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Steve Ballmer let slip that Microsoft is planning to put Windows 8 on phones.
This morning at the company's shareholders' meeting, a shareholder asked if we were in the post-PC era.
He started off his answer by insisting that we will ALWAYS be in the Windows era, then said "We've got broad initiatives driving Windows down to the phone with Windows 8."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/wind...ones-says-steve-ballmer-2011-11#ixzz1dnlhhRHd
*Update: Microsoft says that Ballmer didn't say that Windows 8 is coming to Windows Phone. Here's the official transcript:
We've got broad Windows initiatives driving Windows down to the phone. With Windows 8, you'll see incredible new form factors powered by Windows from tablets, small, large, pens, smaller, bigger, room-sized displays.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/wind...ones-says-steve-ballmer-2011-11#ixzz1do45FsZg
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/15/...indows-8-isnt-coming-to-phones-video/?m=false
if you listen to it, that is NOT how he says it.
either he was reading off a script that he had NO idea what was talking about, or microsoft has made a big change since he said that.
This means all XNA games are gone for good ? Or they will update XNA to DirectX 11.
i dont think that win 8 is suitable for phones, it's extremely complicate
HenryJe said:
i dont think that win 8 is suitable for phones, it's extremely complicate
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Now that the silverlight for Desktop/tablet is "dead" switching phones to Win8 would defiantly kill silverlight forever. Don't think this will happen in near future. There is still hope
dk5055 said:
Now that the silverlight for Desktop/tablet is "dead" switching phones to Win8 would defiantly kill silverlight forever. Don't think this will happen in near future. There is still hope
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What do you mean?
Focus more on HTML5 doens't mean the MS gonna kill Silverlight.
Silverlight is still required for Windows Phone and other stuffs.
I enjoy flashing roms and if I can't do that I may not go with a windows phone.
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please check out the windows phone 8 forum for windows phone. As for the question I would say wait and see because until we get our hands on with the device its impossible to say. We will have a much better idea in 2 weeks
I see I posted it in the wrong spot.
I saw in wp8 forum somebody posted a similar question and they're getting their head cut off.
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wmsforties said:
I see I posted it in the wrong spot.
I saw in wp8 forum somebody posted a similar question and they're getting their head cut off.
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It is quite a volatile question lol
I think the OP might be talking about RT, which does need rooting. There's no way to tell, though, until the tabs actually get onto store shelves.
RT will probably be a royal pain in the arse, if WP7 security has been copied on to Win8 RT then we are all DOOOOOOOOMED
at least until an OEM screws up and its bypassed
Win 8 (x86) probably fairly easy pickings and unlikely to give anyone any bother, its like your regular Win 7 so I don't foresee a big issue, secure boot might prove a concern but not in a "rooting" sense as you will already have that, it might be a wee bit trickier to install other OSs or to hack the OS but all the usual stuff will still be possible on a x86 Win 8
>RT will probably be a royal pain in the arse, if WP7 security has been copied on to Win8 RT then we are all DOOOOOOOOMED
It doesn't matter. All announced Win RT tablets are north of $600, which aren't competitive with Clovertrail tabs that can run full Win8, let alone iPads and Androids. Few will buy into RT this year.
Moreover, it doesn't matter if RT is locked down or not. Because Intel tabs look to be viable on performance & battery life, if RT gets to be a PITA about its walled garden, people (and hackers) will simply stick to x86 and Win8. The only loser is Win RT and Microsoft.
The first order of biz for Win8 is to put it on a diet and strip out most of the 20GB bloat, to maximize what remains of your 64GB storage. I expect Win enthusiasts will take on this task, as they did for XP (XPLite) and Win7 (RT7Lite).
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>RT will probably be a royal pain in the arse, if WP7 security has been copied on to Win8 RT then we are all DOOOOOOOOMED
It doesn't matter. All announced Win RT tablets are north of $600, which aren't competitive with Clovertrail tabs that can run full Win8, let alone iPads and Androids. Few will buy into RT this year.
Moreover, it doesn't matter if RT is locked down or not. Because Intel tabs look to be viable on performance & battery life, if RT gets to be a PITA about its walled garden, people (and hackers) will simply stick to x86 and Win8. The only loser is Win RT and Microsoft.
The first order of biz for Win8 is to put it on a diet and strip out most of the 20GB bloat, to maximize what remains of your 64GB storage. I expect Win enthusiasts will take on this task, as they did for XP (XPLite) and Win7 (RT7Lite).
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It seems you think that the majority of consumers are, well, us... We're outnumbered by an incredible amount man, the majority of people purchasing anything out there don't even know what "root" means... Nor do they care...
I don't exactly see how Microsoft is losing by successfully protecting their product where most others have failed. The only way to obtain root on most devices is through some security hole exploit or something, indicating that the developer did not want you to have root on your device, it is not like it's a feature of the operating system... Microsoft is just doing the same thing that everyone else has done, except they seem to be the only ones who have done it right... We love having full access to our devices here, we hate being locked down but I think that keeping us from breaking into their devices is technically a win for Microsoft & a loss for us.
>I don't exactly see how Microsoft is losing by successfully protecting their product where most others have failed.
Normally, a company erects a walled garden when it has something to protect, eg a successful product, or a market lead that it doesn't want the competition to copy.
MS is erecting a walled garden for RT, a platform that is yet to have any audience, and at launch will behind its competitors in every metric--pricing, content, software, hardware. Perhaps you would be kind enough to point to me what it is that is worth protecting. To me, it's corporate idiocy gone amok.
Putting aside RT for the moment, Win8 is starting its leak to mainstream media now. Of the various Main Street reaction pieces being written about it, one word sums them up: "confusing." If Surface tanks, it'll be just one more in a long series of failed MS initiatives. But if Win8 tanks, it's a hit to its main piggy bank.
I like Win8, but I'm aware that people will have different reactions, and IMO Win8 is going to have a rough time with the userbase--rough enough that a comparison to Vista may be appropriate. No need to argue about it. Launch is next week, and we'll get plenty of reactions from the hoi polloi.
I'd love to have a full-fledged OS on a tablet. But Win8 is a WIP, and my gauge it'll take at least another cycle for mobile use. For my current use, I'm bypassing the Metro UI and using it as a regular desktop OS. My opinion of Windows-on-ARM (RT) is much less optimistic. It won't die, but it will be on life support, waiting for a resuscitation in version 2.0. Let's hope MS perseveres.
Um... no offense @e.mote, but WTF are you talking about? Surface RT starts at $499, not "over $600" by any stretch of the imagination, and there are other vendors announcing Windows RT devices too.
As for "rooting" it... it's Windows NT6.2, and very similar to the desktop version. Getting "root" is a UAC prompt away, nothing more. Heck, you can log in as Administrator if you want to (it's disabled by default, as on Win7, but it can be enabled). It's a multi-user OS (unlike iOS and most if not all Android installs) and uses standard Windows accounts ("Metro-style" Windows Store apps use low-privileged chambers, similar to WP7, but the standard user experience on the desktop is pretty similar to on x86 Win8 except you can't run third-party EXEs.
Now, if you want to talk about bypassing that little restriction on the end there... that'll take some work. It's probably possible, but it will depend on where the check is implemented and enforced, how much debug functionality is exposed in the OS (some things, like sideloading of "Metro" apps, is already known to be available), and how many layers of protection there are. Worst case, it'll take a ring-0 (kernel, essentially) exploit to overwrite the loader check in the running RAM image. More likely, it will require some moderate tweaking to put the device into a "test mode" plus installing a custom signing certificate and signing your binaries, or something similar to that.
Hi guys,
I always dreamed about real Windows on Tablets. Now it's possible. Do you guys think it will be possible to develop Dual boot on those Win 8 RT devices or even powered enough Android Tablets of the Future?
Thx in advance for your opinions.
cheers
No.
Windows 8 tablets and phones have a security chip which prevents any code, other than windows, from being run at start-up.
Secure Boot should prevent any code not signed by a known certificate from being run - this will include all Android kernels unless they are signed by the manufacturer and the according signature loaded into the UEFI's store.
So unless someone finds a way to crack the UEFI on a certain device that is a no.
Oh my god why would they do that? The appstore? Damn baddest News this year -.-
But thank you For your answers.
Cheers
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Someone will crack it, just don't expect it to be any time soon.
I hope so, i think it's an pretty mainstream want. So the chances are good that many devs will try this and one Magic Dev will do it...:fingers-crossed:
I have waited from the IP1 until IP4 to buy an Smartphone. Because before it was just useless playstuff. (for me) So i can wait at least 1 or 2 Generations for this. I don't think about buying an RT device now or even this year.
cheers
I think Intel tablets will have an option to disable Secure Boot. Might be worth taking a look at some Clovertrail tablets - they should have decent battery life.
On the Windows side, you'll be able to use Windows 8 instead of RT.
Not sure how well Android works on Intel. I'd suggest doing some reading before spending any money.
No serious person will buy RT especially when you can get real Windows/Pro for the same price.
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Windows RT is not an operating system, it is a framework (why it is called Run Time) in which all metro apps are developed.
Tablets will come with windows 8 pro but with desktop frameworks disabled (who would use a desktop on a tablet anyway?), so you will be stacked with the metro interface (the mythical RT) which was created for the sole purpose of using on a tablet.
You won't explicitly buy "Windows RT" just as you don't explicitly buy "Windows Phone"
That's actually wrong. There is Windows 8 (the follow up to the previous Home Editions) and Windows 8 Pro (the follow up to the previous Professional Editions). Then there is Windows RT which is the ARM version of Windows 8 and yes they call it Windows RT.
Then there is the APIs which are called WinRT, as in Win32 for the Desktop APIs. In that regard Windows RT is a version of Windows where there is no access to Win32.
Yes Microsoft naming conventions are as confusing as this, see here for Microsoft's own comparison chart: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/compare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Runtime
They call it WIndows RT because that's the basic framework in which it runs.
WindowsRT is, by all means, a runtime and not a complete operating system. They used this naming convention so that they do not confuse the developers (WinRT is actually integrated in windows 8 and windows 8 pro). However, their naming convention confuses the customers. Windows RT is not something you buy directly(and therefore can not be classified as a product in their shop, i wonder why the lolz they post it there), and as i said, it comes preinstalled on some devices, just like windows phone is.
magicsquid said:
I think Intel tablets will have an option to disable Secure Boot. Might be worth taking a look at some Clovertrail tablets - they should have decent battery life.
On the Windows side, you'll be able to use Windows 8 instead of RT.
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Windows 8 is for x86/x64
Windows RT is for ARM
No amount of disabling secure boot would allow someone to run Windows 8 on an ARM device or Windows RT on an x86 device.
tai4de2 said:
No amount of disabling secure boot would allow someone to run Windows 8 on an ARM device or Windows RT on an x86 device.
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That's true. However, if you have a Windows 8 tablet, you get almost everything offered by Windows RT and more.
- You can run apps from the Windows Store in Windows 8.
- Same 'Metro' interface on both Windows 8 and Windows RT.
i.e. Windows RT is effectively an ARM version of Windows 8. Both are suitable for use on tablets.
I believe there are some downsides, however:
- No free Office RT in Windows 8.
- Connected standby apparently doesn't work on the more powerful Intel chips (although I believe it is coming in Haswell). I have heard it works in Clovertrail however.
- Possibly thicker devices, worse battery life or need for cooling fans (depending on CPU) on Intel tablets.
Additionally, in Windows 8, you can run old x86 desktop applications, which you can't on RT.
Any one done or know if its possable to get the new windows 8 tablet software running on a nexus 7 ??? Or know a good cheep android tablet that will dual boot it ??? Ty
Only want to have a little mess around with it and see how well it runs with an xbox before wasting money on buying one as already have a few tablets.
cubixgames said:
Any one done or know if its possable to get the new windows 8 tablet software running on a nexus 7 ??? Or know a good cheep android tablet that will dual boot it ??? Ty
Only want to have a little mess around with it and see how well it runs with an xbox before wasting money on buying one as already have a few tablets.
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What exactly do you want it to do with an xbox? It does no more than the SmartGlass app for Android can do.
Does a lot more then what smart glass does, music and video sync on the go sync to mobile phone and so on so many ways to link up the device all to work together. Also be nice to have a play with the new setups see how it runs and feels, what they actulay changed and what they just took from the windows 7.5 mobile edition
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Not going to happen for a handful of reasons, not the least of which are it being closed source, no drivers existing for our hardware, too much of a legal liability for anyone who tried, etc.
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Not even with as OEM copy of the software. I've seen things
Like the acer tablet on eBay with dual boot android and windows.
Looks like I might just need to invest in a windows tablet as well as my android
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No no no no no no no no no no
There is another thread that talks about this in VERY DEEP Details..
First there are two versions of windows 8
Windows 8 x86/x64 . Runs on tradition computer cpus
Windws 8 RT .. the tablet version Runs on Arm (TEGRA CPU) Similar to what nexus 7 has..
Windows 8 tradition version. The one you can buy will not run on ARM CPU
Windows RT is A ROM VERSION OF The os. NOT FOR SALE. Its Protected with boot-loader security beyond anything in the past. Beyond that Microsoft says NO.. You can only get this version From Windows 8 DEVICE PRELOADED..
So if you were to get a raw copy .. Making it work would be VERY ILLEGAL..
THE SHORT ANSWER IS Absolutely NO YOU CAN NOT DO IT..
Look for the other thread if you need to know more on the subject...
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No, you CAN do it, it's possible. It's just insanely difficult.
There are no drivers. There is no source code. You'll need to write a UEFI bootloader - which is also possible: it was done with HTC HD2.
And don't give me that bull**** about Microsoft suing you - if somebody wants to do this, they'll do it, and no legal department will stop them.
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No, you CAN do it, it's possible. It's just insanely difficult.
There are no drivers. There is no source code. You'll need to write a UEFI bootloader - which is also possible: it was done with HTC HD2.
And don't give me that bull**** about Microsoft suing you - if somebody wants to do this, they'll do it, and no legal department will stop them.
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The intellectually dishonest correlation to the HD2 needs to be put out to pasture as it really bears no relevance.
And you're absolutely right... laws don't deter thieves, or anyone else who is determined to act in a particular manner. Anything and everything outside of the law can get rationalized by someone determined to do it. If laws were alone were an adequate deterrent, then there would be no need for punitive measures. In the case of MS, they have a proven track record of aggressively litigating worldwide when it comes to whatever they consider to be their flagship software at that given time. Far from "bull****", it's quantifiable and qualifiable.
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The intellectually dishonest correlation to the HD2 needs to be put out to pasture as it really bears no relevance.
And you're absolutely right... laws don't deter thieves, or anyone else who is determined to act in a particular manner. Anything and everything outside of the law can get rationalized by someone determined to do it. If laws were alone were an adequate deterrent, then there would be no need for punitive measures. In the case of MS, they have a proven track record of aggressively litigating worldwide when it comes to whatever they consider to be their flagship software at that given time. Far from "bull****", it's quantifiable and qualifiable.
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No, this time they are making a new bootloader for UEFI to work. Just because it's a phone that used to run Windows doesn't mean that it's any easier.
I just hate that this place keeps telling people that things are impossible. Impossible and very difficult are two different things.
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No, this time they are making a new bootloader for UEFI to work. Just because it's a phone that used to run Windows doesn't mean that it's any easier.
I just hate that this place keeps telling people that things are impossible. Impossible and very difficult are two different things.
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I don't believe it was ever stated to be impossible. At least I know I never termed it that. It is, as I've said, unfeasible for the aforementioned reasons. If someone's determined enough and is able to essentially build a the necessary drivers, bootloader, etc, they would have licked half the problem. The other half being the likely consequence of their endeavour.
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Anyone else thought about this and the potential for a lawsuit for restricting lawful access to computer data?
The manufacturers are locking our devices... and these laws are in place for that reason. What do you all think?
I believe the ones that apply the most are 430(1) b and c. and 430(1.1) d.
Could we all potentially have a massive lawsuit forcing the unlocking of all devices in Canada?
Mischief
430 (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully
(a) destroys or damages property;
(b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;
(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.
Marginal note:Mischief in relation to computer data
(1.1) Everyone commits mischief who wilfully
(a) destroys or alters computer data;
(b) renders computer data meaningless, useless or ineffective;
(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use of computer data; or
(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with a person in the lawful use of computer data or denies access to computer data to a person who is entitled to access to it.
e=mc cached said:
Anyone else thought about this and the potential for a lawsuit for restricting lawful access to computer data?
The manufacturers are locking our devices... and these laws are in place for that reason. What do you all think?
I believe the ones that apply the most are 430(1) b and c. and 430(1.1) d.
Could we all potentially have a massive lawsuit forcing the unlocking of all devices in Canada?
Mischief
430 (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully
(a) destroys or damages property;
(b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;
(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.
Marginal note:Mischief in relation to computer data
(1.1) Everyone commits mischief who wilfully
(a) destroys or alters computer data;
(b) renders computer data meaningless, useless or ineffective;
(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use of computer data; or
(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with a person in the lawful use of computer data or denies access to computer data to a person who is entitled to access to it.
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Given LG got away with the bootlooping fiasco, i dont think you/we have a chance...sorry
If you ask me...
e=mc cached said:
Anyone else thought about this and the potential for a lawsuit for restricting lawful access to computer data?
The manufacturers are locking our devices... and these laws are in place for that reason. What do you all think?
I believe the ones that apply the most are 430(1) b and c. and 430(1.1) d.
Could we all potentially have a massive lawsuit forcing the unlocking of all devices in Canada?
Mischief
430 (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully
(a) destroys or damages property;
(b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;
(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.
Marginal note:Mischief in relation to computer data
(1.1) Everyone commits mischief who wilfully
(a) destroys or alters computer data;
(b) renders computer data meaningless, useless or ineffective;
(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use of computer data; or
(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with a person in the lawful use of computer data or denies access to computer data to a person who is entitled to access to it.
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I think Canadian laws are well overdue for an update. For instance, I legitimately found a Galaxy S8 LDU at a park this summer. It had the blue screen of death, "Security Error: This phone has been flashed with unauthorized software and is lock". So me, trying to do the right thing, take the phone to the RCMP. Well, first off, they all looked at me like I was a retard, One even made a comment saying, "why wouldn't you just keep it?" Then, they said they'll take the phone and after 30 days, I can have it back. If no one claimed it. They wouldn't ship it back to Samsung due to foreign regulations. So, now I'm stuck with an bricked S8 LDU LEGALLY. Can't get any support in the forums because they all look at me like I stole it. Samsung doesn't offer any support for it yet. NOW, to finish the year off, I bought a LG G6 after owning 2 g5'S within a year. Thinking, I'm gonna root the sheet out of it.... Way to C block me again law... (And NO, the C doesn't stand for Canadian)
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BUT, then I found this, https://www.androidinfotech.com/2017/07/lg-g6-canada-h873-nougat.html
Gonna try it later on tonight... Life's Garbage better not give me any nonsense... Or I'll be kicking someone's dog... lol
Sassiest said:
I think Canadian laws are well overdue for an update. For instance, I legitimately found a Galaxy S8 LDU at a park this summer. It had the blue screen of death, "Security Error: This phone has been flashed with unauthorized software and is lock". So me, trying to do the right thing, take the phone to the RCMP. Well, first off, they all looked at me like I was a retard, One even made a comment saying, "why wouldn't you just keep it?" Then, they said they'll take the phone and after 30 days, I can have it back. If no one claimed it. They wouldn't ship it back to Samsung due to foreign regulations. So, now I'm stuck with an bricked S8 LDU LEGALLY. Can't get any support in the forums because they all look at me like I stole it. Samsung doesn't offer any support for it yet. NOW, to finish the year off, I bought a LG G6 after owning 2 g5'S within a year. Thinking, I'm gonna root the sheet out of it.... Way to C block me again law... (And NO, the C doesn't stand for Canadian)
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BUT, then I found this, [DUMB RULE THAT I CAN'T QUOTE THE LINK LUL]
Gonna try it later on tonight... Life's Garbage better not give me any nonsense... Or I'll be kicking someone's dog... lol
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Did it work? If it's not on XDA, then it's most probably not real
e=mc cached said:
Anyone else thought about this and the potential for a lawsuit for restricting lawful access to computer data?
The manufacturers are locking our devices... and these laws are in place for that reason. What do you all think?
I believe the ones that apply the most are 430(1) b and c. and 430(1.1) d.
Could we all potentially have a massive lawsuit forcing the unlocking of all devices in Canada?
Mischief
430 (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully
(a) destroys or damages property;
(b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;
(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.
Marginal note:Mischief in relation to computer data
(1.1) Everyone commits mischief who wilfully
(a) destroys or alters computer data;
(b) renders computer data meaningless, useless or ineffective;
(c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use of computer data; or
(d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with a person in the lawful use of computer data or denies access to computer data to a person who is entitled to access to it.
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What I did was took to twitter and publicly asked LG Canada about it. I haven't received a response so far, but maybe if we start a social media "riot" so to speak, we may be able to elicit a response at the very least.