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Should I buy this phone?

Was wondering what's the track record of Samsung getting custom Roms/firmware?
I really like how XDA have developers to do custom ROMS for HTC phones but was wondering does Samsung phones gets same treatment? Or will be looking at far and few in between updates from Samsung itself and won't be able to update to the latest and greatest?
Really want Nexus One but the Galaxy S is sooooooooo much better *sigh*

Can't answer your question on whether the Samsung will get the same amount of Dev time that has been lavished on the HTC phones, but I was in the same situation as yourself - Galaxy S or Nexus One.
I came down on the side of the Galaxy S simply because it's a better phone all round. There's a multi-touch vid on youtube comparing the responsiveness of the screens, and the Galaxy wiped the floor with the Nexus One. I'm hoping that the popularity of this phone will mean that the Devs on here will start giving some time to the Galaxy S.
I must admit I was initially drawn towards the Nexus One because of excellent work that has been done by the likes of Cyanogen et al, but I took the long term view that surely the same must eventually happen with the Galaxy S. *crosses fingers*

For the Galaxy, there is MoDaCo. For the Galaxy Spica, there is Samdroid. Don't know much about the others, but they weren't released here in Europe anyway.
I followed Samdroid a while, thinking about getting a Spica. There are some awesome things going on there - they even tried to modify the touchscreen sensor, because the hardware does support multitouch, but the driver doesn't. AFAIK, they had no success, but still nice try. And they even opened a board for the Galaxy S, maybe Leshak fetches one and works some magic there in the future. If not, I am pretty sure somebody will.

If you want to customize it to run the latest roms, the question is: how "open" is this device?
I know that HTC made the Desire a pain in the butt to unlock/root, and they will improve this with every new phone the make, making them more and more secure and block customized images.
Is Samsung going to follow the same strategy?

I think you're right Magicdroid, the question would be how open this is. But even though the Desire was a pain to root, it HAD been rooted just cos there's lots of developers. When there are lots of developers, you'll get rooted device
I wonder if the Galaxy S will get lots of user base.............I just hope lots and lots of ppl will pick it up and then the chance of longetivity with custom ROMS dramatically increases....

I'm hopoing for good community support as well. I have an AT&T Tilt, and have doen well on the XDA site. I'm spoiled
I am very interested in the Galaxy S, but I"m on At&T, and the AT&T version i keep reading about doesn't have the same specs. So having to wait and see on that.
Also, I see a lot of negative feedback on Samsung support, and based on their previous Android phone (Behold I think it's called) is not getting an upgrade. Lots of complaints about being abandonded by Samsung.
Not sure what I'll do. If At&T doesn't get decent phones soon, I mahy have to look do Verizon.
Sorry...I'm rambling off topic.
The Galaxy S looks like a great piece of hardware.

MarvinTheAndroid said:
There's a multi-touch vid on youtube comparing the responsiveness of the screens, and the Galaxy wiped the floor with the Nexus One.
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Hilarious! I just found it and laughed so much http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
I was considering to buy a Nexus, but now I changed my mind...someday this mobile will hopefully get root and give enough space for customizations of every kind...just wait and see - it will come in the mid of June to Europe and I'm eager to hold one in my hands

I'm disciplining myself to not get this phone until there's a good team of developers move to it to get customizations going
aaahhh the wait the wait......

and, do you have one jet? the best mod is doctorz rom. it runs very smooth

God damn it. Did you sign up just to necro a thread that's over A YEAR AND A HALF old?

how come all over the net everyone is bashing nS

I am a current n1 owner rooted and all that good stuff, but usually before i purchase something I look it up online and see what the deal is.
I checked out the specs it looks pretty nice(just as good as evo4g droidx desirehd)
Yeah each phone has its pros and cons, but the nexus s is ****ing SICK I was in both verizon and sprint stores yesterday and checked out the samsung phones, for they all use the same screen and the quality of the devices are amazing. Yeah there lightweight and not made of a metallic material but no1 says the that about exotic cars being light weight either haha idk bad analogy maybe.
Nexus S is really nice tbh coming from a nexus 1 owner who is severely disappointed with the plain display and HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE touch screen nexus S rocks nexus ones socks off.
Still disappointed about the video recording situation and i understand its a software issue instead of hardware which makes me very happy so no worries on that front.
Also I use my nexus one with the stock SD card which is only 4 gigs and I think that is plenty enough for me and i only fill it up from nandroid backups haha idk this is just my view on things and for those who are uncertain about buying a nexus s. Def going to bestbuy tommorow to buy me one of these then ima buy a oem housing for my n1 and new battery and give it to my brother (his first android phone) he will def love it just as much as i did.
But the matter of the fact is that i dont see why people say its a let down when google obviously knew what the phone would be they said they worked with every department of samsungs engineer team to make the phone so these specs are going to be as up to date as the nexus one was and still is.
These dual core phones although are probably going to be ****ing epic and stuff, but like honestly what are we all going to use these dual cores for? saving battery would probably be the biggest pro but like dual cores processors wtf are we gonna do play some pc games or render movies? idk thats just me !
what you guys think?

*see any of the dozen other threads about this*

Lately, as people settle down and get to know their Nexus S, the issues are starting to revolve around Gingerbread 2.3. It is chalk full of glitches and issues (random ringtone changes, difficulty in moving icons, some screen scrolling issues, and a slew of others...) which seems to be shared by many owners.
Google has their work cut out for them in future updates.

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Lately, as people settle down and get to know their Nexus S, the issues are starting to revolve around Gingerbread 2.3. It is chalk full of glitches and issues (random ringtone changes, difficulty in moving icons, some screen scrolling issues, and a slew of others...) which seems to be shared by many owners.
Google has their work cut out for them in future updates.
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but judging how fast they pushed out 2.3.1 they are up for the job

It's because everyone is brain washed by the terms Steve Jobs uses a lot. "Revolutionary" and "Magical."

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but judging how fast they pushed out 2.3.1 they are up for the job
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Not really, the .1 update is just the changes from finalizing AOSP approvals.

DKYang said:
It's because everyone is brain washed by the terms Steve Jobs uses a lot. "Revolutionary" and "Magical."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZS8HqOGTbA&feature=related
You should get a great laugh out of that DKYang

That's because people that love their nexus s and haven't had any issues with it aren't starting threads praising how good it is because they are too busy playing with the phone =D
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As an admitted Apple fan who's had an iPhone from V1, up to the iPhone 4, and;
As a guy who's tried Android - Droid X, Samsung Fascinate,
The Nexus S is the best Android phone I've ever used. There are things I still love about the iPhone 4: retina display, build quality (use of metal, scratch-resistant front and rear, amazing battery life), fantastic app selection and peripheral choices galore.
That said, I am really enjoying the Nexus S. The design aesthetic is equal to the latest iPhone in my opinion - the all-black face, the lack of logos on the front face, the curved glass (which looks great and feels great). Gingerbread is more aesthetically pleasing than previous Android versions. The customizability inherent in Android is nice. The app store/marketplace is getting better although there are still glaring omissions vs. the iPhone store (CNN news, for example).
Hardware-wise, I greatly prefer the Nexus S to the Droid X or Samsung Fascinate (Verizon). Better aesthetic, better feel when held in hand or by the face. I wish Samsung had made the back cover out of higher-quality, less scratch-prone materials. Software-wise, it's totally worth it to get faster major updates from Google than to wait for the carrier and device OEM to get their build out. Also, the lack of carrier crapware is much, much better for the consumer.
I'd like Android to combine its great notification system with on-screen notifications when the device is locked a la iPhone (e.g. push news alerts). I'd like a more elegant folder design a la iOS. The new cut & paste and text selection is nice, but I'd like consistency across ALL apps in this regard a la iOS. I'd like a unified inbox for communications from various sources. I'd like them to fix the annoying field bug when adding contacts from Map listings. Android still lags iOS in the clever use of multi-touch gestures across the OS, and it needs to address this. I should be able to swipe and delete like iPhone, vs. long press and menu select, etc. Android also needs its own form of eye candy sprinkled more liberally throughout the OS. Gingerbread's "display off" emulation of a cathode ray tube is a small step in the right direction. The OS should have a lot more of this compelling eye candy to meet or exceed the fit and finish of iOS, but it has to be "uniquely Android" or it will seem like a poor facsimile.
Hardware: I'd like Samsung to keep what they're doing, but up the quality of build materials, particularly on the back of the device. The Nexus S is a big step beyond the Galaxy S design, in my opinion, and better materials like the Nexus One had would go a long way.
In a nutshell, this is the first Android phone that I prefer at times over my iPhone 4. But not always. iPhone still has the advantage over "Pure Google" in Hardware build (some), software elegance (more), and ecosystem app and peripheral choices (most). Vs. the "non-pure Google" phones, it's not even close. People may complain that Apple is "closed" but at least they focus on what's good for the end user. The choices that are made by OEMs and carriers in the Android universe are rarely good for end users, and this is on display with the superior Nexus line of products.

avniii said:
I am a current n1 owner rooted and all that good stuff, but usually before i purchase something I look it up online and see what the deal is.
I checked out the specs it looks pretty nice(just as good as evo4g droidx desirehd)
Yeah each phone has its pros and cons, but the nexus s is ****ing SICK I was in both verizon and sprint stores yesterday and checked out the samsung phones, for they all use the same screen and the quality of the devices are amazing. Yeah there lightweight and not made of a metallic material but no1 says the that about exotic cars being light weight either haha idk bad analogy maybe.
Nexus S is really nice tbh coming from a nexus 1 owner who is severely disappointed with the plain display and HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE touch screen nexus S rocks nexus ones socks off.
Still disappointed about the video recording situation and i understand its a software issue instead of hardware which makes me very happy so no worries on that front.
Also I use my nexus one with the stock SD card which is only 4 gigs and I think that is plenty enough for me and i only fill it up from nandroid backups haha idk this is just my view on things and for those who are uncertain about buying a nexus s. Def going to bestbuy tommorow to buy me one of these then ima buy a oem housing for my n1 and new battery and give it to my brother (his first android phone) he will def love it just as much as i did.
But the matter of the fact is that i dont see why people say its a let down when google obviously knew what the phone would be they said they worked with every department of samsungs engineer team to make the phone so these specs are going to be as up to date as the nexus one was and still is.
These dual core phones although are probably going to be ****ing epic and stuff, but like honestly what are we all going to use these dual cores for? saving battery would probably be the biggest pro but like dual cores processors wtf are we gonna do play some pc games or render movies? idk thats just me !
what you guys think?
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I believe its hardware, not software. But some day can be hacked with reduced FPS, just like Nexus One
All Google and Samsung knew is that they dont need to spend money on building the phone because it already existed for 6 month. They had lots of time to test Gingerbread on this hardware, and things like lack of Gorilla, LED, Bluetooth 3.0, SD-card, make me think they ran out of parts and used whatever was available at the time.....and in the end the phone is close to $600 bucks with tax in USA and even more in EU.

for me it's hardware deficiency lack of microSD support, no Bluetooth 3.0, the software is clean which is perfect IMO

I think people that are coming from other phones and maybe some Nexus One owners are happy with NS (I would be), But people with Galaxy S line phones (as myself) look at Nexus S as a downgrade. If NS was FREE or maybe $50 bucks, then I would give it some thought, but for $600 there is nothing to think about. Ps. I dont use FFC, flash/flashlight is pretty much the only positive hardware I see in NS.

kolyan said:
I think people that are coming from other phones and maybe some Nexus One owners are happy with NS (I would be), But people with Galaxy S line phones (as myself) look at Nexus S as a downgrade. If NS was FREE or maybe $50 bucks, then I would give it some thought, but for $600 there is nothing to think about. Ps. I dont use FFC, flash/flashlight is pretty much the only positive hardware I see in NS.
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It isn't a downgrade at all if you're sick of waiting for Samsung and/or T-Mobile to deliver the newest and latest Android. Not only that but open-sourced kernels, Samsung Vibrant (and other Galaxy S phones) relies on leaks and the final version has not been released. Who knows when they will become available.

onthecouchagain said:
Lately, as people settle down and get to know their Nexus S, the issues are starting to revolve around Gingerbread 2.3. It is chalk full of glitches and issues (random ringtone changes, difficulty in moving icons, some screen scrolling issues, and a slew of others...) which seems to be shared by many owners.
Google has their work cut out for them in future updates.
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2.3 runs fine on my captivate. I dont have any of the issues you are talking about. I read that a lot of people are having issues with the new screen. It may not be all 2.3 related.

zephiK said:
It isn't a downgrade at all if you're sick of waiting for Samsung and/or T-Mobile to deliver the newest and latest Android. Not only that but open-sourced kernels, Samsung Vibrant (and other Galaxy S phones) relies on leaks and the final version has not been released. Who knows when they will become available.
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I was sick of waiting......not anymore. I really dont care about official 2.2 because leaked Froyo for Vibrant is 100% fast and stable (with Nero and Voodoo). As far as 2.3 vs 2.2, for me they are the same...2.3 featuring looks and animations outside and game optimization under the hood. I already have all Ginger looks and animations, and i dont play games. I would put it this way, Touchwiz 2.2 has MUCH more useful features then 2.3
PS. It looks like Vibrants in USA officially get shipped with Froyo already. EDIT: ****ing Samsung switched the dates again

yes, waiting for 2.2 was an agony for SGS owners, now that most devices are on 2.2 it'll be another big challenge to get 2.3 for the rest of the SGS line up.
and it's true SGS takes to long to receive any Official release of 2.2/2.3 all 2.2 and now 2.3 that people got their hands on, was all leaked out or ported from other phones.
that's the only positive thing i like about the NS

People are complaining for two main reasons.
1. The hardware is nothing groundbreaking, the Nexus One was far better than anything else available when it launched. The Nexus S hardware is not bad but it is not any better than what is already on the market. I think people expected the Nexus line of phones to move Android forward, the way the Nexus One did and the Nexus S did not do that. The hardware just did not move the bar like the Nexus One did.
The only advantage to the Nexus S is the software (getting updates first and pure Android). This is enough for me to consider getting one in addition to my G2, but many people won't think this is a big enough difference to justify the purchase.
2. People always expect more when they pay more, I would bet more people paid full price for their Nexus S than other phones. Higher expectations = more complaints.
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Personally, my complaints are entirely about Gingerbread. It's disappointing to see so many glitches with stock Android.

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but judging how fast they pushed out 2.3.1 they are up for the job
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Lol!
But yeah i dont think its the phone being bashed for being whack...its just peoples expectations for the ns was set a lil too high.
Samsung couldve saved so much time just removing touchwiz from the gs
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atlp99 said:
People are complaining for two main reasons.
1. The hardware is nothing groundbreaking, the Nexus One was far better than anything else available when it launched. The Nexus S hardware is not bad but it is not any better than what is already on the market. I think people expected the Nexus line of phones to move Android forward, the way the Nexus One did and the Nexus S did not do that. The hardware just did not move the bar like the Nexus One did.
The only advantage to the Nexus S is the software (getting updates first and pure Android). This is enough for me to consider getting one in addition to my G2, but many people won't think this is a big enough difference to justify the purchase.
2. People always expect more when they pay more, I would bet more people paid full price for their Nexus S than other phones. Higher expectations = more complaints.
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.....+1 this was said so beautifully.
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After The Vibrant What is Next??? The next phone debate!!

We can all agree that the Samsung Vibrant/Galaxy S is a really good phone and a really great phone when running a custom rom. My question is what is next for you guy, as far as phones goes. What new upcoming phone will you guys get in the near future?
So far number one on my list of my next phones is the LG Optimus 2x, but is that can when Galaxy S 2 and the rumored LG 3D phone is announces. Most likely I will go with the Galaxy S 2. Why you ask? 1. TOUCHWIZ, I think Touchwiz is the best thing that every happen to a smartphone. 2. Odin, Odin practically made the Vibrant unbreakable. 3. Super Amoled Display, I can never look at another screen the same again after seeing super amoled, plus the Galaxy S 2 is said to have Super Amoled Plus Display sigh crazy!!!

I too am leaning toward the LG Optimus 2X but would opt for the Galaxy S 2 if it was coming out in the next couple of months. Have not heard nor read any real timeline for the Galaxy S 2. I also really like Twiz. I have had some hard feelings toward Samsung but I also like Odin and how it makes the phone much easier(or more comfortable) to mess with. I had pretty much decided to never purchase Samsung again but upon looking at the overall picture I feel it is the best decision for me at this time. I had a MT4G and even though I got it rooted and flashed a nice rom I never really felt comfortable playing with it. Sent it back.. Nice phone though.

LG Optimus 2X is mine, I am simply waiting on it right now. But I will NOT buy any phone that does not have the operating system I want and wait for it to come out. If the Optimus 2X does not come with gingerbread, no dice. That way I can flash some cool custom roms just for fun not cos I need the new OS
Seems like I made the right decision to not but the Galaxy Tab, will be getting the G-Slate to go along with it the Optimus2X, scary crap but I am going to be an LG guy (minus the TV)
Edit, after much thought and playing around with phones, watching youtube videos of different phones etc etc, I have decided I will stick to Google phones, ie Nexus line of phones. I really do not need much more than the 16gig it comes with, I hardly use the bluetooth anyway, and it is still faster than the current flock of dual core phones out there now...yep nexus S is my next phone. Even the Nexus one is beating phones that are a year newer at performing basic tasks fast and efficiently
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0e5z6vvf0A&feature=related for eg for the Nexus S

Grant it, i've had hard feelings towards samsung, I'll probably end up with another samsung phone. If not, I would go back to being a Symbian Developer once again with custom Symbians for Nokia. I was, maybe still am, a Nokia die hard. I love their simplicity and all of my Nokia's lasted years.
And Samsung is the closest to what I like on a phone. Customizable, ease of use, and their hardware configuration is so simple and very nice.
So yah...

As much as I am a believer in budget is relative, buy it if you can afford it, I still don't see why anyone buys a phone cause its the "next big thing". Hype and marketing will always tug at the trendy or the ppl who are "in the know" harder then reality or common sense.
Examples span from the the galaxy s Series being released, the G1 being the iphone killer, and more recently the X2 being short of expectations per the review just put out by engadget. Now I'm not saying that the following examples didn't take a turn for the better, if not the best, but electronics and the future is almost an oxymoron. You usually are never using the final product, but more like beta testing for the next best thing. It's an endless trap of gratification vs. $/phone.
As I was one who has gone through the ranks of the G1 and a vibrant, and I Love my vibrant, but Ill still just wait till xxx phone comes out late this year and get it for free on a full upgrade after its been out for 6 months and has tons of roms and the kinks rubbed out of it, lol.
/talking myself out of buying another toy hahaha

I'm going to stick to vibrant and wait for multiple dual cores to come out. Then hit the Craig when the price is lowest :b dun really wanna switch again... went through so many phones in last 4 -5months.
Samsung highlight/ iPhone 3gs/ Samsung vibrant / HTC g2/ nexus one / mytouch 4g/ and back to vibrant again.. should have never abandoned the vibrant in the first place lol.
Learned mylesson. Don't buy the first batch
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ndwgs said:
Grant it, i've had hard feelings towards samsung, I'll probably end up with another samsung phone. If not, I would go back to being a Symbian Developer once again with custom Symbians for Nokia. I was, maybe still am, a Nokia die hard. I love their simplicity and all of my Nokia's lasted years.
And Samsung is the closest to what I like on a phone. Customizable, ease of use, and their hardware configuration is so simple and very nice.
So yah...
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Sounds like you need a Nokia N8.
But i think im most likely gonna go with the Optimus 2x. That Dual-Core processor sounds promising.

they said the benchmarks on it are insane
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/31/lg-optimus-2x-star-dual-core-tegra-2-fully-benchmarked/

instead of spending my easily earned money on another phone when this current phone is perfectly fine, I am going to get some custom timberland boots!!
From what i have heard, performance increase is not that much with any phone that is not running honeycomb or higher. The OS can only utilize one core, so the main reason anyone would want to get the lg optimus should be for gaming, and lets face it, android games aren't that hw demanding or nice !!

serban954 said:
Sounds like you need a Nokia N8.
But i think im most likely gonna go with the Optimus 2x. That Dual-Core processor sounds promising.
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LOL, N8 is niiiccceee, especially it comes with Nokia Qt SDK for Devs, lolol... tempting.
Anyway, that's what i'm waiting for, a dual core, and simplicity.

Funny, I can afford to buy any phone anytime, that said i love this phone and am waiting for the same reason ndwgs said. Dual Core, my next buy will probably be the xoom tablet... then the Dual core, S2 or maybe Atris..... not sure
------BTW doesn't "TouchWhiz" sound like a condition you get from drinking to much beer ?

Haha yes! Lol
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Meh, as unhappy as I've been with the small amounts of great ROMS, and lack of Sense so far, I'm keeping this phone. Over the lasy year I've gone through six phones. Moto Cliq-myTouch-Blackberry Bold-iPhone 3G-myTouch-Vibrant. I was never truly happy with a device until this one. So I'll be waiting quite a qhile before getting a new one.

Either the Glaxy S2 or the HTC Pyramid. I can't wait for MWC to start

I will never buy a samsung phone again, but I heard that the nokia e7 is shipping now and the keyboard on that thing is gorgeous, not to mention the camera with dual led flash. If I were to buy a phone today it would be that one. I'd probably go through some minor flashing withdraw but I'd get over it.
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To the op try using this rom im using now http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=935799 its a suped up version of touchwiz ^^
and on the topic i would skip the lg 2x and prolly get the galaxy s2 for my next upgrade, mostly because i dont want a smaller screen. Hopefully by then they will solve the whole timely update problems, which they said recently while releasing the "official 2.2" <-(piece of sh*t btw) that they will work harder to provide updates on a timely matter.

Heh, I'm going to wait until the second wave of dual-core phones come out, probably by this holiday season. Why? They'll be more mature and ship with 2.4 stock, which is what you'll need to actually take advantage of those dual cores. And by then we'll know which chipsets have the best performance and battery life (Tegra 2 isn't all that impressive just yet).

ikevinnyii said:
To the op try using this rom im using now http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=935799 its a suped up version of touchwiz ^^
and on the topic i would skip the lg 2x and prolly get the galaxy s2 for my next upgrade, mostly because i dont want a smaller screen. Hopefully by then they will solve the whole timely update problems, which they said recently while releasing the "official 2.2" <-(piece of sh*t btw) that they will work harder to provide updates on a timely matter.
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Yea I tried that rom. I realtor like it but what I did is I pulled out the theme, widgets and touchwiz and put then on top of kb1.
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Heh, I'm going to wait until the second wave of dual-core phones come out, probably by this holiday season. Why? They'll be more mature and ship with 2.4 stock, which is what you'll need to actually take advantage of those dual cores. And by then we'll know which chipsets have the best performance and battery life (Tegra 2 isn't all that impressive just yet).
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Some have no problem getting 2 phones.
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sader2202 said:
Some have no problem getting 2 phones.
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True. I got a dinosaur phone and my vibrant. Nokia 6630 International Version and my Nex One.
Both i still use, beside my playtime/funtime/tester phone: the vibrant.
Speaking of which, when are you coming up with your Rom, Sader?
I see in your sig that you got a Rom coming soon?? I wan't to have a hands-on on that baby... No pressure. LOL

What makes a Future proof Android Device????

Im thinking to myself I love my Atrix its specs beat or match that of phones that just came out in the past weeks or due out in coming months.Now what specs would you say are future proof for ICS and new Dualcore super apps for android? IMO 1ghz Dualcore any chip or Soc don't matter 1Gig Ram but some might say 512 or 768 if you own a sensation being the way Android uses the Os how much is needed.Now when it comes to screen size well this is user based but screen Res I would say it changes some will say Qhd will be future proof but other devices like the nexus prime show a 720p screen so is that future proof? As far as storage we have 16 gigs built in witch is great beating the sensation and g2x along with others could this make our device or others with the same specs proofed some might say the OEMs play a part in updating but who knows my point is I would like 2 answers from you people the Atrix is it Proofed and what makes a future proof device at this point? I mean if you say that the Atrix is not proofed for what ever reason would mean your saying the photon / Sensation. / G2X / All Verizon dualcore phones/ Evo 3D are not future proofed so where is the line in witch we start to proof phones if there is any proof the way Android hardware moves it could be a game a made up word to keep us back for more when in fact a single core 512 device I.E. nexus S is very much Future proofed. WHAT YOU THINK?
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Nexus brand phones are always future proof as devs love working on them due to their stock nature. Other than that, it really just comes down to what phones are popular. I would not say the Atrix is future proof due to the fact that most devs abandoned the platform early in its life due to the locked bootloader. Even now the only roms we have are deoxed based ROMs and an unoffical CM7 port. It basically comes down to what phone is popular during each product cycle. For CDMA, it would be the thunderbolt at the moment. For GSM, it's the SGS2 by a landslide. Pretty much anywhere but this subforum, people are recommending the SGS2 as the android phone of choice if you are on a GSM network. It has a big dev following mostly due in part to how popular it is. People can argue all they want about how the Atrix is a superior phone, but the facts are that the Atrix flopped in sales whereas the SGS2 totally dominated globally.

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Nexus brand phones are always future proof as devs love working on them due to their stock nature. Other than that, it really just comes down to what phones are popular. I would not say the Atrix is future proof due to the fact that most devs abandoned the platform early in its life due to the locked bootloader. Even now the only roms we have are deoxed based ROMs and an unoffical CM7 port. It basically comes down to what phone is popular during each product cycle. For CDMA, it would be the thunderbolt at the moment. For GSM, it's the SGS2 by a landslide. Pretty much anywhere but this subforum, people are recommending the SGS2 as the android phone of choice if you are on a GSM network. It has a big dev following mostly due in part to how popular it is. People can argue all they want about how the Atrix is a superior phone, but the facts are that the Atrix flopped in sales whereas the SGS2 totally dominated globally.
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Yea but what your talking about is choice im talking specs not whats hot being hot has nothing to do with future proof more less sales
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Devs do have a favor in future proofing a phone. Im sure development has slowed down a lot for nexus one and itll start slowing soon nexus s. But generally the most powerful phone have a chance at being future proof. The sgs2 is fixing to get left behind i think with next generation of phones. I didn't know they were titty babies about their pride and joy. Anyways, the first quad core and nexus are probably going to be where its at.
Iphone > galaxy s 2.

pukemon said:
Devs do have a favor in future proofing a phone. Im sure development has slowed down a lot for nexus one and itll start slowing soon nexus s. But generally the most powerful phone have a chance at being future proof. The sgs2 is fixing to get left behind i think with next generation of phones. I didn't know they were titty babies about their pride and joy. Anyways, the first quad core and nexus are probably going to be where its at.
That's my point at what point does it end I think that any dualcore device out now should be proofed
Iphone > galaxy s 2.
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Yea but what your talking about is choice im talking specs not whats hot being hot has nothing to do with future proof more less sales
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Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.

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Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.
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This is almost spot on to what I was gonna exactly say.
SGS still has a HUGE support following. Once something as small as 2.3.5 gets leaked, the SGS section will go crazy wuth updated ROMS just like it has with the previous FWs.
If you are an early adopter, you will are taking a gamble with ANY phone.
But with Android, IMO it is critical in terms of future proofing to find a phone supported by devs.
(For non XDA users I'd recommend Nexus, and nothing else)
Devs decide the lifespan of a device more than the hardware itself. Even the G1 and the OG Droid/Milestone still gets supported.
That's why many companies are changing their policies and leaving BL unlocked, because it's truly in their best interest...
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edgeicator said:
Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.
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That's a good point people are getting all worked up over the gs2 is there a list if future android apps that there can run on there phone and not any other phone ? Cause at days end we can run the same apps that make android Android
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no device is really future proof anymore. as has been stated already its up to the devs.
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I want the Atrix to live forever!
Maybe we should make it worth it for the devs to get involved. I've seen countless times communities placing a $$bounty for the dev/team that gets X feature working.
XDA forums should implement such a system. That way it would pay-off to dev for the underdog, since everyone else would be fighting for the pop/novelty.

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That's a good point people are getting all worked up over the gs2 is there a list if future android apps that there can run on there phone and not any other phone ? Cause at days end we can run the same apps that make android Android
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You missed the point of my posts completely. I am saying that the SGS2 will last far longer than the Atrix in terms of lifespan due to the simple fact that the SGS2 has a much bigger fanbase and therefore many more devs working on it.

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You missed the point of my posts completely. I am saying that the SGS2 will last far longer than the Atrix in terms of lifespan due to the simple fact that the SGS2 has a much bigger fanbase and therefore many more devs working on it.
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They said the same thing about the Droid1. I've still got one of those for my work phone. I've completely uninstalled all nonstock apps just so the damn thing will run all day.

I agree with this line of thought as well. "Popular" phones continue to receive support for much longer, whether it be official or through the dev community. "Specs" can only get a phone so far on a technical scale but the incentive lies in where the money is at.
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Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.
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This is almost spot on to what I was gonna exactly say.
SGS still has a HUGE support following. Once something as small as 2.3.5 gets leaked, the SGS section will go crazy wuth updated ROMS just like it has with the previous FWs.
If you are an early adopter, you will are taking a gamble with ANY phone.
But with Android, IMO it is critical in terms of future proofing to find a phone supported by devs.
(For non XDA users I'd recommend Nexus, and nothing else)
Devs decide the lifespan of a device more than the hardware itself. Even the G1 and the OG Droid/Milestone still gets supported.
That's why many companies are changing their policies and leaving BL unlocked, because it's truly in their best interest...
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I was thinking this thread looked familiar. I noticed the OP had already started a thread based on almost the same premise here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241063
The reason I bring this up is this forum has become redundant enough just with noobs but to have the same person basically ask the same question and to do it by starting new threads, well.....

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They said the same thing about the Droid1. I've still got one of those for my work phone. I've completely uninstalled all nonstock apps just so the damn thing will run all day.
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Meh I recently sold my Motorola Milestone (GSM Droid). I had no problems running it on stock Froyo at all with plenty if Apps installed on my SD.
The "only" reason why I sold it was because it still had resale value. I got $200 for it, which wasn't that much less than what I originally paid for it.
Otherwise the OG Droid/Milestone is "still" a solid device...
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"Future-proof" to me is:
1. can it run everything? (i.e. processor/graphic intensive apps)
2. will it get stable CM? (this would likely ensure ICS)
The Atrix certainly gets a check for #1 and seems likely to get a check for #2. That's enough for me to keep from chasing after the next big thing. We'll likely get ICS from the CM team and keep chugging well into 2012.

i believe that the Atrix is future proof, but u kno a lot of people are bandwagon users, i've seen so many of them in the Atrix forum. As before the atrix came out, they were claiming it was gonna be the best phone to come out this year(which i think it is OVERALL so far), then some moved to the inspire and tried to call the Atrix crap until they used it the inspire for a while, found out it wasn't better, then came back to the Atrix saying it's the best, now the SGS2 is coming out and now their calling the Atrix crap smh....Now i seen the SGS2, it's a nice phone, but in OVERALL specs, i would have to say that the Atrix is better, but that's my opinion. Yea the SGS2 has a nice screen, but i think the Atrix's Qhd looks better(some may agree some may not), another reason is the Atrix having the largest STOCK battery(yea i know their's extended batteries, but they make your phone look bulky and you'll have to use a different back cover and most likely won't be able to use the case you once had) in a phone to date which helps when i'm goin on trips, having a busy day, etc. without having to carry around a charger or extra battery. There's plenty of other comparisons that i could make, but don't feel like going down that loooong list of stuff. I am nowhere near biased in my opinions, i never said that the SGS2 didn't have any advantages over the Atrix, i went on OVERALL specs, i might end up getting the SGS2 or the new Nexus device when they come out after i see watch multiple reviews to weigh out their pros and cons, but i don't know......maybe

For me the only device capable of being "future proof" is the device you feel more comfortable with, for work, play, lesisure and whatnot whithout sacrifices*.
In my case the Atrix has been a great device (and a keeper) because i can:
1. Mod it
2. Play the latest and greatest THD games.
3. Simplify my work with Logmein and such through the pretty convinient Lapdock accessory.
4. Great battery life
5. Great photo and video camera for those quick shots of the family
6. Use it without ugly, bulky bullet-proof casings because the battery cover is easily replaceable and very cheap to get and it basically protects the corners of the phone, which for some reason are the prime spots that get damage by use on any phone.
7. Great specs (RAM, Storage, qHD LCD Screen, Huge Battery, Expansion< etc)
* And when I mentioned 'without sacrifices' I meant that I can use my device without fear of wearing out the screen like on other devices that make use of such 'wonderful' AMOLED, S-AMOLED and variants that degrades over time.
Cheers!
Rayan
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Although I want devs to continue using and creating new stuff this great device, it really just doesn't matter too much for me down the road. I know I'll still have this phone 3 years from now doing the same thing I use it for today. Games, Netflix, Youtube, and browsing the web.
I don't upgrade my phone much, but I believe this time it was a great choice. When it boils down to it, as long as it plays all the new games a year or 2 from now from the market, it's still a great device for me.
Emulators are already possible for the Atrix, so it's not like I'm going to run out of games to play. Which is why I hated my iPhone 3g so much. That device would have never ran PSX games like my Atrix.

Nothing is future proof. As I type this message it's old news.. We should look at the things we do daily with our devices the common things, can you type a text message faster? Are you gonna post a Twitter response faster? Majority of people aren't past needing a great device like the Atrix. I mean the iPhone 4S isn't killing the Atrix as far as specs go. Camera on the iphone will be nicer not to do the mp but the overall optics. Just my 2 cents...this post is already not future - proof

Buy, or wait for next Nexus?

Looking for honest opinions. I know the GS3 is the best phone today, and there will always be a new thing coming out soon. But I feel like now is a time when in a few months, there might be a series of Nexus phones coming out, and these 2 will be the best Android devices for a while.
I've lived with my Evo for 2 years and a few more months is fine if there's a good chance the Nexus will be a big leap. On the other hand its so tempting to just get the GS3

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Looking for honest opinions. I know the GS3 is the best phone today, and there will always be a new thing coming out soon. But I feel like now is a time when in a few months, there might be a series of Nexus phones coming out, and these 2 will be the best Android devices for a while.
I've lived with my Evo for 2 years and a few more months is fine if there's a good chance the Nexus will be a big leap. On the other hand its so tempting to just get the GS3
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I was in the same boat as you. I ended up buying the One X. Then I bought the Galaxy S3. Haha..
It will definitely be interesting to see what the new nexus devices come out with. I always say I'll wait for this or wait for that, but inevitably I cave. You can't go wrong with the Galaxy S3. The international model will always have a strong developer following. I worry that the legendary developer following will become very fragmented when 5 different nexus devices are released. That has always been a claim to fame for the nexus line.
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S3 for me hands down.
GNex was a pretty big disappointment for me. The only thing it had going for it was Vanilla Android 4.0 ICS. Everything else about the phone I really hated. If Samsung follows the same trend with the next Nexus, then the next Nexus will be another disappointment in my books.
However, rumors whisper the next Nexus may be a Motorola phone. We'll see.

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S3 for me hands down.
GNex was a pretty big disappointment for me. The only thing it had going for it was Vanilla Android 4.0 ICS. Everything else about the phone I really hated. If Samsung follows the same trend with the next Nexus, then the next Nexus will be another disappointment in my books.
However, rumors whisper the next Nexus may be a Motorola phone. We'll see.
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If the next Nexus is a Motorola, then that will be a disappointment. Even though Google owns Motorola Mobility, If i see another "Droid" by Motorola I'm gonna projectile vomit...
Even though the GNex did not turn heads with its CPU/GPU/Cam, I think it was still a breakthrough device, it's still, to this day imho the best looking device out, front is literally flawless. LED notifier anyone? Even though I'm probably/most likely going to buy the SGS3, it's gonna be tough going back to a device that actually has buttons, that **** is old.....
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Looking for honest opinions. I know the GS3 is the best phone today, and there will always be a new thing coming out soon. But I feel like now is a time when in a few months, there might be a series of Nexus phones coming out, and these 2 will be the best Android devices for a while.
I've lived with my Evo for 2 years and a few more months is fine if there's a good chance the Nexus will be a big leap. On the other hand its so tempting to just get the GS3
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The next Nexus is not going to be launched until the end of the year, given how quickly devices/tech rolls over, 5 months for a device is already pushing it. The S3 is a beastly of a phone, but trust me, by October/November, there will be rumblings of the S4, the Nexus will be out, or multiple Nexuses, and while most are going to still be waiting for ICS, Nexus users will be rockin' Jelly Bean..

I quite want one, but doubt I'll find anyone to take my skyrocket + cash for this beast of a phone.
No upgrades on my account until september/October I forget. So I guess I'll have to see if anything is good then if nobody will trade me now.
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I think it's pretty dumb to wait for vaporware. If this was a device that had specs that'd make sense, but it seems pretty silly to wait on something and not even know WTF you're waiting for.
edit: Oh, sorry it isn't even vaporware. That's something that's announced and doesn't come to fruition. This hasn't even been announced or hinted at as of yet... silly.

yyhd said:
S3 for me hands down.
GNex was a pretty big disappointment for me. The only thing it had going for it was Vanilla Android 4.0 ICS. Everything else about the phone I really hated. If Samsung follows the same trend with the next Nexus, then the next Nexus will be another disappointment in my books.
However, rumors whisper the next Nexus may be a Motorola phone. We'll see.
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I read a little while back that Google will work with multiple manufacturers for the next line of Nexus phones, including HTC, Samsung, Motorolla, and LG.

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I read a little while back that Google will work with multiple manufacturers for the next line of Nexus phones, including HTC, Samsung, Motorolla, and LG.
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thats why I'm going to stick with gs3. This quad core version is really smooth!
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As you noted, there's always something new coming out. This means that the decision of when to jump in is entirely personal. I really think you should lay out your own minimum requirements and go from there. For me, the GS3 is a no go because one of my requirements is a next gen GPU, not a refreshed 2011 GPU. That's just one example of how I decide if I'm willing to upgrade yet. Until my desired specs are met I'm holding out with my sensation.
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The nexus has repeatedly represent the minimum standard for android and I emphasize the minimum standard. Starting with the nexus one, first 1ghz android. Nexus s with old galaxy s 1ghz and now current galaxy nexus with a dual core 1ghz. Samsung galaxy s series has been known for exceeding that standard and creating
Premium specs. Galaxy s had the best cup/gpu, s2 best cup/gpu and now s3 which has demonstrated it has the top dog cpu /gpu. Samsung has show again and again it s committed to the best.
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if you wait long enough, you could buy google glass.
joking aside, i think the GS3 is a significant upgrade from the phones from the S2 era... and i believe that the new nexus phone will not present that much of an upgrade save for Jelly Bean.

yyhd said:
S3 for me hands down.
GNex was a pretty big disappointment for me. The only thing it had going for it was Vanilla Android 4.0 ICS. Everything else about the phone I really hated. If Samsung follows the same trend with the next Nexus, then the next Nexus will be another disappointment in my books.
However, rumors whisper the next Nexus may be a Motorola phone. We'll see.
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This is so true, and many people share the same sentiment on the galaxy nexus.
vanilla android is great but the hardware is so lacking and gimp.
The promise of having the latest upgrade is not true anymore, it barely got 4.0.4.
I felt sorry for the people that kept their phone stocked and was stuck on the buggy 4.0.1...
but yeah it did look sexy..

I for one would like to hear more details on what the five Nexus devices really are. Are they going to be competing phones, phones with predetermined near-identical specs for dev compatibility, or not phones at all? The former is the ideal case, in terms of hardware at least.1 Combined with the customizable soft nav-bar (I can't help but find non-customizable, non-rotatable nav buttons lame as hell now) the choice would be a no-brainer for me.
But that's an ideal scenario. (Nope, ideal scenario is the Nexus Note )
1 The second would probably be ideal for homebrew deving, but without competition there's no guarantee of real hardware improvements.

There are already ample amount of posts regarding this, so it's not fair to ask the same thing again and again, instead searching would have given you all the answers you need
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copualt3 said:
The nexus has repeatedly represent the minimum standard for android and I emphasize the minimum standard. Starting with the nexus one, first 1ghz android. Nexus s with old galaxy s 1ghz and now current galaxy nexus with a dual core 1ghz. Samsung galaxy s series has been known for exceeding that standard and creating
Premium specs. Galaxy s had the best cup/gpu, s2 best cup/gpu and now s3 which has demonstrated it has the top dog cpu /gpu. Samsung has show again and again it s committed to the best.
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The gnexus is 1.2 ghz omap. 4460 not 1. Do the ghz really matter anymore? All. These damn processors are fast. I want quadcore A15. I'd be fine it was 1ghz

ECrispy said:
Looking for honest opinions. I know the GS3 is the best phone today, and there will always be a new thing coming out soon. But I feel like now is a time when in a few months, there might be a series of Nexus phones coming out, and these 2 will be the best Android devices for a while.
I've lived with my Evo for 2 years and a few more months is fine if there's a good chance the Nexus will be a big leap. On the other hand its so tempting to just get the GS3
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If you're dead set on getting a Nexus, you should stick it out and wait for the next round because they're probably going to be awesome (word is 5 different manufacturers are gonna be making them). The SGS3 phone is a great device, but if you're looking at a Nexus then you're obviously wanting something vanilla and the SGS3 is very, very far from vanilla.

depends if you don't want to root then go nexus as that will be better in the update department but if you are rooting the sgs3 is definitely worth picking up now considering its the best smartphone of the summer and there will be a lot of dev support.
"All this knowledge is giving me a major brainer!"

look, the thing which is important is that can you wait with patience or not? if yes, then wait as long as you can to buy a better device than s3. there are no details out yet regarding next nexus, so no one can say how it will be. In this case you better buy s3 and enjoy ur present time.
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Next nexus will be co-produced with asus...
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