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lets be honest here.... the metro UI looks nice and all, but without a touch screen its completely out of place.. Keyboard and mouse interfaces have traditionally been vertical, you move through web pages vertically, you scroll through lists vertically, but metro UI is horizontal, scrolling down to turn right isn't quite intuitive....
and yea Ive done the "hack" to bring back the old start menu, but if you do that the metro UI kinda trips out plus thats the whole point of using windows 8 versus windows 7...
... worst thing was I deleted my Ubuntu partition to use it, but in a couple of days I think I'm gonna get the Ubuntu 11.10 beta 2 and delete windows 8
I totally agree..because what we expect from a PC is ease of access not the other way around...especially from keyboard and mouse they want us to use tiles
feels kinda stupid..the wrost case is search if I want to access a program is that really necessary for me to know which category it will falls in...its easy sometimes but not in the case of normal users....if MS really doesn't want to face the vista situation...they need to really think about the PC version of Win8....one more thing I want yo point out is that OS is really good for touchscreen capable devices but not for analog device operation....this is my opinion for the current developer built and not for win8 as a whole...
dats true tablet layout on PC is weird.
But win 8's performance is awesome.
maybe i'm just weird like that, but i kinda like the metro ui on my laptop/desktop setup. even though i don't have a touch-enabled screen, it didn't take me long to get used to using metro and make it work the way i like.
The live tiles and simplicity of it all are very nice, and dual booting Kubuntu was simple, I'm quite sure triple booting (Win7) would be a piece of cake as well. The desk top with the split screen is awesome! And a desktop is a desk top I don 't see the big deal here... Oh, this is a pre beta, I almost forgot. So let's see, New features, choices, smaller footprint, options, OH and Upgrade!?!? Can we try and see the cool part of it?
Waste of large application widget grids...
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It's a dev preview. It's not even a beta. Anything can and will change. Don't base your opinions of W8 on this.
Damn. How do u get 500MB download speed? Why apple?
You are not forces to use Metro. The Classic desktop will be there too.
Will they be implementing Kinect to use with the new dashboard for those who dont have a touchscreen?
i love the boot's time of win8
I love everything about it. Smooth, fast, easy to use. Even Metro UI that will be lot better when we have apps for it. And sync! Seriously, Windows 8 is fine.
I didnt have any BSOD until now. Just some freezes in my Mac Mini (but my Dell is perfect), and I can blame Apple for that.
For those who hate Metro UI.. Stop complaining a little. You can use the default desktop as your main, and Metro UI just as a launcher of apps/programs. Whining wont make MS remove it. This is the future. If you think you'd do better, then try to be Microsoft's CEO.
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lets be honest here.... the metro UI looks nice and all, but without a touch screen its completely out of place.. Keyboard and mouse interfaces have traditionally been vertical, you move through web pages vertically, you scroll through lists vertically, but metro UI is horizontal, scrolling down to turn right isn't quite intuitive....
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I have to agree. I've been through the dev preview and I very much like the layout.. for a tablet. On a desktop however, it just seems wrong.
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i love the boot's time of win8
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Becuz they just cheated u by just hibernating..
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yes it does
this is not a revolution, its a start over from the first day of pc's
what a disgrace
how long ago did a dialog box have a simple solid color? along with the buttons?
master.peterm said:
lets be honest here.... the metro UI looks nice and all, but without a touch screen its completely out of place.. Keyboard and mouse interfaces have traditionally been vertical, you move through web pages vertically, you scroll through lists vertically, but metro UI is horizontal, scrolling down to turn right isn't quite intuitive....
and yea Ive done the "hack" to bring back the old start menu, but if you do that the metro UI kinda trips out plus thats the whole point of using windows 8 versus windows 7...
... worst thing was I deleted my Ubuntu partition to use it, but in a couple of days I think I'm gonna get the Ubuntu 11.10 beta 2 and delete windows 8
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Aside from Windows Mobile and Pocket PC, Microsoft has always kind of had horizontal interfaces(Windows Media Center, Live, Xbox 360, etc etc). But just to note, this preview isn't anything final or was made to be ran as a daily OS. The Metro UI is made for tablets, it most likely won't be incorporated in final desktop builds or if it is, it'll be more adjusted to the desktop environment. All this Preview was made to do, was introduce Metro UI and the tools to create apps to work with the Metro UI. Even though it's still heavily based on NT 6.1, so far Windows 8 uses less resources than what Windows 7 did in both beta and final builds thanks to some kernel differences as well as filesystem changes.
Looking at the past as well, the Windows 7 beta used more resources than Windows 7 final. Windows Vista used more resources than both. Windows XP was built in a different manor, so not really counting XP in this. So far, Windows Developer preview is using less resources than Windows 7 7601. If history repeats itself, Windows 8 final will use less resources than the betas, developer preview, and 7. And if rumors of registry being cut out in windows 8 final and apps that need the registry is being taken care of by Hyper-V support, then to me that makes Windows 8 x100 times better than previous Windows systems.
as far as I am concerned Windows 8 is just UI update for tablets or other devices that have touch screens and shouldn't be called windows 8 it should be windows 7.1 !
Check your machine configuration!!
Starting to like this
I have used every version of windows since 2.5 on 5.25 floppy disk's. It took alot of getting used to not having the start menu that we have been used to since 1995. But with that said once you start getting the navigation down pat it is alot faster at finding and running programs. Wait i have to be politically correct here APPS LOL. I boot up which is amazing and click the Firefox app and Bam i am on the internet kinda digging it. The only thing that i have an issue with is None of the preinstalled apps work trust me im on a dell xps15 and my screen resolution is good enough. gonna try a reinstall with a fresh wipe to see if that clears it up. other than that i'm happy.
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Aside from Windows Mobile and Pocket PC, Microsoft has always kind of had horizontal interfaces(Windows Media Center, Live, Xbox 360, etc etc). But just to note, this preview isn't anything final or was made to be ran as a daily OS. The Metro UI is made for tablets, it most likely won't be incorporated in final desktop builds or if it is, it'll be more adjusted to the desktop environment. All this Preview was made to do, was introduce Metro UI and the tools to create apps to work with the Metro UI. Even though it's still heavily based on NT 6.1, so far Windows 8 uses less resources than what Windows 7 did in both beta and final builds thanks to some kernel differences as well as filesystem changes.
Looking at the past as well, the Windows 7 beta used more resources than Windows 7 final. Windows Vista used more resources than both. Windows XP was built in a different manor, so not really counting XP in this. So far, Windows Developer preview is using less resources than Windows 7 7601. If history repeats itself, Windows 8 final will use less resources than the betas, developer preview, and 7. And if rumors of registry being cut out in windows 8 final and apps that need the registry is being taken care of by Hyper-V support, then to me that makes Windows 8 x100 times better than previous Windows systems.
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yes they will incorporate it in final pcs...
however I actually have enjoyed metro ui and it actually functions pretty darn well on a desktop pc
There are some things I hope will be changed (mouse simulating touch input for instance which can alleviate a lot of transition issues) but otherwise I have a really good experience of it
i have watched a few videos on youtube about windows 8, i have come across the, Windows phone 7 style, and then there is the windows 7 desktop style!
and i have a few questions about them.
how is the windows phone 7 style going to work on non touch computers? if i have to click on every tile that is going to be dumb.
and the windows 7 desktop style, i watched a couple videos and its about julinux?!?! what is this??? its based on ubuntu? did microsoft buy linux? or is it just a REEEALLY good fake??
They are the same, but windows 8 has a "Windows 7 mode".
The defoult "theme" is the windows phone 7 style
They arent "2 version"
but they are getting rid of start menu changing it for the start screen with tiles.
its the same, both are launchers, so you launch your apps, your documents and apps from there. just like old start menu
of course now, you got a full screen launcher, with nice tiles which tell you info.
now there will be metro style UI apps. but since there arent metro style UI apps nor store in developer preview, there isn't much point to use the new UI. more than as a launcher, thats when we use desktop.
what is desktop? its like an app, to run desktop UI software, like we did before. now it will be like an app, since it wont be the centric point of Windows anymore.
but Windows needs to run the normal desktop software and thats the only way, having old desktop there.
and everything Works nice with nontouch. i have been using developer preview for a week and it works cool.
and obviously you have to click on tiles, tiles = icons, but they can display information, which is useful when you use more metro style UI which means having real apps and not samples like DP.
i dont know how that is dumb, since its the same you did with old start menu.
but its like the same, a launcher but gives more. since you will get information like windows phone, it looks cool (if you change some dll info like i did), and its for touch AND mouse and keyboard. so it can be used the way you want or need.
its a big change, but it doesn't change the same of what you already have with start menu.
if people complained about start menu from xp to vista. obviously people will complain about new UI. but its all about getting used to it, it took me some hours. to make it work similar way to start menu. so yeah it works fine. but not everyone will like this change.
Emi_Cyberschreiber said:
They arent "2 version"
but they are getting rid of start menu .....QUOTE]
Indeed its the same version, something ive found really awkward is that the Metro interface works really well on a touch device, i find it quick and easy to use and when PROGRAMS (!!!!) start using the tiles it will only get better, however i just find it a bit awkward using the mouse, it just itsnt as fluid and almost feels clumsy.
its fine for just launching stuff but to flick back an forward doesnt feel right, Win 8 has its place secured in the tablet market but Metro on Win 8 is going to have a hard time on non-touch desktop computers, win 8 its self is great on a desktop id like to add, even in its current state.
i cant remember where i read it but some one sumed it up quite well with
whats Win 8? Its Win 7 on Speed! (a Drug)
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I have an idea however stupid it may sound its still an idea worth mentioning.....
PLEASE NOTE: I would prefer to not have a start button at all as I have gotten used to using rainmeter... So I DON'T have an issue with the win 8 desktop mode with no menu. !!
I know The Win 8 DP is probably miles apart from Win 8 RTM but How different is it actually ?
Say I install RTM & DP on virtual machines and just take a basic look at the files... (not that I'll know what to look for)
What if I copy a few of the DP files over to RTM ie: system 32, would it still boot ?? I'll give it a try and probably fail......
My idea is to re-enable the registry "hack" that allows you to bypass metro or whatever it is now called or use a 3rd party hack that disabled metro... a different hack worked in CP if I recall correctly.
I know it sounds stupid as Windows might say the files are corrupt or something along those lines....
I know Win 8 has just been born (the final release version for retail that is, well almost) so it will take time for a way to disable it all together... And I mean all together (my version is no metro or charms or any such features at all. For an example the network icon in the superbar/taskbar has a metro menu no thanks..)
Why not have the metro (all of it) be a optional install as part of the add remove features box so if you want the benefits of Win 8 with the look of Win 7 then you can if you want all of Win 8 then you can do so too.
I am glad to stay on Win 7 for now, don't get me wrong an don't tell me to stay there if I don't like metro.
I just gave a suggestion
Below is for Win 7 but there isn't a Win 7 page.
I would like a way to completely disable the start menu in Win 7 though as I still like to use the win button for shortcuts so disabling the win shortcuts does not work for me unless there is a way to disable the opening of the start menu with the win key but still be able to use the win key for other shortcuts such as Win + D or Win + E.
I guess I can get used to not using them if I pin the icons to the taskbar....
Maybe someone with the know how could port the Win 8 desktop/file explorer experience that has a lack of a start button built in but that will probably be part of the win 8 core with my luck
When there is a hack for Win 8 I'll go to that
Use start killer to remove the orb in windows 7.
Hi guys, I was thinking as to how to exploit Windows Metro decently: I really like the concept, but I find myself never using it. If I want to use a multiaccount chat program, I need to use something like Digsby on Desktop. I think it's a suboptimal use of Windows 8. I'd like to use a multiplatform chat program, like those found on our smartphones (Imo, eBuddy, and such) from the Metro and, for once, forget about Desktop: is it possible? Can I sideload Windows Phone 7.5 and Windows Phone 8 apps into Windows 8 metro?
I think it's really bad to not be able to use stuff like Whatsapp, given I have a tablet interface around which Windows 8 has been used.
Same thing, regarding Xbox Live Arcade games: why cannot I play them in Windows 8 yet? Why can't I play something like Fez, or Sine Mora, inside Windows 8 Metro? Shouldn't it be one of the main selling point of Metro interface?
At the moment, I see really great potential for a new, different and more relaxed approach to computer use, but it's very limited by implementation and app choice...
you cant side load yet, the split screen would be handy forchat programs
if anything i think windows 7 was more user friendly....
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if anything i think windows 7 was more user friendly....
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Well i agree with you on that, but you need to clarify what you mean.
If i personally compare win 7 to any other OS i would say that it is more user friendly, but only because i use windows all of the time and to be frankly there arent many changes on the Overall feel f the OS since win 95 ... still looks kinda the same with more eye candy, i guess you know what i mean.
I have Win 8 Professional on a Slate 7 Series from Samsung and i must say for a touchy device win 8 works just fine, still the thought of running win 8 on my main rig or even my laptop terrifies me, I don't get this "Hey we need 2 overlays, and no start utton because it sucks" ,i know there are dozens of hacks so you can get it back, no worrys but why did they ( Microsoft ) do that?
So in short i like win 7 more simply because im a lazy dude and i do like my OS like my last one like win7 pro and win 8 is ... well :silly: like this i guess
Better memory usage (Page Combining)
Ability to use Microsoft accounts to log in (shared password across devices, ability to reset your password online, etc.)
Sync data between machines that use the same Microsoft account (bookmarks, system settings, some app data, etc.)
Vastly improved task manager
Better virtualization feature (Hyper-V vs. Virtual PC)
Faster boot-up time
System refresh and reset (essentially, automatically reinstall windows and either do or do not preserve your user profile and data, respectively)
Metro app sandboxing (though most metro apps suck, IMO)
Desktop wallpaper slideshow (with the chrome color automatically changing the suit the current background image)
Wallpaper spanning multiple monitors, or showing different wallpaper on each monitor
Taskbar spanning across monitors, with the ability to show taskbar icons for an app on a given monitor only on that monitor's taskbar
The incredibly useful Win+X (or right-click on Start) menu.
I personally prefer the way it handles Windows Update-required reboots.
Better support for new AMD CPUs (makes more efficient use of "bulldozer"-style "modules")
Built-in mail client that can connect to Exchange (though yeah, it kinda sucks otherwise)
Improvements to BitLocker drive encryption
Windows To Go installation to flashdrives
Ability to mount ISO images is now built in
Antivirus is now built in (same thing as Security Essentials, but now part of Defender)
Much better touch and stylus support (requires hardware, of course)
USB3 support out of the box
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There are entire pages on Wikipedia devoted to the differences between Windows versions, if you really want a full list. This is just the stuff that I've used or seen personally.
It is my opinion that if someone cannot use the windows 8 interface then they are likely braindead and have bigger problems. You get stuck you watch microsofts excellent tutorial videos. You get stuck and dont watch the videos, well just quit using the computer.
Windows 8 is alot faster and that is always one benefit from the get go.
More secure.
Some of the windows 8 apps are actually quite nice (although most are complete crap)
Eh, there's a big difference between "can't use" and "would prefer not to use". I definitely think some of the UI changes MS made were stupid. However, I think many other ones were great, and I'm also pretty happy with the OS overall. It's the one I run on my home desktop (custom built; I could have installed Win7 or indeed anything else I wanted instead).
harisjd said:
if anything i think windows 7 was more user friendly....
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Performance. Windows 8 has WDDM 1.2, requires less video memory, and has some kernel tweaks that Win7 doesn't have. I prefer performance over looks :good:
In my opinion the main difficulty or 'feature missing' peopel experiencing is in the look n feel- the aero interface and lack of StartMenu (which is coming back in 8.1 update)...
But dont stop there with your first impression guys... At first i also had thought i would go back on win 7... then i got used to it - its bit annoying sometimes the way the corner mouse thing works to get search, settings etc- but once u used to you find it easier rather than start menu... As everybody said metro apps are not easy to use the way they work ( i had a hard time when i first used skype on metro) and i dont use it ...
Once i customised my desktop with rainmeter like my old win 7 desk, i'm happy like ever....
GoodDayToDie said:
Better memory usage (Page Combining)
Ability to use Microsoft accounts to log in (shared password across devices, ability to reset your password online, etc.)
Sync data between machines that use the same Microsoft account (bookmarks, system settings, some app data, etc.)
Vastly improved task manager
Better virtualization feature (Hyper-V vs. Virtual PC)
Faster boot-up time
System refresh and reset (essentially, automatically reinstall windows and either do or do not preserve your user profile and data, respectively)
Metro app sandboxing (though most metro apps suck, IMO)
Desktop wallpaper slideshow (with the chrome color automatically changing the suit the current background image)
Wallpaper spanning multiple monitors, or showing different wallpaper on each monitor
Taskbar spanning across monitors, with the ability to show taskbar icons for an app on a given monitor only on that monitor's taskbar
The incredibly useful Win+X (or right-click on Start) menu.
I personally prefer the way it handles Windows Update-required reboots.
Better support for new AMD CPUs (makes more efficient use of "bulldozer"-style "modules")
Built-in mail client that can connect to Exchange (though yeah, it kinda sucks otherwise)
Improvements to BitLocker drive encryption
Windows To Go installation to flashdrives
Ability to mount ISO images is now built in
Antivirus is now built in (same thing as Security Essentials, but now part of Defender)
Much better touch and stylus support (requires hardware, of course)
USB3 support out of the box
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There are entire pages on Wikipedia devoted to the differences between Windows versions, if you really want a full list. This is just the stuff that I've used or seen personally.
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Couldn't have said it better myself! :laugh: :good:
Windows 8 is good i used it for a while but for a regular desktop pc windows 7 is better ,windows 8 i think is designed for touchscreens and tablets but for a pc its a fail.Windows 8 is a bit messy with the way apps are used ,a desktop pc have no need for apps or for apps to be cached.i know theres more and more tablets and laptops around now but microsoft have pulled away from the desktop users ,
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Windows 8 is good i used it for a while but for a regular desktop pc windows 7 is better ,windows 8 i think is designed for touchscreens and tablets but for a pc its a fail.Windows 8 is a bit messy with the way apps are used ,a desktop pc have no need for apps or for apps to be cached.i know theres more and more tablets and laptops around now but microsoft have pulled away from the desktop users ,
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Can we please stop repeating the stupid line taken from articles that know nothing about windows 8? Windows 8 is designed for BOTH touch and mouse.
Hell, there are even things you can't do with touch but work very nice with mouse.
And in a few years from now, touch screen monitors will be just as mainstream as mouse and keyboard. Then you will complain that windows does not support touch properly.
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Can we please stop repeating the stupid line taken from articles that know nothing about windows 8? Windows 8 is designed for BOTH touch and mouse.
Hell, there are even things you can't do with touch but work very nice with mouse.
And in a few years from now, touch screen monitors will be just as mainstream as mouse and keyboard. Then you will complain that windows does not support touch proper
Nothing taken from a magazine i had both on the same system ,i went back to win 7 because of usability only and im not complaining just its usless for a regular desktop pc thats currently in use by most people end of story.
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Windows 8 is developed for using the touch apps more efficient as we know touch experience is great in windows 8 rather than windows 7.
Windows 8 have capability of much lower booting Time as it saves all temporary file like in hibernate mode when you shut down your pc.you can find thiw on microsoft website but windows 7 needs more booting time.........
In windows 8 aero theme is removed increasing the graphics performance while it is present in windows 7.
Windows 8 prepares automatic repair if computer is unable to boot but it has to be done manually in windows 7.
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If you have to mount an iso file windows 8 supports mounting natively but in windows 7 you have to install third party software..
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borichamehul5 said:
Windows 8 is developed for using the touch apps more efficient as we know touch experience is great in windows 8 rather than windows 7.
Windows 8 have capability of much lower booting Time as it saves all temporary file like in hibernate mode when you shut down your pc.you can find thiw on microsoft website but windows 7 needs more booting time.........
In windows 8 aero theme is removed increasing the graphics performance while it is present in windows 7.
Windows 8 prepares automatic repair if computer is unable to boot but it has to be done manually in windows 7.
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If you have to mount an iso file windows 8 supports mounting natively but in windows 7 you have to install third party software..
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Aero is not removed completely. Actually, most of aero is still there.
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If you have to mount an iso file windows 8 supports mounting natively but in windows 7 you have to install third party software..
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It manages to do that quite well too. I spent a while on windows 7 hunting down tools for disk image mounting and many of them always had the odd little issues like being slow, or popping up admin privelage windows all the time or requiring a driver.
The windows 8 one requires no setup by anyone or any admin permissions. Just double click .ISO or .IMG and it does it immediately.
On top of that the tool I settled with on windows 7 used to give me file copy speeds from the mounted image of about 10mb/s, I hit 25 on the windows 8 built in tools with the same ISO and on the same PC.
Excellent feature, why the hell didnt we have this already? OSX I think has it, my out of date linux system had it.
Microsoft released "unofficial" tools (PowerToys) to support ISO mounting for some years, but apparently always felt that the potential legal hassles of doing something which could be seen as aiding piracy were not worth the benefit of making it an official feature. With Win8 though, so many machines running it don't have optical drives at all that it's become much more important, and at the same time such tools have generally not faced legal trouble in some time..
There are two girls, opposed to one for Windows 7.
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One downside though, is that they have brown hair. I always thought the blue hair was a bit more stylish.
No aero glass theme in W8, immediate dislike from me. THe start menu and metro can be avoided or modded into.
There are some cool features in W8 but Miscrosoft should learn not to force users into a half baked tablet experience for the desktop, laptop crowd.
Having to slide windows in the screen with the mouse is completely and utterly annoying and insufferable.
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No aero glass theme in W8, immediate dislike from me. THe start menu and metro can be avoided or modded into.
There are some cool features in W8 but Miscrosoft should learn not to force users into a half baked tablet experience for the desktop, laptop crowd.
Having to slide windows in the screen with the mouse is completely and utterly annoying and insufferable.
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What do you mean slide windows?
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shadowcore said:
No aero glass theme in W8, immediate dislike from me. THe start menu and metro can be avoided or modded into.
There are some cool features in W8 but Miscrosoft should learn not to force users into a half baked tablet experience for the desktop, laptop crowd.
Having to slide windows in the screen with the mouse is completely and utterly annoying and insufferable.
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Every app o have tried has responded to scroll wheel instead of sliding the window.
For the swipe to close/switch gesture on mouse and keyboard, alt-f4 still closes, hover mouse in top left and slide it down the screen and it shows running apps (where you can right click and close them), hold the Windows key and press tab and you can cycle apps, click top of screen and drag down to close again.
Otherwise I cannot see what you are on about with sliding windows?