ativ = £457 32gb, surface = £399). Am I being funny here or can you not get same spec Android for about £100 less? I know RT smashes Android BUT its still got its problems - lag, app unreliability, lack of native apps though bluestacks has this covered but then as I was pointing out if you want droid go for an actual android tab. Is it wrong to want decent hardware RT for around the £350 mark? Or am I just a tight old man?
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no i think they missed the mark, i suspect it was OEM presure, they would perhaps have promised to release low priced parts in x months, we do see that with other hardware, top end gets released first, then back ported to lower end gear.
but yes i agree,it is stupid,MS would have done well to use some of that $40 billion surplus it has to support a low price and gain some traction in the market rather than start from 0 with relitively high prices...
but who am i to argue
It's $100 cheaper than the iPad for the same storage, and when you look at it the Surface really does scream quality. Everything about the hardware just seems so precisely designed.
I think Microsoft are planning to go after Apple rather than Google. Apple is more of a competitor, as it offers the same services as Microsoft with that distinct Apple twist I despise.
They also don't want to undercut OEMs.
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It's $100 cheaper than the iPad for the same storage, and when you look at it the Surface really does scream quality. Everything about the hardware just seems so precisely designed.
I think Microsoft are planning to go after Apple rather than Google. Apple is more of a competitor, as it offers the same services as Microsoft with that distinct Apple twist I despise.
They also don't want to undercut OEMs.
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absolutely as a long term plan, but the more pressing problem is short term market traction,Android holds the cards there and shouldnt be dismissed, dispite it being a crap product compared to Apple and MS
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absolutely as a long term plan, but the more pressing problem is short term market traction,Android holds the cards there and shouldnt be dismissed, dispite it being a crap product compared to Apple and MS
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MS should price Surface RT & Surface Pro mid range so its:
Android, budget Phone/Tablet for people on a tight budget/Linux users.
Windows Mid Range All Rounder, Desktop/Phone & Tablet for people that want a complete affordable package of Desktop, Phone & Tablet with everything working as one semlessly.
Apple premium All Rounder high end Desktop/Phone & Tablet for people that can afford to pay for style and want everything seamlessly synced between all there devices.
Android tablets may be cheaper than Apple Tablets but Android is scales properly on an Android Tablet compared to iOS where the icons are spread appart as if Apple has taken iSO from an iPhone and just flashed it to the iPad.
Hopefully Surface Pro with Windows 8 Pro will be more successfull than Windows XP Tablet Edition, I can't recall ever seeing any resonably priced Windows XP Tablet Edition Tablets advertised.
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Yeah its not like I am saying that there shouldn't be top end hardware at a top end price but where is the middle ground.
And now I also want to know where are any of these tablets. Its launch day the big bang of there tablet push and I cant find ANY for sale anywhere bar the surface and that's on a 3 week wait. I have been to PC world, Commet, Currys and nothing but old Laptops with the os put on it and not a single tablet. Its a joke! How do they expect to make big profits if people that actually want to buy cant find anything anywhere. Then to top it off we have the most preview locations in Europe but they are all in London! So once again some Americans thing England is well London.
If you buy what you really need, the price might be right
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Yeah its not like I am saying that there shouldn't be top end hardware at a top end price but where is the middle ground.
And now I also want to know where are any of these tablets. Its launch day the big bang of there tablet push and I cant find ANY for sale anywhere bar the surface and that's on a 3 week wait. I have been to PC world, Commet, Currys and nothing but old Laptops with the os put on it and not a single tablet. Its a joke! How do they expect to make big profits if people that actually want to buy cant find anything anywhere. Then to top it off we have the most preview locations in Europe but they are all in London! So once again some Americans thing England is well London.
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your closer to London than i am!! Marketing has always been MSs downfall, hardware is something they often do very well,but alas you may be right on this one
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They also don't want to undercut OEMs.
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Exactly this. With the pricing that they have they are trying accomplishing 3 goals
1. Placing the surface in everyones mind as a "Premium" product
2. Not annoy their OEMs
3. Give them room to drop the price if they want later.
I REALLY want a Surface pro but I know that it's going to probably be 900+ (based on RT prices) and I can't justify spending that much when I already have a perfectly working Acer w500 with windows 8 and nice i5 @ 4ghz, 16gb ram self built PC that runs pretty much anything decently. I think MS is targeting those consumers that have money to burn and the oems can fight over the 'bargain hunters'.
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Exactly this. With the pricing that they have they are trying accomplishing 3 goals
1. Placing the surface in everyones mind as a "Premium" product
2. Not annoy their OEMs
3. Give them room to drop the price if they want later.
I REALLY want a Surface pro but I know that it's going to probably be 900+ (based on RT prices) and I can't justify spending that much when I already have a perfectly working Acer w500 with windows 8 and nice i5 @ 4ghz, 16gb ram self built PC that runs pretty much anything decently. I think MS is targeting those consumers that have money to burn and the oems can fight over the 'bargain hunters'.
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Yes, but nobody is fighting for the bargain hunters, the acer and the Samsung tablets are more expensive then the surface (at least here on pre-order prices). All the windows pro based tablets are stupidly expensive like + £900. I know there are a few that could fill the cheap market but where are they? There is nothing available for launch! Its the worst launch I have seen in a long long time and is like launching the next xbox without any games. Whoever was in charge of making sure oems had products really dropped the ball on this one big style and by time they get anything to market the momentum of launch will have faded.
So i was considering to buy a tab or a laptop in near future. I'm concerned about using native Linux on the device , which can be either ubuntu or any other GNU/Linux. My main concern is the device must not get outdated for atleast 5 or 6 years.
With laptop the choice is simple. I will go for any laptop with intel processor and intel HD graphics since intel graphics has better open source driver support.
But with tab, i have a lot of confusion. I see that the nexus devices have a better support for proprietary binaries whenever a newer android version is released. But how long are they going to have them. And since i need GNU/Linux , will these nexus proprietary binaries work for ubuntu ports. It seems canonical is already working on bringing ubuntu 13.04 to nexus7, but how about the proprietary binaries. Will everything on nexus7 work in ubuntu the same way it worked in Android? And if yes, how long?
If you need a "real" Linux, you have no choice but to get a laptop.
Real Linux on Android devices is experimental, unstable and not suited for "productive use".
My main concern is the device must not get outdated for atleast 5 or 6 years.
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lol. Cannot believe this is a serious question.
JohnRM said:
lol. Cannot believe this is a serious question.
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I thought that at first, but maybe the op is planning on deployment of the tab as a part of a larger infrastructure. 5 year shelf life is not that crazy or unreasonable if it is being used for a specific job.
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Thanks for the replies. I just don't want to upgrade devices frequently and I need it only for personal use. I will consider getting an intel based laptop as I'm tired of getting devices outdated in 2years of purchase (and support for native linux as well).
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Thanks for the replies. I just don't want to upgrade devices frequently and I need it only for personal use. I will consider getting an intel based laptop as I'm tired of getting devices outdated in 2years of purchase (and support for native linux as well).
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I don't think its a case of the device being outdated. As the Nexus surely wont be outdated in 2 years.
In my opinion, its more of the fact that I get bored of my device after a couple of years, and generally want a new one.
I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOUR LOOKING TO KEEP A SINGLE DEVICE AND USE IT FOR 6 YEARS?! Won't you get bored?
Bored? I still have and use my Amiga 3000.
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I don't think its a case of the device being outdated. As the Nexus surely wont be outdated in 2 years.
In my opinion, its more of the fact that I get bored of my device after a couple of years, and generally want a new one.
I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOUR LOOKING TO KEEP A SINGLE DEVICE AND USE IT FOR 6 YEARS?! Won't you get bored?
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Maybe I'm or maybe I'm not, I don't really know. But I can't afford for frequent device upgrades. The main point I considered nexus7 is its price is very cheap relative to its specifications. All i want is some linux device with up-to-date OS firmware for longer duration.
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Bored? I still have and use my Amiga 3000.
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I still have my OG Xoom from early 2011 which is incredibly well built, and it has just gotten updated to 4.2.1 thru TeamEos custom rom. I still love it and Eos keeps it relevant and pretty smooth, however, Android OS has been growing at a rapid pace and in a while, the wifi Xoom (an unacknowleged Nexus device) will not be able to digest the new OS. Since the Xoom is still less than 2 years old, that gives an idea of the potential lifetime of these devices. My Xoom will continue to give me many years of service as a music player (using the multimedia dock) and in many other ways, but for my daily needs, I need something newer.
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I don't think its a case of the device being outdated. As the Nexus surely wont be outdated in 2 years.
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I hate to say it, being the Android fan that I am, but no Nexus device to date has received a full two years of updates before getting dropped from updates. Nexus One was released in January 2010 and the first update it didn't get was ICS, released in late 2011. The Nexus came out in mid-December 2010, and got dropped with the release of 4.2 just shy of two years later. That doesn't bode well for the new ones, even if today we can say "quad-core? That'll never become obsolete!"
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My main concern is the device must not get outdated for atleast 5 or 6 years.
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What?
Even Macs don't have that much of a staying power. You're in for a rude shock if you think a tablet (or laptop) is going to successfully last you 5-6 years. If the sheer boredom/death of the battery won't do it, the fact that apps won't be actively developed on it certainly will.
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I hate to say it, being the Android fan that I am, but no Nexus device to date has received a full two years of updates before getting dropped from updates. Nexus One was released in January 2010 and the first update it didn't get was ICS, released in late 2011. The Nexus came out in mid-December 2010, and got dropped with the release of 4.2 just shy of two years later. That doesn't bode well for the new ones, even if today we can say "quad-core? That'll never become obsolete!"
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Correct. Nexus one was dropped with release of android 4.0 and nexus s was dropped with release of 4.2 according to this page.
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What?
Even Macs don't have that much of a staying power. You're in for a rude shock if you think a tablet (or laptop) is going to successfully last you 5-6 years. If the sheer boredom/death of the battery won't do it, the fact that apps won't be actively developed on it certainly will.
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I don't know about Mac but let's consider windows xp or windows 7 both of which are supported for 10years . Anyone buying a PC/laptop with windows7 can use it for around 10years if they wish to.
In linux, a single OS release maynot have a life of 10years (the best i can find is UBUNTU LTS with 5years support). But if a PC/laptop with linux uses no proprietary drivers, it can easily have 10years life.
I don't mind using older hardware or lack of apps . I just need to be on up-to-date Operating System for long-time. I currently don't see it is possible in mobile world.
I think this too...I bought a windows 7 laptop more then a year ago, i've just upgraded to windows 8 and I will use it for at least 6 years more...
I've also have a N7, which I really consider a great buy, but I don't expect to use it more then 3-4 years... Considering 2 years google support + 2 years of custom roms...
It's true that the N7 has replaced the 70% of my laptop's usage but they are different, also considering the price: spending 200€ or $ for a 16 gb Nexus 7 id different from spending 700 for a good laptop...