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i have watched a few videos on youtube about windows 8, i have come across the, Windows phone 7 style, and then there is the windows 7 desktop style!
and i have a few questions about them.
how is the windows phone 7 style going to work on non touch computers? if i have to click on every tile that is going to be dumb.
and the windows 7 desktop style, i watched a couple videos and its about julinux?!?! what is this??? its based on ubuntu? did microsoft buy linux? or is it just a REEEALLY good fake??
They are the same, but windows 8 has a "Windows 7 mode".
The defoult "theme" is the windows phone 7 style
They arent "2 version"
but they are getting rid of start menu changing it for the start screen with tiles.
its the same, both are launchers, so you launch your apps, your documents and apps from there. just like old start menu
of course now, you got a full screen launcher, with nice tiles which tell you info.
now there will be metro style UI apps. but since there arent metro style UI apps nor store in developer preview, there isn't much point to use the new UI. more than as a launcher, thats when we use desktop.
what is desktop? its like an app, to run desktop UI software, like we did before. now it will be like an app, since it wont be the centric point of Windows anymore.
but Windows needs to run the normal desktop software and thats the only way, having old desktop there.
and everything Works nice with nontouch. i have been using developer preview for a week and it works cool.
and obviously you have to click on tiles, tiles = icons, but they can display information, which is useful when you use more metro style UI which means having real apps and not samples like DP.
i dont know how that is dumb, since its the same you did with old start menu.
but its like the same, a launcher but gives more. since you will get information like windows phone, it looks cool (if you change some dll info like i did), and its for touch AND mouse and keyboard. so it can be used the way you want or need.
its a big change, but it doesn't change the same of what you already have with start menu.
if people complained about start menu from xp to vista. obviously people will complain about new UI. but its all about getting used to it, it took me some hours. to make it work similar way to start menu. so yeah it works fine. but not everyone will like this change.
Emi_Cyberschreiber said:
They arent "2 version"
but they are getting rid of start menu .....QUOTE]
Indeed its the same version, something ive found really awkward is that the Metro interface works really well on a touch device, i find it quick and easy to use and when PROGRAMS (!!!!) start using the tiles it will only get better, however i just find it a bit awkward using the mouse, it just itsnt as fluid and almost feels clumsy.
its fine for just launching stuff but to flick back an forward doesnt feel right, Win 8 has its place secured in the tablet market but Metro on Win 8 is going to have a hard time on non-touch desktop computers, win 8 its self is great on a desktop id like to add, even in its current state.
i cant remember where i read it but some one sumed it up quite well with
whats Win 8? Its Win 7 on Speed! (a Drug)
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if i install windows 8 on my windows 7 will everything be formatted ?
and other apps i install will that work ?
Create a new partition if you want a dual boot, otherwise it will overwrite your data, because currently there is no upgrade function. Most Applications will work in the dev release, but MS is changing Framework, so I am not sure if they will work in the final release!
I've encountered a handful of apps that give me grief on Windows 8, but they're pretty old after all. A few classic games that I own through Steam will install well enough, but are a headache to run.
In all fairness, I had similar trouble in Windows 7 (for some reason, a handful of old games redistributed with DOSbox fail to launch), so it's probably safe to say that anything Windows 7 can handle, Windows 8 can as well. For everything else, there are virtual machines.
josidhe said:
so it's probably safe to say that anything Windows 7 can handle, Windows 8 can as well.
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Not so true
anna0811 said:
if i install windows 8 on my windows 7 will everything be formatted ?
and other apps i install will that work ?
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Try this tutorial on how to dual-boot Windows 7 & 8: How to Dual-Boot Windows 7 and Windows 8 Side By Side
josidhe said:
so it's probably safe to say that anything Windows 7 can handle, Windows 8 can as well. For everything else, there are virtual machines.
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Not so there are a number of applications that will not run on VM ware, especially some of the tools required to work with Android phones.
My recommendation, get or keep an old laptop with Windows XP service pack 3 and your good to go.
Windows really should have everything backward compatible, but it doesn't.....Sigh!
Starburst13 said:
Not so there are a number of applications that will not run on VM ware, especially some of the tools required to work with Android phones.
My recommendation, get or keep an old laptop with Windows XP service pack 3 and your good to go.
Windows really should have everything backward compatible, but it doesn't.....Sigh!
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My understanding is that, with USB pass through in VMs, there are no significant limitations on what you can do with a USB device from within a virtual machine. There are extensive discussions on using tools like adb from a virtualized Ubuntu box, at least.
As for your final comment, you're on a strange side of the fence. It has long been a *criticism* of Microsoft that it struggled for so long to keep Windows backwards compatible, and many--MANY--users have wanted them to throw caution to the wind and "rebuild from scratch" the OS, with such compatibility-breaking demands as "eliminate the registry" and so on.
Android itself barely stumbles through version changes, with countless applications breaking on each new release,, prompting swarms of app updates with nothing on their change logs but "added support for 2.x". To this day there are apps on the market with separate entries for 1.x devices.
So I would expect advanced users to acknowledge that virtualization is the grand middle ground solution, allowing businesses with ancient tools to keep using them while advancing the actual OS without wasted development time.
I definitely wouldn't recommend formatting your current Windows 7 partition and installing Windows 8, as it's still a developer preview. Try creating a new partition and dual-booting, this would also allow you to keep all of your current programs and data on your Windows 7 partition.
Can anyone give me a good Windows 8 theme for Windows xp? Thanks in advance.
Just.... Install windows 8 seriously though a theme is pointless isn't it. The desktop is almost the same (minus the windows start menu icon). And the start menu itself has been replaced with the metro interface. I would just download the rtm and install it over your current XP OS
Aaron McCarthy said:
Just.... Install windows 8 seriously though a theme is pointless isn't it. The desktop is almost the same (minus the windows start menu icon). And the start menu itself has been replaced with the metro interface. I would just download the rtm and install it over your current XP OS
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Actually this is a good question because VSphere currently doe snot work and you cant run aduc in 32bit mode anymore meaning I have to have an xp hyper-v machine. I usually keep this on another screen but it would be good if it looked like it fit the rest as it stands out like a sore thumb. I know this is being picky but hay im a sucker for looks.
Will the windows 8 surface tablet by microsoft that will be released soon be able to run the softwares I am using right now on my laptop?
.EXE files, desktop, and every basic computer thing, or it will be metro use only?
I'm really confused right now, I installed windows 8 R,P on my laptop and although I got a Metro-mobile.like view, I still have my desktop, my softwares and the whole PC-organized (IDK how to name it)..
So will this be available on the tablet too? (the one that the rumors says is gonna be 200-300$ cheap and fight the Nexus 7 head2head.
Thanks.
The Microsoft Surface which will be available soon will not run your "old Windows" Software. It will be the "little" Surfae which is running Windows 8 RT (ARM based).
Your "old" Windows software compiled for x86/x64 Windows.
The second edition of the Surface - the Surface Pro - is running Windows 8 Pro and this tablet will run all your desktop software.
Oh I see, so I was excited about the Surface for nothing, cuz if its just a Metro like windows phone, we are back to a Big-screen-smartphone-tablet...
I wonder about that "PRO" edition.. I'll look up for it,
Thanks for your answer!
Your welcome.
Microsoft presented four editions of their new tablet.
Two editions for each Windows RT and Windows 8 Pro:
Microsoft Surface (RT) with Windows RT (running on an ARM processor) and 16 or 32 GB which will be available around the official launch of Windows 8 near to october 26th
and
Microsoft Surface Pro with Windows 8 Pro (running an Core i5 [probably]) and 32 or 64 GB which will be available about three months later than the "little" Surface (that would be the end of january 2013)
I would like to correct you posts, Surface PRO will have a desktop, and will able to run your old windows apps.
junpeikawada said:
I would like to correct you posts, Surface PRO will have a desktop, and will able to run your old windows apps.
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Didn't I say exactly THAT:
hanswurst24 said:
The Microsoft Surface which will be available soon will not run your "old Windows" Software. It will be the "little" Surfae which is running Windows 8 RT (ARM based).
Your "old" Windows software compiled for x86/x64 Windows.
The second edition of the Surface - the Surface Pro - is running Windows 8 Pro and this tablet will run all your desktop software.
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(last sentence! please read before posting ^^ )
mcjordan92 said:
Will the windows 8 surface tablet by microsoft that will be released soon be able to run the softwares I am using right now on my laptop?
.EXE files, desktop, and every basic computer thing, or it will be metro use only?
I'm really confused right now, I installed windows 8 R,P on my laptop and although I got a Metro-mobile.like view, I still have my desktop, my softwares and the whole PC-organized (IDK how to name it)..
So will this be available on the tablet too? (the one that the rumors says is gonna be 200-300$ cheap and fight the Nexus 7 head2head.
Thanks.
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You did not install RP as that is not available as a download it would of been an x86 version probably pro. The x86 versions are full on windows, I currently ise Enterprise 64bit as my work machine and my home laptop. TBH I spend hardly anytime in the metro interface.
RT will still have the desktop view and limited support for some older style programs - internet explorer desktop mode, office 2013 etc. However you cant install anything outside the marketplace. It will most likely get hacked but if you need old style windows apps you will need to get the windows 8 not windows rt.
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You did not install RP as that is not available as a download it would of been an x86 version probably pro. The x86 versions are full on windows, I currently ise Enterprise 64bit as my work machine and my home laptop. TBH I spend hardly anytime in the metro interface.
RT will still have the desktop view and limited support for some older style programs - internet explorer desktop mode, office 2013 etc. However you cant install anything outside the marketplace. It will most likely get hacked but if you need old style windows apps you will need to get the windows 8 not windows rt.
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On my desktop theres a logo saying "Windows 8 Release Preview, evolution copy.."
Its not the first trial that was avialable at first, I got updated and re-installed it with some new stuffs..
mcjordan92 said:
On my desktop theres a logo saying "Windows 8 Release Preview, evolution copy.."
Its not the first trial that was avialable at first, I got updated and re-installed it with some new stuffs..
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This is the last of the beta, sorry I read the t as a p that's my bad. You can get a free trial of rtm (the final build as it will be sold), but once the trial is up you will have to reinstall a proper copy you cant just change the key. I have mine because I have volume license with support as well as TechNet and it is already released to us.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/jj554510.aspx
You'll just have to check what processor the tablet comes with, if its anything ARM based then it will NOT run your old software. If its Intel based, probably called an Intel Atom processor then it will run your old software since it uses the traditional x86 instruction set.
Yeah I figured it out, it kinda dissapointing.. I wished the buy the cheap tablet one as my school tablet but it seems now that its gonna be very expensive which make me think back about buying a laptop instead, or stick with my old laptop..
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You'll just have to check what processor the tablet comes with, if its anything ARM based then it will NOT run your old software. If its Intel based, probably called an Intel Atom processor then it will run your old software since it uses the traditional x86 instruction set.
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I will note incase any noobs stumble across this that x64 is also x86 its just as its 64bit they like to use it to tell the diff etc.
They are x86 because they come from the 8086 from back in the late 70's and was only 16bit (I say only remember this was still the70's) and that replaced the 8080 (8 bit). The name just followed on (286, 386, 486, Pentium x86).
Hi,
I had a legitimate Windows 7, and recently I bought a legitimate Windows 8 Pro upgrade. Al went fine until yesterday when my SSD disk crashed.
I changed hard disk, re download from official microsoft site the Windows 8 Pro, put it on a USB and reinstalled windows 8.
Now the Windows 8 does not activate since it is saying that it is an upgrade and not a clean install version.
Wht are my option now?
Losing one day of reinstalling Windows 7 and on top Windows 8 upgrade is out of the questions, unless Microsoft PAYS ME all the time it make me lose.
Thanks for any advice
Sadly, I don't think you can activate Windows 8 with a upgrade key, when you do a clean install. I'm staying away from the upgrade and going with the full version due to this. I wish I had something more to say, but if you want Windows 8, you'll have to reinstall Windows 7 and then perform the upgrade to activate with that key.
Konner920 said:
Sadly, I don't think you can activate Windows 8 with a upgrade key, when you do a clean install. I'm staying away from the upgrade and going with the full version due to this. I wish I had something more to say, but if you want Windows 8, you'll have to reinstall Windows 7 and then perform the upgrade to activate with that key.
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I prefer to look for a crack.
Dumb me having given my money to microsoft
Worst case install win7 does not even need to be activated. Then install Win8.
What you really need is just a Win8 installer that doesn't care about upgrade or not. The key will work with any disc that installs Win8 Pro.
claudioita said:
Hi,
I had a legitimate Windows 7, and recently I bought a legitimate Windows 8 Pro upgrade. Al went fine until yesterday when my SSD disk crashed.
I changed hard disk, re download from official microsoft site the Windows 8 Pro, put it on a USB and reinstalled windows 8.
Now the Windows 8 does not activate since it is saying that it is an upgrade and not a clean install version.
Wht are my option now?
Losing one day of reinstalling Windows 7 and on top Windows 8 upgrade is out of the questions, unless Microsoft PAYS ME all the time it make me lose.
Thanks for any advice
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Installing Windows 7 then Windows 8 is hardly a full days work, more like 5 minutes of work punctuated by 30 minutes worth of waiting. Also, Microsoft doesn't owe you anything if you failed to follow the terms of their licenses and can't get the software to work.
Also, note that you can do a clean install by booting off of the drive, there just has to be another copy of Windows present on the system (I took the HDD out of my laptop and put it in to get past this, didn't touch the HDD on my laptop and it let it activate)
Thanks for letting me know how absurd the terms of the license of the company microshot are.
Probably you are right I should have waisted another 4 or 5 hours reading their entire terms of license, eventually asking a lawyer his legal opinion, before understanding that is not worth to buy their product.
Now I know.
netham45 said:
Installing Windows 7 then Windows 8 is hardly a full days work, more like 5 minutes of work punctuated by 30 minutes worth of waiting. )
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Not when you don't have a windoz 7 cd, since it came pre-installed on my new laptop last year
Ah, yes, I forgot that coming across those rare Windows 7 discs is next to impossible and takes months of prepping and searching.
Also, you could have just googled it instead of reading the entire ToS, it's not like the cause to your issue isn't common knowledge or anything.
Your best route at this point is going to be either installing the release preview (and upgrading from that), finding the recovery discs that came with your laptop, or borrowing a friends recovery discs. None of which take a considerable amount of time, I might add.
netham45 said:
Ah, yes, I forgot that coming across those rare Windows 7 discs is next to impossible and takes months of prepping and searching.
Also, you could have just googled it instead of reading the entire ToS, it's not like the cause to your issue isn't common knowledge or anything.
Your best route at this point is going to be either installing the release preview (and upgrading from that), finding the recovery discs that came with your laptop, or borrowing a friends recovery discs. None of which take a considerable amount of time, I might add.
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If the answer is: go find a windows 7 disc somewhere (in my house there is none), google to find out the legalities of microshot, download a 2Gbyte file from the internet, , install the preview, then install the windows 8 pro upgrade and HOPE AND PRAY that all get well
and if something goes bad, maybe you would add that I should have googled for the solution to the "uncommon" problem.
No thanks, I send the computer to a repair shop. I hope they install me a cracked version. Or I may just switch to Apple.
Good bye.
Torrent the W8 release preview iso, upgrade from that.
Legal, easy.
claudioita said:
No thanks, I send the computer to a repair shop. I hope they install me a cracked version. Or I may just switch to Apple.
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If you can't handle something so simple, maybe you would be better off with Apple.
Echoing what everyone else says. You're mad because of a hardware fault and you are blaming Microsoft for something that you consciously chose. The upgrade disc only works if you have a copy of Windows 7 Available, because it doesn't include some core files that are standard. If you install Windows 8 using the Release Candidate disc through MSDN/Whatever, and then input your upgrade keys, you should be fine.
This thread doesn't belong in this subforum anyway, as it neither pertains to Development, or Hacking.
xenoletum said:
Echoing what everyone else says. You're mad because of a hardware fault and you are blaming Microsoft for something that you consciously chose. The upgrade disc only works if you have a copy of Windows 7 Available, because it doesn't include some core files that are standard. If you install Windows 8 using the Release Candidate disc through MSDN/Whatever, and then input your upgrade keys, you should be fine.
This thread doesn't belong in this subforum anyway, as it neither pertains to Development, or Hacking.
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Actually, all Windows 8 versions have the same core files, there's just this one file that makes them operate/install differently according to their given version (Core, Pro, VL, etc.) by using a specific product key. That's why you can still perform a clean install using an upgrade disc, but only certain keys that are capable of activating a clean install would work.
Now back to the problem. You can either install Windows 7 and upgrade to Windows 8, or try install Windows 8 again via clean install and add Media Center for free at Microsoft website. I'm not sure if it requires you an activated Windows 8 to add features or not. So yeah just trying to help.
downloaderintruder said:
Actually, all Windows 8 versions have the same core files, there's just this one file that makes them operate/install differently according to their given version (Core, Pro, VL, etc.) by using a specific product key. That's why you can still perform a clean install using an upgrade disc, but only certain keys that are capable of activating a clean install would work.
Now back to the problem. You can either install Windows 7 and upgrade to Windows 8, or try install Windows 8 again via clean install and add Media Center for free at Microsoft website. I'm not sure if it requires you an activated Windows 8 to add features or not. So yeah just trying to help.
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Why would that help? The media center key is for downloading media center, it won't activate 8.
claudioita said:
Hi,
I had a legitimate Windows 7, and recently I bought a legitimate Windows 8 Pro upgrade. Al went fine until yesterday when my SSD disk crashed.
I changed hard disk, re download from official microsoft site the Windows 8 Pro, put it on a USB and reinstalled windows 8.
Now the Windows 8 does not activate since it is saying that it is an upgrade and not a clean install version.
Wht are my option now?
Losing one day of reinstalling Windows 7 and on top Windows 8 upgrade is out of the questions, unless Microsoft PAYS ME all the time it make me lose.
Thanks for any advice
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I came across the same and fixed by following this it worked for me
Windows 8 users who noticed that the operating system can’t be activated after the installation may want to try the following workaround that worked to activate when installing Windows 8 using an upgrade on a clean PC.
Open regedit by pressing Windows-q, entering regedit and selecting the result from the list of hits.
Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Setup/OOBE/
Change MediaBootInstall from 1 to 0
Go back to the start screen and enter cmd there.
Right-click Command Prompt and select to run it as administrator.
Type slmgr /rearm on the command line and hit enter.
Reboot Windows now.
Run the activation utility afterwards, enter your product key to activate Windows.
Cheers !
xenoletum said:
Echoing what everyone else says. You're mad because of a hardware fault and you are blaming Microsoft for something that you consciously chose. The upgrade disc only works if you have a copy of Windows 7 Available, because it doesn't include some core files that are standard. If you install Windows 8 using the Release Candidate disc through MSDN/Whatever, and then input your upgrade keys, you should be fine.
This thread doesn't belong in this subforum anyway, as it neither pertains to Development, or Hacking.
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I am mad because I PAID for a legitimate Windows 7 operating system on a new Laptop that I paid for. No windows 7 CD came with the laptop. And I fully blame Macro**** for this.
This is a fully responsibility of Micro****: they know there are millions of user without Windows 7 CD and many of them are buying the upgrade to Windows 8 (fool us). And when something happens you have to bring it to a repair center, or lose incredible amount of time, surfing forums, asking questions all over, downloading Gigabytes of software and so on.
Yes, Microsoft is a horrible software house.
Other option Macrosh*t can do is say from the BEGINNING that your version is an upgrade and cannot be installed, instead of letting you install all the OS and then tell you. What a piece of **** company.
link68759 said:
Why would that help? The media center key is for downloading media center, it won't activate 8.
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Umm, I was just TRYING to help dumbass. Because I've done that before and it did activate because it sees it as a VALID PRODUCT KEY.
claudioita said:
I am mad because I PAID for a legitimate Windows 7 operating system on a new Laptop that I paid for. No windows 7 CD came with the laptop. And I fully blame Macro**** for this.
This is a fully responsibility of Micro****: they know there are millions of user without Windows 7 CD and many of them are buying the upgrade to Windows 8 (fool us). And when something happens you have to bring it to a repair center, or lose incredible amount of time, surfing forums, asking questions all over, downloading Gigabytes of software and so on.
Yes, Microsoft is a horrible software house.
Other option Macrosh*t can do is say from the BEGINNING that your version is an upgrade and cannot be installed, instead of letting you install all the OS and then tell you. What a piece of **** company.
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This is a little confusing. If you hate and you've hated Microsoft then why did you buy a brand new Windows 7 laptop and then willingly bought an upgrade to Windows 8. Hey seems like Macrosh*t still got what they wanted. Lol cheers :beer:
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downloaderintruder said:
Umm, I was just TRYING to help dumbass. Because I've done that before and it did activate because it sees it as a VALID PRODUCT KEY.
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I have an unactivated computer, I just tried it, "Before you can add features, you need to activate first".
I appreciate you were trying to help, but you don't know what you're talking about, go home.
claudioita said:
I am mad because I PAID for a legitimate Windows 7 operating system on a new Laptop that I paid for. No windows 7 CD came with the laptop. And I fully blame Macro**** for this.
This is a fully responsibility of Micro****: they know there are millions of user without Windows 7 CD and many of them are buying the upgrade to Windows 8 (fool us). And when something happens you have to bring it to a repair center, or lose incredible amount of time, surfing forums, asking questions all over, downloading Gigabytes of software and so on.
Yes, Microsoft is a horrible software house.
Other option Macrosh*t can do is say from the BEGINNING that your version is an upgrade and cannot be installed, instead of letting you install all the OS and then tell you. What a piece of **** company.
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Your just plain stupid, and not logical. The time you've waited posting nonsense could have been used to download an windows 7 iso, installed it and upgraded to WIN8 and be done with it.
This happened to me. If you do an upgrade of windows 8 over the windows 8 install you have now you will be good to go =D