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Im thinking of getting a Epic 4g when they are released but Im very hesitant on this because what I have read about Samsung devices being "locked down". First off I prefer AOSP over touch wiz or sense, and I hoping to see this possible on theses devices someday. From what I have seen this may come down to a driver issue as they are encrypted by Samsung. I also want to use Wifi Tether too. Id like anyone who knows about theses devices to shed some light on this and help me make a decision. I dont understand why manufactures feel they need to put crap onto of Android when is more usable with out it. I just wish Samsung they just gave us the option of either roms.
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Im thinking of getting a Epic 4g when they are released but Im very hesitant on this because what I have read about Samsung devices being "locked down". First off I prefer AOSP over touch wiz or sense, and I hoping to see this possible on theses devices someday. From what I have seen this may come down to a driver issue as they are encrypted by Samsung. I also want to use Wifi Tether too. Id like anyone who knows about theses devices to shed some light on this and help me make a decision. I dont understand why manufactures feel they need to put crap onto of Android when is more usable with out it. I just wish Samsung they just gave us the option of either roms.
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you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html
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you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html
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This contradicts what I read elsewhere for the better Ill see if I can locate where I read this at, If this is the case why is there no custom roms besides Cyanogenmod? Where is a AOSP roms at? Or is the device just that new nothing is out yet? If this is true Ill be getting the Epic over the Evo
Wifi tether comes with the device, and I have to say I haven't had any problems with its use so far
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While trying this and putting my N1 aside, I'm surprised how much I'm missing FroYo
Any devs that would care to comment on the possibility of a FroYo port for the SGS?
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you must be mistaken there mate
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/
this was one of the biggest reasons i chose the galaxy S over the droid X and ordered it yesterday ... it appears to me that the hackmmunity will grow quite big with the galaxy s series
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in contrast to: http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/content/612-bad-news-droid-x-lovers-droid-x-lockdown.html
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sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.
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sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.
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What nonsense
I'm a little confused about the situation with ROMs myself, coming from the Windows Mobile world. If the entire source to the build of Android on the Galaxy S is available, surely it's possible to change anything, theoretically? It also seems that the bootloader has no or negligible security as to what it can flash.
On the other hand, I've seen claims that it would be impossible to get Froyo or any future Android updates if Samsung don't release them first (I know they've committed to Froyo). Unless the driver model changes dramatically in Froyo, which I doubt since then new drivers would be required for every phone, why would it be any more difficult to port newer versions of Android to the Galaxy S than any other phone?
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sincere advise dont get samsung GS you will be hugely dissappointed. Cancel order if you can or hopefully you will have 14 days return policy.
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Why do you say this? I purchased mine today and so far am very satisfied with
the phone.
Just testing xda app.
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No, it's just that there are different components and layers which can be considered open or "locked down", and you both use different ones.
The bootloader for the samsung galaxy is not locked.
But there is an argument by the XDA forum member psychoace that some of the drivers for the galaxy S were not open sourced, and that in earlier android devices from samsung this made it very hard to create ROMs which are not based on Samsung's own ROMs.
As far as I know, this argument from psychoace was never countered, and so I see no reason not to believe it. (I did not look over the sources myself yet).
So can someone port new versions of Android over to the Galaxy S after Samsung has abandoned the device? I really don't know, but I wouldn't count on it, until someone who has experience with making custom ROMs says it is realistic.
The reason I state this is because other then the graphics, video playback, camera there is not much to shout about this device. The lagging is awful, it can't cope with multi tasking compared to say aswell the desire. The issue with the keyboard lagging. Internet crashing for no apparent reason. It seems as the samy gs cant handle the goodies packed into this device. No trackball, flash or led which is very useful.
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The reason I state this is because other then the graphics, video playback, camera there is not much to shout about this device. The lagging is awful, it can't cope with multi tasking compared to say aswell the desire. The issue with the keyboard lagging. Internet crashing for no apparent reason. It seems as the samy gs cant handle the goodies packed into this device. No trackball, flash or led which is very useful.
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as far as i understand it, the lagging issues are just because of the touchwiz and especially the samsung-widgets. removing the widgets and replacing the luncher with luncher-pro/adw will be the first thing i do when i have the device in my hands. on the other side: the hardware of the galaxy s is very good in my opinion!
@bookwormat:
i think you are wrong! i have read in some forums that samsung has released the drivers for 2.1 together with all other code! in fact i am just pulling the code (including the full kernel) from the samsung open source center (http://opensource.samsung.com/). it's huge, 148MB ... when it's finished i will give it a look an confirm what's in there and what not.
You might just want to take into consideration the fact that the Nexus and Desire had some problems as well right after launch.
The nexus took some time ( a couple of months) to set things straight, the Desire- A couple of weeks only. But it's understandable, since it's 95% identical to the nexus, so HTC probably knew what is going to be problematic.
Also, you're taking things to major extremes. You make it sound like the device is catastrophically slow to the level of being unuseable, and crashes every 2 minutes.
Reality, well, is different. The longest lag i had personally is 1.5 seconds when loading asphalt 5. Every other lag when opening an app- less than half a second.
I'd also like you to refrain from stating one personal problem as a bug in the device, you are the only known member in this forum that is having trouble with the keyboard.
A little search in MoDaCo forums reveals that some users are reporting slight problems with the keyboard, but it's limited to Firmware JG01 only.
It's sad that instead of taking a moment to see if you can solve these problems or helping others find a solution, you preffer to bash the device in every occasion.
For some reason Riz is really down on his SGS and to such an extent that it seems he's got a grudge against the device. Sell it or trade it in if it really makes you that unhappy.
For me it's really an awesome phone that comes with some minor annoyances that seem entirely caused by the fact that it's brand new. So far it appears that Samsung is putting a lot of effort in maturing the software and I expect the issues to be solved within a matter of weeks. In all reality it would take about 10 minutes to setup a new phone and have it operate well without even upgrading any firmware. A simple switch to launcherpro followed by a root with update.zip and then installing autokiller (i use strict profile) will solve 99% of the lag problems.
Battery life is very good after the first initial cycles.
GPS doesn't work right you may all ***** about that.
I'm sure I would be happy with the new HTC's, or even the iphone 4 (the thought of buying into apple's nasty attitude does make me cringe a bit) but I would still choose the SGS again providing they fix the gps.
Perhaps I'm being over critical but there are serious flaws with this device, there is no denying this.
GPS not working - there doesn't seem to be a solution, can't use copilot or googlemaps.
Lagging/freezing - changed to launcher pro not as bad but still occurs.
I hope the boys at samy are working hard to find fixes for these problems. If there are solutions then please guide me to them.
Don't get me wrong this device has potential and there alot of good features but due to issues mentioned above it just ruins the users experience.
I paid good money for this device not so that I could put it down but to use it. I'm just stating my experience for the benefit of others who maybe considering to buy this device.
If there are solutions wonderful p
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For some reason Riz is really down on his SGS and to such an extent that it seems he's got a grudge against the device. Sell it or trade it in if it really makes you that unhappy.
In all reality it would take about 10 minutes to setup a new phone and have it operate well without even upgrading any firmware. A simple switch to launcherpro followed by a root with update.zip and then installing autokiller (i use strict profile) will solve 99% of the lag problems.
Okay - could you please give me link to guide on rooting.
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I really dont uderstand all this gps not working talk.I use co pilot a lot and its extremely accurate and keeps lock in all weathers.Googe maps works indoors to within a house or so and out side gets me within 15 feet or so.I did have gps issues initially until I flashed firmware and factory reset.My i8910 hd had better gps but that was an exeptional phone for gps
Okay - could you please give me link to guide on rooting.
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Download the update.zip file from this thread.
Or direct link here
Copy the file to the internal storage card of the phone using Kies or whatever method you like.
Disconnect the usb cable
Turn off the phone
Press and hold these buttons at the same time: volume up+home+power, keep them pressed until you see the samsung logo.
Use volume rocker to navigate to update.zip and then press home to select.
Phone will reboot and you are now rooted with superuser.
The whole process takes less than 5 minutes.
I'm not responsible for anything
I like the phone but there are problems
1.keyboard has dup presses... solved with HTC keyboard. Also l key in portrait mode doesn't always work.
2. Gps lock not as good or reliable as my I 8910
3. StallING.. fix fixed it the only program that has a lag to load is sygic.
4. Image resizing not working well in gallery and web.
5. Still doesn't always switch back to 3g from edge. Jg1 is better than previous.
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*edit* Feel free to delete this thread admins. I found this has already been addressed in the announcment thread.
Original post:
"So I noticed that G2 and Desire Z forums have been merged due to the fact that they are practically identical other that the radio stuff... but why are a bunch of Desire HD threads popping up here? That phone isn't really too similar.. are these mistakes or has the HD forum been merged aswell?"
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Its a stupid idea to merge these, really. When people start bricking phones left and right... I'm not helping anyone. And usually, its people like me and the other senior members who have to deal with this crap and not the mods... Just because a few foolish people (with good intentions) who have no idea what's going on want this, it doesn't mean its a good idea. One major complaint was that the desire z isn't as active... well, tough ****! How is that OUR problem?! Just because our brothers on the other side of the pond are having trouble attracting development/theming isn't our problem. They need to jump in head first and do their own work if its lacking... I don't care about that really but this is just gonna create total confusion and many $500 paperweights, lol!
How is it going to create paperweights ? The main source of semi-bricking that I've seen is running Visionary, something that I try and steer people away from.
The same custom ROMs can be used on both phones.
Engineering hboot doesn't need to be applied any more, and shouldn't be in any guides aimed at newcomers.
I think you're misunderstanding the lack of difference between the two phones. You still mention a "framework" difference but I don't know what you mean unless you mean the Sense framework (which is purely a ROM issue and nothing to do with hardware).
Thanks for your kind welcoming words towards DZ owners though
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How is it going to create paperweights ? The main source of semi-bricking that I've seen is running Visionary, something that I try and steer people away from.
The same custom ROMs can be used on both phones.
Engineering hboot doesn't need to be applied any more, and shouldn't be in any guides aimed at newcomers.
I think you're misunderstanding the lack of difference between the two phones. You still mention a "framework" difference but I don't know what you mean unless you mean the Sense framework (which is purely a ROM issue and nothing to do with hardware).
Thanks for your kind welcoming words towards DZ owners though
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Radios/hboots will still be flashed and can cause a bricked device. With frameworks... a lot of soft bricks which newbies will think its a real brick but whatever... just complicates things, that's all. Take for example, htc magic forums... complete mess because of the 32a/32b boards being in the same dev section. Brick city over there, lol! This is what we need... same subforum section with Desire z/G2/same general/same q&a/same accessories/different dev. sec/same theme. Perfect example is the htc wizard subforum, seperate board sections. Believe it or not the G2 and Desire Z have extremely similiar boards but they are different. Enough to cause problems. Wait and see... and I understand that you feel personally attacked because you were a big advocate of the merge but its nothing personal. I've been around here long enough to see a bad idea executed and the problems that arise. And no I have nothing against my desire z brothers... I had just heard someone meantion about development issues in your previous dev forum and that was their only reason for wanting a merge. That kind of pissed my off for some reason and just sounds lazy. I'm not judging everyone from the desire z subforum for that one, lone comment but it just added fuel to the fire, so to speak... I think the merge isn't bad but we need two seperate dev sections, imo. That's all...
It's ok, I don't feel personally attacked
I'd like to know what you feel is the exact difference in the boards between the two phones though ?
The only hardware difference that I'm aware of is different physical keyboard layouts (a non-issue, since that's the same issue on most phones, dealt with by software). And different radio bands set in hardware (again, the same issues on most phones, not a reason to split forums, we're not talking about GSM vs CDMA here).
How come the same custom ROMs can be used on both phones if there's such a difference ?
The guides to rooting/S-OFF now don't include instructions to flash eng hboots. And the Wiki makes it pretty clear that it's unnecessary, and lists the different ones for the two different phones if people really want to try it. I doubt many people will be looking at the Wiki when they root/S-OFF though.
We actually don't have any evidence that flashing radios from one to the other is a problem. I posted up in another thread that we really need this to be verified. I actually suspect it will work fine (e.g. the version numbering is in the same sequence across both phones).
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It's ok, I don't feel personally attacked
I'd like to know what you feel is the exact difference in the boards between the two phones though ?
The only hardware difference that I'm aware of is different physical keyboard layouts (a non-issue, since that's the same issue on most phones, dealt with by software). And different radio bands set in hardware (again, the same issues on most phones, not a reason to split forums, we're not talking about GSM vs CDMA here).
How come the same custom ROMs can be used on both phones if there's such a difference ?
The guides to rooting/S-OFF now don't include instructions to flash eng hboots. And the Wiki makes it pretty clear that it's unnecessary, and lists the different ones for the two different phones if people really want to try it. I doubt many people will be looking at the Wiki when they root/S-OFF though.
We actually don't have any evidence that flashing radios from one to the other is a problem. I posted up in another thread that we really need this to be verified. I actually suspect it will work fine (e.g. the version numbering is in the same sequence across both phones).
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You might be correct... I'm just going from past experiences. We can confirm with some version numbers. But I guess time will tell. I do hope things work out. Its just nice to have less headaches though... with s off things can get dangerous, complete bricks. I've bricked a few phones as a former cell tech and its never fun. I even bricked my wife's phone back in the day, lol! But... that's how things go sometimes, you live and learn. I just don't want to see new folks bricking phones with complete s off... I know its gonna happen but we don't have enough proof yet that things are completely safe as far different bootloaders go. I think we should have been 100% certain that cross flashing radios is safe.. etc before the merge. Maybe I missed something and everything has been tested before hand?
I'm not going to enter into G2 and DZ merging, I don't know well enough how similar they are. Accessories for one would definitely work with the other though, right?
The point asked about in the original post, WHY ON EARTH ARE DESIRE HD THREADS BEING MOVED OVER HERE??!?!?!
We're talking about cases, batteries, screen protectors... these are nothing like the G2 versions. Take a look -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=764
Half the threads have been moved! Why?!?!?!
Before the G2 and the Z came out I had heard on good authority that the same radio's could be flashed on either device, leaving the only real difference being the partition sizes which is infact a non-issue.
Although I know of no-one who can confirm or deny the radio point since release
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The point asked about in the original post, WHY ON EARTH ARE DESIRE HD THREADS BEING MOVED OVER HERE??!?!?!
We're talking about cases, batteries, screen protectors... these are nothing like the G2 versions. Take a look -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=764
Half the threads have been moved! Why?!?!?!
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Yeah, something went wrong there. But I think most of that has been sorted out now.
If you see any DHD threads that are still in the wrong place, then please PM the mods about it.
There's loads! Click the link. Half the threads are moved!
I can see 11 on page 1 alone. I'm not listing them all for a mod. This is the second time the Desire HD forum has been messed up...
Well, who wants to be the test subject and flash the other's radio? I would but I'm a broke college student and can't afford a replacement lol.
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Well, who wants to be the test subject and flash the other's radio? I would but I'm a broke college student and can't afford a replacement lol.
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lol, there is always someone willing to try it, but not me, I can't afford a replacement phone at the moment.
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Well, who wants to be the test subject and flash the other's radio? I would but I'm a broke college student and can't afford a replacement lol.
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I've made a couple of posts up in the dev threads on this. Specifically, we have what appears to be a significantly newer radio version (just based on the numbers being higher numerically, not that scientific I know lol) for the DZ Egypt ROM.
Now *if* we could verify this is fine for the G2, it may benefit a lot of G2 owners to be able to try it out. DZ owners can try it too though.
I was asking in those threads if someone who's a bit of a radio expert could perhaps try it (e.g. those involved with writing gfree to unlock our radios).
DO NOT TRY THIS YET UNLESS YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING
(sorry for shouting )
By the way guys, remember the G2 and DZ are both codenamed "Vision" by HTC.
So we can always start referring to "Vision" in threads if we're talking about issues which will affect both phones (i.e. not specific to stock ROMs).
For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
Wrong Section, good question though
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Cm7 nightlies - no longer CM7 alpha
It's true that this is probably the wrong section and I'm a noob too but before they bring in the new rules about minimum postings in the developer section, I'll throw in my ten cents.
Background:
US T-Mobile version of Mytouch4G and had no reason to be unhappy with the stock Rom but just love to scratch an itch and see what happens.
In the pursuit of seeing what happens I successfully rooted the phone to the point of permanent S=off (but not complete unlock as I have no need for that yet)
and over the course of the last few weeks systematically installed and tested three of the froyo builds/ports available on this forum.
Each have their strengths and weakness which are clearly listed so I wont catalogue the details I'll just say the following:
It's a lotta lotta fun! there was a geek in me waiting to get out and I finally see what the true potential is with this platform (android) - It's probably unlimited.
Aside from the philosophical point of wanting to have the freedom to do whatever with and put whatever you want on the device, that rooting facilitates (I’m a veteran of two generation of iphones), there is also that practical point that rooting does unlock the full potential of the device available right now which includes a host of apps already on the market only for rooted devices.
I don’t want to go into all those possibilities here because they are covered in detail in any google search but let’s just say that once you’re on the other side of the proverbial fence, the grass really is greener.
I know I’m being vague at this point, but let me continue a little longer.
Having also owned a number of windows based htc devices through 2005-2008 I’m no stranger to htc sense and some of the useful little gadgets that they seem to have evolved to a fairly decent level in android and I’ll say this:
Take away the surface veneer which is not as bad in the MT4G as in some others (bloatware) and you find that the meat and potatoes of the platform/operating system is all android.
And it runs MUCH better without the crap. – forget about overclocking (which helps and is fun) loose the veneer and the device flies.
And what you lose in the process – a couple of apps – you replace immediately with comparable ones for free down at the market.
So – phone runs better, can do more, has a host of better looking ui’s and themes that all the talented developers on this forum are constantly pushing out – then what about the risks?
I haven’t had a single hitch – not one.
I’m as impulsive as the next guy but I just took it steady with the information overload – carefully rooted the phone and from there, flashing one rom after another has become no more complicated than booting into recovery – case closed.
It’s become second nature.
And I’ve had to do a double take once or twice when something didn’t play out exactly as described but I’ve discovered that I had overlooked a detail here and there and it’s an easy fix.
Point being that there are constant warnings and disclaimers for obvious reasons, but my device at least has turned out to be very hardy – no scares here.
So finally, I’ve been eyeing developments in the gingerbread camp like everyone else and I’ve been wary of the alpha builds because my zero level of expertise keeps me from playing in that league and I see early this morning that an official CM7 release is out for my model the glacier.
At first I run I into problems flashing Clockworkmod to 3.0 and even try to flash the rom and boot from 2.5 with the predictable conclusion of a stuck boot loop all the while not really knowing what to expect from this ginger hype and whether it’s really worth the trouble of leaving my now very stable cooked froyo rom.
Someone then creates the thread a few lines up describing how to simply use rom manager to install the update for CWM 3.0 and at 2am I’m on my way.
I flash the rom and install the additional google apps and what do I find?
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
I won’t be overclocking it as a rule but I get 2805 on quadrant – previous high being in the 2500’s (each chip is actually different so I’ve heard that everyones score will vary)
The device has no lags, splutters, and runs quite literally incredibly.
and the look and feel of gingerbread? – I’ll add to what I said earlier – it’s amazing – it’s a moving graphical, visual feast.
It will seriously rain on apple’s parade when this thing hits the main stream and I think quite honestly that it’s the greatest mobile device operating system ever created.
I know I’m gushing but it really is that good and considerably more impressive than froyo while having the same core navigation and other functionality.
I won’t be going back.
I won’t endorse taking risks with your device but I’ll say it’s worth taking a look.
A few afterthoughts for those asking the questions:
There is a brand new version of the market packaged with the 20110115 version of the larger gapps file floating around on this forum – it also rocks!
Although most apps available on the market have not yet been updated for gb 2.3, they all work so far on my machine with one or two unimportant exeptions.
I’ve replaced all sense functionality with free apps off the market – no loss there.
The device runs smoothly and all functionality is tested and working in the latest release - great job guys doing the work here.
Long and the short of it being …it’s all good.
hope that helps.
Definitely worth a flash to try yourself. I mean it's CyanogenMod so how could it not be good?
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For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
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You would be very surprised at how extremely stable these roms are. I've been running them for a few weeks now and they're definitely stable enough to be your daily driver.
The main thing to consider is that Sense is a highly customized ROM while CyanogenMod is based on Pure Google with some additional configurations available.
Try it out, it's pretty easy to go back if you don't like it. For a while there I was nandroiding back and forth between Sense and CM6 about twice a week, lol.
CM7 some after thoughts
Continuing from my earlier post, I thought I would head off a few questions about observable differences in gingerbread - well the CM7 incarnation:
Android market loads and populates faster.
The wireless radio picks up signals/networks faster and connects gracefully and quickly.
All aspects of the functionality of the whole system and each individual app seems to be smoother and more efficient.
Youtube no longer has that annoying glitch coming out of landscape.
My new 16bg class 6 mini sdhc card finally works and no longer gives me the blank card or damaged card bull crap every time I unmount or remount from usb mode – didn’t expect that one and had resigned myself to going back to the stock 8gb card it shipped with.
The app drawer pops out at you in what seems like 3d while leaving the background wallpaper intact. – so the app drawer just floats while you scroll through it.
Every aspect of the device and systems are customizable – I mean everything – probably in part due to the efforts of the CM7 team.
The stock gingerbread phone dialer app is changed for the better and is obviously one of many enhancements including the ability to program your sip (voip) settings straight into the phone doing away with third party apps altogether to make or receive calls (if you’re into voip)
You’ll have to dig around to find the .apk for the stock car/navigation mode app and I solved that riddle by downloading the free android app(car home) from the market and also installing a third party app (car mode control) which is used to launch it – I’ve been lazy and haven’t investigated yet whether it’s actually necessary to have the go between, but it works.
and swype, if you want it, can be downloaded direct from the guys that developed it at the beta.swype page (wasn't allowed to post the link) - by simply registering to test the latest beta, which is better than in the stock MT4G rom.
Someone report the first post to have this moved.
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Someone report the first post to have this moved.
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Didn't realize it had to be reported. I always assumed that because you're a mod you can do whatever the hell you want.
Well in your case just pick current RC fork from repository and use it normally you don't have to wait for the SR fork. Unless you are dev I don't see why you would want to flash it every night unless you understand basic and even in that case weekly might be fine. I been there done that as flashing new rom everyday as it came down the pipe I tried few CM7A few times let the dev do more work as ill make that my rom when SR is out, ATM have IGv1.1.6 as I flashed it this afternoon.
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If you thought your phone was fast out of the box, this is faster. If you thought it was a bit laggy (like me), it's like getting a brand new phone.
Also, having better experiences with CM7 GB on MT4G than I ever did on my Nexus S. This is saying a lot.
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Also, having better experiences with CM7 GB on MT4G than I ever did on my Nexus S. This is saying a lot.
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Same for me. Such a smoother experience all around.
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I just flashed & I must say it is a much smoother expericence. I love it & its not even a stable build.
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Is this your first Android phone? Have you ever played with a Pure Google Experience Android phone? If you're nervous about the CM7 builds, try CM6. Easier to flash since you don't need to manually flash the recovery and it will give you a feel for CyanogenMod and the Pure Android feel.
Think of the G2, that comes with plain Android right out of the box. Go to a T-mobile store and poke around with it to see if you like it.
I simply cannot stand the HTC Sense stuff... Personal preference.
I had CM6.1 for a couple weeks and I am VERY happy with it. I am waiting another week or so to start using the CM7 builds just because I have been too busy with other stuff.
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It's true that this is probably the wrong section and I'm a noob too but before they bring in the new rules about minimum postings in the developer section, I'll throw in my ten cents.
Background:
US T-Mobile version of Mytouch4G and had no reason to be unhappy with the stock Rom but just love to scratch an itch and see what happens.
In the pursuit of seeing what happens I successfully rooted the phone to the point of permanent S=off (but not complete unlock as I have no need for that yet)
and over the course of the last few weeks systematically installed and tested three of the froyo builds/ports available on this forum.
Each have their strengths and weakness which are clearly listed so I wont catalogue the details I'll just say the following:
It's a lotta lotta fun! there was a geek in me waiting to get out and I finally see what the true potential is with this platform (android) - It's probably unlimited.
Aside from the philosophical point of wanting to have the freedom to do whatever with and put whatever you want on the device, that rooting facilitates (I’m a veteran of two generation of iphones), there is also that practical point that rooting does unlock the full potential of the device available right now which includes a host of apps already on the market only for rooted devices.
I don’t want to go into all those possibilities here because they are covered in detail in any google search but let’s just say that once you’re on the other side of the proverbial fence, the grass really is greener.
I know I’m being vague at this point, but let me continue a little longer.
Having also owned a number of windows based htc devices through 2005-2008 I’m no stranger to htc sense and some of the useful little gadgets that they seem to have evolved to a fairly decent level in android and I’ll say this:
Take away the surface veneer which is not as bad in the MT4G as in some others (bloatware) and you find that the meat and potatoes of the platform/operating system is all android.
And it runs MUCH better without the crap. – forget about overclocking (which helps and is fun) loose the veneer and the device flies.
And what you lose in the process – a couple of apps – you replace immediately with comparable ones for free down at the market.
So – phone runs better, can do more, has a host of better looking ui’s and themes that all the talented developers on this forum are constantly pushing out – then what about the risks?
I haven’t had a single hitch – not one.
I’m as impulsive as the next guy but I just took it steady with the information overload – carefully rooted the phone and from there, flashing one rom after another has become no more complicated than booting into recovery – case closed.
It’s become second nature.
And I’ve had to do a double take once or twice when something didn’t play out exactly as described but I’ve discovered that I had overlooked a detail here and there and it’s an easy fix.
Point being that there are constant warnings and disclaimers for obvious reasons, but my device at least has turned out to be very hardy – no scares here.
So finally, I’ve been eyeing developments in the gingerbread camp like everyone else and I’ve been wary of the alpha builds because my zero level of expertise keeps me from playing in that league and I see early this morning that an official CM7 release is out for my model the glacier.
At first I run I into problems flashing Clockworkmod to 3.0 and even try to flash the rom and boot from 2.5 with the predictable conclusion of a stuck boot loop all the while not really knowing what to expect from this ginger hype and whether it’s really worth the trouble of leaving my now very stable cooked froyo rom.
Someone then creates the thread a few lines up describing how to simply use rom manager to install the update for CWM 3.0 and at 2am I’m on my way.
I flash the rom and install the additional google apps and what do I find?
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
I won’t be overclocking it as a rule but I get 2805 on quadrant – previous high being in the 2500’s (each chip is actually different so I’ve heard that everyones score will vary)
The device has no lags, splutters, and runs quite literally incredibly.
and the look and feel of gingerbread? – I’ll add to what I said earlier – it’s amazing – it’s a moving graphical, visual feast.
It will seriously rain on apple’s parade when this thing hits the main stream and I think quite honestly that it’s the greatest mobile device operating system ever created.
I know I’m gushing but it really is that good and considerably more impressive than froyo while having the same core navigation and other functionality.
I won’t be going back.
I won’t endorse taking risks with your device but I’ll say it’s worth taking a look.
A few afterthoughts for those asking the questions:
There is a brand new version of the market packaged with the 20110115 version of the larger gapps file floating around on this forum – it also rocks!
Although most apps available on the market have not yet been updated for gb 2.3, they all work so far on my machine with one or two unimportant exeptions.
I’ve replaced all sense functionality with free apps off the market – no loss there.
The device runs smoothly and all functionality is tested and working in the latest release - great job guys doing the work here.
Long and the short of it being …it’s all good.
hope that helps.
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Where did you see a link for an official CM7 release for this phone?!?!
Q.Entity said:
I simply cannot stand the HTC Sense stuff... Personal preference.
I had CM6.1 for a couple weeks and I am VERY happy with it. I am waiting another week or so to start using the CM7 builds just because I have been too busy with other stuff.
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You know that's how I felt when I bought the phone. I kept thinking about returning it for a G2 just to get plain Android. Ironically, by the time I finally rooted my phone and flashed CM6, Sense had grown on me to the point that I kept nandroiding back and using it by choice. Ha!
Now I've been on cm7 for a few days and I'm pretty happy with it.
CM7 official nightlies
I can't post a link out but the link to the CM7 builds is usually towards the top of the mytouch 4G Android Developement forum page.
It's constantly being updated and it looks like the latest build takes care of a number of little issues including swype, google car home and maybe the apps pack too
To those voting not to flash, have you tried CM7? What's keeping you from being happy with it?
I just flashed it myself and am pretty happy with it. The experience is much more consistent than the stock Sense ROM, gingerbread is really fast/smooth, and CM7 adds a lot of options for customization. Wifi isn't working though.
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To those voting not to flash, have you tried CM7? What's keeping you from being happy with it?
I just flashed it myself and am pretty happy with it. The experience is much more consistent than the stock Sense ROM, gingerbread is really fast/smooth, and CM7 adds a lot of options for customization. Wifi isn't working though.
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Reboot for wifi to work.
BTW, CM7 is slick as an iced glacier.
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neuralboy said:
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
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This has got to be the biggest fanboism i've every heard on any forum. Gingerbread is not that different from FroYo. It looks the same it feels. it acts the same.
To the OP If you want to flash the most current baked variant of Android then by all means flash away. If not FroYo will serve your needs just fine.
Hi, don't know if this should be here or in a development thread.
My question is, and I know they are very important to this community etc
Why do we need devs?
What I mean is why do the original developers of the software, such as Google, leave it at such a bad state.
When XDA dev's get hold of it, their's no limit to what it can do.
E.g. Network mods, speaker mods, speed mods, theme's, custom drivers battery mods, heat mods, the list could go on.
Why don't the develops make it as good as it could be before they release it to us?
Some simple tweaks such as the networking ones to improve browsing/download speeds, why don't they just do it in the first place? Rather than limiting their users and therefor creating the need for so many underground developers.
Don't take this in the wrong way devs, I appreciate your work, just want to hear your opinions on why you think original devs leave it at such a state, where it could be deemed unfinished or totally lacking.
The oem thinks what is best for the device while other developer may have other opinions.
Eg, Google may think a kernel running at 1.3ghz is better than 1.6 ghz which Dev may think like wise. Also, the Google wanted promote cloud tech, and hence does not allow otg but Dev can unlock this feature.
Dev are there to do things not permit by company
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sinple said:
The oem thinks what is best for the device while other developer may have other opinions.
Eg, Google may think a kernel running at 1.3ghz is better than 1.6 ghz which Dev may think like wise. Also, the Google wanted promote cloud tech, and hence does not allow otg but Dev can unlock this feature.
Dev are there to do things not permit by company
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Hey
Thanks for the reply, and I want this to be more of a discussion than answers
I don't understand why companies do it though.
And OTG is allowed for non-rooted devices. Just some of its features arent, if you get that. Like a mouse and keyboard works un-rooted, by a HDD doesnt.
I'm just curious as to why some of the devs here, such as Faux and Xmoo, havent got jobs at Google so they can teach them a thing or to. They know what the consumer actually wants, and pay attention to the needs of the tech enthusiast.
There is an diference between normal state and improved state. Its better. 1.3ghz processor runing normal and cooler than a 1.6ghz that could get warm and gives some trouble.
Im just glad that its not a locked device giving ours beloved devs the chance to improve it.
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maztahbr said:
There is an diference between normal state and improved state. Its better. 1.3ghz processor runing normal and cooler than a 1.6ghz that could get warm and gives some trouble.
Im just glad that its not a locked device giving ours beloved devs the chance to improve it.
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I see your point
Basically "Better Safe than Sorry" right?
Exactly!
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How do you not see a need for developers?
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It's because people have preferences. And some people just like to tinker with their stuff.
The basic argumentative of yours seemed to be "if it's good enough, then we only need one". But, see , there is nothing in the world that's "best" enough to outsweep everything else. It's always nice to have options
I wouldn't say the stock rom and kernel is bad or "not enough" so the devs have to step out. I think google guys do a great job on stock rom. It's just nice for us users to have some other choices to play with.
In some sense it's kind of like buying flours. We wouldn't say,"well, if this brand of flours is good enough, we only need one brand in the world. Why so many brands out there?" Because different brands might grow in different places, use different breeds of wheats, have different moistures, use different ways to grind them, therefore different flavors. You simpy can't say anything would be that good that one is enough.
There is no limitation in improvement and imagination, and I think that's what devs here are doing.
The devs do amazing work, if only XDA was a tech company.
I know I won't be popular for saying this but I have tried a lot of different roms on a lot of different devices and in my experience it is best to stick with the stock rom, since custom roms inevitably have flaws which only present themselves at the most inopportune moments.
There's a reason why stock roms ship in the condition they're in; it's because all the variables are tried and tested and because a shed load of time has gone in to developing the software to work perfectly with the hardware. Dev's seem to have a knack of improving the software in some conditions at the expense of breaking it in others.
As an example, I once loaded a very popular custom rom onto a handset because everyone was raving about how good it was. Several days later I was at a wedding and took my handset out to snap some photos, only to realise that the camera didn't work in a certain configuration with this rom. The bug wasn't documented and the result was that I couldn't take any photos.
All too often this sort of thing happens; you'll read threads about the latest and greatest rom and how fast it is etc etc, only to then come across a comment about someone whose wifi keeps disconnecting, or someone whose battery life has halved and so on.
It's a bit like switching to Ubuntu from Windows, Ubuntu is fine if you like tinkering but if you want to get **** done, stick with Windows.
Happy to eat my words if someone recommends a fully working rom which is a genuine improvement over the stock rom.
Development can go on forever. My HTC inspire is two years old, and development is still going forward thanks to great devs (randomblame). Big companies just build for the masses. Devs tweak for us geeks that are always looking for more.
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Switchbitch said:
I know I won't be popular for saying this but I have tried a lot of different roms on a lot of different devices and in my experience it is best to stick with the stock rom, since custom roms inevitably have flaws which only present themselves at the most inopportune moments.
There's a reason why stock roms ship in the condition they're in; it's because all the variables are tried and tested and because a shed load of time has gone in to developing the software to work perfectly with the hardware. Dev's seem to have a knack of improving the software in some conditions at the expense of breaking it in others.
As an example, I once loaded a very popular custom rom onto a handset because everyone was raving about how good it was. Several days later I was at a wedding and took my handset out to snap some photos, only to realise that the camera didn't work in a certain configuration with this rom. The bug wasn't documented and the result was that I couldn't take any photos.
All too often this sort of thing happens; you'll read threads about the latest and greatest rom and how fast it is etc etc, only to then come across a comment about someone whose wifi keeps disconnecting, or someone whose battery life has halved and so on.
It's a bit like switching to Ubuntu from Windows, Ubuntu is fine if you like tinkering but if you want to get **** done, stick with Windows.
Happy to eat my words if someone recommends a fully working rom which is a genuine improvement over the stock rom.
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CM7 for the G2 is LOADS better than the stock HTC rom.
Android is a platform of options, our developers help give you more options. They allow you complete control over the hardware YOU purchased, keep you updated on the most recent version of Android, and let you tweak to your heart's desire. Microsoft and Apple lock you in, it's their way or the highway. But Android and it's developers give you the ability to say "I don't like this, and I'm going to change it".
Switchbitch said:
I know I won't be popular for saying this but I have tried a lot of different roms on a lot of different devices and in my experience it is best to stick with the stock rom, since custom roms inevitably have flaws which only present themselves at the most inopportune moments.
There's a reason why stock roms ship in the condition they're in; it's because all the variables are tried and tested and because a shed load of time has gone in to developing the software to work perfectly with the hardware. Dev's seem to have a knack of improving the software in some conditions at the expense of breaking it in others.
As an example, I once loaded a very popular custom rom onto a handset because everyone was raving about how good it was. Several days later I was at a wedding and took my handset out to snap some photos, only to realise that the camera didn't work in a certain configuration with this rom. The bug wasn't documented and the result was that I couldn't take any photos.
All too often this sort of thing happens; you'll read threads about the latest and greatest rom and how fast it is etc etc, only to then come across a comment about someone whose wifi keeps disconnecting, or someone whose battery life has halved and so on.
It's a bit like switching to Ubuntu from Windows, Ubuntu is fine if you like tinkering but if you want to get **** done, stick with Windows.
Happy to eat my words if someone recommends a fully working rom which is a genuine improvement over the stock rom.
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On non nexus devices I would agree. All of the aosp ROMs on my fascinate and d2g had serious issues that really couldn't be overlooked and made the phone unusable on a daily basis.
On the other hand, ROMs on my Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 are a huge improvement over stock. CM is always a solid choice.
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I can't believe no one has explicitly mentioned this...Google and other OEMs have a responsibility towards their shareholders and the market, whereas "devs" (like on xda) have no such responsibility; this makes a huge difference in process and result. As an example, theres a hack for the n7 to get the sony bravia engine, which is kinda nice, but there is no way that sony is going to let google do that legally is there? OEMs have to do things proper and legal.
The biggest difference though, is one already alluded to in this thread previous (imo), testing. Now CM actually does go through a LOT of testing and so on, but there is a sense in which Google's (or other OEMs) hands are tied due to deadlines, whilst CM has no such thing. While it is perfectly understandable for CM to go "here is CM10, btw its beta, but have at it" to the whole world after months of testing, I'm sure if Google did that people would be pissed, because Google releases to general market, they have strict deadlines based on internal product cycles and market variables and shareholder crap , but most of all people EXPECT market products to be rock solid, whereas its okay for something like CM to be broken sometimes. The reason n7 runs at 1.3 in stock and not 1.6 like some other ROM is likely because the company that made the processor probably told google something like "based on our testing 1.3 is the safest speed", people OC all the time, even desktops etc, but there is a "this is what it was MEANT to do according to the dudes who made it" thing.
But, at the end of the day there is no such thing as 'best' which is likely the reason we have SO MANY ROMs and not just the one, doing different things.
The devs are here because people like their devices to do different things and think they can make them better, myself I love to tweak things and so do the devs. Myself I just like to run CM10 on my N7, at least until its stable then I may try out the other ROMs. Also without the devs I wouldn't be able to run my CPU at 500 MHz over what its sold at and same thing with the GPU.
Determining when the development is "done" is subjective. And companies can only support their product in a limited time. Therefore, we need developers to continue where they left.
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In Search of the N7 Rom to End All N7 Roms for our N910T (T-Mobile) Note 4
This file is NO LONGER under constant revision. Last change to TWIZtd rom section... June 27 2017. From now on, new info will be posted as the newest posts. Still some good info here, however...
ODDS and ENDS Before we start....
If you are looking for an N910T datafix (needed sometimes, not always, for N7 roms ported to our phones), look at these two pages for clues. (In fact there are also other models represented here.)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72388883&postcount=2218
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/snapdragon-note4-modem-bootloader-t3273816
And one more thing... I don't always make clear whether or not gapps must be flashed separately from the rom. In these roms' cases, the rule is that *usually* the gapps file is included within the rom file itself. If the rom's direction indicate needing gapps, here:
http://opengapps.org
[*****WARNING****** Updated May 25: A trojan has turned up in the first rom I talked about here, the petbede Norma v17 rom. The devs say they knew it was there and it isn't harmful. I can't chance recommending a rom that virus checkers report as having a virus. It is, say the devs, repairable by deleting the system file involved (which breaks the "nrom" app), but I'm disappointed enough that I'm deleting mention of that rom other than to refer here to my post there offering my test results finding it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72430061&postcount=2349
A Proper Introduction (sorta)
I cannot claim any authorative statements re one rom being "boss" of all the others. But in light of the time I've wasted playing with the quickly growing crop of Note 7 roms ported to run on our lowly phones (it wasn't a waste because I had fun, actually) here's one man's suggested starting place.
A few issues to get out of the way right away. One of my prime criteria for a "good" rom is one that is easily installed. And right away, this looms large.
The N7 ported roms, after all, require up to five moving parts to work:
* The rom
* The kernel (often the rom's own kernel will not work on our phones, and requires a replacement)
* The gapps (some roms, usually those installed with Aroma Installer, have them internally included, but many do not)
* A datafix (often a rom says it will seamlessly connect our t-mobile phone to the latter provider, but doesn't. A datafix file purports to enable the connection even if the rom fails to make the data connection initially).
* SuperSU (or alternative Magisk -- one or even both of these handle rooting privleges)
Next is the issue of what *order* to flash these files in. Argh. I *think* I have the order correct in my listing here... but - heh - no guarantees. I've encountered issues between a datafix file and the SuperSU file.
Now, are all these files going to play nice with your phone or / and one another?
I'll cut to the chase. My theory here, and it is simple, says that (providing the rom is designed to run on our phone) the fewer files we have to flash the better off the outcome is likely to be.
*THE ROMS*
In no particular order, then...
Let's start off easy with a Note 4 rom - that is, based on the Note 4 Marshmallow Android rom but with Galaxy 8 apps and Touchwiz and launcher. Ramrom v10 takes a few tweaks initially to get right, but is solid as rock once installed. I'd earlier given Ramrom a lackluster review, but after studying this whole galaxy (ha, did you catch that?) of Note 4 roms, went back to try again. @Ram121 is the guy behind it, and he is also behind the RamKernel, preferred by many people using our phone (the last three kernels - RC1, RC2, RC3 - he's done work well in the N910T).
Installing Ramrom required me to flash it -- gapps included within the rom -- and then flash (in this order) the Ramrom RC3 kernel, a datafix for the N910T phone, and reflash supersu (root), even though that last file is installed initially by the rom. But once that was done, I was "in like Flint." And as I say, a rock solid, and slightly more conservative, way to start your adventure in N7/N8/S8 roms. I'm linking both rom and kernels by @Ram121 because even if you don't want the rom, you may well want one of his kernels. A few of the above roms, in fact, are already running a ramkernel:
Ramrom: https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/snapdragon-dev/ramromn7-note-7-port-t3535214
RamKernel: https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/orig-development/kernel-ramkernel-t3472138
ApocalypseX_MM
Initially, this rom was more of an also-ran. But with Version 6 (beta) it has become -- along with Race Rom -- my go-to. Single file install includes all necessary elements - rom, datafix, gapps, supersu (root) - all (via TWRP and Aroma) installing flawlessly on my N910T phone. Two additional optional files: a Mod file installs Control_X - which unlike nrom that I never really cared for - provides some excellent eye candy and beyond that additional app installs of Adaway, Root Filefolder, and the like. The second file, Ayra Sound, provides sound enhancements which are stunning even through the phone's speaker.
Again Apolcalypse_X installed *perfectly* on my N910T phone (no screen lock issues as w/ v.4 or some new Norma v18 roms). You can wait for v6 "official" but if like me you want to try the beta (which has been very stable for me):
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/snapdragon-dev/6-0-1-apocalypsexmrom-t3608314
@ILocDogI 's RaceRom.
This rom comes in various flavors now. First, The S7 port been very recently updated to its latest version (v11), and is a very nice, smooth rom for our N910T phone, clean and fast. One of my favorite things about it is tiny; I love having the six icons across the bottom of the screen instead of the normal five. But more seriously, I'd consider it both a daily "use this" rom and a go-to rom to back up onto your ext sd card after install (via TWRP's backup/restore features). That way, you can experiment with the other roms then restore good ol' Race Rom just how it was before you wiped and reinstalled Uncle Wiggly's Wowzer Rom (and had it totally hang your phone--and no, there is no such rom). A variant offered by RaceRom is multi-language... I've not tried that as I don't need it, but if someone else has and wants to opine, please do.
RaceRom also has a Note 4 stock-based version, and it is the *only* version with both S8 apps and also complete Samsung backup that works. I am very impressed with it, esp. if one wants wifi calling (not available on the N7 ported roms). One problem, oddly, was the camera, which seemed completely non-functional on my phone. I am going to reflash this rom later on and try the N7 ported camera with it.
Both versions of RaceRom offer a very solid experience once it is up and running, and it does install gapps and SuperSU from the single file for whichever rom you choose. *Important* - you *will* have to flash a datafix with this rom if you are using a phone other than the N910F, its default. This means one extra download for us N910T users, or likely the users of any other Note 4 phone apart from the N910F.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...-30-03-2017-raceromn7-portn7-s8-apps-t3581199
TWIZtd
TWIZtd Rom - specifically for our t-mobile N910T - is also in the top three roms for me. But as of late, there isn't just one TWIZtd rom, but a growing number of 'em. One of the most unique is one based, instead of on the N7/S8, the Note 4 standard rom but with tons of N7 app tweaks. Why would we go that route, though? Perhaps because we want our wifi calling back... which does not exist on the N7 roms. And as far as stability goes... well, this one is rock solid. If you can do without wifi calling, the N7 version is also outstanding.
Installation is ultra-simple - at least it was for me. As J. R. R. Tolkien didn't quite write, "One file for quick install, One file to find them; One rom to bring them all and in my Note 4 bind them." Yeah, that's not quite right. But the rom is.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...note-4-nov-t3498755/post72255387#post72255387
Murayoshi (Various N7 roms)
@murayoshi calls himself more a translator than developer (and frankly, a number of folks providing these Chinese-based ports are in the same category). Nonetheless, he works specifically with our T-mobile N910T model and has translated and tweaked a number of roms. Right now, I'm playing with the A700 rom, which is one of his newest. Bleeding edge stuff maybe, but like I said, it's fun. I really like the rom's smoothness and quickness... maybe one of the quickest. But it is too early for me to tell whether or not it is stable. Install was easy - it needed only the rom, gapps (I used opengapps, pico), and a kernel (I go with ramrom RC2 which seems flawless w/ the N910T). It recognized data without issue and wireless quickly. Will report back if it becomes my daily rom (I've *still* not settled on that one "perfect" rom). Update 5/29 - he's added a translated version of Norma v18 to his rom list; haven't tried it yet:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-tmobile/development/rom-aurora-note7-port-t3601109
Dr. Ketan
Dr. Ketan rom is a few months older than some of the others, but also has had a tremendous amount of traffic. While it is hard to find the download link (one that works, anyway), once one does find it there is also plenty of help for those with various models of the Note 4. The N910T (Tmobile) phone requires 2 extra files for the rom to function correctly, one (a Dr. Ketan datafix file) flashed right after one flashes the rom itself (and before rebooting), the other an after-rom-installs fix for the messages app which is broken initially. I can say that so far, Dr. Ketan is mighty impressive. And if one wants some additional bang for the buck, a pro version is available per instructions on the rom page:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/snapdragon-dev/n910g-dr-ketan-custom-rom-t2928568
Fails (so far):
So, , I could list all of 'em I've tried. BlackDog, for instance, completely failed on my phone. Even after I flashed various files in various orders to try and get it to come up. I *really* worked this rom... but... Nope. Maybe you'll have better outcomes:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...om-black-dog-910f-n7-port-6-0-1-bpj4-t3593089
This is not short. But not as long as it may get to be, this overview from one man's very existential, non-statistical, viewpoint.
Maybe it will offer a few clues.
Blessings.
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shonkin said:
In Search of the N7 Rom to End All N7 Roms for our N910T (T-Mobile) Note 4
I cannot claim any authorative statements re one rom being "boss" of all the others. But in light of the time I've wasted playing with the quickly growing crop of Note 7 roms ported to run on our lowly phones (it wasn't a waste because I had fun, actually) here's one man's suggested starting place.
A few issues to get out of the way right away. One of my prime criteria for a "good" rom is one that is easily installed. And right away, this looms large.
The N7 ported roms, after all, require up to five moving parts to work:
* The rom
* The kernel (often the rom's own kernel will not work on our phones, and requires a replacement)
* The gapps (some roms, usually those installed with Aroma Installer, have them internally included, but many do not)
* A datafix (often a rom says it will seamlessly connect our t-mobile phone to the latter provider, but doesn't. A datafix file purports to enable the connection even if the rom fails to make the data connection initially).
* SuperSU (or alternative Magisk -- one or even both of these handle rooting privleges)
Next is the issue of what *order* to flash these files in. Argh. I *think* I have the order correct in my listing here... but - heh - no guarantees. I've encountered issues between a datafix file and the SuperSU file.
Now, are all these files going to play nice with your phone or / and one another?
I'll cut to the chase. My theory here, and it is simple, says that the fewer files you have to flash the better off the outcome is likely to be.
Using that criteria, the winner so far -- and *especially* for the T-mobile N910T (other models have some issues) is the Norma v17-based @petbede 's rom (see post #1998 at below link):
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/snapdragon-dev/mm-aurora-norma-roms-t3576018/page200
This rom has a few rough spots but installs very well on my phone (again, the N910T T-mobile). It is a *single file.* No extra kernel, datafix (this headache is gone!), gapps, or SuperSU file. In fact, all those choices are either handled outright or given to the user to tweak choices with via one of the sweetest Aroma installer scripts I've seen. Again, the end result has a few rough edges (a weather clock with chinese characters for the city). And one must remember to activate app icon visibility via "home screen settings" > "home screen layout" > "home and app screens." For some reason that's not selected by default. But this is my winner... today. Things change in a hurry.
It should be noted that a second version of v17 is also findable in that thread, and I left some positive comments about it. It was, however, dwarfed in quality by the @petbede version.
My #2 pick? @ILocDogI 's RaceRom. This rom is a very nice, smooth rom for our N910T phone, in the end a touch cleaner than the newer, more ambitious, but also less polished Petbede rom. But it does (at least it did for me) require a bit of massaging via a datafix and quite possible re-flash of SuperSU. (I should journal this stuff when I am installing instead of trying to remember what I did!) You'll have to peruse the thread to see where to get a datafix file (unfortunately, there are a few different versions and at least one of 'em didn't work for me. Again, I should have journaled....). Use the search term (without quotes) "datafix" or "N910T" or both of 'em. It is a very solid rom once it is up and running, and has the gapps installed from inside Aroma Installer again.
Frankly, I could list all of 'em I've tried. BlackDog, for instance, completely failed on my phone. Even after I flashed various files in various orders to try and get it to come up. Nope. Another very nice looking rom had dead links. Tsk Tsk. ApocalypseX_M rom had the coolest boot graphic by far... except I could never get it to actually finish booting.
One I will be watching for is the promised Ramrom v11. Right now, v10 is available but I didn't try it due to how old it appeared compared to the newest Norma roms. @Ram121 is the guy behind it, and he is also behind the RamKernel, preferred by many people using our phone (the last two kernels he's done work well in the N910T). So something to watch for....
This is a short (believe it or not I was going to do whole paragraphs on each one) overview from one man's very existential, non-statistical, viewpoint.
Maybe it will offer a few clues.
Blessings.
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You didn't try Note 4UX rom?
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ubigred said:
You didn't try Note 4UX rom?
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No. Should I have?
Maybe give the s7 port by twiztd a shot it's quick and smooth running beast mode kernel. All in one install . Rom control included. And many different mods in a separate folder kernels,apps ,boot anise. And whatnot. Also has n7 port just as good.
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shonkin said:
No. Should I have?
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Yes. You will love it.
shonkin said:
I cannot claim any authorative statements re one rom being "boss" of all the others. But in light of the time I've wasted playing with the quickly growing crop of Note 7 roms ported to run on our lowly phones (it wasn't a waste because I had fun, actually) here's one man's suggested starting place.
A few issues to get out of the way right away. One of my prime criteria for a "good" rom is one that is easily installed. And right away, this looms large.
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What is your baseband and bootloader?
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vprasad1 said:
What is your baseband and bootloader?
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I updated a month or so back to EQC1.
ubigred said:
Yes. You will love it.
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Note 4UX is older than the current iteration of these roms.... but I do note it has wifi phone calls, which may be unique among these roms. That's not a big deal for me... but a plus nonetheless. If anyone knows of other N7 rom ports with wifi calling, please do list 'em here.
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Note 4UX is older than the current iteration of these roms.... but I do note it has wifi phone calls, which may be unique among these roms. That's not a big deal for me... but a plus nonetheless. If anyone knows of other N7 rom ports with wifi calling, please do list 'em here.
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It also includes fully functioning User profiles.
This will probably be my daily driver.
Twisted Rom might be a contender.
I would love a Nougat rom that changes the emoji in the SwiftKey to the latest set.
I look forward to your detailed reviews
Quick update: I had Race Rom at #2. Today the devs released v9... and it is smaller, faster, and smoother even than the v8.2 was. Doubtless this comment will be out of date by tomorrow. Hehehe.
captivated1971 said:
Maybe give the s7 port by twiztd a shot it's quick and smooth running beast mode kernel. All in one install . Rom control included. And many different mods in a separate folder kernels,apps ,boot anise. And whatnot. Also has n7 port just as good.
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[UPDATE: I installed the newest version. Install was great, and no datafix needed! But alas... the keyboard is still a mess and on top of that when I opened up the camera to snap a picture at work the phone rebooted. So back to race rom v 9 for me.]
I did try this a week or two (maybe three?) ago. I don't remember what happened to put me off it, frankly. Should have journaled this stuff. I would observe that since you use it (I suspect, anyway) it illustrates how unique installing these roms can be. Human error (mine?) can creep in rather easily. Or the use of a file (particularly that datafix file) can be problematic, since there are differently made files floating around out there.
Any of the mentioned ROMs have camera quality / unlimited recording time mods? Haven't seen it listed as a feature in any of the port OPs.
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shonkin said:
I did try this a week or two (maybe three?) ago. I don't remember what happened to put me off it, frankly. Should have journaled this stuff. I would observe that since you use it (I suspect, anyway) it illustrates how unique installing these roms can be. Human error (mine?) can creep in rather easily. Or the use of a file (particularly that datafix file) can be problematic, since there are differently made files floating around out there.
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Fyi: it was updated on May 20th.
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ubigred said:
Fyi: it was updated on May 20th.
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Right. Just tried it last night. Unfortunately, it has keyboard issues on boot-up (cap key weirdness that can be overcome but not neatly)... but using the camera caused my phone to reboot. I went back to race rom v9. This isn't ready for prime time yet.... though the installation itself did not require a datafix. That's a good thing.
shonkin said:
Right. Just tried it last night. Unfortunately, it has keyboard issues on boot-up (cap key weirdness that can be overcome but not neatly)... but using the camera caused my phone to reboot. I went back to race rom v9. This isn't ready for prime time yet.... though the installation itself did not require a datafix. That's a good thing.
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Thank you for the feedback
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shonkin said:
In Search of the N7 Rom to End All N7 Roms for our N910T (T-Mobile) Note 4
[Update- May 23 2017: My opinion of Race Rom, due to a new v9 release, has gone up to the point it is now my daily rom. The devs are quite professional in their communication, and the rom is both leaner than its predecessor and feature-full.]
I cannot claim any authorative statements re one rom being "boss" of all the others. But in light of the time I've wasted playing with the quickly growing crop of Note 7 roms ported to run on our lowly phones (it wasn't a waste because I had fun, actually) here's one man's suggested starting place.
A few issues to get out of the way right away. One of my prime criteria for a "good" rom is one that is easily installed. And right away, this looms large.
The N7 ported roms, after all, require up to five moving parts to work:
* The rom
* The kernel (often the rom's own kernel will not work on our phones, and requires a replacement)
* The gapps (some roms, usually those installed with Aroma Installer, have them internally included, but many do not)
* A datafix (often a rom says it will seamlessly connect our t-mobile phone to the latter provider, but doesn't. A datafix file purports to enable the connection even if the rom fails to make the data connection initially).
* SuperSU (or alternative Magisk -- one or even both of these handle rooting privleges)
Next is the issue of what *order* to flash these files in. Argh. I *think* I have the order correct in my listing here... but - heh - no guarantees. I've encountered issues between a datafix file and the SuperSU file.
Now, are all these files going to play nice with your phone or / and one another?
I'll cut to the chase. My theory here, and it is simple, says that the fewer files you have to flash the better off the outcome is likely to be.
Using that criteria, the winner so far -- and *especially* for the T-mobile N910T (other models have some issues) is the Norma v17-based @petbede 's rom (see post #1998 at below link):
https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/snapdragon-dev/mm-aurora-norma-roms-t3576018/page200
This rom has a few rough spots but installs very well on my phone (again, the N910T T-mobile). It is a *single file.* No extra kernel, datafix (this headache is gone!), gapps, or SuperSU file. In fact, all those choices are either handled outright or given to the user to tweak choices with via one of the sweetest Aroma installer scripts I've seen. Again, the end result has a few rough edges (a weather clock with chinese characters for the city). And one must remember to activate app icon visibility via "home screen settings" > "home screen layout" > "home and app screens." For some reason that's not selected by default. But this is my winner... today. Things change in a hurry.
It should be noted that a second version of v17 is also findable in that thread, and I left some positive comments about it. It was, however, dwarfed in quality by the @petbede version.
My #2 pick? @ILocDogI 's RaceRom.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...-30-03-2017-raceromn7-portn7-s8-apps-t3581199
This rom is a very nice, smooth rom for our N910T phone, in the end a touch cleaner than the newer, more ambitious, but also less polished Petbede rom. But it does (at least it did for me) require a bit of massaging via a datafix and quite possible re-flash of SuperSU. (I should journal this stuff when I am installing instead of trying to remember what I did!) You'll have to peruse the thread to see where to get a datafix file (unfortunately, there are a few different versions and at least one of 'em didn't work for me. Again, I should have journaled....). Use the search term (without quotes) "datafix" or "N910T" or both of 'em. It is a very solid rom once it is up and running, and has the gapps installed from inside Aroma Installer again.
UPDATE: new version 9 of this rom is leaner than ever and now threatening to take over number one spot...
Frankly, I could list all of 'em I've tried. BlackDog, for instance, completely failed on my phone. Even after I flashed various files in various orders to try and get it to come up. Nope. Another very nice looking rom had dead links. Tsk Tsk. ApocalypseX_M rom had the coolest boot graphic by far... except I could never get it to actually finish booting.
One I will be watching for is the promised Ramrom v11. Right now, v10 is available but I didn't try it due to how old it appeared compared to the newest Norma roms. @Ram121 is the guy behind it, and he is also behind the RamKernel, preferred by many people using our phone (the last two kernels he's done work well in the N910T). So something to watch for....
This is a short (believe it or not I was going to do whole paragraphs on each one) overview from one man's very existential, non-statistical, viewpoint.
Maybe it will offer a few clues.
Blessings.
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I was going to make a similar post about race rom so im glad you did. In my opinion it is the best rom for n910t2 i have. Newest ui.. i love this more than lineage os nougat. But only because there is no official air command port like the oculus port.. if someone officially port air command, not like the tacky one with app drawer icon but one that launches when we eject the pen and closes when we inject the pen, then nougat would be reconsidered.. edge screen port would be nice to.. race rom can use some features i had on dreamux but still awesome without them.. race rom #1!!
Screenshots for Race rom?
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lowkeyst4tus said:
I was going to make a similar post about race rom so im glad you did. In my opinion it is the best rom for n910t2 i have. Newest ui.. i love this more than lineage os nougat. But only because there is no official air command port like the oculus port.. if someone officially port air command, not like the tacky one with app drawer icon but one that launches when we eject the pen and closes when we inject the pen, then nougat would be reconsidered.. edge screen port would be nice to.. race rom can use some features i had on dreamux but still awesome without them.. race rom #1!!
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@shonkin
I've ran quite a few roms. Roms are like battery life, subjective. Depending on preference, you might like any current rom but next version/update you might not. Single file and organized first post layout is ideal, especially for newcomers, when you sweat and hands shake before your first flash
Some threads with multiple Roms in it are far more organized than some with a single Rom.
I've ran blackdog, might be confusing which files to download. V3 consisted of three files just for the rom. V3 rom, v3 update, v3-1 update.
V3.1 single. Don't remember if required data fix.
ApocalypseX_M didn't boot? It won't without gapps, usually roms without gapps will still boot. That boot animation I've seen it in some thread about boot animations.
I mostly run TWIZtd n7, Project L N7 v10, or pvsgh debloated/deodexed qc1. In that order. Depending on the weather and outfit
While flashing, cpu gets the device pretty hot, even without a case/cover on. Add a white boot animation at max brightness and soon you'll be reading mmc_read_fail threads so i try to stay away from these rom types.
Most if not all of these roms are pretty good and can be DD. Now you look for whats not working or missing. When they were coming out you used to look for what wAs working
This was and is a very much needed thread! Thanks @shonkin!
xda_johndoe said:
@shonkin
I've ran quite a few roms. Roms are like battery life, subjective. Depending on preference, you might like any current rom but next version/update you might not. Single file and organized first post layout is ideal, especially for newcomers, when you sweat and hands shake before your first flash
Some threads with multiple Roms in it are far more organized than some with a single Rom.
I've ran blackdog, might be confusing which files to download. V3 consisted of three files just for the rom. V3 rom, v3 update, v3-1 update.
V3.1 single. Don't remember if required data fix.
ApocalypseX_M didn't boot? It won't without gapps, usually roms without gapps will still boot. That boot animation I've seen it in some thread about boot animations.
I mostly run TWIZtd n7, Project L N7 v10, or pvsgh debloated/deodexed qc1. In that order. Depending on the weather and outfit
While flashing, cpu gets the device pretty hot, even without a case/cover on. Add a white boot animation at max brightness and soon you'll be reading mmc_read_fail threads so i try to stay away from these rom types.
Most if not all of these roms are pretty good and can be DD. Now you look for whats not working or missing. When they were coming out you used to look for what wAs working
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Which rom have you played with that's good with battery life? Im using twztd n7. I like the rom except the battery life