Hi all
Actually the subject speaks it self but,
As you probably know, after you install a custom ROM, you'll lose OTA eligibility which includes flash support for browser, bug fixes and much more.
Still, I know you'll keep on installing custom ROMs... So Convince me to install a custom ROM...
you lose (I was wrong you get OTA on custom roms) ota but anything OTA is gonna be on this site in seconds
When you are ready to void your warranty then install a custom ROM. What makes you think that these OTA updates won't magically find a place into custom ROMs?
With a custom ROM you get root access. You will never have root access with an OTA ROM, if you know enough about android and how to use root access then that should be enough for you.
henihazbay said:
Hi all
Actually the subject speaks it self but,
As you probably know, after you install a custom ROM, you'll lose OTA eligibility which includes flash support for browser, bug fixes and much more.
Still, I know you'll keep on installing custom ROMs... So Convince me to install a custom ROM...
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Chances are, anything included in an OTA update will be on XDA (by way of custom ROMS) before it hits phones via OTA. For example, multi-touch in the browser was already in Cyanogen's Rom (and possibly others). Sure, maps didn't have it, but only cause Cyanogen didn't enable it yet, posssibly because he figured Google would get to it in a short time anyway, who knows. The patch to enable full access to your memory was here first as well, and (at this time) we still don't know if today's OTA update includes this. Lots of other reasons to root, but if all you're worried about is getting OTA updates, you can stop worrying.
In fairness I've not noticed any performance increase on my Nexus One, since adding the Cyanogen rom on Sunday.
There are a few more apps, some extra options, and a really dodgy multitouch in the browser app, but I have to admit I don't really think it was worth it for me.
Fortunately I've got the nandroid backup of my stock rom, so in a week or so I'll probably restore that and get the OTA updates anyway...
the difference between cooked multitouch and the native one in the OTA is quite noticeable.
rather than estimating the pinch to zoom (like on the Hero/Sense UI) the new 2.1-update1 is extremely accurate zooming where your fingers are placed, as well as being smooth as butter.
Raymond77 said:
In fairness I've not noticed any performance increase on my Nexus One, since adding the Cyanogen rom on Sunday.
There are a few more apps, some extra options, and a really dodgy multitouch in the browser app, but I have to admit I don't really think it was worth it for me.
Fortunately I've got the nandroid backup of my stock rom, so in a week or so I'll probably restore that and get the OTA updates anyway...
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Is this possible? I think once you rooted, you can't get the OTAs anymore
if you are rooted but have stock bootloader and stock rom you can receive OTA updates still, and still install them aswell,
You do know that the features included in the official OTA that just was released a few days ago have already been placed into most of the available ROMs, when you root, you're really not "losing" the ability to get OTAs, you just are losing the ability to get them automatically sent to your phone. It just means you must install then manually, or, i.e, update the ROM your using.
When Flash 10.1 comes, do not worry, it will be in every ROM in a matter of hours. Or even before it is officially released - everything is possible after rooting. Also, after rooting, you are allowed to just do "more". Like have custom trackball colors, Nexus Torch, other apps that require ROOT access - and, for those who like installing different Android Builds, like Sense, that is all possible too.
rooting is more of a warranty issue then anything else.
this should do it look at the bottom 281 megs of free memory
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this should do it look at the bottom 281 megs of free memory
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Yep. But free memory is memory not being used for anything, so what's the point? It's an e-peen thing, like the guys who build triple SLI I7 gaming rigs with 12 gigs and use it to run WoW.
But one thing to consider is that an OTA update is generally well tested. Cooked ROMs are frequently not. The current Cyanogen 5.0 "stable" one has gone through three revisions in one day or so to correct for things that would normally be caught in a regression test pass for the "real bits."
The advantages of staying stock is that GOOG, HTC and TMO will have releases processes in place, quality gates for changes to pass, etc that the cooked rom scene does not.
The advantage of going rooted with a custom rom is you get new cool stuff sooner.
So. Root, nandroid and then try it out. If you don't like the result, restore. Done.
I'm running Cyan 5 beta 4. Have not installed the "stable" release build as I'm waiting for the bug churn to slow.
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this should do it look at the bottom 281 megs of free memory
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What software is that?
jabreu203 said:
What software is that?
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Advanced Task Manager.
Looking over the whole net to get an answer to this question.
What are the benefits of going rooted and installing a custom rom?
There is totally NO answer, cause the answer that EVERYBODY gives "you gain all the benefits of have your phone rooted" is just not an answer. What ar those benefits damn?
I know there's no straight answer, but I am looking for some examples....things that will show me some actual benefits in everyday use. And please dont give me the second most popular answer "you are able to install custom Roms"....
Yes...ok....but I want examples of the benefits of that, too...
(I have rooted my phone and installed Leedroid rom......and still trying to figure out why all that fuzz...)
Theres a whole search engine out there.
You serious? You necro'd a year and a half old thread to ask this?
If you go to any custom rom thread in this forum, you will be given access to a list of features.
Or you could google the rom in question, an example might be "Cyanogenmod features"
This was the second result:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Features
You say you have leedroid, which makes me suspect that A: you don't have a Nexus One, and B: You should have read the first post of the thread, where the features of the custom rom are included
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842802
Rooting gives you all the features of the custom rom you choose to install. Every rom has it's own set of features, which may explain why there is no single 'answer' you are looking for.
Rooting without installing a custom rom limits you to extra features like Nandroid back ups, and things like setCPU.
thanks for taking the time to reply. I figured that I was on a wrong phone thread only after I posted (I have HTC desire). I guess I have to spend some time with my rooted+rom phone to understand the real benefits myself.
henihazbay said:
So Convince me to install a custom ROM...
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Sounds like you are just lazy to me. You don't want to go read up like everyone else did. I say stick w/ stock rom so you don't make another thread that asking to convince you to go to a particular rom or just a bunch of random questions that are in stickies.
If you don't root, you don't get the 'H'!! LOL
If you ask everyone the forum, why they rooted their phone, 1/2 will not know why.
Some, surprisingly, believe they need to root their phone to get the 'H' to get faster internet speed.
Some believe their 'stock, non-rooted' phone always gets 'H' and that is how it comes from the store.
Some believe that if you root your phone, it will transform into a power ranger.
There are 2 reasons to root your phone as I see it
To access hardware you otherwise couldn't
To extend the life of your device by installing the latest/greatest custom ROM
For example, a stock N1 without root access can not utilize trackball wake, so if that is important to you, gain root access to the phone.
Also, the N1 is getting a little long in the tooth by smartphone standards and Google will presumably stop pushing updates one day. So if Android v5.0 is important to you, you will need root access to install CyanogenMod 9, which might help you squeeze more functionality from the phone.
The rest is software stuff. Notification power widgets, overclocking, toggle GPS via software are all dependent on root. But these things are just "niceties" and aren't necessarily limiting your hardware, IMO.
I have a NC that I rooted about a year ago. It has 1.01 on it. I have not done much with it (except install some game apps for my son and use it as a book reader.) Is there any point in updating it to 1.3? It seems I would have to "unroot" it to install the update and then re root it.
My question is, is it worth my time and effort?
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Supergroomer930
I forget all of the changes (you might be able to find them somewhere), but 1.2 I think just added mostly stability stuff and better support for magazines maybe? The big thing in 1.3 was apps from the B&N marketplace -- not such a big deal if you're rooted. It's nice to be on the latest and greatest, but realistically if you're happy you could stay on the version you're at.
With 1.4 due out shortly, you might want to revisit this question after it is out and you can see if you really want all of the changes since 1.01.....
I'm pretty sure the big updates were the update to a froyo base of Android and the addition of flash and the BN Appstore.
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I read that the NT wouldn't boot off of SD unless it was signed and I am wondering if 1.4 is going to insert this nastiness in the NC. It would effectively disable everyone using CM7 off of SD.
Maybe I will leave well enough alone.
Are there any mods or apps that people feel are more important then others? I have read about the Over clocking. Is it worth it?
Supergroomer
A couple of guys in my office got fires for Xmas, and they want to put a stock rom on them so they can use it like a normal tab and get the google market place.
Can someone point me to a tutorial for putting a new rom on a fire and a link to stock ICS or stock honeycomb for them?
Thanks.
derricks2 said:
A couple of guys in my office got fires for Xmas, and they want to put a stock rom on them so they can use it like a normal tab and get the google market place.
Can someone point me to a tutorial for putting a new rom on a fire and a link to stock ICS or stock honeycomb for them?
Thanks.
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There is no honeycomb port to the Fire (at least not yet anyway).
As for ICS, there is a port-in-progress that is in pre-alpha stage here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411895
There is a stable (good for everyday use) port of CM7 (Gingerbread) here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1390773
As for how to flash ROMS, take a look at this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399889
we are pretty much stuck with gingerbread right now as said above.
I'm using the CM7 that he linked to above. Downsides to this are that you loose the ability to use amazon prime videos and lending. Basicly, you loose the stock amazon app (which is integrated into the OS), so these are not available. You can however use the Amazon app from google apps, which allows you to read amazon books.
The ICS builds that are in progress still have to many issues for me to try them. Occasional issues with accessing SD card, no hardware video support and patchy sound.
Like what the above poster stated, your best bet at thee moment is cm7 if you are looking for a good, stable, daily os with marketplaces access. I personally am using the pre-alpha ICS build and am loving it despite the issues but it really is just for testing at this point.
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Also the ICS builds do not support USB. So you would have to boot to TWRP to mount the SD card to load files from your PC to your Fire. Then boot back to the OS to use the device.
If they just want the google marketplace then you can root and install the market on the stock ROM. If you want a custom rom, your best bet right now is CM7. If you give it a month or two I'm sure there will be a decent ICS daily driver out.
It sort of depends on how far you need to go before they consider it a "normal tab." I use mine on the stock rom for stuff I would expect out of a normal tab.. watching video, reading, listening to music, some web browsing, every now and then some robo defense or the like, etc. It works fine like that for me.
I've rooted and re-flashed three original Nook Colors so far, one being my own, all with CM7.1 and all with no problems. A friend of mine brought me his and asked if I could root and flash his too, but he bought one of the newer Nook Color 2.
As far as I can tell, the stock firmware is different, and the internal hardware is a bit different. I've been searching this forum and elsewhere for two weeks now, and can't find a definite answer. CAN I root and re-flash his newer Nook Color, or is it not possible yet?
If it is possible, can someone point me at a guide please?
Just to be clear: You mean a newer a NOOKcolor with the new screen hardware, and NOT a NOOKtablet, right? There's a big difference.
My apologies for being unclear, I was unaware there was a difference.
I'm referring to the Nook Tablet then, model BNTV250.
Start reading through the NOOK Tablet threads. Totally different animal in terms of rooting and loading alternate firmware. Due to the locked bootloader on the NT, things are taking longer than usual, but progress is being made daily. There are bootable SD options, but they are still alpha.
Thanks for the info. I've got plenty to look over it seems.
Sadly, from what I've read so far, my buddy is SOL for the time being.
Well, you can still root it and get a lot more functionality over stock. Believe me, once he sees the paltry offerings available in the B&N App store, he'll be screaming for escape from the Walled Garden. Put a door in for him. He'll appreciate it.
I'm perverse enough to rather like the B&N 1.4.1 interface, so I'm running my NOOK color on B&N firmware (rooted, of course). Once I jump out to an alternate launcher, there's not a huge difference. There are performance tweaks I'd like to have from CyanogenMod, but the device is definitely improved.
Some NT owners might have to correct me but I glanced through the NT room and have seen that with version 1.4.1, side-loading feature was removed regardless of virgin or rooted. Reports that we must downgrade to version 1.4.0 to regain that capability.
I just received a NEW NC from B&N as a replacement for my certified pre-owned unit that was damaged upon arrival. They upgraded me to a new one which was very nice of them indeed. They told me it would already have v1.4.2 on it. I just checked it out and this one has v1.3 on it. Is there a reason that I would want to keep 1.3 on it and block all future OTAs? Or does it not matter and should I just let it upgrade itself?
P.S. - I'm going to be running CM7 from an SD card.
Thanks folks.
Hi I literally received my Nook Color 1.3.0 on the mail today. This afternoon I rooted mine watching this youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV1cBDpNQic which made the process super easy.
I would recommand keeping 1.3.0 for root because I found the whole process to be quite easy although I don't know if new updates necessarily make it any harder. I mean after all if you are gonna go Cyanogemod why bother with the Nook updates.
I installed and tried two of the unoffical CM9 all day. Loved the interface, but after constant wifi issues and such I decided CM9 is just not ready yet for me. Been playing with CM7 Mirage Kang all night. Other than it being super fugly compared to CM9 things are working great so far.
Thanks to all Nook Color CM9 Developers for their hard work by the way. Looking forward to the Offical Nightly Builds whenever that may be.
I just bought a new Nook Color last week from Staples. It still only has 1.2 on it.
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[...] I mean after all if you are gonna go Cyanogemod why bother with the Nook updates.
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If you are going to run CM exclusively, why keep B&N firmware on eMMC? You'll gain a lot of flexibility loading CM on there instead.
If you are going to bother with B&N firmware (I do), then 1.4.x is a significant change. I think it's better than older versions, but a lot of folks liked the previous functionality. A big question is what you intend to do with it. For some magazine subscriptions, you must be running 1.4.x.
And of course, the bloody thing will update itself at some point if you don't block OTA updates.