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Was wondering what's the track record of Samsung getting custom Roms/firmware?
I really like how XDA have developers to do custom ROMS for HTC phones but was wondering does Samsung phones gets same treatment? Or will be looking at far and few in between updates from Samsung itself and won't be able to update to the latest and greatest?
Really want Nexus One but the Galaxy S is sooooooooo much better *sigh*
Can't answer your question on whether the Samsung will get the same amount of Dev time that has been lavished on the HTC phones, but I was in the same situation as yourself - Galaxy S or Nexus One.
I came down on the side of the Galaxy S simply because it's a better phone all round. There's a multi-touch vid on youtube comparing the responsiveness of the screens, and the Galaxy wiped the floor with the Nexus One. I'm hoping that the popularity of this phone will mean that the Devs on here will start giving some time to the Galaxy S.
I must admit I was initially drawn towards the Nexus One because of excellent work that has been done by the likes of Cyanogen et al, but I took the long term view that surely the same must eventually happen with the Galaxy S. *crosses fingers*
For the Galaxy, there is MoDaCo. For the Galaxy Spica, there is Samdroid. Don't know much about the others, but they weren't released here in Europe anyway.
I followed Samdroid a while, thinking about getting a Spica. There are some awesome things going on there - they even tried to modify the touchscreen sensor, because the hardware does support multitouch, but the driver doesn't. AFAIK, they had no success, but still nice try. And they even opened a board for the Galaxy S, maybe Leshak fetches one and works some magic there in the future. If not, I am pretty sure somebody will.
If you want to customize it to run the latest roms, the question is: how "open" is this device?
I know that HTC made the Desire a pain in the butt to unlock/root, and they will improve this with every new phone the make, making them more and more secure and block customized images.
Is Samsung going to follow the same strategy?
I think you're right Magicdroid, the question would be how open this is. But even though the Desire was a pain to root, it HAD been rooted just cos there's lots of developers. When there are lots of developers, you'll get rooted device
I wonder if the Galaxy S will get lots of user base.............I just hope lots and lots of ppl will pick it up and then the chance of longetivity with custom ROMS dramatically increases....
I'm hopoing for good community support as well. I have an AT&T Tilt, and have doen well on the XDA site. I'm spoiled
I am very interested in the Galaxy S, but I"m on At&T, and the AT&T version i keep reading about doesn't have the same specs. So having to wait and see on that.
Also, I see a lot of negative feedback on Samsung support, and based on their previous Android phone (Behold I think it's called) is not getting an upgrade. Lots of complaints about being abandonded by Samsung.
Not sure what I'll do. If At&T doesn't get decent phones soon, I mahy have to look do Verizon.
Sorry...I'm rambling off topic.
The Galaxy S looks like a great piece of hardware.
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There's a multi-touch vid on youtube comparing the responsiveness of the screens, and the Galaxy wiped the floor with the Nexus One.
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Hilarious! I just found it and laughed so much http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
I was considering to buy a Nexus, but now I changed my mind...someday this mobile will hopefully get root and give enough space for customizations of every kind...just wait and see - it will come in the mid of June to Europe and I'm eager to hold one in my hands
I'm disciplining myself to not get this phone until there's a good team of developers move to it to get customizations going
aaahhh the wait the wait......
and, do you have one jet? the best mod is doctorz rom. it runs very smooth
God damn it. Did you sign up just to necro a thread that's over A YEAR AND A HALF old?
[Q] Galaxy S I9000 to Nexus S [FULL UPGRADE]
Hiya'll
I'm considering an upgrade from my current Galaxy S "international" to the new Nexus S. Some of you may not consider it an upgrade hence I'd like to take it further here. I'd love to receive all the new updates as fast as possible unlike now when I had to wait three months for Froyo on the SGS to arrive through Kies after its official release by Google. Also reading through the forum, I doubt Samsung will release any updates beyond 2.3 for SGS.
Do you value the new Samsung handset and consider it as potential upgrade? Or would you rather stick to your SGS as you're completely pleased with it?
I'd like to know if there's anyone else out there waiting for the Nexus S as I'm
the SGS is probably a better phone. with Micro SD and FM radio is more important than flash camera and NFC I think.
As for the updates yeah I agree it would be nice but yeah it's a tough decision. I'll probably stay with the SGS unless I can get the nexus S cheaply
Guys this is what samsung want, they wont/delay upgrade to 2.3 for SGS cuzz they want to sell their new flagship phone, this is what samsung always do, and this is not just me, i've read the same thing in some other blogs and websites also.
Think about it !
The Galaxy S is indeed a better phone.
Google focused more on software than hardware, so they didn't want anything to hinder it's performance. Thus, hardware-wise, Galaxy S is the better phone, and once it runs Gingerbread - it will be even better than the Nexus S.
There will be other phones coming out with 2.3. And if Samsung still wants to sell the SGS by then, they will have to deliver it with 2.3.
Not all competition is internal. And while for some products or manufacturers it makes sense to handicap the entry level models (for example when it is cheaper to produce the same hardware, and a cheaper model is sold with reduced functionality but still at a profit) this doesn't apply to SGS, as it is the top of the line.
I think the Nexus S is more of a sidegrade, and it seems the NFC makes it rather thick. It seems more like a technology demo than a mass market product to me.
But then, GT-i9100 or GT-i9200 would also be coming. Those could be essentially identical to the SGS with the differentiator being the software. So I feel those do pose a real risk in this regard,
Best point of SGS: it will boot everything you throw at it. It is not locked down, so it is open for any formware that is released independent of kernel changes even. But a bad point is that there does not seem to be a real public, team work developer community; the serial interface to the SBL looks really interesting and might even allow booting from the external SD card! I didn't find a forum that stimulates me to do that kind of experiments yet, especially as signal to noise is so low. Whenever an interesting development happens, the threads are filled with posts like 'will this be ported to Captivate' (by whom?), repeat questions, and other displays of entitlement.
jutezak, appreciate your opinion and the SGS indeed is a great handset. However, if we'll depend on the developer community aside from the manufacturer then that would probably slow the process of receiving updates. Most developers even at XDA will run a certain project and end it as soon as it feels complete although bugs are constantly reported. Some even leave without further notice.
I appreciate all the hard work done by all developers yet the manufacturer here i.e. Samsung plays a far more significant role unless they also seem to neglect the SGS to pose their focus on another peice of tech.
In terms of hardware the Nexus S may not seem as a potential rival yet meriting it's Google heritage as the next Nexus One in line raises no compatibility issues with any Android App released to date as seen accross the platform with many other Android devices.
I'd really like to get a Nexus S
but without the extra SD card slot... it is a big no no....
rachitboom2 said:
Guys this is what samsung want, they wont/delay upgrade to 2.3 for SGS cuzz they want to sell their new flagship phone, this is what samsung always do, and this is not just me, i've read the same thing in some other blogs and websites also.
Think about it !
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nexus s is not samsung's flagship, sgs is still their flagship phone. nexus s is google's phone made by samsung.
Samsung Mobile already tweated SGS will get 2.3 for sure
there is a topic about that
in all honesty i cant see what gains there in the Nexus S to a Galaxy S owner... as stated lack of memory card expansion slot - poor effort IMO!
the only plus i see is that it runs google supplied O/S and not samsung played with version! im running JPU on my galagy with ADW.Launcher and im more than happy, stock rom, rooted but no lagfix and its far superior to all other releases. If Gingerbread is released to Galaxy S users then id happily stick with SGS over NS.
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in all honesty i cant see what gains there in the Nexus S to a Galaxy S owner... as stated lack of memory card expansion slot - poor effort IMO!
the only plus i see is that it runs google supplied O/S and not samsung played with version! im running JPU on my galagy with ADW.Launcher and im more than happy, stock rom, rooted but no lagfix and its far superior to all other releases. If Gingerbread is released to Galaxy S users then id happily stick with SGS over NS.
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exactly and we are getting more and more custom ROMS builds per day, many of which are pretty stock android
soon enough we'll have a completely deoxed version without any junk add-on
It all comes down to money. Most of us can't afford to upgrade every 6 months. Any upgrade is worthwhile if money isn't a factor.
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It all comes down to money. Most of us can't afford to upgrade every 6 months. Any upgrade is worthwhile if money isn't a factor.
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it doesnt help that the service providers now only offer 18/24 month contracts (i dont think anyone does 12month now!)
Loads of 12 months contacts in Oz.
It's Googles phone, not Samsungs although they make it. Doubt Samsung is going to drop the Gallaxy and start promoting a rivals phone.
Serious note. SGS should now get updates just after Google phone users, now they use the same hardware. If not Samsung didn't negotiate a good deal when agreeing to supply them with hardware.
Samsung seems the place to be now, move over HTC.
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Loads of 12 months contacts in Oz.
It's Googles phone, not Samsungs although they make it. Doubt Samsung is going to drop the Gallaxy and start promoting a rivals phone.
Serious note. SGS should now get updates just after Google phone users, now they use the same hardware. If not Samsung didn't negotiate a good deal when agreeing to supply them with hardware.
Samsung seems the place to be now, move over HTC.
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very few if any offer 12 month in the UK now
the handset is still technically Samsungs, but built specific to the needs of Google... its pretty much the SGS with a few tweaks and additions, running stock android 2.3
we (the samsung SGS owners) would hope they have a decent agreement regarding the O/S updates, but as others have said "why would they release a new flagship to outshine the SGS then make it better?"
Have you guys ever considered the Nexus S to be a GOOGLE ONLY device like all the other NEXUS/G1 dev phones? In other words its not Samsungs top of the range device. I say the GT-9200 or Samsung Galaxy 2 would be Samsungs flagship. Maybe it will be a Nexus S with FM and external memcard and LED Flash. The reasoning behind my thoery is if you looked at HTC, Yes they did release the Nexus One but handed over the marketing and support of the device to Google while they released and marketed the HTC Desire (their flagship device at the time). Either way the Nexus One isn't ment for the general public even though you can buy it and the next Galaxy whatever its going to be called will be Samsungs baby. So basicly what I'm saying is the Nexus One is a moot point for everyone saying they want to upgrade to it and just wait for the next Galaxy S (GT-9200) which I'm feeling will land or be announced in Feb as thats when Samsungs new Amoled factory will go online. Also word is that they will stop making Galaxy S after Dec anyways to supply screen for the Nexus One which will be a stop gap til launch of Galaxy S 2 (or whatever the new flagship device is) Samsung has a history of killing devices to supply screens to their flagship phone. Ie they killed off the Samsung Wave and replaced it with the Wave II which only had SLCD and lower spec hummingbird because they needed the parts for the Galaxy S.
How many of you think its worthwhile to shift to a Nexus S? If not why?!
My next device must have a dual core processor with a higher resolution to convince me to make the jump! Or atleast more RAM....if the Nexus S had 1GB of RAM, i'd surely be tempted to switch!
What's your stance?
I'm not going to upgrade to Nexus S because I don't see it as an upgrade nor as a downgrade.
We'll probably get a port from honeycomb, so I will use my SGS for a while.
Other than the pure android experience I don't see much reason to upgrade. If it had a standard submatrix samoled I'd upgrade in a heartbeat.
I'm not as i don't see it as a step forward.
Yes some things may be new and better, but overall I see the nexus as a step sidways from the galaxy s.
Personally I don't see the attraction with the curved display, now do i like the idea of NFC, I dont wanna be walking along and have things flashing up on my phone.
I dont know why they bothered inventing nfc when there is bluetooth, wifi, 3g and qr codes available.
I also see the lack of external SD card as a downgrade.
My first android phone was Nexus One and after a year in December i bought Nexus S. Now i feel that i need a new phone or a tablet,right now i m little confused between samsung Galaxy s2 or Htc Sensation.
The reason i m posting is that many of you guys came from flavored to vanilla phone like Htc and galaxy. So i want to know which phone is devs favorite and has more roms and will be better for gaming and stuff.
Or
Should i go for Galaxy tablet or Asus EEEpad?
Go do your own research about Galaxy S2 vs. Sensation. People here at these forums prefer the Nexus S over anything. We get the Nexus series because manufacturers don't have any say in anything. They simply just provide the hardware.
Not being a jerk or anything, but we shouldn't have to babysit you one by one our opinions about what phone to get when we're already enjoying the one we already have.
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My first android phone was Nexus One and after a year in December i bought Nexus S. Now i feel that i need a new phone or a tablet,right now i m little confused between samsung Galaxy s2 or Htc Sensation.
The reason i m posting is that many of you guys came from flavored to vanilla phone like Htc and galaxy. So i want to know which phone is devs favorite and has more roms and will be better for gaming and stuff.
Or
Should i go for Galaxy tablet or Asus EEEpad?
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It's a tough question because everyone has different needs.
I have used MANY Android devices, I'm almost ashamed to admit.
I currently have the Nex S, HTC Glacier and a Motorola Xoom and I'll probably be getting the SGSII soon.
The Sensation is really nice. I have the ROM with Sense 3.0 running on my Glacier now and it's pretty sweet, but I still would prefer the SGSII without a doubt.
So it's really a YMMV situation, based entirely on your preferences, needs and wants
However, I've heard the new Samsung Galaxy 10.2 is currently regarded as the best Android tablet out now. So I hope that helps.
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Go do your own research about Galaxy S2 vs. Sensation. People here at these forums prefer the Nexus S over anything. We get the Nexus series because manufacturers don't have any say in anything. They simply just provide the hardware.
Not being a jerk or anything, but we shouldn't have to babysit you one by one our opinions about what phone to get when we're already enjoying the one we already have.
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C'mon man.
Lighten up a bit.
It's a community.
We help each other out.
He asked a harmless question.
That's all.
He clearly lacks experience and is looking for guidance from those that do.
Is that really so bad?
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C'mon man.
Lighten up a bit.
It's a community.
We help each other out.
He asked a harmless question.
That's all.
He clearly lacks experience and is looking for guidance from those that do.
Is that really so bad?
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It's really bad when you're coming to a respective forum and people are giving their own opinions about the phone when the REAL facts about the phone itself are on Engadget. These phones are made to fit a person's personality. One phone will please one person, whereas, another will knock it down because it's simply not what they're looking for.
Galaxy S2: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
Sensation: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/27/htc-sensation-review/
I'd go with the Galaxy S2. That's just me. Happy?
I just find it really rude to come here and start talking about two phones that have absolutely nothing to do with its respective forum. People here (especially Sprint) users just got the phone and it's making them have regrets in buying the NS4G because with this thread, it makes the NS seem like an obsolete device when development for the NS/NS4G is starting to boost.
Sensation XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1109
Galaxy S2 XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1055
Note: Going to one of those forums and asking the same thing, they will most likely side with their phone because its a biased post. Just like how I'm standing up for the Nexus S. However, it may be more informative since they ACTUALLY have the phone in their hand and can list their personal experiences with the phone rather than us providing our experiences based on our readings from tech blogs. Fair?
Quad-core phones are coming out later this year with the upcoming rumored Nexus device anyway, which will most likely be the flagship "Ice Cream Sandwich" device. The leaked roadmap for NVIDIA Tegra lists that Tegra 3 (Quad-Core 1.5GHz) will be released within this Fall.
And since the Nexus S is a Nexus device, it will be one of the first phones to get "Ice Cream Sandwich" (or whatever it will be called). Having that in mind KEEPS me on staying with Team Nexus. Because there's really no reason to go out of Team Nexus when Nexus devices are getting their updates directly from Google including a fully deoxed ROM being released in a short period of time. ESPECIALLY when these devices being released are not optimized for Dual-Core (or above) usage. It doesn't matter if it has a 8-core CPU, if the OS doesn't optimize those cores, then it really doesn't matter. That's the end of the story.
Anyway, enough of my ranting. I hope this makes you stay with Nexus devices because they are truly unique phones and people should learn to appreciate them more. We will get our updates faster than any other phone and to be honest, I don't trust any manufacturer that determines whether or not when I will get the OTA. Even still, CyanogenMod does a great job on keeping users at the highest Android OS version possible but a stock version of the latest will help. Especially when Nexus devices are un-bloated and built from AOSP for the most part.
GS II... hands down.
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I would go for SGSII since it's a Galaxy S series phone, where almost everything is possiblility
man, you need to get both in hands to decide! since in real world specs means nothing! sensation has better resolution, buy s2 has mega hiper super amoled plus (or whatever samsung is calling it now)...
pick both phones and use it for a while, then decide!
http://androidandme.com/2011/06/new...ou-might-want-to-wait-for-the-nexus-3-part-1/
Does it make me a terrible person that I want to pay full retail for that phone despite only having my ns4g for ~2 months now?
Why not just get a tablet. If your that much of a power user and need a new phone after a couple of months. Give your eyes a rest and get something bigger
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I prefer the overall non-branded android phones hence the nexus S I currently have. Had an HTC before and got kinda fed up with the bugs/issues and SLOW response from HTC to provide firmware updates.
I've had the Nexus S since Dec 2010 and I've already had four firmware updates!
Friend at work has the SGS2 and its a nice phone.. though I'd prefer it without touchwiz naturally lol
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I prefer the overall non-branded android phones hence the nexus S I currently have. Had an HTC before and got kinda fed up with the bugs/issues and SLOW response from HTC to provide firmware updates.
I've had the Nexus S since Dec 2010 and I've already had four firmware updates!
Friend at work has the SGS2 and its a nice phone.. though I'd prefer it without touchwiz naturally lol
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Well the fact that Samsung gave a CM7 developer a Galaxy S2 to dev CyanogenMod meant a lot. I give Samsung more credit than they deserve regardless of how people criticize Samsung.
Motorola is just a no no.
HTC would be my second choice. I respect them for their commitment to "unlocking bootloaders." But the fact that they wanted to lock the bootloaders in their first place is shady.
Samsung doesn't really lock their bootloaders, its just fully open. And no, I'm not referring to the NS. The Galaxy S series wasn't even hard to unlock, just rename to update.zip and flash it in stock recovery.
I dont think so nexus 3 will be tegra 3 1.5 quad core so now i am thinking galaxy s2 or lg optimus 2x(g2x)
Nexus 3
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Does it make me a terrible person that I want to pay full retail for that phone despite only having my ns4g for ~2 months now?
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yes, it makes, you are terrible! =oP
that was the main reason i came to nexus, i want to trade it only for a new nexus... this hardware race is insane! it reminds me the old times of PC: 166mhz, 233mhz, 300mhz... MMX, 3DNOW
just look for better battery life .. wichever provide u better battery..and i think almost all phone now days coming with dual core n higher ram..
if u dont really care about updates than just pick one, which looks n feel better
cuz there arent much higher upgraded features coming anymore soo 2.3 and above is all cool
SGS2 because:
Faster everything
Slimmer profile
internal storage plus micro sd
physical button on the front
not Sensation because:
Wifi Death Grip issue
Sense 3.0 = which is garbage and pure eye candy
nexus one was my first android as well, and coming from vanilla, sense > touchwiz for me. Actually, a lot of ppl prefer sense over touchwiz. thats what you should look into if youre coming from vanilla.
of course, you should look at the specs as well. i found that any hardware differences werent significant enough for me.
Even though i'm not a fan of touchwiz, i ordered the sgsii because its compatible with the network im heading to, and mainly bc it looks like samsung really brought their stuff together and put a lot of work into the phone...where as (while i'm not doubting the work put into it) the sensation comes off as merely a dual-core EVO 4g.
just my 2 cents.
I don't understand why people prefer Sense > TouchWiz.
Sense is ALL EYE CANDY.
TouchWiz, first thing that comes to mind is looking like iOS. This is true, but when you put TouchWiz launcher under the hood and use LauncherPro/ADW over it. It's actually a great skin. TouchWiz implemented new features such as the power widgets on notifications bar and added codecs to play 720p. The Camera App was amazing too.
Apple with every launch of a new IOS version, its features are replicated from 3GS to latest Ipad.
Whenever Samsung launches a new TW it completely forgets the past, breaks android evolution (ex. ICS in SI), most likely won't update TW in SII (and forgot to fix camera firmware issues), most software innovations (crap or not) in SIII are not followed through older gen.
Most likely leaving the "dirty" work for developers to clean Samsung mess.
This alone is probably the strongest selling point of Apple, which looks after older models.
What's your feedback on this? Shouldn't we demand more from Samsung?
a few things..
1) whats your point?
2) you compare a launcher/UI to a whole OS
3) what are you complaining about?
Youre in a great community here. and when the time comes (of this yet to be released device..) there are a few people who will gladly pick that work up I believe..
4) dont think this can be a serious discussion without flaming.. so I guess this will be closed shortly..
This is an android forum and noone gives a rat's ass about iphones.
Theyre overpriced, ugly and terribly limited devices.
Close this thread please.
Just thought of this, and how Samsung in one year time will likely "forget" SIII.
Thinking again about it, maybe it's better to delete this post. Sorry about this guys.
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Just thought of this, and how Samsung in one year time will likely "forget" SIII.
Thinking again about it, maybe it's better to delete this post. Sorry about this guys.
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You of all people should know they won't because you just installed JW5 on your S1 didn't you.
You received selected android 4.0 features and s2 additions on a i9000 2.3.6 rom. This is as good as it gets. Look at other manufacturers like sony or motorola or htc. None of them give you these kind of benefits.
The i9000 and i9100 are extremely popular and very very successful devices. No wonder they keep pushing updates for them. Be glad of what you have. I own multiple devices, S1 and S2 included, and both of them are definitely my favorites.
They are free and open, they have great displays, looks, sdcard slots. Performance wise they basically declass every other phone including my gnex which fails miserably in that aspect. Everything from the launcher, browser through games and calculation heavy applications run great.
In addition, Apple could give a rat's ass about older models. They'll give them enough to keep most complaints at bay but otherwise, they want your fresh earned money for the newer stuff. Siri ring a bell?
Thanks for your opinion, of which I agree to almost everything.
This thread should be closed, don't know exactly what was in my mind.
this forum is full of hysteric overreacting wenches on steroids ..
He asked a legitimate question about Samsung policy in handling their franchise, not about your sisters bra sizes to throw a hissy fit like that ..
General stuff to general thread
I dont know if anyone else read the article on androidandme with some marketing guy for Samsung, but it was extremely disappointing. He acknowledges that Samsung needed to put out the best possible specifications to "decimate" the competition when they released the GS2. And now the market has changed and there are too many good spec phones out so now the market needs a phone with an amazing "experience".
To me this sounds like Sammy has abandoned the huge cult of people that bought the SII and made the company what it is today in the smartphone market. Instead they've turned their attention to trying to attract iPhone customers,
I dont know about you, but I love walking around with my Galaxy SII and slamming iPhone 4 users for not having the specs to compete. and slamming 4S users for having the specs and lacking the freedom to do anything with it.
I can't imagine going back to iPhone, everyone in my family owns one, and I'm responsible for it. I was an iPhone fanboy, which i dont regret. I have to admit iPhone ushered in the touchscreen era. But its us, the early iPhone adopters, who first felt the need for more and moved on to better things. We went to Samsung because of their track record, knowing that they were the ones supplying the iphone with hardware. And boy did they get it right, the Galaxy S2 needs no introduction. Its revered for its spectacular spec sheet, and even more, for its tremendous following (and it doesn't hurt that most of them are on XDA ).
So instead of catering to the people that were ahead of the curve, the ones that got sick of the iPhone and bought the SII, they left us hanging out to dry.
IMO this is why the S III is a disappointing FAIL, at least for the users that have ever found the need for a visit to XDA. This isnt to say that I wont buy the S3, I will... but I wont sell my S2. And that says a lot I think, it says that early adopters will always be early adopters. And the S2 wouldn't have been such a hit if it weren't for us replenishing the well. It definately wasnt a hit because of the "marketing department" at Samsung. [I dont remember ever seeing an S2 ad before buying it ]
And that's what shocks me most, instead of drilling deeper into the well, someone at Samsung convinced the company to drill a new well right next to Apple's.
Samsung, you're not Apple, you cant sell "magic", and you shouldn't want to because only stupid people believe in magic. You're customers are smart, we bought the SII because it was the 'shizzle' no matter how you put it. Focus on the hardware, innovate the cpu, camera, ram, screen [HD Super AMOLED PLUS!!!!!!!!!], build materials and design, then software [because we're gonna rip it out anyways, ]. Leave the selling to us, I made everyone in my family buy iPhones, and that includes extended family, relatives and friends. and guess what, now they're all buying Galaxy S II's because of me. I'm sure I'm not the only one like this or else the SII wouldnt have been such a hit. Focus on what we can sell, not what your marketing needs to help them sell [cheap gimmicks that may or may not catch on]
I'll leave it by saying this, "Samsung, let Apple worry about selling magic to the masses, you should worry about making products that sell themselves."
BTW guys, no boycott intended or anything like that. P.S. Dont hesitate to place your vote on the pole above, I think its interesting to see what SII owners think.
...I have to say that after reading some replies by people who have handled it, I'm getting a better idea about the S3. I'm even starting to think its underestimated, which is enticing to me for some reason. I'm glad to say that some of you guys are starting to shed some light on the things that Samsung left out. ie. Apparently the camera sensor is swapped for a capable low light shooter, and the video is greatly improved. This is what I really want hear keep it coming.
What?!
Seriously, I understood nothing you just wrote.
What does Apple have to do with Samsung releasing Galaxy S3?
Why is Galaxy S3 a failure and made for "Iphone costumers"? S3 is nothing like Iphone.
In fact, Samsung took all the measures to make it look a lot different than it's competitor, mostly to avoid more legal rights.
I agree with you galaxy s3 is sucks in design but it's free from any copyrights infringement that might somehow happen in the future (design, etc.).
I have a quote
"if you're smart you'll choose superior device with better hardware, higher utility, and more freedom rather than a "fruit" device..."
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What?!
This must be the biggest nonsense I've read on XDA.
Seriously, I understood nothing you just wrote.
What does Apple have to do with Samsung releasing Galaxy S3?
Why is Galaxy S3 a failure and made for "Iphone costumers"? S3 is nothing like Iphone.
In fact, Samsung took all the measures to make it look a lot different than it's competitor, mostly to avoid more legal rights.
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Thats cool, i respect your opinion . I dont mind, I just wanted take a pulse reading to see if anyone else noticed what I was seeing.
Btw, do you own an SII?
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I agree with you galaxy s3 is sucks in design but it's free from any copyrights infringement that might somehow happen in the future (design, etc.).
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I actually think the design is prolly the best thing about the phone, but mainly I'm referring to the direction that Samsung took with the phone
s.alkari said:
Thats cool, i respect your opinion . I dont mind, I just wanted take a pulse reading to see if anyone else noticed what I was seeing.
Btw, do you own an SII?
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Yes, I have an SII. I won't buy SIII though because I'm out of money and this phone cost A LOT in Brazil (mostly 2x more than other countries).
Sorry if I sounded a bit rude on the other post.
MaKTaiL said:
Yes, I have an SII. I won't buy SIII though because I'm out of money and this phone cost A LOT in Brazil (mostly 2x more than other countries).
Sorry if I sounded a bit rude on the other post.
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No worries man, no offense taken.
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No worries man, no offense taken.
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So, I read your text one more time. Tell me if I'm right:
So you are saying that Samsung should have included all those new software features on Galaxy S2 instead of releasing a new Hardware that, despite being "better", Galaxy S2 can still run everything without the added power.
Samsung should have made a better support for S2 instead of moving on to the next generation. Is that right?
MaKTaiL said:
So, I read your text one more time. Tell me if I'm right:
So you are saying that Samsung should have included all those new software features on Galaxy S2 instead of releasing a new Hardware that, despite being "better", Galaxy S2 can still run everything without the added power.
Samsung should have made a better support for S2 instead of moving on to the next generation. Is that right?
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Actually no, what i meant was that I like that Samsung made some improvements in the software, but I dont like that it prioritized the things that made the S2 great, so low on its list. I feel like samsung's priorities are: Marketing>Software>Design>hardware. Where it should have been: Hardware[Screen+camera+cpu+gpu.etc]>Design[not bad on the S3]>Software[not bad on the S3]>marketing. They should have spent less money on marketing because it was already the most anticipated phone, and devoting more money on developing and releasing new hardware [newer gen dual core might be better than the old gen quad core, people dont watch movies and surf the net simultaneously on their phones, although it is a cool feature], and design [already not bad, maybe more futuristic materials, perhaps even waterproofing?]. And it shouldn't have been that hard to know this, the world's blogs were bustling with hopes for the S3
s.alkari said:
Actually no, what i meant was that I like that Samsung made some improvements in the software, but I dont like that it prioritized the things that made the S2 great, so low on its list. I feel like samsung's priorities are: Marketing>Software>Design>hardware. Where it should have been: Hardware[Screen+camera+cpu+gpu.etc]>Design[not bad on the S3]>Software[not bad on the S3]>marketing. They should have spent less money on marketing because it was already the most anticipated phone, and devoting more money on developing and releasing new hardware [newer gen dual core might be better than the old gen quad core, people dont watch movies and surf the net simultaneously on their phones, although it is a cool feature], and design [already not bad, maybe more futuristic materials, perhaps even waterproofing?]. And it shouldn't have been that hard to know this, the world's blogs were bustling with hopes for the S3
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Ohhhh, now I'm getting it.
Well, IMO they were focusing on a little bit better hardware to lower the price.
S2 is already a very fast device, improving it even more wouldn't make much sense.
Yes, improving hardware is a must for newer devices, but improving it too much wouldn't be necessary in my opinion.
It would increase the price too much and for me the biggest advantage of the Galaxy series (and Android for that matter) is the price.
Iphone has much lower specs and it still very expensive. I would never spent my money on it, even if I had enough to buy 100.
But I understood your point.
However I think Samsung focusing on improving the Software was a must.
Touchwiz 5 included a lot of custom rom's features that no company has ever included before like battery percentage, customizable lockscreen widget bar and notification window, etc.
These things would only be possible on custom roms like Cyanogen for instance.
It's great that they finally understood why people felt the need to root their phones and decided to include these famous features on the stock firmware.
I only wish that Touchwiz 5, at least part of it, came to Galaxy S2 at some point.
MaKTaiL said:
Ohhhh, now I'm getting it.
Well, IMO they were focusing on a little bit better hardware to lower the price.
S2 is already a very fast device, improving it even more wouldn't make much sense.
Yes, improving hardware is a must for newer devices, but improving it too much wouldn't be necessary in my opinion.
It would increase the price too much and for me the biggest advantage of the Galaxy series (and Android for that matter) is the price.
Iphone has much lower specs and it still very expensive. I would never spent my money on it, even if I had enough to buy 100.
But I understood your point though.
However I think Samsung focusing on improving the Software was a must.
Touchwiz 5 included a lot of custom rom's features that no company has ever included before like battery percentage, customizable lockscreen widget bar and notification window, etc.
These things would only be possible on custom roms like Cyanogen for instance.
It's great that they finally understood why people felt the need to root their phones and decided to include these famous features on the stock firmware.
I only wish that Touchwiz 5, at least part of it, came to Galaxy S2 at some point.
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you make a good point, I know that what your saying is right. Price being important and all, and I will always appreciate software improvements [samsung does it well, the difference between touch 3 and 4 and now 5 is in the right direction]. but in terms of pricing i had hoped that due to samsung being the source of its hardware, that it would enable it to pass the savings on. whereas apple still has to buy all of its parts, which partly explains the price.
Customers had lot of expectation for S3...
They would have given 12Mp cam
2GB Ram...Rest of the hardware is good.
Display would have been bit better one.
There is no much diffrence from S2....
I will wait for S4 or Next Nexus release by december 2012
Well, let's wait and see what others think about this.
I gotta go now, it's 1:04 AM here in Brazil and I have to wake up early tomorrow. See ya!
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lvvine said:
Customers had lot of expectation for S3...
They would have given 12Mp cam
2GB Ram...Rest of the hardware is good.
Display would have been bit better one.
There is no much diffrence from S2....
I will wait for S4 or Next Nexus release by december 2012
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I will wait and see if Samsung will ever release TW5 on S2.
If not, I will have to buy S3 at some point. I loved the new features and customizations.
MaKTaiL said:
Well, let's wait and see what others think about this.
I gotta go now, it's 1:04 AM here in Brazil and I have to wake up early tomorrow. See ya!
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I will wait and see if Samsung will ever release TW5 on S2.
If not, I will have to buy S3 at some point. I loved the new features and customizations.
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Take care bro, i hit your thanks button, its always fun talking to ppl that know what theyre talkin bout.
lvvine said:
Customers had lot of expectation for S3...
They would have given 12Mp cam
2GB Ram...Rest of the hardware is good.
Display would have been bit better one.
There is no much diffrence from S2....
I will wait for S4 or Next Nexus release by december 2012
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vote on my pole, id appreciate your vote
s.alkari said:
Actually no, what i meant was that I like that Samsung made some improvements in the software, but I dont like that it prioritized the things that made the S2 great, so low on its list. I feel like samsung's priorities are: Marketing>Software>Design>hardware. Where it should have been: Hardware[Screen+camera+cpu+gpu.etc]>Design[not bad on the S3]>Software[not bad on the S3]>marketing. They should have spent less money on marketing because it was already the most anticipated phone, and devoting more money on developing and releasing new hardware [newer gen dual core might be better than the old gen quad core, people dont watch movies and surf the net simultaneously on their phones, although it is a cool feature], and design [already not bad, maybe more futuristic materials, perhaps even waterproofing?]. And it shouldn't have been that hard to know this, the world's blogs were bustling with hopes for the S3
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The problem is that you are speaking from the POV of a techie who knows his stuff. I myself was hoping for a dual core Krait/A15, however even Samsung said the average consumer will choose a quad core A9 over a dual core Krait/A15. So Samsung knows that the average consumer are idiots. LOL. (Rather like the people who think that a V12 Mustang is more powerful than a V6 Nissan GT-R)
The thing is software is one of the most oft criticised things about the S2. I have heard fruit users complain that its hard to use (whether they truly find it like that or its fanboyism I can't tell). Its good that they are working on the software front because software is just as important as hardware. If Samsung can convince a fruit user is just a intuitive as a fruit then its a victory.
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Logi_Ca1 said:
The problem is that you are speaking from the POV of a techie who knows his stuff. I myself was hoping for a dual core Krait/A15, however even Samsung said the average consumer will choose a quad core A9 over a dual core Krait/A15. So Samsung knows that the average consumer are idiots. LOL. (Rather like the people who think that a V12 Mustang is more powerful than a V6 Nissan GT-R)
The thing is software is one of the most oft criticised things about the S2. I have heard fruit users complain that its hard to use (whether they truly find it like that or its fanboyism I can't tell). Its good that they are working on the software front because software is just as important as hardware. If Samsung can convince a fruit user is just a intuitive as a fruit then its a victory.
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Well put my man, I guessed as much regarding the cpu. I guess I'm like a teacher's pet, who loves the teacher, but the teacher keeps putting me on back burners because some kids need more attention. I dont know if that makes any sense, all i know is that I would have liked to see Sammy give the people that appreciate their devices some more love, instead of trying to convince other users to love them.
Logi_Ca1 said:
The problem is that you are speaking from the POV of a techie who knows his stuff. I myself was hoping for a dual core Krait/A15, however even Samsung said the average consumer will choose a quad core A9 over a dual core Krait/A15. So Samsung knows that the average consumer are idiots. LOL. (Rather like the people who think that a V12 Mustang is more powerful than a V6 Nissan GT-R)
The thing is software is one of the most oft criticised things about the S2. I have heard fruit users complain that its hard to use (whether they truly find it like that or its fanboyism I can't tell). Its good that they are working on the software front because software is just as important as hardware. If Samsung can convince a fruit user is just a intuitive as a fruit then its a victory.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA
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you really hit the nail on the head for me, i had to thank button you
you got a vote for me?
in what way this thread is related to s2???? it should be either in s3 thread or in general!!
People always have higher expectation , it will never be possible for any company to satsify all.
s.alkari said:
Well put my man, I guessed as much regarding the cpu. I guess I'm like a teacher's pet, who loves the teacher, but the teacher keeps putting me on back burners because some kids need more attention. I dont know if that makes any sense, all i know is that I would have liked to see Sammy give the people that appreciate their devices some more love, instead of trying to convince other users to love them.
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Lol personally I'm feeling the urge for a new device so I will most likely be getting the S3. Then when my contract ends in October I will get the iPhone 5, sell it, and get whatever Nexus is out at that moment.
The other source of my disappointment is the camera on the S3. At least its a new sensor, but I wish they put a bright aperture lens on that... My S2 struggles in low light. Well, not that the One X doesn't even with it's F2.0, from what I hear.
Again, the S3 is a mass market phone. With the HTC One X screaming "FIRST TO QUAD CORE" it would be hard for Samsung to scream back "DUAL CORE KRAIT WITH MUCH HIGHER IPC AND 28NM PROCESS". The average Joe just won't get it.