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Just thought I should let you guys know. Oh and I have put my money where my mouth is.
http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/NEXUS-S-FROM-GOOGLE/HANDSET
Holy.... I am very tempted by that deal, I always thought CW were poop for phones.
although it's written otherwise, im pretty sure it's the s-lcd version. (which could be found on handtec.co.uk for £269.99)
ofc it's not a deal breaker, but a good explanation for this huge price difference.
I ordered an EVO View 4G from DailySteals during the liquidation sale and got an empty box. I emailed them and got no response and their phone number directs you to email them.
I just won my PayPal dispute but wanted to warn others about their practices to help someone else avoid my troubles. Now off to scour eBay for a View close to what I got back from them.
I ordered a NEW Nexus S from them. Came out just what I expected. Even the factory screen protectors were there. IMHO DailySteals is a legitimate site which sells items at huge discounts. Hopefully it works out for you because I had luck with them in the past. Oh and when I emailed them when it would ship they replied 24 hours later saying it just shipped.
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I ordered a NEW Nexus S from them. Came out just what I expected. Even the factory screen protectors were there. IMHO DailySteals is a legitimate site which sells items at huge discounts. Hopefully it works out for you because I had luck with them in the past. Oh and when I emailed them when it would ship they replied 24 hours later saying it just shipped.
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Well I am glad it worked out for you but a lot of reviews state the site is bad news, I didn't find them until I started having problems with them. Maybe it was a mistake but the fact they ignored countless emails day after day just seems wrong to me.
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Well I am glad it worked out for you but a lot of reviews state the site is bad news, I didn't find them until I started having problems with them. Maybe it was a mistake but the fact they ignored countless emails day after day just seems wrong to me.
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Yeah if I was in your same situation I would of acted the same way. When I looked at the reviews when I was thinking about buying the Nexus S, all the reviews were good except for the fact that shipping was slow. GL.
yea i ordered nexus s and it was legit. Maybe they did a mistake or something.
I believe that Dailysteals acts as a middle man or liquidation service...
I have ordered from them and got the item in 3 days, and I have ordered from them and it took 14 days.
I order items from them all the time, and their affiliate icemonkey, never an issue. Most things take a while to get here.
Haven't had an issue. Support is slow, shipping is slow, but my package arrived in condition as described.
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I received my HTC evo view with no problem. Hope it all works out for you.
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Daily Deals is SH*T.
They wouldn't ship my item until I made a PayPal dispute 3 weeks later!
Never again!
I ordered the htc view on the 16th and mine still has not shipped. Am calling my credit card company by friday if i dont get legit tracking.
They no longer reply to emails phone or chat.
But they sure as hell are still selling items everyday.
They are scammers.
What they do is committ to sell and ship items without knowing how many theybcan even get. Then when they cant get enough they wont tell you in hopes that you just go away and only respond once you file a claim.
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I ordered the htc view on the 16th and mine still has not shipped. Am calling my credit card company by friday if i dont get legit tracking.
They no longer reply to emails phone or chat.
But they sure as hell are still selling items everyday.
They are scammers.
What they do is committ to sell and ship items without knowing how many theybcan even get. Then when they cant get enough they wont tell you in hopes that you just go away and only respond once you file a claim.
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That's pretty absurd to be honest. What seems far more likely and logical is that they deal with a 3rd party supplier. There have been cases where they over sold an item, but I've never heard of someone not getting their money back.
And do you people think you are the only ones who buy from them? They sell HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of items a day for suppliers who are likely over seas. This kind of activity takes TIME and PEOPLE and most of that is likely out-sourced... guess where... over seas!
Also remember, you don't get tracking till it's in the country. Only super expensive 3rd party shipping get tracked from over seas.
It's like Wal-Mart. I hate that place because there are a million people there at all hours of the day and most of them are pieces of garbage in one form or another. That's my opinion, I'm entitled to it. Know what I do though? I DONT GO TO WALMART.
If you don't like how a business who is obviously successful handles it's business... DONT USE THEM. Complaining and shouting absurdities is not going to get you far.
I've never had any problem with Dailysteals or 1saleaday.... It just takes patience sometimes.
"OMG QQ I BOUGHT THIS YESTERDAY AND THEY DIDN'T OVERNIGHT IT FROM JAPAN FOR FREE." = Win.
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That's pretty absurd to be honest. What seems far more likely and logical is that they deal with a 3rd party supplier. There have been cases where they over sold an item, but I've never heard of someone not getting their money back.
And do you people think you are the only ones who buy from them? They sell HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of items a day for suppliers who are likely over seas. This kind of activity takes TIME and PEOPLE and most of that is likely out-sourced... guess where... over seas!
Also remember, you don't get tracking till it's in the country. Only super expensive 3rd party shipping get tracked from over seas.
It's like Wal-Mart. I hate that place because there are a million people there at all hours of the day and most of them are pieces of garbage in one form or another. That's my opinion, I'm entitled to it. Know what I do though? I DONT GO TO WALMART.
If you don't like how a business who is obviously successful handles it's business... DONT USE THEM. Complaining and shouting absurdities is not going to get you far.
I've never had any problem with Dailysteals or 1saleaday.... It just takes patience sometimes.
"OMG QQ I BOUGHT THIS YESTERDAY AND THEY DIDN'T OVERNIGHT IT FROM JAPAN FOR FREE." = Win.
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your rant would be valid if they stated their shipping and handling times. i haven't gone to their web-site, but i'm sure they don't state it's gonna take forever (i.e. more than 1 week) to ship.
One week isn't that long to piece everything together. You get amazing deals if they have what you're looking for
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It's difficult to decide.
btyork said:
That's pretty absurd to be honest. What seems far more likely and logical is that they deal with a 3rd party supplier. There have been cases where they over sold an item, but I've never heard of someone not getting their money back.
And do you people think you are the only ones who buy from them? They sell HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of items a day for suppliers who are likely over seas. This kind of activity takes TIME and PEOPLE and most of that is likely out-sourced... guess where... over seas!
Also remember, you don't get tracking till it's in the country. Only super expensive 3rd party shipping get tracked from over seas.
It's like Wal-Mart. I hate that place because there are a million people there at all hours of the day and most of them are pieces of garbage in one form or another. That's my opinion, I'm entitled to it. Know what I do though? I DONT GO TO WALMART.
If you don't like how a business who is obviously successful handles it's business... DONT USE THEM. Complaining and shouting absurdities is not going to get you far.
I've never had any problem with Dailysteals or 1saleaday.... It just takes patience sometimes.
"OMG QQ I BOUGHT THIS YESTERDAY AND THEY DIDN'T OVERNIGHT IT FROM JAPAN FOR FREE." = Win.
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You might want to reconsider this avatar... Just sayin
RussianBear said:
your rant would be valid if they stated their shipping and handling times. i haven't gone to their web-site, but i'm sure they don't state it's gonna take forever (i.e. more than 1 week) to ship.
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On their website they say that usually their shipment is done with in 6 working days. I have ordered BT handfree from them on 28th Dec. It should start shipment today. Let's see what happens.
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On their website they say that usually their shipment is done with in 6 working days. I have ordered BT handfree from them on 28th Dec. It should start shipment today. Let's see what happens.
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i guess i got owned lol
They ship from the united states, from New York city actually. They will not contact you and like someone said they won't do anything until you file a paypal dispute
I see we are not getting any nice deals on New Year :-(
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Disclaimer................I am no longer selling the Transformer due to the below story.
*So karma is a bi?!#. Yesterday while taking my 3 year old to potty at a restaurant my E4GT fell in toilet. I had just taken a picture of my family at the table and put my phone in my front shirt pocket. I don't normally put my phone there because I know what happened can happen but, I forgot. So I'm leaned over pulling my sons pants up when he jumps up and his head catches my pocket and pushes the phone right out and into the toilet. FFFFFFFFFUUUUUU££££$$$$$$!!!!! Yeah so I don't carry insurance on my phone because I have never broken or damaged a cellphone before. Doh! Yeah I immediately pulled the battery and and the restaurant gave me a bag of rice to put it in but, I don't have any high expectations since the phone was on when it went into the toilet. So now I have to sell the TF or do some kind of swap for a phone. So angry at myself, LOL* end rant
So I post my Transformer for sale on Craigslist last night. It's in mint condition and I have the original box and manuals. Also have a Case Crown case for it. I was selling it because my wife is awesome and bought me a Prime. I posted it for $350 or willing to trade for a 7 inch tablet and cash which the amount depended on what kind of 7 incher it was or some other crap like a E4GT or Photon. I said I was not willing to negotiate if it was a straight cash sale.
Anyways I am posting the text conversation between myself and some dude. I am am going to post it word for word except for *Redacted* things like names and or locations.
Him: Do you still have your transformer
Me: Yes I do
Him: Will you take 325
Me: No, sorry 350
Him: Oh well I have someone wanting 325 so Im going to talk to him
Me: Ok, sorry I just cant do 325
(Please keep in mind I have already had 2 other offers at $325 and I have declined them both)
Him: Alright its cool. If it doesnt go through can I contact you?
Me: Sure
Him: Hey man the other didnt come through
Him: Still have your tab?
Me: I do. Not going to be able to do anything tonight unless youre willing to drive to *Redacted* after 9pm. Im stuck at work until then.
Him: I can but can you do 325?
Me: I cannot. Sorry.
Him: Ok
Me: You still want it?
Him: Yeah
Me: I'll be home around 8:45. Dont take this the wrong way but, I have a CHL, so please dont try and rob me, ok? Good. I'll give you the address to my house, if you want to meet there, when I'm on the way home. I'd give it to you now but, my wife and kids are home alone and I don't know you from Adam.
For those that are curious a CHL is a Concealed Handgun License, which I do in fact have. Also I am not stupid enough to give him my actual address and would only have given him the street that backs up to my turn about which is another turn about. I live in a very affluent neighborhood in a very crime free city.
Him: Dude can just meet at a 7-11 or something
Me: Where are you coming from?
Him: Have you ever done Craiglist before?
Him: Coming from *Redacted*
Me: Yeah lots and someone tried to rob me a year ago next month.
This is true. Luckily my CHL came in handy, dude ran, I got his plates and the Police were able to arrest the idiot.
Me: I work in *Redacted* Same place he was coming from we can meet at my job tomorrow morning if youd like.
Him: Is your tab at your house? Because I figured we can just meet somewhere in *Redacted*.
Him: **Redacted*
Me: Yeah it's at home. If you want to do this tonight I can meet you at the *Redacted* Station on *Redacted* and Main in *Redacted*
Him: Well there is actually a *Redacted* Chicken right off of *Redacted* on *Redacted* if you wanna meet inside I'm kinda hungry lol and it's public
Me: Yeah but, then I have to go home, get my tablet, then drive to *Redacted* then drive all the way back home. See where I'm coming from?
Me: It's rooted too by the way. Not a problem right?
Him: Oh yeah! Sorry. Well that *Redacted* Station is fine. Just text me when you get your tab so.I can start heading to *Redacted*
Him: I was going to root it anyways lol
Me: Cool
Him: And don't worry I've been screwed on Craigslist before so I know where your coming from. So we agreed on 325 right?
I'm shaking my head at this point but, since he's tried so hard for 325.....
Me: No, lol. I'll do 340 because youre trying so hard for 325
Him: I wouldnt mind giving you an extra $15 because thats not much more nut $325 is seriously all I have. I have a few more quarters in my car but apart from
Him: the cash that's all I have(had to buy books For school)
I'm kinda gritting my teeth trying not to be PO'd cause he's wasted so much of my time, but I was a starving student once too....oh well
Me: Damn dude. Bring your 325 and quarters....sh**
Me: Good thing I'm a fu**ing sucker for a sob story
Him: Nah nevermind man.
Me: LOL seriously? After I just agreed to 325? Whatever, guy.
Him: Like your doing me such a grand favor by dropping it 25. I'm sure some other guy will buy it. Cheers
REALLY A**HAT!!?? WHAT THE EFF!! Yeah dude I feel like I am kinda doing you a favor by dropping it $25 when my post said I wouldnt negotiate and I already told you twice that I wouldnt sell for 325....But I'm not a jerk.....so
Me: Dude you worked me down 25 bucks when my post said I wouldnt negotiate. Ive passed 2 other offers of 325 down. Your textbook story is what sold me when the others couldnt. Never said I was doing you a favor but, instead of taking the deal and running with it, you get your feelings hurt over a good natured ribbing? The should have shown you I was joking. I don't need to sell this thing so it's not hurting me to keep it. Good luck, I hope you find what you want.
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Effing people....This conversation started at 3:30pm today and finally ended at 8:05pm.....what a waste but, once I looked back at it I found it pretty amusing.
Anyone else have any funny stories about trying to sell their old gadgets?
Haha, you wouldn't like my dad, then. He is one of those that has to win in a negotiation, even if it's a 50 cents difference. I've seen him walk away from a really good deal simply because the seller refused to go down $10. This was a piano. My dad's a musician and he deals a lot with pianos. Both my brother and I at the time knew the piano was worth a lot more (probably twice to 3 times what the owner wanted). My dad also knew this. The owner didn't know the value and so wanted to sell it for $300. At the time, we could have sold the piano for $1,000 easy. Been dealing with pianos all our lives. Anyway, my dad wanted to bring bring it down to $250. The owner refused. After talking back and forth, my dad finally declared that if the owner was willing to sell it for $290, he'd buy it right away. The owner refused to budge. So, my dad left.
Again, we've been dealing with pianos all our lives. We could have resell that piano as-is for $1000 easy. But because my dad was hard-headed...
Anyway, can I buy your tablet for 349.99? That's all I have, I swear
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Haha, you wouldn't like my dad, then. He is one of those that has to win in a negotiation, even if it's a 50 cents difference. I've seen him walk away from a really good deal simply because the seller refused to go down $10. This was a piano. My dad's a musician and he deals a lot with pianos. Both my brother and I at the time knew the piano was worth a lot more (probably twice to 3 times what the owner wanted). My dad also knew this. The owner didn't know the value and so wanted to sell it for $300. At the time, we could have sold the piano for $1,000 easy. Been dealing with pianos all our lives. Anyway, my dad wanted to bring bring it down to $250. The owner refused. After talking back and forth, my dad finally declared that if the owner was willing to sell it for $290, he'd buy it right away. The owner refused to budge. So, my dad left.
Again, we've been dealing with pianos all our lives. We could have resell that piano as-is for $1000 easy. But because my dad was hard-headed...
Anyway, can I buy your tablet for 349.99? That's all I have, I swear
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Yeah but the dude was getting it for the 325 he wanted it for.
Wish I had learned how to play the piano
You're braver than I am. Selling stuff on amazon and ebay is as far as I will go. I stay away from craigslist like the plague. And I have an arsenal of guns in my place.
I try to believe the best in people but I'm prepared for the worst
when you post on CL you have to be prepared for offers even you dont accept them. Same goes for ebay.
That guy probably trolled u.
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when you post on CL you have to be prepared for offers even you dont accept them. Same goes for ebay.
That guy probably trolled u.
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This wasn't my first rodeo, pardner. I'm well aware that I might have been trolled
Would you take $300 and I'll throw in a chicken dinner?
Sounds like he got a premature case of buyers remorse.
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You're braver than I am. Selling stuff on amazon and ebay is as far as I will go. I stay away from craigslist like the plague. And I have an arsenal of guns in my place.
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I have an arsenal of those gun apps that make gun sounds- cheaper, quieter, and much less cleaning.
"The shotgun sounds will make burglars crap their pants as soon as they hear it."
I've sold SEVERAL items on craigslist. What I usually do, I'll buy a new latest and greatest phone for upgrade price. In a year, I'll sell that phone for the price of a new upgrade phone. Therefore, I end up getting the newest latest and greatest phones for free. I can't tell you how many sob stories I get, with people trying to tell me there bad luck, and can I lower the price 50 bucks, 100 bucks etc. I even put that in my ads now. Please, no woe is me stories to get me to lower the price. The worst, is when you are dealing with someone for a few days, back and forth, and you keep saying the price is xxx amount. I won't take anything less. Then they always show up and say, oh, all I have is xxx cash. Will you take it? Then they continue to go on about how someone screwed them over, and they don't have the full amount. I never sell to them, and they end up wasting my time, gas, etc.... Still, quite frustrating, but I NEVER back down.
I can't tell you how many, "my wife has cancer, my brother has parkinsons, or some other disease", they made up. I understand trying to work the angle, but I think just about everyone knows this. Either way, it's frustrating. Stick to your guns man. You will get 350 for it.
I would have told the guy to do one after the first few lines of conversation
This is why I hate CL...
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I've sold SEVERAL items on craigslist. What I usually do, I'll buy a new latest and greatest phone for upgrade price. In a year, I'll sell that phone for the price of a new upgrade phone. Therefore, I end up getting the newest latest and greatest phones for free. I can't tell you how many sob stories I get, with people trying to tell me there bad luck, and can I lower the price 50 bucks, 100 bucks etc. I even put that in my ads now. Please, no woe is me stories to get me to lower the price. The worst, is when you are dealing with someone for a few days, back and forth, and you keep saying the price is xxx amount. I won't take anything less. Then they always show up and say, oh, all I have is xxx cash. Will you take it? Then they continue to go on about how someone screwed them over, and they don't have the full amount. I never sell to them, and they end up wasting my time, gas, etc.... Still, quite frustrating, but I NEVER back down.
I can't tell you how many, "my wife has cancer, my brother has parkinsons, or some other disease", they made up. I understand trying to work the angle, but I think just about everyone knows this. Either way, it's frustrating. Stick to your guns man. You will get 350 for it.
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I was selling a car a couple years back and had a guy agree to the price. When we met up he starts telling me how he's a church pastor and was trying to get the car for one of his parish members who's daughter had cancer. Long story short he didn't even bring any money and wanted me to "donate" the car to him. I told him sure but I'd need a donation form and the number and address for his church as well as a copy of his ID and that I needed to talk to my lawyer so he could verify all the information the guy was going to give me. Dude started going on about how I needed to trust in God to tell me if it was ok and there was no reason for me to talk to my lawyer.....whatever, guy. Adios
Cl buyers annoy me. When I was selling my epic touch a dude offered me like half of what I wanted and wanted me to drive to him after I kept saying no to low balling.
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Maybe he got ordained online or in the mail, like a distant relation I've heard tell of.
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Last time I sold something on Craigslist, the idiot came to pick up a $75 car part I was selling, and he wanted to pay me with 6 rolls of quarters and 15 $1 bills....
That was my only, and final, experience with selling locally on Craigslist..
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Last time I sold something on Craigslist, the idiot came to pick up a $75 car part I was selling, and he wanted to pay me with 6 rolls of quarters and 15 $1 bills....
That was my only, and final, experience with selling locally on Craigslist..
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lol I had a similar experience but not as bad. Was selling my old modded ps2 with like 100+ games for like $70. These two kids had like $68 in bills but the rest was change. I only accepted it because they were cool about it and I could tell they were gamers like myself and really wanted it.I had a cool like 20 min convo with them so that kinda helped too. turned out the car they drove was like on E and the money they gave me was all they had. I would have hit the floor if they asked me to spot them some gas money lmao.
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This wasn't my first rodeo, pardner. I'm well aware that I might have been trolled
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I was just saying. You don't have to roll your eyes.
Haha wow what a tool!
Sorry but that was pretty funny op.I think he was just trolling.
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I was just saying. You don't have to roll your eyes.
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My apologies. The stroll wasn't directed towards you, but the entire situation.
I apologize in advance if this isn't appropriate for this forum, please move it as appropriate.
I got my Fire a couple weeks back, rooted it and am enjoying the gedeROM. Now my wife wants one. She has a regular Kindle for reading but she also wants GMail & Google Calendar, so I'd like to get her one and tweak it so she can have what she wants.
So I'm watching Ebay and I'm astonished to see used Fire's commonly going for $170-$180. I've seen more then a few have Buy It Now prices of over $200 and I've actually seen a few over $300 WTF. I've seen broken Fire's going for $80. More proof of the sucker born every minute saying.
I'll keep watching that site, as much for entertainment as any hope of getting a decent deal as well was watching Craigslist.
I've also started researching getting a lower tier Android tablet and giving the wife my Fire. There are bunches in the $90-$200 range. My biggest issue is (other then the quality) how much I like this community and how active, creative and knowledgeable the regulars are, especially the ones creating the tools, rom's and kernals. From what I've seen, nothing else comes close to this level of activity for the lower tier tablets.
Anyone else have thoughts on this, maybe traveled a similar path?
Go for a refurbished one if they have them on Amazon. They get the same warranty as a new one and if used are going for that much on Ebay you may as well get one with a warranty that cost the same and is easy to return.
Yes, refurbished is definitely a great deal - at $139 with full warranty I'm very happy.
It was a great deal and I would have jumped on it but I missed it by a week. They only put them out occasionally.
You might want to check Craigslist as well. In my area they regularly are listed there from between $100-150. Not only that, but you can play with it a little before you hand over the money (insert that's what she said comment here)... if you get it from someone local to your area.
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You might want to check Craigslist as well. In my area they regularly are listed there from between $100-150. Not only that, but you can play with it a little before you hand over the money (insert that's what she said comment here)... if you get it from someone local to your area.
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Yeah, I am checking Craigslist, and yes, reason is more prevalent
Would really be nice to see Amazon come back with the refurbs again though. I have a much higher level of confidence, not to mention the price.
Hi, how you doin guys? I was thinking to get a Nexus 7 but actually im not sure if it is good or not. I want you the people who have it to tell me about it in general. Do you encourage me to buy it? I want it for watching movies in the airplane and play games. what about the battery?
thank you
I already jumped the gun. I ordered mine yesterday I saw it at staples and was playing around with it. Really impressed with the smoothness and the layout and the colours. The hardware is something you can't turn down for the price. and on top of all that, it's google supported so you know this thing is gonna get key lime pie for sure!
This is an interesting question taht I wanted to know. How much did everyone pay for it in TOTAL. I paid around $380.
I got the 16gb, with a 1 yr warranty from staples and taxes, that's what it came out to. man we canada pay out the ass for this ****
With estimations of maybe 6 millions Nexus 7 to be sold this year, you can't be wrong
http://thedroidguy.com/2012/08/google-to-sell-6-to-8-milllion-nexus-7-tablets-by-the-end-of-2012/
We have 4 in our immediate family, and are overjoyed with them. They are all perfect.
Me and the missus bought "his and hers" Nexus7, for less than the price of a single iPad.
Battery life is great, due to the 5th "tickover" core, something the iPad4 is bound to copy..If you are going to be watching movies, get the 16GB one.
We bought 3, 8gbs from staples. All of them work great. Family loves them, we are most likely going to get a fourth so the grandparents don't fight over theirs lol.
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I already jumped the gun. I ordered mine yesterday I saw it at staples and was playing around with it. Really impressed with the smoothness and the layout and the colours. The hardware is something you can't turn down for the price. and on top of all that, it's google supported so you know this thing is gonna get key lime pie for sure!
This is an interesting question taht I wanted to know. How much did everyone pay for it in TOTAL. I paid around $380.
I got the 16gb, with a 1 yr warranty from staples and taxes, that's what it came out to. man we canada pay out the ass for this ****
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You bought the warranty? It looked like blatant robbery to me.
Got mine at staples for like 260 total. Awesome purchase.
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I have no regrets about getting mine, it's fantastic.
If I'd spent a while reading the threads on here beforehand I would never have done it though, so many complaints raised (which is always the way with the "General" forums on XDA-Dev) that would have put me off.
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You bought the warranty? It looked like blatant robbery to me.
Got mine at staples for like 260 total. Awesome purchase.
Sent from my paranoid Nexus 7.
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well from what I'm reading, there's been issues with : screen, speakers, lag on the home screen and so on.
So there is quite a bit of hardware issues. and this is the type of warranty i bought. If there is anything and absolutely anything wrong with my nexus 7, I can get a brand new one without hesitation. I bought it to be safe. I'd rather have peace of mind then be screwed over in the future.:good: either way I'm still happy with the purchase because I know I'm getting a quality device.