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Custom ROMs on official gingerbread

Hi all,
For everyone asking about custom roms ont 2.3.4 here is the situation :
For everyone who have upgraded the MS2 to the Official 2.3.4, no step back is possible to Froyo 2.2 or 2.2.2.
custom ROMs based on Froyo will not work (like CM7/9 from Tezet.)
=> Someone will have to build on based on the 2.3.4 kernel.
custom ROMs based on Chinese GB seems to work...
=> MS2Ginger for exemple.
custom ROMS based on Defy+ ROMs ?
So, who want that the CM or MIUI ROMs are ported to the newer Motorola kernel ? (So everyone could choose between BLUR, CM and others ?)

I say it on an other thread that the ms2ginger and the argen2stone roms are running on an ms2 with stock gb rom. Somebody must make an cm7 with the 2.3 kernel than wie can use customroms.
thanks for your thread.

But my question is, this official rom 2.3.4 does work better than froyo? or the custom rom 2.3.7 de CM7? It might be a dumb question or it's answered in another thread, if that case sorry.
Thanks

Yes i want Miui with the new kernel ! For a better touchsreen sensitivity for eg.
I try Argen2Stone 2.7 RE but i dont see adjust scrips and keep the old dialer from stock rom.

The 2.3.4 brings some bug fixes, and some upgrades.
From the kernel point of view, the same release is used (Linux Kernel 2.6.32.9). So no major bug fixes at kernel level for my point of view. Maybe some parameters changed.
The main point is for the "upgraders" to Gingerbread that can't go back to Froyo.

boorce.com said:
Hi all,
For everyone asking about custom roms ont 2.3.4 here is the situation :
For everyone who have upgraded the MS2 to the Official 2.3.4, no step back is possible to Froyo 2.2 or 2.2.2.
custom ROMs based on Froyo will not work (like CM7/9 from Tezet.)
=> Someone will have to build on based on the 2.3.4 kernel.
custom ROMs based on Chinese GB seems to work...
=> MS2Ginger for exemple.
custom ROMS based on Defy+ ROMs ?
So, who want that the CM or MIUI ROMs are ported to the newer Motorola kernel ? (So everyone could choose between BLUR, CM and others ?)
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I tryed to flash MS2Ginger but the MS2 doesn't turn on.
I don't know.
could Anyone post how to flash step by step ?
tks

I think that the new kernel can improve MS2 performace so a rom based on the new kernel it's much better than the old modded rom.

Simokill said:
I think that the new kernel can improve MS2 performace so a rom based on the new kernel it's much better than the old modded rom.
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I have the same idea...waiting for some MIUI or CM7 based on this new kernel.

I'd like someone who knows what they are doing to de-blur it. I have removed as much as I dare but still have too much moto... rubbish on the phone.

yeah agreed with u guys i wish a custom rom based on new gb 2.3.4

diavolobianco said:
yeah agreed with u guys i wish a custom rom based on new gb 2.3.4
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or new FR

is true. I think it's time to leave the kernel of froyo that is old and start to compile with the new kernel brings improvements and is of GB!

GB kernel is in fact the same linux kernel version as froyo kernel, so there are not any improvements except for some minor patches.... So no reason to leave froyo.
I just don't get why you all guys updated to GB and then you all crying, you can't use custom roms and that froyo kernel is old and why gingerbread isn't used... GB kernel in custom roms isn't high priority in dev right now. Deal with it. GB kernel don't bring any valuable improvements, so only reason to leave froyo and get in GB are you all, who did that mistake and upgraded to official GB without even reading the forum here (because it was already written so many times there...).
No offense please, I'm just sayin' that GB kernel in custom roms don't have high priority, because of missing downgrade capability and because they don't bring nothing so exciting and big or valuable, nothing worth. So when dev update to GB, he can't go back to froyo - and this is quite big limitation...

Actually CM9 does work over Euro GB kernel. It is based on Chinese GB kernel. And I must say Tezet has made some really good progress with CM9.
And Defy ROMs based on Defy+ kernel have also been proved to work on Euro GB kernel.
These ROMs work if we remove devtree.img and boot.img from the update.zip and thus only flash system.
So I guess it is only a matter of time.

Anonymous_ said:
I just don't get why you all guys updated to GB and then you all crying, you can't use custom roms and that froyo kernel is old and why gingerbread isn't used... GB kernel in custom roms isn't high priority in dev right now. Deal with it. GB kernel don't bring any valuable improvements, so only reason to leave froyo and get in GB are you all, who did that mistake and upgraded to official GB without even reading the forum here (because it was already written so many times there...).
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Good sir, your silver tongue rivals that of our finest bards! Please, travel amongst the populace, spreading joy and soothing woes.

Anonymous_ said:
I just don't get why you all guys updated to GB and then you all crying
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No crying here, just discussion, which is what the forum is for. What was your point?

may be it's better to find a way to downgrade.

Kangburra said:
No crying here, just discussion, which is what the forum is for. What was your point?
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I think I said my point clearly... But once again then:
I'm just sayin' that GB kernel in custom roms don't have high priority, because of missing downgrade capability and because they don't bring nothing so exciting and big or valuable, nothing worth. So when dev update to GB, he can't go back to froyo - and this is quite big limitation...
And don't take my words too personal. Easy man, easy...

Sometimes it's cool to have stock ROM. But,it will be much cooler if we can switch to custom ROM's. Stock ROMs are slower and less free RAM than CM7 or MIUI. Now,I'm getting bored with MS2Ginger2.1.
All we have to do is just wait..

hi, did anyone manage to overclock after updated to stock 2.3?
android overclock doesn't work anymore after i updated

[Q] Leaked BL6 Froyo SBF to allow Froyo Kernel ICS on Defy+ ?

I've been reading the thread in the dev forum about the leaked Chinese sbf that is Froyo based but with BL6 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1486731
I was thinking - would this allow a Defy+ owner with either a BL5 or BL6 flashed sbf to flash the chinese BL6 Froyo SBF and then install Quarx Froyo Kernel builds of ICS?
It's been a while since Epsylon's Gingerbread ICS builds have been updated and was wondering if this would be an opportunity for us Defy+ owners to hop onto the Froyo kernel builds. Perhaps even could be the precursor to development of ICS for both the MB525 and MB526 being merged into one build so the dev's can pool together and work on just the one build.
I've only just got my Defy+ so am not well clued up on this- would be grateful for other more experienced owners take on the above before I try and brick my phone!

I think you can use this if you haven't flashed a bld 7 rom. Keep in mind that it is a bld 6 rom so you can never flash a bld 5 rom afterward directly. Also, there aren't many people who have tried it No garanty.
But with a defy+ you can always flash a bld 6 defy+ rom if it didn't work.

I think my Defy+ was last flashed with a BLD5 rom so will have to think carefully if I want to go up to 6 first. I've snagged the Chinese SBF and a Froyo 2.2 CEE Nandroid so will keep an eye on that thread and see what feedback comes of trying this. I did notice one person has already tried this and says their running WIUI which I could never try being on a >=BLD5 rom.
I would like to check what BLD my current ROM has me set at. Is there a way to examine the sbf to find this out? I've tried googling for an answer but am struggling to come up with anything.

In settings > about phone you can find the build number.
You can find the links to the threat of you rom here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=966537
If there isn't a threat, there is a script to check for the version.

Thanks for the heads up on how to find the smg build number.
I split the sbf with http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=550748&d=1300980924 and ran the smg checking script from http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=835336&d=1325246979 against the files and found the last time I flashed my phone I must have already upped my BL to 6.

Then you can try the sbf without risk (apart form losing data of course) as you can always just flash your current rom again and you'll be back.

Why FroYo Kernel?

I have one question.
Why use the froyo kernel at all?
Upgrading ALL defy/defy+s to the latest (rootable, 1321 or 139 preferred for simpler root) 2.3.6 GB kernel would simplify rom/kernel development for the devs. Since more and more defy+s are in use they can simply drop development for the froyo kernels and focus on the GB kernel, since now all defys, whether the old one or + would be running 2.3.6. Any current devs (if they want to retain current status) would just have to switch to GB kernel support for their rom once and keep it that way.

Because the SOC module (green lens) is compatible only with the Froyo kernel.
Upgrading to the Gingerbread kernel means that the camera will be unusable for those Defys.
Forgot to add: Having a locked bootloader sucks.
Trimis de pe Defy CM9

So all defys are not equally upgradable to GB (kernel)?
What kinda BS policies are these from Moto? Locked BL they have their reasoning about not wanting users to hard-brick the phones, but what reason to not allow officially updating to GB for ALL defys?

Unfortunately, no, not all Defys can be upgraded to the Gingerbread kernel and still be fully functional (exception being the Greenbread mod). And the devs can't do anything about it because of the locked bootloader.
Regarding Motorola and it's policies - it's all about the money. Outdated phone -> unhappy people -> they buy a new, updated phone -> happy Motorola.
Trimis de pe Defy CM9

Using Froyo makes sense for those, who want to keep the warranty and have to stick to the highest officialy available version. I had to update because CM roms work only with Froyo upwards.

vap_66 said:
Outdated phone -> unhappy people -> they buy a new, updated phone -> happy Motorola.
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They buy a new, updated phone from someone else. By keeping the Defy stuck on Froyo they've made a lot of people decide never to buy any product from Motorola again.

that is true. the bl lock stops us from changing kernel.
Sent from my MB525 using xda premium

This means that there is Froyo source, but not the driver source for the green lens ?
At this moment, if I want to improve my Defy (green lens, original Froyo 2.2.2), what firmware is the best?
It should support everything (3G, 2G, HSDPA, WI-FI, camera for both photos and video recordings, GPS, sensors and so on).
I'm a newbie and for me it's a bit confusing to see a mod called, e.g., "[ICS] CM9 Android 4.0.4 for the Defy (Froyo kernel)" (there are others, this is only the first I've found... )
ICS is ICS, Froyo is Froyo.
What I gain and what I loose with an ICS "Froyo Kernel"?
Is it ICS or Froyo painted with ICS dust ?

vap_66 said:
Because the SOC module (green lens) is compatible only with the Froyo kernel.
Upgrading to the Gingerbread kernel means that the camera will be unusable for those Defys.
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Well, I've just upgraded to WIUI 2.4.20 (GB) and now I've GingerBread (2.3.7) full working.
My Defy has a green lens and the camera is working, both for photos and videos.
Have I missed something about the thread?

Are you sure WIUI changed your kernel? ROMs and kernels can play mix'n'match.

Motorola has locked the bootloaders of defy
Thus we can only use motorola signed kernels.
Defy has a froyo kernel and defy plus has GB kernel. Both signed by motorola.
Only these to can be used in custom roms. Even in ics and even in jelly bean (Android 5.0) we will have to use these kernels as long as motorola doesnt unlock the bootloader. Froyo build of ics means ics that runs with froyo kernel. GB kernel works only with red lense cameras of defy and all defy+. So only froyo build will work for green lens defy.

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This was exactly why i was confused. Do you mean the green lens Defy cannot be officially upgraded (either OTA or RSDLITE) to GB ? And the red lens Defy can be upgraded to GB?

rogier666 said:
Are you sure WIUI changed your kernel? ROMs and kernels can play mix'n'match.
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Maybe you're right...
Android Version 2.3.7
Kernel Version 2.6.32.9-gb08c3c8
But the 2.3.7 version is GingerBread, whilst the 2.6.32 kernel version is Froyo.
So what's the point ?
The mods are always Froyo but with GB features ?

Defy with green lens can be upgraded to gb kernel but many features inculding cam may not work.
The gb kernel was extracted from defy+. As defy+ has only red lens the gb kernels works with defy red lens also.
Fully functional green lens gb kernel will be possible only when defy gets an official gb update (highly unlikely) or when the defy bootloader is unlocked(higly unlikely too).
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defy green lens with gb kernel may end up in a bootloop.
so thread with caution.
Flashing an GB sbf will prevent you from coming back to Froyo(Downgrading).
Always try to flash using CWM to keep downgrading options alive

Are there no "fixed" GB SBFs to keep downgrade options alive?

No defy owner should upgrade to gingerbread kernel by flashing an sbf. Our bootloader can load the gingerbread kernel, the gingerbread bootloader can't load the froyo kernel.
So when you flash the sbf you can ONLY use gingerbread kernel based ROMs from then. Otherwise you can just flash the kernel you want from the recovery.
It would even be wise for defy+ owner with bl5 and 6 to flash the bl6 froyo ROM so that they can use both builds by just flashing the right kernel.
About official gingerbread: they are for the defy+. Officially the defy has no gingerbread ROM. For some countries the defy even stays on eclair. Although it would have cost Motorola 5 min to replace the camera and battery drivers. Only problem is money for Motorola and the operators.
Sent from my MB525 using XDA

[Q] New Defy owner, somewhat lost!

I recently bought a UK Moto Defy (MB525, red lens) from Orange on PAYG. I want to remove the simlock and flash an ICS ROM on the phone, but am very confused as to what I should be doing. I tried to follow the all-in-one beginners guide, but I didn't understand parts of it. From what I understood, if I flash certain ROM versions, I will never be able to flash ROMs of a lower android version, unless if is a 'fixed' SBF - is this correct? And if that's the case, I first need to make a Nandroid backup of my current stock ROM so the new ROM that I want to flash can use the CG31 and CG39 files?
Attached is an image showing the info on my current (stock) ROM.

You have Froyo (2.2), do NOT flash a full SBF. With what you have now you can use almost all the ROMs here.
Trimis de pe Defy CM9

vap_66 said:
You have Froyo (2.2), do NOT flash a full SBF. With what you have now you can use almost all the ROMs here.
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Okay, but which kernel version should I choose if I want to install ICS (and also which ICS ROM, Defy or Defy+)?

Since you have a Bayer module (red lens) you can use both kernels. The Defy ROMs are compatible only with the Froyo kernel. The Defy+ ROMs are compatible only with the Gingerbread kernel. Also, that seems to be the recommended kernel (GB) by the other guys (they reported better battery life, better performance in 3D, etc). Not sure here, but you need a battery fix. Better ask around before.
Trimis de pe Defy CM9

So I can safely install a Defy+ GB kernel and ROM on my Defy SB525 (and retain the ability to go back to an earlier ROM version)? If so, does that mean that these CM7 and CM9 ROMs are 'fixed' SBFs?

Anyone...?

You're confusing ROM and SBF. CM7 and CM9 aren't SBFs at all, they're just custom ROMs. The only way you'll lose downgradability is if you flash a higher version full SBF, but you don't need to worry about SBFs if all you want to do is install custom ROMs—you just need to root your phone. However, I don't recommend installing an ICS-based ROM for Defy, as they're experimental and lack things like hardware acceleration.

cm7 and cm9 are not fixed sbf but zip files...
and you will retain downgradibility unless you flash a full sbf through rsd ....
See Youtube channel onestopdefy..
It will help you install cm7 and cm9

Thanks guys! As for ROMs, are there any in particular that you can recommend? Ideally, i'd like to try ICS, but anything that makes full use of the Defy's hardware (i.e. 720p video recording) with good battery life would be good.

If you want something that makes full use of the hardware, the ICS builds aren't the way to go, but you could always try CM9 and revert to another ROM if you don't like it.
I'd recommend you start with CM7.1—it's basically the "standard" custom ROM, because it's the latest most stable and well-supported. If you like it and when you feel like taking the next step, see this thread. You don't typically have to wipe your data to switch between CM ROMs, so it's painless.

CM doesn't have 720p recording... If you want to have 720p I would recommend some modded stock moto rom, like MS2Ginger.
Sent from my MB525 using XDA

Thanks everyone for the help so far, it has really helped to clarify everything.
One last question: Is MS2Ginger an SBF ROM? And if so, if I flash it, will it affect my ability to flash to other ROMs like CM7/CM9?

Every custom rom is a. zip file you can flash from CWM! so basically you can jump from one custom rom to another by going into CWM, make a wipe data/cache and wipe dalwik cache, and install rom as .zip! (you don't even need to wipe data if you want just updating a cm nightly with a newer one.)
You can only lose your downgradeability, if you flash an official sbf from moto with a higher be number !
Sent from my MB526 using XDA

Today I flashed MS2Ginger 3.0 but am having a problem. I need to remove the SIM lock using the softunlock method detailed in the Defy General forum.
My stock defy had the correct baseband version (EPU93_U_00.59.01), but after installing MS2Ginger, the baseband got changed to EPU93_U_00.61 - I ran the Baseband_change(EPU93_U_00.59.01).zip in recovery, which said that the baseband had been changed successfully. I then ran GB_Defy_softunlock_v1.3(EPU_U_00.59.01).zip, which reported that the simlock had been removed. Finally, as per the instructions in the softlock thread, I rebooted once with the standard SIM card, shut down the phone, installed my new SIM card, but still get the sim unlock prompt on startup.
Does anybody know how I can change the baseband version back to the default one in MS2Ginger? I tried posting in the MS2Ginger thread but it requires me to have >10 posts to reply...

Anyone? I just need to know how to change the baseband in MS2Ginger...

what's the different between Quarx and Eps3?

hello friends,
I'm the new guy here,but I used the defy+ nearly half a year.And I always use the Qrarx's ROM from the CM7 to CM10.
In here, I read lots of threads about the defy's ROM, and found that there are two Kings ,Quarx and Eps3.
they gived us lots of wonderful defy(+) ROM,such as ICS and JB which the MOTO didn;t update the OS.
NOW I don't known the diffience between the Quarx's and Eps3's rom.
sombody can explain it for me?
Thanks a lot!~

basically its the same rom, only difference is that epsylon mostly builds for froyo kernel (defy, mb525), and quarx for gingerbread kernel (defy+, mb526). of course being two separate developers, they probably have different bugs. but the functionality and feel is the same, as they both port the official cyanogenmod rom.
sent from my jellybean defy...

zakoo2 said:
basically its the same rom, only difference is that epsylon mostly builds for froyo kernel (defy, mb525), and quarx for gingerbread kernel (defy+, mb526). of course being two separate developers, they probably have different bugs. but the functionality and feel is the same, as they both port the official cyanogenmod rom.
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Thanks a lot !
My phone is Defy+, seems I choose the right guy, Quarx!
And I will always focus the Quarx's ROM.
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For CMX, Quarx and Epsilon are planning to use a common repository, so I guess they won't have different builds in the near future.