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This is a quick blurb that will make a lot of people happy. Remember the ramhack for the G1? Well, the Nexus One only has 218MB memory available to Linux, despite having a whopping 512MB total. Even the Motorola Droid, with 256MB total, has more RAM available to Linux! I asked about this, and romainguy explained on the Android IRC channel:
<coolbho3k> How can the Droid have 256MB of RAM but 230+MB memfree, while the Nexus has 512MB RAM but only 218MB memfree?
<@romainguy_> there's a limitation in the kernel
<@romainguy_> next update should give you 100 or 150 MB back
<coolbho3k> Very nice!!!
<@romainguy_> swetland can tell you more
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There we go. A "memhack" kernel update in the next Nexus One OTA should give us an additional 100-150MB RAM. Who wants to try to compile a kernel that does this now?
Did u ask him when the next update is coming out.
is that an official IRC channel? with people that actually work on it or what?
niiiick said:
is that an official IRC channel? with people that actually work on it or what?
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Yes it is, and Romain Guy works for Google.
I wondered what happened to all that memory! I still don't understand why 2 1 is taking so much.
Wonder if that will correct the slight and infrequent animation studdering people sometimes see when moving between home screens and scrolling.
That is awesome, I was so happy to have 512 mb RAM it sucks to hear they dont use half of it, glad to hear they plan to fix that. So this thing is going to be even smoother? Also, we are talking about an official ota from google correct? I wonder why they released it with the limitation...
DMaverick50 said:
so we are talking about an official ota from google? I wonder why they released it with the limitation...
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This is a limitation of the 2.6.29 kernel.
The 2.6.32 kernel fixes this issue, but I guess they haven't worked out all the bugs yet.
dwang said:
This is a limitation of the 2.6.29 kernel.
The 2.6.32 kernel fixes this issue, but I guess they haven't worked out all the bugs yet.
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That explains why Cyanogen thought 2.6.32 flew compared to 2.6.29...
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This is a quick blurb that will make a lot of people happy. Remember the ramhack for the G1? Well, the Nexus One only has 218MB memory available to Linux, despite having a whopping 512MB total. Even the Motorola Droid, with 256MB total, has more RAM available to Linux! I asked about this, and romainguy explained on the Android IRC channel:
There we go. A "memhack" kernel update in the next Nexus One OTA should give us an additional 100-150MB RAM. Who wants to try to compile a kernel that does this now?
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Is this like the PS3 where, at launch, they reserved more ram for its OS. Then they released more back to apps (games) with firmware updates Anyway, good news to everyone!
Is this the correct chat room?
http://irc2go.com/pjirc/?net=freenode&room=android
So is there an eta of this official patch from google?
well, what we do want the RAM for, yah for the OS than APPS but whats the deference between the OS and APPs ? well it is complicated as every APP will be running inside a VM made and managed by the OS
What I think : it doesn't matter, we want a good working OS that's fast and nice not free RAM ,that's just there not to be used for any good. If they at Google change it let them do that!
more RAM = less often apps have to be killed to make space for newly launched apps = less processing killing those apps and also more apps stored on memory for quick on-demand launch.
Paul22000 said:
Is this the correct chat room?
http://irc2go.com/pjirc/?net=freenode&room=android
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yes that is it.
Romain_Guy told me there is no ETA for the update but it is going to be included in the next update, whenever that may be. Hopefully not too long !
hope they fix a few other things aswell, i love the phone but there are a few aggravating software issues.
bump for awareness man..
so looking forward to the next patch
Another awareness bump.
Namuna said:
Another awareness bump.
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Really?
It's a pasted irc log, not breast cancer; people don't need to be aware of it.
jsoverson said:
Really?
It's a pasted irc log, not breast cancer; people don't need to be aware of it.
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agreed. How is anyone going to be affected by knowing this?
I used quadrant with ramdisk hack and without.. the answer shocked me:
froyo dk05 with ramdisk hack: 2200~
eclair di18 with ramdisk hack: 2400~
froyo with latest 2.6.32.9 dk05 kernel with rfs: 1100~
eclair with 2.6.29 di18 kernel with rfs: 900~
Froyo
I have a diffrent froyo than you mine is froyo dj29 how and why is yours diffrent
josephrr21 said:
I have a diffrent froyo than you mine is froyo dj29 how and why is yours diffrent
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noob is one of the group of Devs that are getting the leaks before they are released to us.
He is referring to a later, and hopefully less buggy, froyo build. According to screenshots posted elsewhere, that build build also appears to have the modem.bin for the phone.
I am sure that they will release a newer build when they are able and after they are sure it is reasonably stable.
We do not need a forum full of bricked Epics, do we?
What is the ramdisk hack and does it provide any real benefits?
noobnl said:
I used quadrant with ramdisk hack and without.. the answer shocked me:
froyo dk05 with ramdisk hack: 2200~
eclair di18 with ramdisk hack: 2400~
froyo with latest 2.6.32.9 dk05 kernel with rfs: 1100~
eclair with 2.6.29 di18 kernel with rfs: 900~
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pardon my ignorance but what is that suppose to mean?
yeah same here, what does that all mean? lol....
and 2200,2400 quadrant scores are the highest i've ever heard of
Eazail70x7 said:
What is the ramdisk hack and does it provide any real benefits?
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cocochannel said:
pardon my ignorance but what is that suppose to mean?
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razorseal said:
yeah same here, what does that all mean? lol....
and 2200,2400 quadrant scores are the highest i've ever heard of
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If it's anything like a ramdisk on a computer,
it's setting aside RAM to use as storage (program install) space.
That is why the benchmarks are much higher than normal... the speed of file access goes way up.
It isn't worth doing to 'improve' your scores as it isn't doing anything practical. If you wanted to make a ramdisk for a couple of VERY frequently used programs, that might be a different story... but that might even require reinstallation after every reboot. Once a program 'loads' into memory it is usually getting 90% of the benefit installation on a ramdisk would provide.
what it means everything is slower in froyo except for i/o performance
noobnl said:
what it means everything is slower in froyo except for i/o performance
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So is this a good thing or bad thing? Not sure...
Eazail70x7 said:
So is this a good thing or bad thing? Not sure...
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a good thing, they are fixing rfs
noobnl said:
what it means everything is slower in froyo except for i/o performance
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ouch
would you rather have either or?
as in what would our epic benefit more from
hayabusa1300cc said:
ouch
would you rather have either or?
as in what would our epic benefit more from
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He answered it on there previous page.
noobnl said:
a good thing, they are fixing rfs
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RFS is the Samsung "Robust" FAT File System? What is the metric (units)? A +20% bump looks good on a forum thread.
So this means that the system under load in froyo is ~8% off peak capacity vs elcair but the default system I/O performance is up ~20%
Please forgive the newb query - not as familiar with the inner workings.
<--- still patiently waiting for an official stable release
Great Info! Thanks
codest3r said:
RFS is the Samsung "Robust" FAT File System? What is the metric (units)? A +20% bump looks good on a forum thread.
So this means that the system under load in froyo is ~8% off peak capacity vs elcair but the default system I/O performance is up ~20%
Please forgive the newb query - not as familiar with the inner workings.
<--- still patiently waiting for an official stable release
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yup .......
Woot. Bothers me to see people with slower phones trying to shove benchmark scores in our face.
Part of it is Quadrant's fault, really.
I have a Sprint Dev unit as well and it had both DJ29 and DK05 pushed to it in pretty rapid succession. Its made the enterprise email (Exchange) unusable so I'm going to set the phone back to DI18 until the problems are sorted out.
i wonder when someone will post DK05. the existing beta has some touchscreen waking issues for me...hint hint
Wasn't this supposed to be one of the big deals about 2.2? Once the source code is out, will it happen for Vibrants, either by stock or Dev., or are our Vibrants and their crap RFS systems not going to allow it's usage?
the current 2.2 leaks have working jit and have for months. and rfs has little/no effect on jit.
Cool. Did not know that. Thanks. I can't imagine this phone running any faster than with what I have going now so I guess it's doing it's thing.
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wbexpress said:
Cool. Did not know that. Thanks. I can't imagine this phone running any faster than with what I have going now so I guess it's doing it's thing.
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If you look at 2.2 JIT and 2.3 JIT, 2.2 is optimized for Snapdragon and 2.3 is optimized for Hummingbird...
So when we get 2.3, custom or official, we should get a significant CPU speed boost.
oquinones said:
If you look at 2.2 JIT and 2.3 JIT, 2.2 is optimized for Snapdragon and 2.3 is optimized for Hummingbird...
So when we get 2.3, custom or official, we should get a significant CPU speed boost.
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really?
so I guess we should pester Samsung and tmobile again for the 2.3 firmware now lol
Rotaryknight said:
really?
so I guess we should pester Samsung and tmobile again for the 2.3 firmware now lol
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No need. TW is hard at work at porting Gingerbread. In fact, they have a working alpha version of it right now and working to fix the bugs on it.
In a few weeks time, you should have an open beta with everything or close to everything working. Till then, enjoy Froyo.
oquinones said:
If you look at 2.2 JIT and 2.3 JIT, 2.2 is optimized for Snapdragon and 2.3 is optimized for Hummingbird...
So when we get 2.3, custom or official, we should get a significant CPU speed boost.
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A Noob question, is it possible to understand the optimisations in 2.3 code and implement them on 2.2 once source code is avail?
Ugh
10 charactere
Do u think we well ever see a sense rom with gingerbread 2.3.4???
There are like 3 in the dev forum
from the mind of minolta
Infinite76 said:
There are like 3 in the dev forum
from the mind of minolta
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No those r all 2.3.3...
ls1xtreme said:
Do u think we well ever see a sense rom with gingerbread 2.3.4???
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the answer is obviously yes. sense 3 with 2.3.4 is gonna be stock on the mt4gslide so once thats leaked you best believe we will have it. granted the mt4g slide has dual core processor and 200 more ram, so it can handle a bit more, you best believe our phones can still handle it, it wont take much more to run 2.3.4 than 2.3.3 which the mt4g already handles with great speeds. so just give it a month or so before an official build leaks and we will have it.
Almost the only difference between 2.3.3 and 2.3.4 is the Google Framework.
You can just flash the latest one (which is integrated into most ROMs by now, all those supporting Gtalk video have to do it), and you'll get whatever you really need 2.3.4 for.
twilightvanquisher said:
granted the mt4g slide has dual core processor and 200 more ram, so it can handle a bit more
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Both phones have 768MB RAM.
TeeJay3800 said:
Both phones have 768MB RAM.
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no the mt4g has 626mb ram
twilightvanquisher said:
no the mt4g has 626mb ram
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No, the MT4G has 768MB. Check every online spec site. Heck even check the box the thing came in...
There's a command line you can enter in Terminal that says something about ~626, but that does not report total system RAM. I'm sure someone else can explain that better, but the MT4G does indeed have 768MB of total RAM.
TeeJay3800 said:
No, the MT4G has 768MB. Check every online spec site. Heck even check the box the thing came in...
There's a command line you can enter in Terminal that says something about ~626, but that does not report total system RAM. I'm sure someone else can explain that better, but the MT4G does indeed have 768MB of total RAM.
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He probably just didn't realize that the phone allocates a portion of the RAM out of default. I'm on CM7 and it shows 309 RAM used out of my 626 available. That's probably where he's getting that number from.
mackster248 said:
He probably just didn't realize that the phone allocates a portion of the RAM out of default. I'm on CM7 and it shows 309 RAM used out of my 626 available. That's probably where he's getting that number from.
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On all android phones you can't access all the ram, only some .
The is reserves some ram, like on windows where some ram used by system processes
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Jack_R1 said:
Almost the only difference between 2.3.3 and 2.3.4 is the Google Framework.
You can just flash the latest one (which is integrated into most ROMs by now, all those supporting Gtalk video have to do it), and you'll get whatever you really need 2.3.4 for.
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How would I flash just the frame work...i mainly want to be able to use g talk and have the pvc show right not side ways...
You can't have it showing right - because currently the Gtalk app was only built and adjusted for Nexus S, and was hacked to work on other phones. As such, it's not adjusted properly to be running on all the phones with different camera libs, and that includes Sense camera libs. Sense ROMs with 2.3.4 will cure it, if they'll have Talk app - which they might not.
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You can't have it showing right - because currently the Gtalk app was only built and adjusted for Nexus S, and was hacked to work on other phones. As such, it's not adjusted properly to be running on all the phones with different camera libs, and that includes Sense camera libs. Sense ROMs with 2.3.4 will cure it, if they'll have Talk app - which they might not.
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Even when I had the Nexus S if your phone wasn't on stock you still had to find a work around to getting video chat to work on g-talk, then there was the issue of having it work on 3G and not just wifi.
-Remember, Android hell is a real place and you will be sent there at the first sign of defiance-
Anyone going to take a swing at 100% copying the EVO LTE user interface for a ROM? Doesn't seem to difficult. Made a post about it earlier but it got way off topic and died
(PLEASE DON'T STRAY OFF SENSE 4.0)
I'm felling what you want. I also want a Sense 4.0 rom for the 4G, but I don't think there'll ever be one. If there is, I'll be sure to tell you about it. Hope this helps!
As long as people are still making EVO 4G roms, they'l end up making it lol.
I would imagine the system partition is HUGE!
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I wasnt talking about FULL sense 4.0 lol.. i was just talking about user interface tweaks to make it LOOK like sense 4.0. i dont think the evo has the hardware strength to pull of sense 4.0 smoothly
ReapersDeath said:
I wasnt talking about FULL sense 4.0 lol.. i was just talking about user interface tweaks to make it LOOK like sense 4.0. i dont think the evo has the hardware strength to pull of sense 4.0 smoothly
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HTC one V has sense 4 with 1ghz single core processor and 512mb of RAM so we should have no problem
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oh wow. I think we could handle it. You take a swing at it =D
ReapersDeath said:
I wasnt talking about FULL sense 4.0 lol.. i was just talking about user interface tweaks to make it LOOK like sense 4.0. i dont think the evo has the hardware strength to pull of sense 4.0 smoothly
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Im fairly confidant that we'll see sense 4.0 running on our OG Evo's. With the Firerat mod and darktremors apps2sd freeing up ram and internal storage, I think its possible. As I understand it, HTC scaled back the sense UI from 3.5 because it was laggy, and if we were able to rock 3.5 on our Evo's, I don't see why not. At least i hope so, anyway. We've got some pretty awesome devs around here.
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ReapersDeath said:
I wasnt talking about FULL sense 4.0 lol.. i was just talking about user interface tweaks to make it LOOK like sense 4.0. i dont think the evo has the hardware strength to pull of sense 4.0 smoothly
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Odds are anything useful GUI-wise will get ported to 3rd party ICS ROMs. Many basic features of leaked Sense4 snapshots are already there just not quite as slick. I.e. lockscreen widgets.
And remember, ICS runs much quicker than Gingerbread to start with. Only issue with an unlocked Sense4.0 ROM would be running out of space on the device.
Just a heads up
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1557073
Seems that the folks over in the incredible forum have been busy... Might be something to track, if they get theirs running, wouldn't be too difficult to port it over to evo...
evo4gnoob said:
HTC one V has sense 4 with 1ghz single core processor and 512mb of RAM so we should have no problem
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Also from sprint is the HTC EVO ONE (X) 1.5 dual core 1 gig ram pre orders for may 7th but no release date yet.
pedrodog69 said:
Also from sprint is the HTC EVO ONE (X) 1.5 dual core 1 gig ram pre orders for may 7th but no release date yet.
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Generally 2-6 months after any pre-orders.
And idk why someone has to go full blown. Just take the notification bar and make it transparent, change the sense clock, and copy the launcher.
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Also from sprint is the HTC EVO ONE (X) 1.5 dual core 1 gig ram pre orders for may 7th but no release date yet.
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Evo 4g LTE won't be able.to help us in any way
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evo4gnoob said:
HTC one V has sense 4 with 1ghz single core processor and 512mb of RAM so we should have no problem
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I'm pretty sure that's Sense 3.6. Sense 4.0 is too robust for such a low-end device. Of course, to me, there's no difference anyway.
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I'm pretty sure that's Sense 3.6. Sense 4.0 is too robust for such a low-end device. Of course, to me, there's no difference anyway.
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I'm positive its sense 4.0 its just a stripped down version called sense 4a
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im sure the devs would have already have a alpha or beta rom, but unfortunately, there is no kernel to boot ics sense 3.6 or sense 4.
if a kernel was able to boot it then we would have a ics sense.
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Generally 2-6 months after any pre-orders.
And idk why someone has to go full blown. Just take the notification bar and make it transparent, change the sense clock, and copy the launcher.
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Well it looks like someone got the clock taken care of.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1554077
evo4gnoob said:
I'm positive its sense 4.0 its just a stripped down version called sense 4a
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Interesting. Thanks for the info, Mr. Noob . I extracted and looked at the Primo ROM, but the build.prop didn't specify the Sense version.
Current ROM (BootManager Slot 4): MikRunny v1.0 - Kernel: AnthraX-2.6.38.8-TEST
Captain_Throwback said:
Interesting. Thanks for the info, Mr. Noob . I extracted and looked at the Primo ROM, but the build.prop didn't specify the Sense version.
Current ROM (BootManager Slot 4): MikRunny v1.0 - Kernel: AnthraX-2.6.38.8-TEST
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Multiple hands on reviews with the One V on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpqW4lGxJTI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Captain_Throwback said:
Interesting. Thanks for the info, Mr. Noob . I extracted and looked at the Primo ROM, but the build.prop didn't specify the Sense version.
Current ROM (BootManager Slot 4): MikRunny v1.0 - Kernel: AnthraX-2.6.38.8-TEST
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According to HTC, the One V has Sense 4. Seems to me that Sense 3.6 is reserved for older phones getting the ICS update.
Digging through the Primo ROM myself, out of boredom