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Galaxy S future proof?

Hey Guys,
Sorry for that dump thread, but i need some technical opionions to the GS.
I bought that mobile because its for me ideal in size, features and so on.
My "last" mobile was an iphone 3G and i was very happy with that stuff. But now i have the GS and its amazing. So in the last days i checked the xda and MoDaCo forum and found the threads about the point that the samsung drivers are encrypted and the partions are different to other smartphones, so if samsung decide to reject an update to Android 2.2 or 3.0 we never receive that update from the community. On the HTC phones it is easier for the community to hack an version and bring them to other devices but it seems for the GS it is impossible. For me it is importend to use a mobile that i can update & use it in 2 or 3 years.
So take the samsung or send it back and wait for example a bigger htc oder a 3g droid x?
regards
Timo

Let's just say, SGS currently offers nearly everything at the top of the market.
BUT, it would NOT be future proof. Technology advances regardless of any economical drawbacks, there WILL be better phones out there in the future.
Screen - debatable with iPhone4's screen
This really is a territory where personal preference will determine which the better screen will be, the differences are that minuscule.
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iPhone4 Retina Display vs. Galaxy S Super Amoled
CPU/GPU - YES YES YES. THREE times the speed of today's smartphone.
Coolermaster
Hummingbird vs. Snapdragon: The 1 GHz Smartphone Showdown
OS - Debatable so i wouldn't want to get into this. (but might i add this? the community behind android, let alone other OS, has an advantage of being futuristic-proof because of the regular tweets and mods)
Camera - 5mp, pretty darn low comparatively to other smartphones but it's adequate/satisfying after seeing the vids/pics
For me, I would certainly pick SGS. This is a bad place to ask for our opinon, it's a SGS dedicated section! (Trust me, you won't regret it. The screen is the dealbreaker)
Anything else you're wondering?
And no, i don't own the phone YET.
I'll be purchasing as soon as ATT's Captivate releases.

I have the same question he has, myself...
I 100% agree it's the best right now. But Android grows fast. We'll have dual core devices THIS YEAR (granted I think they'll suck battery like a cow but we'll see how it goes)... So obviously, it won't be relevant forever.
However my main issue is like with 3.0... Will we be able to upgrade or not?

Samsung is also what's keeping me from buying a Galaxy S.
I love the freedom of the HTC (specially the Nexus One), and being locked to Samsung with their terrible support is a dreadful sight to me.
I really don't know what to do, since I believe the Galaxy S has the best hardware nowadays but its software is just... unreliable

Yceman said:
Samsung is also what's keeping me from buying a Galaxy S.
I love the freedom of the HTC (specially the Nexus One), and being locked to Samsung with their terrible support is a dreadful sight to me.
I really don't know what to do, since I believe the Galaxy S has the best hardware nowadays but its software is just... unreliable
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in what way exactly are you 'locked'?
the phone is rooted, and i expect a custom rom with froyo soon...

TexUs said:
I have the same question he has, myself...
I 100% agree it's the best right now. But Android grows fast. We'll have dual core devices THIS YEAR (granted I think they'll suck battery like a cow but we'll see how it goes)... So obviously, it won't be relevant forever.
However my main issue is like with 3.0... Will we be able to upgrade or not?
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As BasieP was saying that we'll have a custom froyo, it'll happen for 3.0 (GingerBread) too. SGS will be one of the largest community due to its alluring specs. (my prediction, finger crossed - but seriously, just look at the specs)
Well that's if Samsung would not be able to provide an official build. (With the current number of developers in the community, any kind of modding is really possible)
You shouldn't worry about the support from Samsung. If you don't have Samsung, you have us. Remember now, Android is a community based 'software' (need a better word!). Annnnd best of all, our tweaks are far superior than 'official' builds.

Don't get your hopes up yet. It's not sure wether there will be a problem with the drivers or not

BasieP said:
in what way exactly are you 'locked'?
the phone is rooted, and i expect a custom rom with froyo soon...
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Well, reading the Modaco custom rom topic (I can't post the link because I'm a new user) I'm led to believe that so far nobody can make a custom rom if Samsung doesn't release the regular rom first. So, no custom Froyo until Samsung release its own Froyo update. The same for Gingerbread.
See what the poster says:
"MoDaCo Custom ROMs are based on official ROMs - either shipping or leaked. A MCR release is designed to feel as far as possible like a stock ROM, with optimisations, tweaks and complimentary additions that enhance the user experience. The aim of a MCR is to be ultra reliable for use on an everyday device."
Later on someone else says:
"No I said it would be near impossible to get roms from other sources like Sense roms or Froyo on because of the driver issue. I never said you would never see custom roms. The only roms you are going to see are one's based off of Samsungs release."
And apparently this problem has happened with the others Samsung Android phones too.
That's what I meant with being locked with Samsung.

I think Yceman make the point:
Without official driver from samsung: no update.
So i am sure that 2.2 will be the last update from samsung (yeah the sucessor is announced for Q1Y12.
And this means, that i will give back my galaxy S because i want more than 1 update (okay froyo will be an important update).
Sorry Samsung...
regards
Timo

TimoC said:
I think Yceman make the point:
Without official driver from samsung: no update.
So i am sure that 2.2 will be the last update from samsung (yeah the sucessor is announced for Q1Y12.
And this means, that i will give back my galaxy S because i want more than 1 update (okay froyo will be an important update).
Timo
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Can any of the recent phones handle the Gingerbread for sure?
Do we really know the hardware specifications of Android 3.0?
I'm going to the SGS fingers crossed that it get the FroYo in 2010. HTC Desire get it for next Xmas, as read in many sites.

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Can any of the recent phones handle the Gingerbread for sure?
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We know nothing "for sure". But it is very likely: The first Android Phone (G1),released 2008, runs Android 2.1 just fine, and it is getting 2.2 as well.
The question is not in hardware, but in support. Does Samsung want to support this phone in 6 month, and does the community has what it needs to take the future of the I9000 into its own hands?
As long as nobody counters the "drivers are properitary" argument from psychoace, I expect that there won't be custom roms which are not based on Samsung's own ROMs.
And as long as Samsung's PR does not make a great statement in this direction, we should expect that they won't support the galaxy S in 6 month. Because that is what they did with all their android phones so far. The samsung moment can easily handle Froyo, it was released in Fall '09, and it was announced a week ago that it won't get the update.
That said, support is not better from HTC, Motorola or Sony. At least here in Europe. The Nexus One is the exception, but that is not because of HTC.

Hi Guys. This question of on-going support is the critical one for me. I really wanted to buy the Galaxy S but I've just pulled the trigger and purchased a nexus one !!!
Like any 'bleeding' edge phone the Galaxy S currently has a number of outstanding issues but who knows when, if ever, they will be fixed. At least with the nexus one there are regular updates from google AND there are loads of roms and driver updates etc available.
For me in the end it boiled down to a choice between (a) the Galaxy with its better hardware and features (E.g. the screen, built-in memory, video playback, music player etc) but with unreliable fixes and updating and (b) the Nexus with a not so good screen and poorer selections of apps out of the box but with easier updating and reliable updating.
However, having said that, I still think the Galaxy will still be a good/better choice for many ( most?) people provided purchasers are happy with the phone as is. I regard myself - and probably many of the XDA-developer members as a minority for whom the latest OS updates are important.

MetaDude said:
Hi Guys. This question of on-going support is the critical one for me. I really wanted to buy the Galaxy S but I've just pulled the trigger and purchased a nexus one !!!
Like any 'bleeding' edge phone the Galaxy S currently has a number of outstanding issues but who knows when, if ever, they will be fixed. At least with the nexus one there are regular updates from google AND there are loads of roms and driver updates etc available.
For me in the end it boiled down to a choice between (a) the Galaxy with its better hardware and features (E.g. the screen, built-in memory, video playback, music player etc) but with unreliable fixes and updating and (b) the Nexus with a not so good screen and poorer selections of apps out of the box but with easier updating and reliable updating.
However, having said that, I still think the Galaxy will still be a good/better choice for many ( most?) people provided purchasers are happy with the phone as is. I regard myself - and probably many of the XDA-developer members as a minority for whom the latest OS updates are important.
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A number of items to consider:
1. This phone is being released worldwide. (support is a given)
2. Samsung has released the source code and developed a site to release source code for all their future products.
See here: http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search
3. There is already a custom rom on MoDaco.
4. Since the phone is already rooted, further support will no doubt continue.
5. The GPU on the SGS is just insane compared to what is currently available on other phones. (including the iPhone 4)
6. The Screen!
7. The Screen!
8. The Screen!
Only time will tell how much support this phone will get from the community, but considering it is already rooted and the amount of enthusiasm people have for this phone, I think the support will continue. Even with Samsung's previous history (Behold II), I'm confindent that the SGS will get continued support. I feel this is the beginning of a very important product line for them. The backlash from South Korea alone would be immense if they dropped support. Pissing off customers in your home country would not be a good idea.
I'm definitely putting all my eggs in this basket and hoping for the best.
PS: There's no such thing as a future proof phone. There will definitely be a better phone this fall. But probably none with a Super AMOLED screen.

Do you expect us to get official Gingerbread

After no rom leaks in the past few weeks after JPY I am starting to wonder will Samsung update our phones to gingerbread or leave us behind when Galaxy S 2 phone is announced next Month. I know gingerbread was just announced but usually roms leak out from Samsung regularly most probably so they can beta test
but no new roms is giving me bad vibes

i was thinking the same thing.. only new roms coming out (leaks) are 2.2 not even 2.2.1 ... i would think if they were working on gingerbread we should have seen a leaked rom by now. i have a feeling they are dumping for newer phones.

We wont get Ginger bread if we where samsung would have announced it by now to sell more phones

We will get it.
SGS will get Gingerbread ... Comfirmed by Samsung Mobile India on Twitter Account.

I do remember reading somewhere that Samsung claimed we'd be getting Gingerbread via twitter, if that's anything to go by... Q1 2011 was the 'expected' arrival for it too though I thought? :S like gingerbread isn't just a revision, such as 2.2 –> 2.2.1, its a whole buildbuild upgrade which may require more effort than expected (even supercurio and the cm team haven't made any significant galaxy s gingerbread improvements lately besides their initial work).

Virtualsk said:
SGS will get Gingerbread ... Comfirmed by Samsung Mobile India on Twitter Account.
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They said Ginger beard not Ginger bread and why have the twitter answers been removed samsung would have properly announced it to sell more phones bit they haven't

At a guess yes and a probable for 3 but that will depend upon hardware .
jje

It Samsung wants to stay in this fight ... than they have to...It make no sense to release Galaxy S 2 and not providing 2.3 to 10 milions SGS Owner .... That would be wrong decision from my point of view...
i dont think, ppl will simply move to SGS2 for the sake of 2.3

seems likely to get 2.3 at this point, but it will take some time - they might also have killed some "leakers", we didn't get newer 2.2.1 builds either..

I don't care much for gingerbread i just want now a perfect 2.2.1 rom from samsung with no lag and gps like JM9.

I got the feeling we will , 10 million sold. Would be bad for their name not releasing. But also , i wouldnt be suprised if they dont release it.
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Samsung has told Pocket-lint that it is unsure whether the latest version of Android, version 2.3, will be coming to the Samsung Galaxy S, following the announcement that its new flagship phone, the Samsung Nexus S, will be packing the new operating system when it launches later this month.
Rather than simply telling us whether it is or it isn’t, Samsung has told us:
“In case a new version of Android operating system is publicly announced and released, Samsung will review the possibility of implementation of such new version to the existing Samsung products with Android operating system (“Update”).
"Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation, the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products, the system requirements, the structural limitations, and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors”.
8 December 2010 13:24 GMT
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Source:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37199/samsung-galaxy-s-android-update
Sorry if posted already...

If the SGS brand doesn't get Android 2.3, expect a large noise from the 10 Million customers that will be outraged that a 6 month old phone is no longer supported.

kunjar said:
Source:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37199/samsung-galaxy-s-android-update
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to me that means if we bring a better phone out called galaxy s2 we will not update the galaxy s because the new phone will all ready have the update installed so we can rip more people off
just found this online and it doesnt look good......... JK Shin, president of Samsung Mobile, has now gone on record saying that we'll get a new Galaxy S device at Mobile World Congress in February that'll feature Gingerbread, a dual-core processor

I _would_ be upset if there was no update after the initial Froyo - knowing that a lot better is available. Especially knowiing it would affect 10 million customers.
2.2.1 or 2.3 would not matter too much. It doesn't seem 2.3 offers a lot compared to 2.2. And perhaps the ext4-basedness of the Nexus S is problematic, for example for mass storage support.
It seems Samsung is pretty good at offering features of the next version in a previous incarnation. My 2.1 had the wifi AP - which belonged to 2.2.
Let's hope for some support. My primary hope would be lag fixes and after that ongoing security support.

Jekkaman said:
I don't care much for gingerbread i just want now a perfect 2.2.1 rom from samsung with no lag and gps like JM9.
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I agree I dont like the new notification icons for 2.3. so happy with 2.2.1 with lagfix and oc.
But if we think about this 2.2.1 gave us a ota update feature.
would they really put this into the phone ( I can image it took a dev some time to get this to work for 10 million phones) if they had no intention of updating?!?!?!?1

Short: YES.

I'm pretty certain we'll see gingerbread..although it'll probably be a bit of a wait.
Now whether or not we ever see icecream....
That's probably a pipedream....
Well...maybe we won't get it officially..
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Please, please keep up. The new Galaxy S x2 will be announced on the 13th of Feb and for those who keep on about 2.3 see below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrAjgYDx7yU&feature=player_embedded

Not keeping my hopes up that we will get 2.3, if we do its an added bonus. The next galaxy S is just a couple of months away from release so Sammy might make that a selling point..

No ICS for SGS, complain here. All other threads will be deleted!

As we all have heard, sadly, ICS will not be available through Samsung because of the lack of memory available in the SGS to run Touchwiz.
However the community isn't happy, XDA will probably find a way to get ICS on your SGS.
If you feel you should complain about the lack of ICS on your device, you may do so in this thread. However, other threads about the subject will be closed / deleted, since one thread should suffice.
Consider this a warning too; We strive to keeping the forum clean, and if anyone ignores this, disciplinary action will be taken.
Edit: petition url added here: http://www.change.org/petitions/www...ndwich-version-for-users-of-the-samsung-i9000 Thanks Telep!
Edit2: Samsung might be rethinking this strategy: http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/27/2663320/samsung-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-ics-upgrade-review Hurray!

What was wrong with the last thread?
Anyway, this is kind of a bummer. Shows that 18 month program was a whole load of hot air.
Also, the claim that Touchwiz won't run on top of ICS is trash. I wonder if the leaked S2 version can be ported. Perhaps making our own "official" rom could be quite effective way of getting them to buck their ideas up?
EDIT: Actually, the 18 months was after the S was released and the S has been out of 18 months already (Wow time flies), so point is void.

no need for that with TW, Google's stock is better
ICS ports here working better than Samsung's stock roms

I've signed all online petitions, but I'll be happy if they just release AOSP Compatible Drivers for all the components of our phone.
Maybe we should spam Google, asking them to tell Samsung to release drivers at least.
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gracias a la XDA genius developers

OK, I am complaining ,give us a ICS ROM.

what bout S+? i feel cheated. at least SGS gets 2 majot updates. S+ didn't even recieve any major updates! this will be my last samsucks phone. at least sony is loyal to their customers. even xperia play which has the same specs as S+ is getting ICS WTF! screw u samsung

They can make lightweight ROM, with possibility to download additional crapwizz apps and widgets from samsung apps.

To moderator: u can add the petition site. Last i saw there was 7300 sign. it must get more

Here you go
http://www.change.org/petitions/www...ndwich-version-for-users-of-the-samsung-i9000

So awful, I want official ICS

Not a complaint more an observation...
It's all well and good complaining but think of it this way, The majority of users don't know about ICS and don't care. They use it because it works fine, Samsung have dropped it not cause it's a bad phone but because it's a business practice that is used every day.
Just because it sold 10, 20 or 30 million units doesn't mean they'll continue to support as people will drop this phone when they contract is up which if bought at the start only have to put up with it for a few months more before getting an upgrade anyway.
Why should Samsung continue to develop for a phone that is starting to age in hardware compared to the newer flagships? Sure the Xperia Neo is getting it because it was released this year so it makes sense to.
Now I can understand to the i9003 and i9001 users having only been out this year but i9000 is different.

avatar_43 said:
Not a complaint more an observation...
It's all well and good complaining but think of it this way, The majority of users don't know about ICS and don't care. They use it because it works fine, Samsung have dropped it not cause it's a bad phone but because it's a business practice that is used every day.
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Just small addition: MINORITY, who even will notice lack of new OS, is able to go here and complain, so same effort would be required to have ICS thanks to work of the devs here.

Its an "old" phone, but a very good one, that's why we have devs la Onecosmic, doing amazing things to port ICS to those of us who still use the Great SGS I9000

That's not an old phone. I'm just 20 and my phone is 1.5 years old. Support your baby samsung.
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This phone is really similar to the Nexus S from same CPU, RAM, GPU, screen etc.... So there shouldn't be too many kernel address mismatches either.....
Either way, Sammy should remove some bloatware and touchwiz to make room for ICS to fit inside of SGS's system partition. That's pretty much it
P.S. Samsung signed "android alliance" to provide updates for it's handset for at least 18 months after first release. They will have to provide updates for new android releases until April fools.
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burakgon said:
That's not an old phone. I'm just 20 and my phone is 1.5 years old. Support your baby samsung.
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technology is considered old when a successor comes into the market. Right now, SGS2 is also considered old as SGS3 is due very soon

sgs should get ICS - after all this phone shook the entire mobile industry !

I hope they release it. I have removed RFS and now the phone is OK and i plan on keeping it until SGS3 at least. So basically ICS will be great if i can has it

if no ICS for Galaxy S, then Galaxy S is the last bought from Samsung.
It s a great device but Samsung doesnt deserve customer loyalty

Samsung will not deliver justified update no matter what! That's why I've exchanged my SGS for Nexus S and from now on will only upgrade on Googlephones!

[Q] Samsung should make a dev site just like www.htcdev.com

i wish samsung can make a website like www.htcdev.com things would be a lot easier for developers especially when samsung sold millions of smartphones for GALAXY series...galaxy s,galaxy s2,galaxy note and their tons of variants
OR
should we file a petition as galaxy s owners did for ICS and looks like samsung would eventually release ICS for them now
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/27/2663320/samsung-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-ics-upgrade-review
now that we r hearing about galaxy s3
http://www.sammobile.com/2011/12/24...-s3-will-have-a-quad-core-processor/#comments
isnt it time to make a dev site for samsung or should we just pray google can make hardware n software both for androids which might v well be ultimate combo.
since google bought motorola
http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/breaking-google-buys-motorola-for-12-5-billion/
what do u guys think .....

What, like this one?
http://developer.samsung.com/home.do
The only things I see in the HTC developers site is unlocking the bootloader which is already unlocked on Samsung phones and the kernel sources which I am sure Samsung already releases.
As for the petition, I don't see what your point is. We are already going to get ICS in Q1 2012, and the kernel sources will also come then.

What's in it for them?

deezle said:
What's in it for them?
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Better reputation.
Better reputation = More new customers
Better reputation = Unlikely to loose current customers
And therefore:
Better reputation = $$$ (which is all they want, isn't it?)
However the problem is that such a project has to be maintained what costs time & money. The questions is:
Is it worth it for Samsung?
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device specific drivers
kernel sources etc

for them or any other business its all about MONEY ...when ur selling millions handsets u would like to keep ur customers to make more money out of them for example most of the ppl who own gs2 would be looking forward to upgrade to s3 when released .to keep gs2 owners samsung would like to make gs2 owners happy and honestly samsung dont have to do much here .there is so much development for gs2 so many developers on xda and other websites.

[Q] Will Samsung enable the S-pen enhancements from N4 to N3?

If not, then how good of a chance do we have that someone figured the text and file select feature out because it is very useful.

like what hey did to N2 when N3 arrive... nope... they wont give it to us... but all these great people will figure it out anyway... ^_^

Samsung will give nothing to us...even the new UI interface...we likely to have what we get since Note 3 release...
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hbkrossi said:
Samsung will give nothing to us...even the new UI interface...we likely to have what we get since Note 3 release...
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We will get a new UI with android l

Its hard to say. The OG note was updated with a 'premium suite' when the note 2 was launched which included nearly all the improvements from note 2 (software wise) im sure if we dont receive the newer stuff it can be ported when we get a 4.4.4 base

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Its hard to say. The OG note was updated with a 'premium suite' when the note 2 was launched which included nearly all the improvements from note 2 (software wise) im sure if we dont receive the newer stuff it can be ported when we get a 4.4.4 base
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Samsung won't give any new feature for past models. Even these features will be present in future ROM releases (usually it comes with android upgrade because based on the same source code as newer models), they will be disabled anyway. Today new devices aren't much more powerful than previous, so, in most cases only software features make new models more attractive than previous (my S4 SHV-E330S is almost identical to S5 SM-G900F).
Every manufacturer prefers to sell newer devices and earn money than support the old one for free. So, they need to stimulate purchases as much as possible (in Russia we call it "potrebliadstvo").
Samsung did premium upgrade once in the past for previous model(s) and realized they got no benefits from this and additionally let some potential buyers still keep their current phones (i.e. lost some money). Without strict requirements from Google we wouldn't get even android upgrades.
In short: only 3rd party amateur devs can bring something from new to old devices.

sorg said:
Samsung won't give any new feature for past models. Even these features will be present in future ROM releases (usually it comes with android upgrade because based on the same source code as newer models), they will be disabled anyway. Today new devices aren't much more powerful than previous, so, in most cases only software features make new models more attractive than previous (my S4 SHV-E330S is almost identical to S5 SM-G900F).
Every manufacturer prefers to sell newer devices and earn money than support the old one for free. So, they need to stimulate purchases as much as possible (in Russia we call it "potrebliadstvo").
Samsung did premium upgrade once in the past for previous model(s) and realized they got no benefits from this and additionally let some potential buyers still keep their current phones (i.e. lost some money). Without strict requirements from Google we wouldn't get even android upgrades.
In short: only 3rd party amateur devs can bring something from new to old devices.
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Isnt that pretty much what i said?
Maybe they will give us a few items from note4 and if not they can be ported