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An observation and an opinion on the state of Android

Well, I was sitting at my desk and opened iTunes to start a song and the app store popped up, a list of games caught my eye(Real Racing 2,Battelfield Bad Company, Chaos Rings) so I clicked on the games tab....first, I have never even looked at the app store before now....I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THE LIBRARY OF GAMES, really has anyone ever looked at what is available for iCrap users!?
To be honest I am considering grabbing a 4th gen ipod touch(if I can get one cheap enough) just to play some decent mobile games, it is just crazy that these companies(ALOT of the developers also develop on Android) havent released these titles for Android, I am a little peeved that we don't have some of these titles, I mean if the an iphone 3 can play Madden/Chaos Rings/Tomb Raider then our Evos are more than capable of running them. Well, I haven't gone on a rant on here in a while so I guess I'm done now, but seriously.....THESE COMPANIES NEED TO PULL THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR COLLECTIVE ASS, ANDROID HOLDS SOMETHING LIKE A 48% SHARE OF "SMARTPHONES" IN THE USA RIGHT NOW, IF THEY WANT MY MONEY THEN ITS TIME TO COME AND PLAY WITH GOOD OL' ANDY THE ANDROID
There, now I'm done

honestly its not just heads in asses and (sure i'm gonna get haters for this) but the apple market pays better than the android market. Android users just don't pay up like apple users. Are we cheap? Maybe but thats one of the main reasons why development is slow another reason is Android is a baby platform just barely learning to crawl although lately its been running. theres also that issue with the fragmentation on android games. don't get let down because Google has been damn good at taking on problems and the developers for android are rapidly increasing. keep your head up things will change soon enough.

and how much longer has the app store been around? Give it some time, Android will catch up. I know we live in a world of now now now, but think about where the android market was even 1 year ago.

it may just be me (don't yell at me, just my observation)
my 2nd gen ipod plays games way better than my Evo. i agree we need more quality games on android but it won't happen until the hardware improves.
the chip in my Shift seems to do ok, and with the new dual core phones coming it will only get better. i think once the number of devices out in the wild are capable of playing them, the developers will start writing more games for the platform.
one advantage to the iphone/ipod i guess is you know when you develop for one it will run on all of them (3rd gen up of course, which most people have) where as android is (i hate to use this term, again, don't yell at me) fragmented (hardware wise) some phones are just flat out not capable of gaming, and they know if they release games into the market, there will be people who don't read the requirments and then flip out when it doesn't run on their first gen G1.

dills2214 said:
and how much longer has the app store been around? Give it some time, Android will catch up. I know we live in a world of now now now, but think about where the android market was even 1 year ago.
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Ding ding ding.
Android has done in one year, almost, what Apple has done in approaching four years.
People need to relax with the now now now attitude.
I mean jesus, at this rate it won't be long before Android passes the Istore.

T3hPWN said:
honestly its not just heads in asses and (sure i'm gonna get haters for this) but the apple market pays better than the android market. Android users just don't pay up like apple users. Are we cheap? Maybe but thats one of the main reasons why development is slow another reason is Android is a baby platform just barely learning to crawl although lately its been running. theres also that issue with the fragmentation on android games. don't get let down because Google has been damn good at taking on problems and the developers for android are rapidly increasing. keep your head up things will change soon enough.
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Yeah I definitely agree with this. Actually I agree with the OP as well... I came from an iPhone awhile back when the original moto droid came out. I love Android because of how open it is... but the Apps suck. Everyone goes on and on about how many more apps there are for Android, and how most of them are free... but they SUCK... for the most part. I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for Android.
But I agree that this will all get much better. We just gotta wait it out. And dont pirate paid apps... because that wont help with anything.
i<3android

Mr. Monkey said:
Yeah I definitely agree with this. Actually I agree with the OP as well... I came from an iPhone awhile back when the original moto droid came out. I love Android because of how open it is... but the Apps suck. Everyone goes on and on about how many more apps there are for Android, and how most of them are free... but they SUCK... for the most part. I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for Android.
But I agree that this will all get much better. We just gotta wait it out. And dont pirate paid apps... because that wont help with anything.
i<3android
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They will and then they will likely surpass it.
Just takes time and Google needs to improve the android system to support games including full hardware acceleration.
I think that people just expect way too much, even after the last year.
Think about it.
The last year was ridiculous for Android.
If you said a year ago that Android would have such a large percentage of the smart phone market share... or that it's Market would be closing in on the size of Apple [what is it 200,000 to 300,000 now?] people would call you crazy.
The amount of growth in the last year has just been ridiculous.
Of course, we can only hope for growth of that nature to continue but realistically, it wasn't even seen as possible last year.
We can hope for more apps and more improvements, as it benefits all Android users, but let's also not take for granted what has happened.

T3hPWN said:
honestly its not just heads in asses and (sure i'm gonna get haters for this) but the apple market pays better than the android market. Android users just don't pay up like apple users. Are we cheap? Maybe but thats one of the main reasons why development is slow another reason is Android is a baby platform just barely learning to crawl although lately its been running. theres also that issue with the fragmentation on android games. don't get let down because Google has been damn good at taking on problems and the developers for android are rapidly increasing. keep your head up things will change soon enough.
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You bring up some good points.
Android over taking the iPhone in the US (keep in mind that the iPhone still has a decent lead internationally) has been big news over the last few days. Some people like to think that more users equals more games/apps but what they fail to realize is that a lot of these new Android users are at the bottom of the pyramid (free or very cheap phones), this brings an interesting dynamic that is different from the iPhone. For one, a lot of these users bought very incapable low priced Android phones; and two, these users bought a cheap phone and would probably be less likely to purchase games/apps anyway. Android is surpassing the iPhone in sales largely because of these low priced phones but this will also lead it to becoming a less attractive platform for developers.
Other factors that make purchasing less likely on Android:
- No wide adoption of carrier billing.
- Just my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if piracy is more popular with Android users.
Whatever the reasons, people just don't buy as much apps on Android. Angry Birds being an ad supported game on Android and a paid game on iOS is a testament to that. I'm also curious to see the long term returns on game advertising. They make a lot of money now but the mobile ad space hasn't stabilized yet and I fully expect the CPC to go way down as it does - how many accidental clicks must there have been? Had to be tons; and regardless, who wants to go to the browser in the middle of a game?
Then you ad the usual suspects HW and OS fragmentation, etc. Android has a uphill struggle to get developers (and especially game) committed to the platform.

Award Tour said:
You bring up some good points.
Android over taking the iPhone in the US (keep in mind the iPhone still has a decent lead internationally) has been big news over the last few days. Some people like to think that more users equals more games/apps but they fail to realize that a lot of new Android users are at the bottom of the pyramid (free or very cheap phones), this brings an interesting dynamic that is different to the iPhone. For one, a lot of these users have very incapable of phones; and two, these users bought a cheap phone and would probably be less likely to purchase games/apps anyway.
Other factors that make purchasing less likely on Android:
- No wide adoption of carrier billing.
- Just my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if piracy is more popular with Android users.
Whatever the reasons, people just don't buy as much apps on Android. Angry Birds being an ad supported game on Android and a paid game on iOS is a testament to that. I'm also curious to see the long term returns returns on game advertising. They make a lot of money now but the mobile ad space hasn't stabilized yet and I fully expect the CPC to go way down as it does - how many accidental clicks must there have been? Had to be tons; and regardless, who wants to go to the browser in the middle of a game?
Then you ad the usual suspects HW and OS fragmentation, etc. Android has a uphill struggle to get Game developers committed to the platform.
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Carrier billing does need to be added. across the board. [But being on one carrier for the last four years aids in have 100% carrier billing ]
But I'm not sure I fully agree with the rest of what you say.
Honestly, a lot of what you're saying is moreso true for a year ago than it is now.
-The "low end android phone" this year easily has the capabilities and hardware power of Iphone 3g or 3gs.
-Android "fragmentation" is a vastly over exaggerated point comparative to a year ago. http://www.androidcentral.com/sites...487/2011/01/thumb_550_AndroidOS_breakdown.PNG
Side note: do you have any data that proves, not just suggests, that android users buy apps less?
Android may have more users than iPhone now, but that has only been true for a little while.
So how fair is it to directly compare the two? [some kind of percentage comparison would be better]

Award Tour said:
You bring up some good points.
- Just my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if piracy is more popular with Android users.
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Oh totally... because for an iPhone you have to be jailbroken to install an app not from the app store. Any android phone can side load a game. That's why it's so important not to pirate games.
Award Tour said:
Whatever the reasons, people just don't buy as much apps on Android. Angry Birds being an ad supported game on Android and a paid game on iOS is a testament to that. I'm also curious to see the long term returns returns on game advertising. They make a lot of money now but the mobile ad space hasn't stabilized yet and I fully expect the CPC to go way down as it does - how many accidental clicks must there have been? Had to be tons; and regardless, who wants to go to the browser in the middle of a game?
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Check out this link.... Angry Birds earns $1 Million per Month. They are still making tons of money but ad-supported games are definitely not the way to go. I wish they'd release a paid version. I'd pay for it.

Mr. Monkey said:
Check out this link.... Angry Birds earns $1 Million per Month. They are still making tons of money but ad-supported games are definitely not the way to go. I wish they'd release a paid version. I'd pay for it.
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$1 million dollars a month from a silly game is pretty damned good.
Also, you're free to donate to any developer you want.

Mr. Monkey said:
I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for
i<3android
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I can play Mortal Kombat 3, Legend Of Zelda:Link To The Past and Super Metroid. Do these count? Awesome games can be played on the EVO, you just have to know where to look BTW - I don't understand the fascination with hardcore gaming on a Phone. Even thou I have these games on my EVO, I have only played MK3, and that's just a few times. If I am at the Dentist (or comparable office), I just play Angry Birds or Jewel Lust just to pass the time. If I want to play a real mobile game I just bring my PSP or DSiXL with me. These games eat up the battery on a phone rather quickly.

Wow, for a little rant we seem to have good info and opinions here
Great points all around, I do realize how young the platform is and I also realize we have hardware/software fragmentation issues, I know we are getting there it was just a bit frustrating to see that this morning(think it was the coffee kicking in). It was said that Android users aren't the best of consumers at times, and I agree, BUT I can say that since I became an Android user and involved with XDA I have come to appreciate the value of software releases(game or app or LWP), I now know what goes into them and I honestly don't mind paying. Well, again great points made by everyone, one last thing... I have been following CES pretty close this year and with the hardware being stepped up exponentially by manufacturers and Google still churning out better and better software I gotta say I see 2011 being a good year for us

Mr. Monkey said:
Yeah I definitely agree with this. Actually I agree with the OP as well... I came from an iPhone awhile back when the original moto droid came out. I love Android because of how open it is... but the Apps suck. Everyone goes on and on about how many more apps there are for Android, and how most of them are free... but they SUCK... for the most part. I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for Android.
But I agree that this will all get much better. We just gotta wait it out. And dont pirate paid apps... because that wont help with anything.
i<3android
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While I agree with you that games are way better on the iphone/ipod, I have to say that when I found out that Doodle Jump was available on Android, I knew it was okay to get the Evo. I think that was the first step. Angry Birds is the second step. The third step would be to allow Android phones to play Scrabble with iPhones (with the iPad as the Scrabble board).
Also, iphone users like my Alchemy and Alchemy Classic games but they can't play them.

[Q] Update to Ice Cream and Tablet Apps

Okay, I've been waiting for the day... June 17th. Very sold on the hardware and looks, just not totally sold on Honeycomb and Sammy.
Q1: Is Sammy dedicated to upgrading the tablet in Q4 2011 to Ice Cream?
Q2: Are there really only 50+ tablet specific apps (major request)?
Q3: Honeycomb experience and consistency?
I've read two reviews so far that say the controls for honeycomb are all over the place, app drawer upper right, back and home buttons lower left, notifications lower right, app icons anywhere.... come on where's the consistency?
Sammy's UX. I'm one of the few that like Touchwiz, but I have grown tired of waiting for the updates on my Vibrant, if Touchwiz is going to slow my experience down with updates, no thank you to both. Knowing Sammy, they'll require you to download it.
Honest Answers Please

1. No one knows. However, Samsung is one of the companies who is promising to provide upgrades for 18 months on all their new devices. This was announced at Google I/O on day 1. It's not entirely clear what this means though..
2. 50+ means anything above 50 so.. yes, there are "only" 50+ apps, and there always will be.
You can find a good, up to date, list of tablet optimized apps here
there are 162 apps + 55 games on that list. Sure, it's not that many but I can do essentially everything I'd like to on my tablet. The official facebook and twitter apps basically suck, but I use tweetcomb and friend me. They work just fine. The only other app that I would really like is skype. the skype app works but it's not optimized for tablets and, of course, can't do video. this will never happen though, because skype is now owned by microsoft.
it all depends on what you want to do with your tablet, but I certainly do not find that there's anything lacking. I think the main complaint that most people have is the games. I honestly cannot figure out why anyone would want to game on their tablet though.. I play games on my phone when I'm out and I play games on my xbox or pc when I'm at home. I have no use for games on a tablet. However, I have bought a few games on my tablet just to try them out(and because I want to support android devs) and some of them are very good. All the ones in the tegra zone are pretty solid and there are a few other that are quite good.
3. This is all personal preference, isn't it? I like it the way it is but maybe that's just me. Some people like a boring-ass grid of static icons.. that, I will never understand.
Edit: I would also like to see tablet optimized xda and wikipedia apps. However, the browser works just fine for both of these.

+1 for XDA app optimized for Android tablet OS!
Does Tapatalk optimized for Honeycomb?

xdarooted said:
Q1: Is Sammy dedicated to upgrading the tablet in Q4 2011 to Ice Cream?
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I'm praying BIG TIME that my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 experience is NOTHING like my Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant experience.
If it is, then I expect the Android Ice Cream Sandwich update sometime the Summer of 2012.
But some people insist Samsung has gotten better. So I hope so.

smaskell said:
1. No one knows. However, Samsung is one of the companies who is promising to provide upgrades for 18 months on all their new devices. This was announced at Google I/O on day 1. It's not entirely clear what this means though..
2. 50+ means anything above 50 so.. yes, there are "only" 50+ apps, and there always will be.
You can find a good, up to date, list of tablet optimized apps here
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THANKS, good answers. I'm planning on reading and gaming, I don't have the xbox and ps3 or wii. Just my quad core pc. I don't do the tweeting and I try to avoid facebook all together. Jeez, I'm really not convinced on moving to this tablet if the dev community can't keep up to support the os...

50 or 165 and 55 games, doesn't that concern anyone?
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THANKS, good answers. I'm planning on reading and gaming, I don't have the xbox and ps3 or wii. Just my quad core pc. I don't do the tweeting and I try to avoid facebook all together. Jeez, I'm really not convinced on moving to this tablet if the dev community can't keep up to support the os...
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I would like to see more apps that are tablet specific. I'm buying a tablet for the tablet experience, not a ton of phone apps that look huge.

gogol said:
+1 for XDA app optimized for Android tablet OS!
Does Tapatalk optimized for Honeycomb?
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You get full screen forum views with Tapatalk, not stretched phone app.

Still on the fence!
Okay, do I really need 90,000 apps on ipad2, will i even come close to using a quarter of them? On the other hand is 165 or so enough tablet specific apps? I'm reading through the list and there's some good apps and variety, but when will there be tons and will it be worth the wait?
Please lets not veer off topic and start calling me an ifanboy, it's my friend that is the ifanboy... Anyway besides being locked into the ipad/apple experience, the option of 90,000 choices of apps is very very appealing.
What else am I missing software wise... do people like using honeycomb 3.1 on a day to day basis?
Please don't talk about the resizable widgets... that is trivial.

xdarooted said:
Okay, do I really need 90,000 apps on ipad2, will i even come close to using a quarter of them? On the other hand is 165 or so enough tablet specific apps? I'm reading through the list and there's some good apps and variety, but when will there be tons and will it be worth the wait?
Please lets not veer off topic and start calling me an ifanboy, it's my friend that is the ifanboy... Anyway besides being locked into the ipad/apple experience, the option of 90,000 choices of apps is very very appealing.
What else am I missing software wise... do people like using honeycomb 3.1 on a day to day basis?
Please don't talk about the resizable widgets... that is trivial.
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using my 10.1v for over a month, i'm really surprised how great most of the android-phone apps work on my tablet! if those applications are programmed in a proper way, you won't recognize any great differences between a phone and a tablet - android app! i use most of my phones' apps on the tablet and i really love it.
so it's not that you have just about 200 apps for your tablet! go on and try it! the apps just won't be stretched or zoomed in like on the ipad (had one before).
the only excpetion is when it comes to games.

you scream i scream we all scream for....

ICE CREAM!
is anyone else excited to have ICS (ice cream sandwich) on their xoom?
maybe then will we get some more rom development (props to team tiamat for pwning motorola so far!)
just thought id get the conversation going

Sadly i still don't have the 3.2 update but excited for the ice cream sandwhich? Sure Why not =P
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All for one and one OS for all is what I say!
Majin101 said:
Sadly i still don't have the 3.2 update but excited for the ice cream sandwhich? Sure Why not =P
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You should be excited! From 3.1 to 3.2 is not too much of a huge changelog. Main updates included the zoom feature, and the SD card read but not write. Now, from 3.2 to the alleged 4.0 ICS... that's another story! That's a HUGE update in terms of software development. So much will be added and improved... it's the real update to look forward to, especially since ICS will unite the phone and tablet into one super high quality OS that both will share and work together with. That makes compatibility issues much less complicated. All for one and one OS for all!
I for one, am super excited for ice cream!

i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.

patass said:
i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.
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The ability to store settings and data on the cloud was actually added in Android 2.2, few developers use it, unfortunately.
(In fairness the API is kind of wretched)

I gave up on expecting an update for the xoom
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Android's strength was that of fragmentation - different phones coming in different sizes with different hardware.
However this is also Android's weakness as developers have to test on a larger number of devices (and we all know it's financially impossible to own all devices).
With ICS this should level the playing field with Apple - we should then see some new apps coming in for the tabs (and phones!).

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i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.
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ZanshinG1 said:
The ability to store settings and data on the cloud was actually added in Android 2.2, few developers use it, unfortunately.
(In fairness the API is kind of wretched)
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I am sure I read Rovio of angry Birds fame was trying to get some sort of save-data-in-the-cloud style transfer between devices...

Gorship said:
ICE CREAM!
is anyone else excited to have ICS (ice cream sandwich) on their xoom?
maybe then will we get some more rom development (props to team tiamat for pwning motorola so far!)
just thought id get the conversation going
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Wait.... so is the XOOM going to get ICS? like OTA?

Lothaen said:
I am sure I read Rovio of angry Birds fame was trying to get some sort of save-data-in-the-cloud style transfer between devices...
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That would be a welcome addition. Using Titanium to sync my progress is kinda bulky.

burden010 said:
That would be a welcome addition. Using Titanium to sync my progress is kinda bulky.
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Yes it would indeed!
phone <-> tablet is a pain
Chubby_Skunk said:
Wait.... so is the XOOM going to get ICS? like OTA?
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We hope so - it was demo'd on a Xoom for I/O so I imagine it will - they'll probably be a 'Nexus' type device or other GED out for it - but Xoom will probably get it second (US Xoom).

Yeah i wish the could idea would work for game saves i HATE that i have to root just to get my save files to back them up in case anything happens. And i pray with ICS read and write is enabled for the SD card.

Just-in-time said:
Yeah i wish the could idea would work for game saves i HATE that i have to root just to get my save files to back them up in case anything happens. And i pray with ICS read and write is enabled for the SD card.
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they should introduce an sdcard/gamesave/ directory or something and have all gamesaves copied into that folder...

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they should introduce an sdcard/gamesave/ directory or something and have all gamesaves copied into that folder...
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That would be a bad idea because it would extremely limited where games can save data, and encryption would be more difficult. Plus old games would have to be updated
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the interesting thing is; they are compiting with the apple (according to me apple is compiting with them but still, as compainies it is the goal), and i believe this is why apple and android have the same date of releasing the ew sowtfare; the 4th quarter of 2011..
however apple has introduced the software, the new videos and betas are everywhere but there is no sign of ice cream sandwich yet.. this is risky because since we have no referance point to set our dreams we can dream whatever we want and this leads us to dissappointment in the end because there is no way to guess what they are doing..
so, i guess i am ready for a dissappointment and being suprised at the same time.. i have high hopes for ICS but i am trying to accept my device with honeycomb already and telling myself i did not buy it for ICS..
really, i have been asking to myself; "what kind of software are we dreaming of"? there are android devices with 600 mhz qualcomm cpus and quadcore devices are on the way.. how can they share the same software? there is only one example for that in the history; apple again.. apple updated the iphone 3g last time but they did not put multitasking and menu background due to the performance limitations..
and the other question is; "what kind of changes are coming for us"? android users are more professionals generally, but still i want some UI improvements.. i do not like my app icons are forced to be close only in the middle of the screen.. i want a menu which gives me the impression of wideness, so i will not feel i am drowning in the screen..

>but there is no sign of ice cream sandwich yet..
I skimmed through the 51-min I/O presentation to glean the major upcoming features of Android. The big thing are cloud features (video & music everywhere) which are rolling out independent of the OS. Even for cloud fans, these aren't a big deal, since similar options are available elsewhere. Mentioned in passing was an app-abstraction layer so apps can run seamlessly on any form factor. A "mini-big" deal, but already assumed since ICS is supposed to unify different screen sizes.
The Open Accessory initiative could be a big deal, but again that's not tied to the OS. I looked up "android open accessory" for 3rd-party announcements, and there were zip. The safe bet is if anything were to happen on this front, it'll be next year. Hopefully, it'll fare better than the GoogleTV effort. Logitech is learning the hard way that not all is golden in Android land.
The pie-in-the-sky stuff shown is the @Home initiative (I'm wondering if they had to pay AT&T to license that moniker, since [email protected] was acquired by Ma Bell a while back). It's the old Internet-appliance spiel rehashed and reclothed to Android skin. Judging from the applause level, most peeps in the audience were about as excited as I was.
So, the conservative projection (always a good idea) is that ICS will be what it was announced to be, one OS for all form factors. As explicitly mentioned, it will have the same hologram motif as the present HC, only that now your smartphone can run it as well. Any additional functionality beyond this will likely be minor, else it would've been mentioned. If you're wondering what's "minor," take as a benchmark that cam headtracking made the fit-to-be-announced cut.
Personally, the magic words I was looking for were "peripheral support," or "device support." MIA. I know, kinda boring. I like boring stuff, like using my scanners and printers and cams.
Anyway, I'm happy that 3.2 is out and about at least. That'll allow the 7" toys to show up this year, which is my preferred size. Looking forward to Sept to see what Win8 will have up its sleeve.

Oops, I left out one big feature for ICS, probably the biggest: unlike HC, it will be open-sourced.
Now, I'm sure ROM'ers will all rejoice, and I'm rooting (get it?) on CM8. But my biggest cheers are reserved for those poor bereft Shenzhen souls left out in the cold. YES! THERE'LL BE CRAPPY EL-CHEAPOLA ICS TABLETS AT LAST! ahahaah lemme check DealExtreme again..

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Oops, I left out one big feature for ICS, probably the biggest: unlike HC, it will be open-sourced.
Now, I'm sure ROM'ers will all rejoice, and I'm rooting (get it?) on CM8. But my biggest cheers are reserved for those poor bereft Shenzhen souls left out in the cold. YES! THERE'LL BE CRAPPY EL-CHEAPOLA ICS TABLETS AT LAST! ahahaah lemme check DealExtreme again..
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lol

Ics on the play who needs it?

Personally I couldnt give a rats ass about this update lol all ure gonna get is a few minor graphical changes and performance tweaks. All I want is for the playstation suite stores to open finally in my area.
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psxpetey said:
Personally I couldnt give a rats ass about this update lol all ure gonna get is a few minor graphical changes and performance tweaks. All I want is for the playstation suite stores to open finally in my area.
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I like the part where you clearly have no idea what you're on about.

Call me crazy, but I can't get that worked up about an OS.
The Xperia Play remains the device I've always dreamed of carrying with me, ever since I first saw the PSP and wished it could fit in a pocket and make calls and texts. If you'd have told me that device would one day stop getting official OS updates, I would hardly have been shocked or put off it. If you'd have told me the manufacturer released its latest beta freely and remained supportive of unofficial development (I know part of the thanks to that is Android), I'd have been impressed.
I have friends with Galaxy Notes and S2s and they see my gamepad, and freaking ZELDA on N64oid, and their eyes light up. It's a really, really cool device. Not that I hate their phones or anything, but I wouldn't swap. Hell I wouldn't swap for a Galaxy S3 or HTC One X or whatever the latest is currently. Now they may be the dream devices for some people here, but for me it would be as exciting as swapping a PS3 for an ironing board. If I didn't think that buttons are an essential for making games fun, I'd buy an iPhone, seriously. Much as I prefer the open nature of Android, iOS has many more apps.
90% of Play owners out there do not have root or an unlocked bootloader. They are not as technical as posters on XDA, and would not have been expecting game buttons to go wrong. It would have been a support nightmare for Sony to have let those people upgrade if there were going to be issues. For the rest of us, we can flash the beta / whatever dev roms we want. What I mainly liked about the ICS beta was the hardware accelerated browsing. But if Gingerbread ends up being the way to go, then I'll just use Opera for that. Nothing else on a generic gamepad-less ICS phone would really hold a candle to playing console games with buttons whereever I want.
I'm much more pissed off at EA for not making our optimised exclusives, FIFA and Dead Space, available in the UK for people who were too late for that deal, even to buy.

Its a phone im getting sick of tinkering with it....i just wanna play my games, text my *****es and occasionly call my parents and tell them im alive...ics pfft.

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I like the part where you clearly have no idea what you're on about.
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I find the part where you say that OP has no idea what hes on about to be worthy of a good ol fashioned facepalm.
ICS is pretty much all OP says it is. Graphical and Performance tweaks. Swipe off notifications (pointless as I have a handy little cross on Gingerbread that removes notifications anyway), Swipe task killer (not as amazing as it sounds as I have a better way...close the app properly) and some browser related stuff like hardware accelerated browsing and swipe off tabs (again, just open up tabs and click the little cross in the corner)
Almost everything on ICS is there to save you a whole, get this, few seconds. More often than not you dont end up swiping a particular notification/app/tab off and end up opening it instead.

abstractbeats said:
Call me crazy, but I can't get that worked up about an OS.
I have friends with Galaxy Notes and S2s and they see my gamepad, and freaking ZELDA on N64oid, and their eyes light up.
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On ICS, with N64oid you can use the gamepad touchpads.
(but atm, N64oid with ICS is still laggy ...)

Its true that we dont need it. But like my self i bought the phone since i have in mind buying an ICS but didnt wanted to spend $600 or more in it.
I own an ICS tablet and its the first android that doesnt need tweeks or that i find no use of a custom rom to make it work the way i like.
Do i need ICS on my xperia play?
Yes, please.

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I love the part where you think you do. Do me a favor, how about you buy a different brand of phone so you can realize that Sony is actually just as good, if not better at supporting their devices than HTC, Motorola, Samsung, [insert name here].
Better yet, skip a step and just buy a ****ing iPhone. It will compliment your douchiness nicely.

I dont need it, and I'm getting a Hayabusa when it launches locally.
I have a Xoom with 4.0.4 ICS and I don't see why everyone is making such a big fuss.
However, I would have liked to see Sony push out one more GB update for the play with updated Qualcomm drivers, updated Sony apps and maybe improved Web browser.

Im just saying its really not worth the fuss lol who cares what I want is what I was promised ps suite isnt this supposed to be a sweet ass gaming phone with a tit load of games ? I LOOOVE my emulators and the small library of optimised games and psxperia emu sony sure did **** the bed with this phone it could have been so much more!!! Still it is a TON of fun
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Note was a stepping stone..

Does anyone else here feel like the note was just a temporary stepping stone before the s3? I mean support from Samsung about the notes black crush and emmc issue have been ignored, most of the devs have jumped ship (not that I blame them) but I just feel that in half a year the notes dev community is going to start grinding to a halt :/ its sad because its a wonderful device and I love it but it just seems to have been moved on from so quickly by everyone. I mean look at the amount gb dev for this device! ICS comes along finally and not much has been done to it because people have moved on. Its a real shame :/
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I have yet to own an Android phone that HASN'T happened to (large portion of Dev's/users moving on to the "latest and greatest").
We still have some great dev's though, I dont feel too worried.Along with the fact that many of us do not care for the S3 so I don't see as mass of an exodus as many previous Android phones I have owned.
That and it's not like we have a vast choice of phones to compete with the screen of the Note, which in all fairness, is why a majority of us are here. It would have to be a whole lot more of a phone for me to want to downgrade to a 4.8" screen, and that is NOT the S3.
Note 2 on the other hand... I suspect to see the Note community get much quieter

I was only thinking the other day how quite the note development section is now a days.
Why?
There are only (for me) 4 or 5 custom roms that are of use to me. And only 2 of those see regularly updated. The rest are old and using old Sammy releases or cm9 of which i tried but never been a fan of. As for kennels their is only speedmod for me and hardcore does not seem to update very often and in my opinion is the only stable one but is lacking in development to reach his high standard.
I agree that with this device I would of expected a lot more going on with it.
Its a real Shame coos I too did expect more and its getting rather stale at present.
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its how android market is in general buy newest next best thing a few months around the corner
Also note is distinct enough not to qualify for steppingstone in my humble opinion
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I love my Note, probably the best device I've ever had... But I wish there were some kernels with bln! It really annoys me...
/CK

Personally? I have yet to see a device that scales the massive 5.3" size. Sure there WAS the DELL Streak before? but it's already been antiquated into oblivion (well there are still developers working on that device I believe, and most Streak users would bashed me for saying as an antiquated device ).
Anyway again, It's not much but just a personal choice or preference on why most people have jump ship to ride on the S3 hype.. I truly believe, given the size comparison alone, My Note is still a strong contender in any given smartphone field.
People can be superficial nowadays... all want to catch on what's in and what's the latest... some are in just for the heck of it.. and mostly are for JUST THE HYPE of it.
It's cool to brag along nowadays.. when you got the latest quad-core phone.
Personally I don't give a damn about people going overboard to the S3.. I am fully contented with my Note and what it can bring to my needs.
and you know what?
I gotta tell you, I went to a pub last week, there was this moron who was brandishing and showing off on how cool his S3 was.. He showed to a lot of guys inside, how smart his phone is, he toyed around, savoring the delights of the dudes there, playing games, using his SMART STAY and his POP PLAY... I can clearly see he was getting a lot of Ohhss and ahhs.. from the crowd....
hmm.. so what did I do? hmmm, nothing.. I sat beside him, popup my NOTE and played POP UP video and open up my POP Browser and played youtube video inside it. I then drag the two apps side by side on my phone.
Conclusion? Nothing.. the poor bud (upon seeing my Note playing those videos) literally just walk out of the club!!
So again, there's no shame having this massive phone with massive capabilities and features.
It can par up with dem quad-core joes.. ANY TIME OF DAY.... yeah!!.

Note rocks and Samsung knows it.
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Yes I also feel like the note was a stepping stone. Some tried to claim that the note was the s3.
carbonassassin, could you please consider resizing your signature. It literally takes up half the screen. Just a polite request. sorry if I come across as rude.

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carbonassassin, could you please consider resizing your signature. It literally takes up half the screen and is a bit much.
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Any phone is a stepping stone.
Galaxy Note @ mobile

carbonassassin said:
Does anyone else here feel like the note was just a temporary stepping stone before the s3? I mean support from Samsung about the notes black crush and emmc issue have been ignored, most of the devs have jumped ship (not that I blame them) but I just feel that in half a year the notes dev community is going to start grinding to a halt :/ its sad because its a wonderful device and I love it but it just seems to have been moved on from so quickly by everyone. I mean look at the amount gb dev for this device! ICS comes along finally and not much has been done to it because people have moved on. Its a real shame :/
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-1. sorry to say- S3 can not tale the place of G.Note, may be Note 2 and mostly Note 3 overtake.

is that true there there's less development for the Note now? So you mean I gotta go buy the Note 2 now to keep up? No SGS3 for me, it's WAY too small.
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I love my Note, probably the best device I've ever had... But I wish there were some kernels with bln! It really annoys me...
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Yes I think you will have to move to note 2 as very soon Dev's for note will cease

If you want the best support, get a Nexus device.
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It is called technology. All things in technology are so called as "stepping stone".
If there's no new products, means, technology go stagnant...
Means, developers are dead. No fantasy, no imagination, no development.
I like android, whereby the development is super fast. I thought I was just changing from froyo. Now we are on ICS alrd.
next will be Jellybean ? after that ? Will samsung stop the android, and move to Tizen ?
And it's a good strategy to use opensource like android, whereby, the software development can be just leave it to all developers. And manufacturers like samsung, htc, etc just concentrate on developing new products, and tease the end-users.
But, as a developers (programmers), just be frank... will you stay on old "toys" when the new "toys" are coming out ?
From what I know (since I'm a programmer also), I like to play with new toys. And if the new toys is much better, why not keeping on developing the new one ? As the old one, I will keep on maintain... But only when I can spare my time.
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I don't see it as a stepping stone but more of a test run.
The phablet market was completely open and unknown. So Samsung being the crazy adventurer they are decided to step in and "give it a shot".
If results were good, they would release a bigger and better one and give that one more support.
If it failed then, meh.
Clearly it hasn't failed hence the upcoming release of Note 2.
I agree that we lack a large range of developers, as compared to more popular devices like the S2 or the Nexus, but because this is just like a "trial" I'm sure as the phablet category gets more popular the Note 2 will attract more incredible developers.