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I've read on other topics people talking about ics on our gs2, so i decided to create a thread to express opinions
instead of spamming other topics hehehe
So if you want to say twiz is fugly or i like it, this is the wright place for you hehehe
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1396647
For the ones that seek aosp feeling in sgs2 folow the link and post there hehehe
If you ask me the ics in the s2 looks like a car wreck hehehe its the ugliest thing i've ever seen XD
(bla bla if you hate so much why did u bought a s2? Because it was the best smartphone on the market, and still is one of the best)
Personally I like touchwiz way more than the LG, Motorolla, and HTC overlays. The launcher is the only thing I don't like about it, and that's easily fixed with launcher pro. I personally think the TW stuff adds some nice functionality without causing speed problems. The only thing I wish touchwiz had is the inline spelling correction... other than that it's fine for me.
Thats true, tw introduced a lot of things that were missing on gb, but for the best sammy phone it would be expected something better in aspect, not a expensive android copy of bada os
Business and Marketin Wise:
You can't sell a phone and later with an update, force people to change their entire experience with their phone.
So yes, ICS will have TW similiar to Gingerbread TW, there is no escape from that.
Luckily, unlike Apple users, we have options to "choose" from any launcher, even allowed to install different types of Android distros...
However, what I would like is similiar experience to AOSP launcher especially in App Drawer like Widgets, slides etc.
Touchwiz is by far the smoothest launcher for the s2.. The modified 4.5 version is even better..
So ill stick to tw.. Other launchers tends to be battery hungry..
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Better if samsung provides an option in settings to switch between touchwiz and ics launchers. Default being tw will not change the end user experience drastically.
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Unfortunately thats not gonna happen, but we have the option to install a custom ics launcher like nova launcher or trebuchet, and enjoy ics but the framework of samsung will be there =(
Gorjess said:
Touchwiz is by far the smoothest launcher for the s2.. The modified 4.5 version is even better..
So ill stick to tw.. Other launchers tends to be battery hungry..
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You see the problem is that any other UI on top of vanilla android is just a wrapper. At an expense. Sense, Motoblur, Tw all consume extra resources. I hear you say, "but our phones have monster resources". True, although unless the interface is offering extra functionality compared to stock, why use a wrapper?
After all the current iteration of android; ICS has proven that as an OS, android has matured in functionality, UX and eye candy. The only reason I use Tw on my phone is cause it enables video calling via the phone, which I hardly every use. Why should I be strongly coupled to Tw just cause I can not get that functionality form stock? I don't know. Here's hoping video calling get implemented in the stock Phone.apk soon...
A lot of people say Launcher pro and other 3rd part launchers are a smooth as TW but its a false smooth. In order to be smooth they must use a high CPU clock speed which chews up the battery. TW uses the GPU to make it fast and smooth. Underclock your CPU to 500mHz and try LP etc. and compare them to TW. TW will still run smooth but 3rd party launchers will stutter.
Initially I didn't like TouchWiz because of its rather iPhone-ish icons which in my opinion looked pretty bad on the original SGS which had an older version of TouchWiz.
After trying it out myself, though, I've gotten used to it and am starting to like it more than LP because of the ability to resize widgets and so on.
Its inevitable that Sammy would include TW into the update of one of their flagship devices. While I do like the original interface of stock ICS I wouldn't mind having TouchWiz in ICS since it was rather pleasant to use in Gingerbread.
If anyone really hates TouchWiz that badly, an AOSP version would be released by CyanogenMod anyways.
I love touch wiz its so cool ..!!
BUt when it comes to ICS
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A lot of people say Launcher pro and other 3rd part launchers are a smooth as TW but its a false smooth. In order to be smooth they must use a high CPU clock speed which chews up the battery. TW uses the GPU to make it fast and smooth. Underclock your CPU to 500mHz and try LP etc. and compare them to TW. TW will still run smooth but 3rd party launchers will stutter.
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Indeed, but with ics the ui is hardware accelerated so the advantage of tw is lost
unless they make a real improvement from the leaked alpha to final, its almost certain that ill stick with cm9 when the time comes....
crobat said:
Initially I didn't like TouchWiz because of its rather iPhone-ish icons which in my opinion looked pretty bad on the original SGS which had an older version of TouchWiz.
After trying it out myself, though, I've gotten used to it and am starting to like it more than LP because of the ability to resize widgets and so on.
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i personally use adw ex and its pretty good no lags, lacks some tw options but have plenty of room for customization, and goes great with ics 1.6 theme by the great vert XD
i like TouchWiz when its gingerbread........
but i like ics framework and launcher than TW4.....
so i want to install ics launcher and frameworks very badly.......
Tyrany said:
Unfortunately thats not gonna happen, but we have the option to install a custom ics launcher like nova launcher or trebuchet, and enjoy ics but the framework of samsung will be there =(
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CM9 anyone?
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AOSP all the way for me. I'm looking forward to the necessary code being ripped from the Samsung "release" and being applied to the Nexus build. I've always much preferred to start with the basic AOSP experience and then build from there up.
As for the comments about GPU acceleration, this is not something new that is being brought about by ICS. GPU acceleration is an option that developers can enable in their apps when they build them. It needs nothing more than a value being set to true in a manifest file. The only difference between GB and ICS is that it is on by default in ICS.
You can't say that existing launchers don't use GPU unless you've decompiled the apk and checked. My guess is that any developer worth their salt would know this, and would be using GPU acceleration already.
Trebuchet launcher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4s2EVdvKeY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1396647
For the AOSP lovers like me hehehe folow the link and lets help supercurio lets make the diference xD
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TW is the only launcher i've tried so far that maintains iOS-like smoothness on full widget/shortcut load over 5 pages. Everything else either skip frames or just plain stutters in this task.
and dont even get me started on the yet unmatched spectrum of hardware video codec support that the TW framework provides.
Hi all. As you might have heard the official Samsung ICS update for our beautiful Note has started rolling out in Europe today. I'm just wondering whether people will be using it or whether they are happy with their custom ICS roms. What are the pros and cons of each?
I'm still on imilka's Cm9 v2, as it works flawlessly on my Note. But I should update soon and want to know what people more experienced than me think (I've only been playing around with flashing for a couple of months)
Thanks
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I m going with Official ICS as I feel that our phone is incomplete without Touchwiz apps like S-Pen, S-memo, etc.
The day I will lose my Stylus, I will jump straight away to CM9. LOL.
CM9 is purely for better performance whereas Samsung ICS is for better user-experience.
I stay with TouchWiz Apps but other Launcher.
I think Nova Launcher is the best Launcher, those Folders and Docks are awesome !
Cyanogen definitely as I don't want this crappy Touchwizz on my Note.
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Cyanogen definitely as I don't want this crappy Touchwizz on my Note.
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change the launcher then, there are alternatives out there
TW-Launcher on ICS is smooooooooth as hell but i would miss the custom docks, custom icons and those great folders from Nova Launcher !
Cyanogenmod.
I don't think I will be writing formulas on a phone..........
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CM9 is great, but I also do not wanna miss the Stylus-Apps now even better with Premium Suite...
Official ICS.
I tried a few AOSP roms, but can't live without proper stylus support. I've gotten too used to it.
Richy99 said:
change the launcher then, there are alternatives out there
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Why should I have a heavier ROM with useless things when I can have a light ROM smooth and fast and everything I need
How much of a performance difference is there between official ICS with 3rd party launcher and a custom rom? Would you feel this in everyday use?
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I'm sure even without Touchwiz, there will be awesome developers porting Samsung apps over in future. Currently, you can choose both of them to your preference. If you usually take notes and enjoying Sammy's apps then by all means use the stock ICS ROM.
After using imilkas ICS/CM9 and then going back to GB I realised how much lag there was on the note and stock roms... so I guess my question would be...is it as seamless, performance wise, as CM9? (In terms of basic features and performance like swioing between pages and launching apps and transitions ?)
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I'm on CM9 but would like to try the Stock ICS, but that's more because of a compulsive flashing disease I must have. Well in fact I would like to have FM radio app, so that's my excuse for flashing the official ROM. I can always install another launcher like nova and still use Samsung apps anyway ? I mean touchwizz is not just a launcher right, it's a whole framework that's "there" even if i use another launcher ?
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I'm on CM9 but would like to try the Stock ICS, but that's more because of a compulsive flashing disease I must have. Well in fact I would like to have FM radio app, so that's my excuse for flashing the official ROM. I can always install another launcher like nova and still use Samsung apps anyway ? I mean touchwizz is not just a launcher right, it's a whole framework that's "there" even if i use another launcher ?
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Correct.
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Correct.
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Thanks for the answer. As I read TW won't work well in tablet mode, I guess even if i use a apex launcher for example, I won't be able to get a working tablet mode with official ICS + apex launcher ?
I think I'll give the official ICS a try before giving my final judgement .
Anybody knows if the euro ics ROMs support RTL (I.e Arabic text)?
Painless001 said:
How much of a performance difference is there between official ICS with 3rd party launcher and a custom rom? Would you feel this in everyday use?
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Under GB I tried stock ROM and custom ROMs, the difference between these two kind of ROMs was noticeable.
And I like things clean, so I don't want useles things on my phone.
All ROMs I use are also cleaned by myself using System Tuner Pro and removing all applications I don't use (like Email for example, I only use Gmail, wallpapers, animated wallpapers etc.)
And AFAIK with stock ROM I cannot remove Samsung's crap so CM9 is my best friend.
With OpenDESIGN coming in the next few hours, you'll never say that you miss S-Memo and pen gestures anymore
I've come straight from CM9 and despite the annoyance of Samsung's bloatware I feel that ICS is a lot smoother on the official ROM. The only thing I would like to know is if there is a way to get the stock ICS keyboard. The ones in the Play Store seem to been twatted about with and don't seem to offer the proper ICS autocorrect infrastructure unless I'm mistaken.
Hey guys sup!
After testing the leaked JB ROM for the Note 10.1 i've noticed that the theme on these last leaked ROMS (Note 10.1 and Galaxy S2) are very ICS like... Is that Sammy's fault or thats just on purpose?
Just saying, after having Nexus and Cyanogen experience, the smoothness of everything is something that I miss on those releases... or that's just something we'll be seeing on leaked ROMs?
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Hey guys sup!
After testing the leaked JB ROM for the Note 10.1 i've noticed that the theme on these last leaked ROMS (Note 10.1 and Galaxy S2) are very ICS like... Is that Sammy's fault or thats just on purpose?
Just saying, after having Nexus and Cyanogen experience, the smoothness of everything is something that I miss on those releases... or that's just something we'll be seeing on leaked ROMs?
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The German ROM's final so if you've seen that you've seen Samsung's interpretation of JB on the Note. Samsung and HTC don't change their UI's to match new design changes that Google releases so they pretty much end up always looking the same. I personally don't care as long as they work and transitions and other UI-related stuff are much smoother and faster in the German ROM. Most of the coolest stuff in JB for the Note has nothing to do with Google and are Samsung features.
Google's not that great at UI design (but their getting better) and some of Samsung and HTC's approaches to getting stuff done are more efficient. Things Samsung and HTC have used in their overlays for a while are now in stock 4.2; like the notification drop down. Everyone's so hot for "pure Google" but other than the fact there's no overlay it's not any better from a usability perspective compared to some of the better overlays. In fact, in 4.2, some things are worse. I always ask people railing on TouchWiz or Sense to tell me what they like better in stock Android. The answer's pretty much always "but it's 'pure Google" or "that's the way Google wants Android to be." That's not really an answer. I think Google using the phone UI on the N10 is really stupid and is putting consistency over function. Having a clock and notification bar that's 1/3" tall on a 10" SHD display is really just stupid and poor use of real estate. So just because it's "pure" and from Google doesn't guarantee that it's "better."
Agree with you the reason why note is liked so much is because of the features Samsung has added which google never realized to add and yet we say the stock rom is better Samsung has taken S3, N2, N10.1 to a new level by adding customization and developement of android to an extent which google never thought about. Yet we say the stock experience is better. I dont know how it is may be it is slightly quicker but how does that make it better.
I said this again if i have to chose between stock N10 i will chose IPAD 4 instead because its much better then if I have to stay on stock
Hello everyone,
I'll be getting galaxy tab 10.1 soon, but I have a question.
I personally love Touchwiz from Samsung, and they have become much better from the past.
I don't think android will be as feature full without Touchwiz, especially with the toggles, bottom dock bar, nicer UI, tweaked browser, etc.
Even though I didn't have galaxy tab 10.1 before, I know all these because I used to have Acer iconia a500, and there was a touchwiz rom from the galaxy tab ported to acer iconia. I liked it a lot, but the battery drained super fast for some reason.
Anyway, the developer for that rom for Iconia started from Android 3.1 and even though the galaxy tab 10.1 didn't get 3.2 update, where Iconia got it, he could make the touchwiz rom from galaxy to be based on 3.2 for Iconia. I hope you know what I mean..
So since there are quite a few jelly bean roms available for galaxy tab 10.1, is there a jelly bean rom that has the touchwiz overlay?
I hope there is or will be.
Thank you!
No. Only official 4.0.4.
Port Remics_UX
Stupid idea from a noob:
- make a titanium backup from all apps of the tab 2 (which already has JB)
- flash CM10 or similar to the Tab 10.1
- restore apps of tab 2 to the Tab 10.1 with titanium backup
In case of any real chance to work, I'm willing to try this.
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Stupid idea from a noob:
- make a titanium backup from all apps of the tab 2 (which already has JB)
- flash CM10 or similar to the Tab 10.1
- restore apps of tab 2 to the Tab 10.1 with titanium backup
In case of any real chance to work, I'm willing to try this.
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4.1.2 apps (like stuff you would get from the play store) that work on tab 2 jellybean will likely work on the original tab 10.1 running cm10...but the op is talking about wanting touchwiz jb. Touchwiz isn't an app, it's Samsung UI framework. It is not a good idea to flash an incompatible framework package onto a rom that wasn't designed for it.
The closest I have gotten to jelly bean smoothness on stock ICS is by using Pimp my Rom tweaks. No lie it runs way smoother than usual.
Something like this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2065201
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Something like this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2065201
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Exactly! Building that for the P7510 would cover everything I could imagine. Or even more ...
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Something like this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2065201
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I don't know if that rom will have it soon but right now, it doesn't have tw style setting, miniapps, tw notifixation tray, and tw launcher, right? Correct me if I'm wrong..
Those are the reasons I want a jelly bean based touchwiz rom and not a cm10.
Thanks,
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Well, if you want to attempt to port the JB Rom from the GT 2 10.1 to the OG 10.1, you're welcomed to try it out.
Perhaps this will help you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1908008
I have been a Samsung user since the Captivate. I understand the use for Cyanogen on those devices to rid them of all things Samsung. But this device is already vanilla. As I was not a Cyanogen user and am not now on the NOte 2 because I need what the Note offers natively and I like the Samsung apps and native driver support for things like the FM Radio and S Pen apps.
That said I bought the Tab 2 7 that did not have the Samsung apps that needed those drivers so I flashed Cynogen and liked it ecept for the BT issue on 4.2. (Which I realize is not a Cyanogen issue).
That all said I have a Nexus on the way and wonder what are the benefits of Cyanogen on an already Vanilla OS? What am I missing here. Google apps is the necessary "bloat"
Not sure what ROM I will rin but I know I will root and flash as usual but outside of rooting and flashing CWM the clear benefits escape me.
What am I missing?
Because nothing is perfect, including google's AOSP. I'm a big fan of the built-in OTG USB storage via the android vold. A lot of people are getting boners over the chronus widget. It has a nice filebrowser that isnt all bloated up like so many other ones. And the power-widget-pulldown thing is coming together nicely.
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Because nothing is perfect, including google's AOSP. I'm a big fan of the built-in OTG USB storage via the android vold. A lot of people are getting boners over the chronus widget. It has a nice filebrowser that isnt all bloated up like so many other ones. And the power-widget-pulldown thing is coming together nicely.
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So Nexus 7 does nOt have native support for OTG USB? I thought the Nexus Media Importer was a native OTG application? I normally use Nova and Root Explorer regardless of the ROM. I guess I am just trying to wrap my head around the custom ROM thing on a Vanilla, non Samsung device.
Been wondering the same thing. Had the Captivate and now the Infuse. Rooted my Nexus 7 today. No it sure the reason for other Roms like my Samsung phones. Been working on reading up on that.
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Cause CM isn't vanilla. It's a custom ROM with a lot of features.
Cyanogen mod is a custom ROM, modified with may improvements and tweaks. It has always been a custom ROM, from the early G1 days up until now. It brings with it numerous speed and functionality tweaks, not to mention themes and many other customisation features that are not available in stock android.
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Cyanogen mod is a custom ROM, modified with may improvements and tweaks. It has always been a custom ROM, from the early G1 days up until now. It brings with it numerous speed and functionality tweaks, not to mention themes and many other customisation features that are not available in stock android.
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Thanks for a more detailed explanation. . Been flashing Samsung TW ROMS since the Captivate, Always enjoyed the extras without losing the Samsung Apps I liked (or needed for the phone hardware function).
I Never was a flashaholic so I stayed away from Works in Progress and "nightly flashing" , I would find a Developer I like and stick with it.
I did not try Cyanogen until the TAB as it had no hardware feature dependent on Samsung drivers I could not live without. . I liked it. AOKP seems to be a more customizable Cyanogen based or type ROM. Now with the Nexus coming I can compare the TAB side by side and decide to keep one and sell the other, The custom ROMs will have a large say in which one I keep. I never run Touch Wiz or Trechbet and likely will stay with Nova regardless of which Tablet or ROM I decide on.
I did not get the 3G version of the Nexus though so the TAB has an edge in that regard. The screen is washed out though compared to my Note and THAT is disappointing. Want to see it next to the Nexus.