I recently bought a UK Moto Defy (MB525, red lens) from Orange on PAYG. I want to remove the simlock and flash an ICS ROM on the phone, but am very confused as to what I should be doing. I tried to follow the all-in-one beginners guide, but I didn't understand parts of it. From what I understood, if I flash certain ROM versions, I will never be able to flash ROMs of a lower android version, unless if is a 'fixed' SBF - is this correct? And if that's the case, I first need to make a Nandroid backup of my current stock ROM so the new ROM that I want to flash can use the CG31 and CG39 files?
Attached is an image showing the info on my current (stock) ROM.
You have Froyo (2.2), do NOT flash a full SBF. With what you have now you can use almost all the ROMs here.
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vap_66 said:
You have Froyo (2.2), do NOT flash a full SBF. With what you have now you can use almost all the ROMs here.
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Okay, but which kernel version should I choose if I want to install ICS (and also which ICS ROM, Defy or Defy+)?
Since you have a Bayer module (red lens) you can use both kernels. The Defy ROMs are compatible only with the Froyo kernel. The Defy+ ROMs are compatible only with the Gingerbread kernel. Also, that seems to be the recommended kernel (GB) by the other guys (they reported better battery life, better performance in 3D, etc). Not sure here, but you need a battery fix. Better ask around before.
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So I can safely install a Defy+ GB kernel and ROM on my Defy SB525 (and retain the ability to go back to an earlier ROM version)? If so, does that mean that these CM7 and CM9 ROMs are 'fixed' SBFs?
Anyone...?
You're confusing ROM and SBF. CM7 and CM9 aren't SBFs at all, they're just custom ROMs. The only way you'll lose downgradability is if you flash a higher version full SBF, but you don't need to worry about SBFs if all you want to do is install custom ROMs—you just need to root your phone. However, I don't recommend installing an ICS-based ROM for Defy, as they're experimental and lack things like hardware acceleration.
cm7 and cm9 are not fixed sbf but zip files...
and you will retain downgradibility unless you flash a full sbf through rsd ....
See Youtube channel onestopdefy..
It will help you install cm7 and cm9
Thanks guys! As for ROMs, are there any in particular that you can recommend? Ideally, i'd like to try ICS, but anything that makes full use of the Defy's hardware (i.e. 720p video recording) with good battery life would be good.
If you want something that makes full use of the hardware, the ICS builds aren't the way to go, but you could always try CM9 and revert to another ROM if you don't like it.
I'd recommend you start with CM7.1—it's basically the "standard" custom ROM, because it's the latest most stable and well-supported. If you like it and when you feel like taking the next step, see this thread. You don't typically have to wipe your data to switch between CM ROMs, so it's painless.
CM doesn't have 720p recording... If you want to have 720p I would recommend some modded stock moto rom, like MS2Ginger.
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Thanks everyone for the help so far, it has really helped to clarify everything.
One last question: Is MS2Ginger an SBF ROM? And if so, if I flash it, will it affect my ability to flash to other ROMs like CM7/CM9?
Every custom rom is a. zip file you can flash from CWM! so basically you can jump from one custom rom to another by going into CWM, make a wipe data/cache and wipe dalwik cache, and install rom as .zip! (you don't even need to wipe data if you want just updating a cm nightly with a newer one.)
You can only lose your downgradeability, if you flash an official sbf from moto with a higher be number !
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Today I flashed MS2Ginger 3.0 but am having a problem. I need to remove the SIM lock using the softunlock method detailed in the Defy General forum.
My stock defy had the correct baseband version (EPU93_U_00.59.01), but after installing MS2Ginger, the baseband got changed to EPU93_U_00.61 - I ran the Baseband_change(EPU93_U_00.59.01).zip in recovery, which said that the baseband had been changed successfully. I then ran GB_Defy_softunlock_v1.3(EPU_U_00.59.01).zip, which reported that the simlock had been removed. Finally, as per the instructions in the softlock thread, I rebooted once with the standard SIM card, shut down the phone, installed my new SIM card, but still get the sim unlock prompt on startup.
Does anybody know how I can change the baseband version back to the default one in MS2Ginger? I tried posting in the MS2Ginger thread but it requires me to have >10 posts to reply...
Anyone? I just need to know how to change the baseband in MS2Ginger...
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Hello everyone. I have some questions about the different Kernels and ROMs running around. All the information is completely scattered throughout the forums, and it became almost impossible to get proper info.
I like to be sure about what I'm doing, and currently, I haven't been able to do much.
FYI, I have searched a lot on the forums, and everytime I find a pertinent info, the discussion mixes up discussions about different roms and kernels, or just assumes I know stuff I do not.
My first question is: How can I get know what is the CG version of a Kernel? Right now I'm running CM 7.2, under Froyo Kernel (used the stock one), and I want to be able to reverse everything I do.
Second question: I know there are lots of different CM versions out there, from Quarx, Epsylon, etc... what are their repositories, and what kernels do they use?
Thank you in advance.
Read this :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216982
All the custom rom: CM7, MS2ginger,MIUI... Use froyo kernel
If you want flash GB SBF, use only Nandroid and fixed SBF... Never flash full GB SBF
I have read it, that's what taught me about CG versions, However many ROMs requests a specific kernel, such as CM7 Kernel, Defy+ Kernel, and so on... not sure if I understood if right, but isn't changing the kernel what can change the CG version?
So because of that, I have not messed with anything that requires a different kernel, I have no idea on how to be sure of the CG version of anything
More infos there :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=966537
All CM7 have CG = 4, CM7/CM9 Defy+ are only for Defy+ user and don't have kernel inside and use the original GB kernel CG = 5 or 6...
Thank you! The first few lines of the link already showed me how to find the CG version, exactly what I wanted!
if i knew, i wouldnt flash a full GB SBF.
now that i did it, what can i do?
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if i knew, i wouldnt flash a full GB SBF.
now that i did it, what can i do?
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currently not much I believe. eppsylon3 also got stuck - not able to downgrade again.
perhaps we just have to wait until our devs break the damn bootloader
so we are stuck in this, right?
please devs, HELP US
btw, it stays in motorola logo, a blue led shows, then a green led, then it disappears.
what can I do to make it work again?
I've been reading the thread in the dev forum about the leaked Chinese sbf that is Froyo based but with BL6 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1486731
I was thinking - would this allow a Defy+ owner with either a BL5 or BL6 flashed sbf to flash the chinese BL6 Froyo SBF and then install Quarx Froyo Kernel builds of ICS?
It's been a while since Epsylon's Gingerbread ICS builds have been updated and was wondering if this would be an opportunity for us Defy+ owners to hop onto the Froyo kernel builds. Perhaps even could be the precursor to development of ICS for both the MB525 and MB526 being merged into one build so the dev's can pool together and work on just the one build.
I've only just got my Defy+ so am not well clued up on this- would be grateful for other more experienced owners take on the above before I try and brick my phone!
I think you can use this if you haven't flashed a bld 7 rom. Keep in mind that it is a bld 6 rom so you can never flash a bld 5 rom afterward directly. Also, there aren't many people who have tried it No garanty.
But with a defy+ you can always flash a bld 6 defy+ rom if it didn't work.
I think my Defy+ was last flashed with a BLD5 rom so will have to think carefully if I want to go up to 6 first. I've snagged the Chinese SBF and a Froyo 2.2 CEE Nandroid so will keep an eye on that thread and see what feedback comes of trying this. I did notice one person has already tried this and says their running WIUI which I could never try being on a >=BLD5 rom.
I would like to check what BLD my current ROM has me set at. Is there a way to examine the sbf to find this out? I've tried googling for an answer but am struggling to come up with anything.
In settings > about phone you can find the build number.
You can find the links to the threat of you rom here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=966537
If there isn't a threat, there is a script to check for the version.
Thanks for the heads up on how to find the smg build number.
I split the sbf with http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=550748&d=1300980924 and ran the smg checking script from http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=835336&d=1325246979 against the files and found the last time I flashed my phone I must have already upped my BL to 6.
Then you can try the sbf without risk (apart form losing data of course) as you can always just flash your current rom again and you'll be back.
Hello all,
I'm posting this thread because I'm getting a little confused after all this reading. Basically, I just need some confirmations.
Lately I've been reading a lot on CM7 and CM9 but now I'm also starting to get interested in MIUI.
I've come across:
WIUI
MIUI Pikachu edition
MIUIandroid.com
Motorola Defy MIUI.us
I underlined my 4 questions for your convenience.
So I have some Questions on Custom ROMS
As you can see, I've looked for an official MIUI build for the Defy but I can't seem to find an official MIUI build. These listed above are all 'edited' by someone.
Could someone explain what i'm (probably) overlooking? Is there an official MIUI?
At the moment WIUI and Pikachu edition look very nice.
I currently have a Bayer (aka red lense) Defy (MB525)
stock android 2.2.2 on 2.6.32.9 kernel.
Systemversion: Version.34.164.3.MB525.Retail.en.FR.
Build number: 3.4.2-164
Which means I have a Froyo/Defy/'CM7' Kernel
CM7 and MIUI(GB) are all meant to be flashed on this Froyo/Defy/CM7 kernel, am I correct?
I find the '(GB)' with MIUI rather confusing, it's android 2.3.x but it's running Froyo kernel/Defy/CM7 kernel and not a GB/Defy+/CM9 kernel.
Now, the flashing
If I decide to flash a custom ROM: CM7.2 or a version of (GB) MIUI:
Can I just flash MIUI or CM7.2 RC1 on my current build or do I need to flash CEE or Nordic 2.2.2 first? I prefer not to lose my downgradeability.
I assume a flash from my current build to CEE or Nordic via RSDlite will result in an efuse so I can't flash my full 34.164.3.MB525.Retail.en.FR SBF anymore, or am I mistaken?
I currently have a full SBF of my original stock ROM, just in case.
Kind Regards, Config.
configuration said:
Hello all,
I'm posting this thread because I'm getting a little confused after all this reading. Basically, I just need some confirmations.
Lately I've been reading a lot on CM7 and CM9 but now I'm also starting to get interested in MIUI.
I've come across:
WIUI
MIUI Pikachu edition
MIUIandroid.com
Motorola Defy MIUI.us
I underlined my 4 questions for your convenience.
So I have some Questions on Custom ROMS
As you can see, I've looked for an official MIUI build for the Defy but I can't seem to find an official MIUI build. These listed above are all 'edited' by someone.
Could someone explain what i'm (probably) overlooking? Is there an official MIUI?
At the moment WIUI and Pikachu edition look very nice.
I currently have a Bayer (aka red lense) Defy (MB525)
stock android 2.2.2 on 2.6.32.9 kernel.
Systemversion: Version.34.164.3.MB525.Retail.en.FR.
Build number: 3.4.2-164
Which means I have a Froyo/Defy/'CM7' Kernel
CM7 and MIUI(GB) are all meant to be flashed on this Froyo/Defy/CM7 kernel, am I correct?
I find the '(GB)' with MIUI rather confusing, it's android 2.3.x but it's running Froyo kernel/Defy/CM7 kernel and not a GB/Defy+/CM9 kernel.
Now, the flashing
If I decide to flash a custom ROM: CM7.2 or a version of (GB) MIUI:
Can I just flash MIUI or CM7.2 RC1 on my current build or do I need to flash CEE or Nordic 2.2.2 first? I prefer not to lose my downgradeability.
I assume a flash from my current build to CEE or Nordic via RSDlite will result in an efuse so I can't flash my full 34.164.3.MB525.Retail.en.FR SBF anymore, or am I mistaken?
I currently have a full SBF of my original stock ROM, just in case.
Kind Regards, Config.
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I have a Defy with bayer camera module, all I did for installing custom roms was root, install 2nd init, reboot to boot loader and wipe all data/cache (this is the first step in any of the mentioned ROMs, but please read the respective step-by-step tutorials in case I missed something), and then flashed the desired CM or CM-based (like MIUI) rom
The defy versions all basically run over froyo kernel, as it's the last official kernel released for the device (GB kernels are either leaked or belong to the defy+) , I never flashed a newer one and have tested quite a few MIUI and CM versions, including:
MIUI.us (oficial US MIUI adaptation team)
MIUIandroid.com (British team)
WIUI (Wajk's multilanguage version, and also has an ICS test version, that I also tried)
CM7.1 and Epsylon3's CM9 for Defy (in beta, but more stable than WIUI's ICS for Defy)
I don't actually know if flashing a newer kernel would be any use for these roms, I know defy and defy+ (different kernels) roms are not interchangeable, so I wouln't bother with it unless you are flashing a full sbf rom (in which case I have no experience with)
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Thanks,
If I may ask, What ROM would you personally recommend?
Does anyone know the answer on my 2 last questions?
Config
From the ones I've used for a while, I suggest the official MIUI (gingerbread) if you wan't to be safe and CM9 if you want some ICS sweetness and feel good about dealing with the perks of a beta release. Once we finally have an official (or at least a stable/less buggy alternative) version of ICS MIUI for defy, I'd go with that, definitely
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From the ones I've used for a while, I suggest the official MIUI (gingerbread) if you wan't to be safe and CM9 if you want some ICS sweetness and feel good about dealing with the perks of a beta release. Once we finally have an official (or at least a stable/less buggy alternative) version of ICS MIUI for defy, I'd go with that, definitely
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With official MIUI, do you mean the US version or the British?
For what i know, official miui is from chinese site miui.com. All others have some modification. More o less, all of them came frome miui's official releases. In my case, wiui is the most stable i been using since long time ago. I'm waiting for stable ics miui too cause there aren't an official rom from miui.com for defy. And the reason for that is because cm9 it's still in beta, and miui is based on cm project. All v4 around for defy are just port from others device's roms and have a lot of bugs, especially mobile data. As we know, motorola made our defy whit a locked bootloader whit froyo kernel in it. For that reason is more easy make a rom froyo kernel based. But isn't the unique option. there's a rom maded by walter 79 whit gb kernel that have excellent results, especially In battery life. Cm9 whit gb kernel too.
One more thing: miui (not v4) and cm7, are both android 2.3.x
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With official MIUI, do you mean the US version or the British?
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The really official one is the chinese, the others are, as ldiomedi said, translation/adaptation teams. Some apps may be added or removed, but usually nothing you would notice. I settled using the british version because the phone numbers where formatted the same way as in Brasil ((xx)xxxx xxxx) and the brazillian team was lagging behind updates. WIUI gathers language options, but I don't know about other adaptations.
So if I'm correct:
If I would like to use MIUIandroid I have to get the newest build here, the MIUI.US over here and WIUI just at the forums.
My SD card is getting a bit small, it's only 2gig.
So before leaving my stock ROM I would like to switch it.
Are there any extra steps I should do because of the SD-card switching?
You don't need to keep the rom in the sd after installing it, use each one a bit to see which you like better. Install the definite one and then delete the roms from the sd card, you can always redownload if you want to change again latter.
I know I don't have to keep those files on my SD-card.
It's just that 2gb is getting too small to store some photos and files.
I would go for the GB WIUI rom as it has both nl and fr translations. I tried it in the past and the translations were good. It is also optimized for the defy. The others handle many different devices.
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I would go for the GB WIUI rom as it has both nl and fr translations. I tried it in the past and the translations were good. It is also optimized for the defy. The others handle many different devices.
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Nice, I'll try WIUI I guess.
Do you know the answer on the following questions?
configuration said:
If I decide to flash a custom ROM: CM7.2 or a version of (GB) MIUI:
Can I just flash MIUI or CM7.2 RC1 on my current build or do I need to flash CEE or Nordic 2.2.2 first? I prefer not to lose my downgradeability.
I assume a flash from my current build to CEE or Nordic via RSDlite will result in an efuse so I can't flash my full 34.164.3.MB525.Retail.en.FR SBF anymore, or am I mistaken?
I currently have a full SBF of my original stock ROM, just in case.
Kind Regards, Config.
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A full SBF with a nandroid backup should do for an 'insurance' I hope.
Changning from cm7.2 to miuiandroid gb rom
Hai memebers,
I want to flash miuiandroid GB rom on my Motorola defy.
Currently i m on CM 7.2 .
Please tel me the correct steps to flash the new rom??
Im confused as almost every post say how to update from stock rom.!
Hi there,
I want to ask you maybe a noob question... But I was never flashing other SBF than original SEA froyo.
So, now, when the custom kernel came to us, I have one (only one) big problem with this, it's battery life. And I want to try to install stock Gingerbread SBF to give this kernel another try. I think that maybe this is a problem : Froyo sbf + JB rom + GB kernel + SOC defy. All in one! :laugh:
So, my question is:
Is there any GB SBF which is downgradable? Because without this kernel my camera won't work. And if my battery will be the same disaster as it is now I would like to go back to original froyo. I hope you understand me.
Thanks in advance for any tips.
Anyone? Every information will be useful for me.
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Hi there,
I want to ask you maybe a noob question... But I was never flashing other SBF than original SEA froyo.
So, now, when the custom kernel came to us, I have one (only one) big problem with this, it's battery life. And I want to try to install stock Gingerbread SBF to give this kernel another try. I think that maybe this is a problem : Froyo sbf + JB rom + GB kernel + SOC defy. All in one! :laugh:
So, my question is:
Is there any GB SBF which is downgradable? Because without this kernel my camera won't work. And if my battery will be the same disaster as it is now I would like to go back to original froyo. I hope you understand me.
Thanks in advance for any tips.
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No if you flash a stock GB SBF there is a downgrade path to Froyo BUT it involves flashing a later BL version Froyo than your original - so you will never be able to go back to your original SBF.
You can flash a "fixed" GB SBF (may require a matching NAND backup) which won't change your BL version, or you can just flash a GB kernel (zip file, not SBF) from CWM. Or you can flash a zip ROM which contains GB kernel to try battery life. As long as you do a NAND backup first, you will always be able to reflash your original SBF and restore everything.
But no, if you flash the stock GB SBF you can't go back to your original stock Froyo SBF.
Read this excellent guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216982
usually if you flashed Gingerbread SBF you cant downgrade (so you install only nandroid backup supporting your kernel ) .
but there's a new Chinese SBF with the CG31 and the CG33 smg files downgradable even though its GB.
i know it from milestone 2 but somehow it is possible that after you flash it (not the whole version just the "Fixed" sbf ) you will be able to downgrade as much as you want.
Hi Guys,
I am planning to upgrade my defy from stock ROM to JB.
Is there any SBF available that is fixed than full.
Fixed ROM does not burn the e bridge inside the phone so that I can downgrade the phone to stock.
But with FULL ROM , it burns the bridge and thus I Would not be able to downgrade the phone.
Any info or suggestion would be helpful.
You got the right idea about flashing higher SBF will get you stuck and can't downgrade.
But you have a bit misconception about SBF, those SBF files are "Stock" roms from Moto. Defy has 2.2.2 froyo stock rom as the newest (they abandon it) Defy+ has 2.3.6 gingerbread the most (got abandoned too).
So, there're 2.2.2 SBFs for Defy mb525, and 2.3.6 SBFs for Defy+ mb526, but no "ICS or JellyBean SBF for Defys".
We use SBF only for reverting back to Stock.
Fixed SBF are usually a patch to get a custom rom work without breaking it, not a custom rom itself.
You should read more about SBF and Custom roms. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216982
If you want Jellybean roms, you must use custom roms. Custom roms didn't use SBF to install (as you know, it burn the bridge).
Instread we use 2ndinit/bootmenu to workaround and install custom roms without touching the bridge.
If you interested to try JB, read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1795647
Thank you.
I had mistakenly mentioned sbf for custom ROM. My bad.
So, is there any ROM that is fixed and not full for jb?
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