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You just have to read this article! According to 'beatweek' (no, I've never heard of it either) the Android OS is doomed to failure! Wow! Thanks for clearing that up beatweek! I'll just go trade in my Nexus One now and get an iPhone 4! Thanks for the tip!
http://www.beatweek.com/news/6810-verizon-needs-verizon-iphone-more-than-apple-after-droid-debacle/
Edit: Yes, I should've just quoted the article and not had you guys go to their website! So, here it is -
"Verizon needs Verizon iPhone more than Apple, after Droid debacle
July 25, 2010
Three years of talking about a Verizon iPhone, and still nothing to show for it. What we have instead are two facts that are sharply at odds with each other: Verizon customers want a Verizon iPhone, if their continual cries of the past three years are to be believed. And Apple is selling such an overwhelming number of iPhones to the point of extended delays and backorders, even with the limitation of continued AT&T exclusivity, that there wouldn’t be enough iPhone 4 inventory to hypothetically share with Verizon customers anyway. Apple can likely get out of its exclusive AT&T deal any time it wants just to by writing a large enough check, but that still offers no clue as to just when it might finally happen. But if you heard a loud thud off in the distance this week, it was the hopes and aspirations of the competing Android platform, in which Verizon has invested heavily with its Droid and Droid X, coming crashing down into what will apparently soon be a mere pile of rubble. As reported by CNN this week, a Yankee Group study reveals that an astounding four out of five current Android users have no plans to buy another Android phone. And that’s game over.
While Google’s own Android-based Nexus One phone has been canceled due to lack of interest, Verizon’s Android-based Droid has been selling quite well (though not nearly as well the platform’s most overenthusiastic users would like you to believe). But it doesn’t matter how many units you’re selling or how many new customers you’re acquiring if eighty percent of them are so dissatisfied with the platform that they’re already plotting their escape. It’s too soon to predict how many of the Android escapees will end up landing on the iPhone, but what is clear is that most Verizon customers who bought a Droid did so because they wanted an iPhone but weren’t willing to switch to AT&T, and so they settled for the closest thing to an iPhone they could get their hands on. Apparently not close enough, however, as the Android has now been revealed to be the fastest-sinking technology platform since, well maybe, ever.
But if the situation is so obviously dire that external temperature takers can now figure out that most Android users are looking to bail out of the platform when they buy their next phone, then it’s a safe bet that Verizon has already known this for at least a little while. So even as the carrier is dumping inordinate amounts of money in launching its new Droid X phone (and selling plenty of them, to be fair), Verizon likely has its left eye focused on endings the longstanding impasse with Apple and getting its hands on the iPhone to ensure that all these dissatisfied Android users don’t also leave Verizon when they leave the Android platform. In other words, Verizon now needs a Verizon iPhone more than Apple needs a Verizon iPhone. After all, that same CNN report shows that four out of five iPhone users plan to remain with the iPhone, the exact opposite scenario being faced by makers of Android-based phones. The question then becomes what kind of concessions Verizon is willing to make in order to get its hands on the iPhone sooner rather than later. After all, unlike Apple, whose cellular presence lives and dies with the iPhone itself, Verizon’s primary priority is in ensuring that its current customers remain with the carrier; which particular phone they end up buying is secondary to the fact that they simply stay with Verizon.
Not only do we now know that the Android platform is a sinking ship, we also know that Verizon knows it, and perhaps most importantly, Apple now knows that Verizon knows it. The timetable for a Verizon iPhone is still anybody’s guess, but with most current Droid users presumably ending up with an iPhone when it’s all said and done, look for Verizon to try to make a Verizon iPhone happen as soon as possible – and with Apple’s known penchant for driving a hard bargain with potential partners, expect Verizon to be in a much weaker bargaining position than the Droid’s cheerleaders might expect. Here’s more on the Verizon iPhone."
Oh look, CNN Money's ****ty article with no details about the statistics strikes again. Why are journalists so dumb not to think for themselves.
Formerly known as iProng. Yeah definitely rabid fanboi site.
sliverofme said:
You just have to read this article! According to 'beatweek' (no, I've never heard of it either) the Android OS is doomed to failure! Wow! Thanks for clearing that up beatweek! I'll just go trade in my Nexus One now and get an iPhone 4! Thanks for the tip!
http://www.beatweek.com/news/6810-verizon-needs-verizon-iphone-more-than-apple-after-droid-debacle/
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Quote the article instead of just linking - that way you don't drive traffic hits to their site.
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Quote the article instead of just linking - that way you don't drive traffic hits to their site.
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Agreed. Quote dont link.
Here you guys go, BEWARE: THIS ARTICLE IS GUARANTEED TO ANGER YOU MORE THEN ANY OF THE RECENT ARTICLES. They use that recent "bogus" statistic to prove that android is a flop basically. Also, this is from an iPhone fan site, so im not sure why we are even reading it, its no more important then an android article is to an iphone user base.
Verizon needs Verizon iPhone more than Apple, after Droid debacle
July 25, 2010
Three years of talking about a Verizon iPhone, and still nothing to show for it. What we have instead are two facts that are sharply at odds with each other: Verizon customers want a Verizon iPhone, if their continual cries of the past three years are to be believed. And Apple is selling such an overwhelming number of iPhones to the point of extended delays and backorders, even with the limitation of continued AT&T exclusivity, that there wouldn’t be enough iPhone 4 inventory to hypothetically share with Verizon customers anyway. Apple can likely get out of its exclusive AT&T deal any time it wants just to by writing a large enough check, but that still offers no clue as to just when it might finally happen. But if you heard a loud thud off in the distance this week, it was the hopes and aspirations of the competing Android platform, in which Verizon has invested heavily with its Droid and Droid X, coming crashing down into what will apparently soon be a mere pile of rubble. As reported by CNN this week, a Yankee Group study reveals that an astounding four out of five current Android users have no plans to buy another Android phone. And that’s game over.
While Google’s own Android-based Nexus One phone has been canceled due to lack of interest, Verizon’s Android-based Droid has been selling quite well (though not nearly as well the platform’s most overenthusiastic users would like you to believe). But it doesn’t matter how many units you’re selling or how many new customers you’re acquiring if eighty percent of them are so dissatisfied with the platform that they’re already plotting their escape. It’s too soon to predict how many of the Android escapees will end up landing on the iPhone, but what is clear is that most Verizon customers who bought a Droid did so because they wanted an iPhone but weren’t willing to switch to AT&T, and so they settled for the closest thing to an iPhone they could get their hands on. Apparently not close enough, however, as the Android has now been revealed to be the fastest-sinking technology platform since, well maybe, ever.
But if the situation is so obviously dire that external temperature takers can now figure out that most Android users are looking to bail out of the platform when they buy their next phone, then it’s a safe bet that Verizon has already known this for at least a little while. So even as the carrier is dumping inordinate amounts of money in launching its new Droid X phone (and selling plenty of them, to be fair), Verizon likely has its left eye focused on endings the longstanding impasse with Apple and getting its hands on the iPhone to ensure that all these dissatisfied Android users don’t also leave Verizon when they leave the Android platform. In other words, Verizon now needs a Verizon iPhone more than Apple needs a Verizon iPhone. After all, that same CNN report shows that four out of five iPhone users plan to remain with the iPhone, the exact opposite scenario being faced by makers of Android-based phones. The question then becomes what kind of concessions Verizon is willing to make in order to get its hands on the iPhone sooner rather than later. After all, unlike Apple, whose cellular presence lives and dies with the iPhone itself, Verizon’s primary priority is in ensuring that its current customers remain with the carrier; which particular phone they end up buying is secondary to the fact that they simply stay with Verizon.
Not only do we now know that the Android platform is a sinking ship, we also know that Verizon knows it, and perhaps most importantly, Apple now knows that Verizon knows it. The timetable for a Verizon iPhone is still anybody’s guess, but with most current Droid users presumably ending up with an iPhone when it’s all said and done, look for Verizon to try to make a Verizon iPhone happen as soon as possible – and with Apple’s known penchant for driving a hard bargain with potential partners, expect Verizon to be in a much weaker bargaining position than the Droid’s cheerleaders might expect. Here’s more on the Verizon iPhone.
I didn't read a single post of this thread. . .
And I can safely say from the title "hahahahahahahahah"
Eat my Android Apple, you've been hosed. Welcome to the new revolution in cellular technology.
Anything involving fruit can be discarded, Android is top of the line and constantly improving free of cost
Thank you to everyone that contributes, I love my Androids and would never consider owning an Iphony
lol, the whole site is an iProduct circle jerk worship session.
See, this is how the internet works.
Bozo #1 basically trolls or skews some information, blogs it
Random people find it and quote it
Other bloggers find it and quote it
It gets spread in random directions, most not attributed to the original Bozo #1
Bozo #1 finds blogs/tweets/etc "validating" his information and probably blogs such
Other random people quote that his results are lining up with other's opinions..
It's a circle of hell.
"While Google’s own Android-based Nexus One phone has been canceled due to lack of interest"
That totally discredits the author completely.
sliverofme said:
You just have to read this article! According to 'beatweek' (no, I've never heard of it either) the Android OS is doomed to failure! Wow! Thanks for clearing that up beatweek! I'll just go trade in my Nexus One now and get an iPhone 4! Thanks for the tip!
http://www.beatweek.com/news/6810-verizon-needs-verizon-iphone-more-than-apple-after-droid-debacle/
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No need to get upset =)
Personally, I find it quite funny.
Let them yell, Android is moving ahead in gigantic steps, and nothing can stop its business model. No-licence, 100%-customizable, manufacturer-indifferent, platform-independant, open-source software will always win. It's the law of the universe. You can't stop progress.
Think about it. It's Steve Jobs (as a sole manufacturer and distributor of iOS) VERSUS an entire WORLD of hardware manufacturers and software engineers. You can't win. Apple cannot possible have enough ideas or innovation to beat the whole planet.
So.. sit back, laugh and watch it unravel. It'll be a good story with a good moral for your kids.
It's pretty humorous how they extrapolated all that insight from a misquote.
Seems to me that this guy is just unhappy that he can't get an iphone on verizon.
Interesting he says that because this says something completely different:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-23/verizon-earnings-beat-estimates-on-demand-for-smartphones-running-android.html
"Thanks to the omnipresent green robot, Verizon reported a stronger second quarter earnings report than expected by analysts. The carrier added 665,000 net new contract customers in the period, topping AT&T's net addition of 496,000 contract signing customers despite the latter's launch of the iPhone 4 on June 24th. "
From both phonearena and bloomberg.
player911 said:
"While Google’s own Android-based Nexus One phone has been canceled due to lack of interest"
That totally discredits the author completely.
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exactly. its funny we have a quote from a verizon preson saying they did not cancel the nexus one, that they wanted it, but that it was google that cancelled it on them.
Just another false propaganda article that's not worth crap.
erikikaz said:
Interesting he says that because this says something completely different:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-23/verizon-earnings-beat-estimates-on-demand-for-smartphones-running-android.html
"Thanks to the omnipresent green robot, Verizon reported a stronger second quarter earnings report than expected by analysts. The carrier added 665,000 net new contract customers in the period, topping AT&T's net addition of 496,000 contract signing customers despite the latter's launch of the iPhone 4 on June 24th. "
From both phonearena and bloomberg.
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this is probably why that hater wrote the article
this site is defly a apple fanboy site. just look at his twitter! (if youre curious: http://twitter.com/beatweek) apple advertisements all over!!
"beatweek ....formerly iprong"...... wtf
guys, let this issue die, I think its embarrassing enough that they dont even read the statistics they are reading. Here is the real statistics.
http://www.businessinsider.com/that-story-saying-that-only-20-of-android-owners-say-theyll-buy-another-one-its-not-true-2010-7#ixzz0v12muYgx"
So, Based on what I'm noticing, people were expecting a dual core evo 2 for sprints big announcement and instead of was a dual screen kyocera. So whats all this crap about jumping ship to verizon?
You must have not read. Ask yourself this:
Who is Kyocera?
What are they known for?
Why Kyocera?
Why is the phone ugly?
Why are they releasing an already outdated phone when dual cores and other sick hardware is coming out?
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Also ask yourself what this has to do with Evo....
So you are saying you would consider getting one? Lol
bronxknight28 said:
So you are saying you would consider getting one? Lol
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I think he's saying he wouldn't leave sprint over it and anyone who would is probably a little slow.
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Maybe if the echo was the only phone to be released in 2011, id be looking at other carriers.
I think the fact that Sprint called this an "industry first" and generated a huge event/hype has caused many to lose faith in Sprint's choices.
Is it worth leaving over..of course not, but many of us feel embarrassed for a company we have been avidly supporting.
If they had just released this device without claiming it is the "latest and greatest" it would have been different.
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swaze said:
I think he's saying he wouldn't leave sprint over it and anyone who would is probably a little slow.
Sent from my HTC EVO
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All you FANBOIFAGS that are crying about sprint's big announcement NOT being the EVO2 are just crying to make yourselves look important and special.
EVERY company has facepalms, and crying about it and saying your leaving said company because of 1 announcement is just proof that you didn't even want to be with the company to begin with and are using the announcement as a scapegoat
I don't know about everyone else, but i don't come to this site to listen to kids cry about how their mommy has cut them off from her nipple and now they have to grow up and not have everything their way.
Neipas09 said:
...an escape goat.
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i Lol'd.
Neipas09 said:
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All you FANBOIFAGS that are crying about sprint's big announcement NOT being the EVO2 are just crying to make yourselves look important and special.
EVERY company has facepalms, and crying about it and saying your leaving said company because of 1 announcement is just proof that you didn't even want to be with the company to begin with and are using the announcement as an escape goat.
I don't know about everyone else, but i don't come to this site to listen to kids cry about how their mommy has cut them off from her nipple and now they have to grow up and not have everything their way.
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If I'm not mistaken, we have the right to have an opinion and a choice to choose what carrier we want to be with. If another company has better service/phones/etc. I think most of us would want to have the best. Big fail for Sprint.
packattack12 said:
If I'm not mistaken, we have the right to have an opinion and a choice to choose what carrier we want to be with. If another company has better service/phones/etc. I think most of us would want to have the best. Big fail for Sprint.
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So 1 bad phone is all it takes for a company like sprint to reach Big Fail status?
WOW....
I would hate to hear what you think about Porsche since every vehicle they have released for the past 20+ years looks pretty much the same.
Neipas09 said:
So 1 bad phone is all it takes for a company like sprint to reach Big Fail status?
WOW....
I would hate to hear what you think about Porsche since every vehicle they have released for the past 20+ years looks pretty much the same.
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying it was a big let down for many of us. I am not going to be switching just because of that or for any reason. Just saying everyone has a right to their opinion and its nuts when people start bashing. And just because people are leaving for Verizon doesn't mean they are going for the iPhone.
The evo is the best phone on the market right now and Sprint did the best thing they could do when they dropped the everything plan. Now all these other carriers want to bite off there plate. That is my opinion Sprint want come out with a evo2 until around summer they know what they are doing.
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The Echo hasn't made me want to switch.. yet; but it's preparing me to.
The EVO is a well featured phone but the CPU/GPU is severely lacking. As a tech head there's no way I can make it through another year with this phone. Right now I can see 1-2 high end WP7 phones and probably another WebOS phone being released in the Spring/Summer. With the amount of hype that Sprint put into this phone I wouldn't be surprised that Sprint thought this was their next EVO. Part of me doesn't want to believe that a major company could be this out of touch, but claiming an industry first and bringing out David Blane leaves me with no other explanation: Sprint is retarded.
So you have at least the Touch Pro 7 (which admittedly looks awesome but it's too early for me to adopt WP7), the Echo (Hell no), and maybe a new WebOS phone (hmm.. maybe, but I depend on Google Apps too heavily) coming out. How many very high end smartphones ($199+) does Sprint come out with a year? Seems to me like Sprint could be more than meeting their usual first half quota with those phones.
I'll wait until June and if nothing interesting comes out, the lack of great Android phones, absolutely horrendous 3G speeds, and decreasing of benefits will probably push me to Verizon. I'd just roam the F out of my phone while downloading Ubuntu over and over again. I carry a iPhone (personal) and Android (business) phones anyway, might as well family up at Verizon.
Bottom line is, I'll follow the development community's lead. That will be my next phone.
Neipas09 said:
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All you FANBOIFAGS that are crying about sprint's big announcement NOT being the EVO2 are just crying to make yourselves look important and special.
EVERY company has facepalms, and crying about it and saying your leaving said company because of 1 announcement is just proof that you didn't even want to be with the company to begin with and are using the announcement as a scapegoat
I don't know about everyone else, but i don't come to this site to listen to kids cry about how their mommy has cut them off from her nipple and now they have to grow up and not have everything their way.
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or could it be many people are getting frustrated with sprint, ok now every phone is going to have 10 dollar add on, yearly upgrades are now gone for alot of people(its the only reason why me and my girl have a joint plan with sprint) the 4g we have well its not that great coverage wise, also to point their handling of what the 10 dollar add on at first was needed for is a face palm.
Then to not show nothing off at CES but have their name as a sponsor everywhere their only to hold an event as industry first, to show off entry level smart phone.
Im not leaving sprint for this I am however this summer when my contract is up this spring
Not really understanding the name calling. If you appreciate having your telco telling you to grab your ankles then by all means.
Consumers vote with their wallets
BrianDigital said:
or could it be many people are getting frustrated with sprint, ok now every phone is going to have 10 dollar add on, yearly upgrades are now gone for alot of people(its the only reason why me and my girl have a joint plan with sprint) the 4g we have well its not that great coverage wise, also to point their handling of what the 10 dollar add on at first was needed for is a face palm.
Then to not show nothing off at CES but have their name as a sponsor everywhere their only to hold an event as industry first, to show off entry level smart phone.
Im not leaving sprint for this I am however this summer when my contract is up this spring
Not really understanding the name calling. If you appreciate having your telco telling you to grab your ankles then by all means.
Consumers vote with their wallets
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Just FYI, if you haven't heard or been living under a rock.....Just go look at what the other carriers are making you do that is far worse than grabbing your ankles. They are just trying to mask it by throwing a few nice phones out there, but that in no way covers up the fact they are continiously raising prices, getting rid of upgrades altogether and now even charging for things that are free on sprint. So its not like sprint is actually doing anything that isn't already being done.
ramiss said:
I think the fact that Sprint called this an "industry first" and generated a huge event/hype has caused many to lose faith in Sprint's choices.
Is it worth leaving over..of course not, but many of us feel embarrassed for a company we have been avidly supporting.
If they had just released this device without claiming it is the "latest and greatest" it would have been different.
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Yeah, I was a bit disappointed at the announcement. But, to be honest, Sprint did state whatever they were going to announce would be an "industry first" - and it was. Would I have booked David Blaine to do it? Hell no.
The HYPE, though, was actually generated by all the media coverage speculating as to what the announcement would be and ALL OF US here and on other forums starting ENDLESS threads about Sprint's announcement, hoping that Sprint would have a killer nuke to kill all the hoopla from the Verizon IPhone and Verizon 4G launch. And this obviously wasn't it.
We do still have CTIA coming up and Sprint has said that they plan to release more 4G devices this year. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they have something more.
As for the Echo, I'm going to reserve my comments as to what it is or isn't until I get my hands on one.
I do hope that Sprint pulls through and makes some better choices.
flipper12 said:
Yeah, I was a bit disappointed at the announcement. But, to be honest, Sprint did state whatever they were going to announce would be an "industry first" - and it was. Would I have booked David Blaine to do it? Hell no.
The HYPE, though, was actually generated by all the media coverage speculating as to what the announcement would be and ALL OF US here and on other forums starting ENDLESS threads about Sprint's announcement, hoping that Sprint would have a killer nuke to kill all the hoopla from the Verizon IPhone and Verizon 4G launch. And this obviously wasn't it.
We do still have CTIA coming up and Sprint has said that they plan to release more 4G devices this year. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they have something more.
As for the Echo, I'm going to reserve my comments as to what it is or isn't until I get my hands on one.
I do hope that Sprint pulls through and makes some better choices.
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I think if the Echo had a dual core, top line graphics chip, plenty of ram, and mention of getting 2.4 on it peeps would be very positive about the announcement. For me it was not the design or manufacturer, but the hardware specs that make it weak. I for sure can think of ways that having 2 screens would be beneficial.
I'm not leaving Sprint over it but I was pretty disappointed by the announcement. There is no tech geek alive that is looking forward to that abomination of a phone. I don't know WHO sprint is marketing this phone for. Business people won't want it, tech geeks won't want it, teens won't want it, and I think the only people who WOULD get it are the people dumb enough to get suckered into it by a Sprint CSR or store rep.
I am a Sprint customer for the awesome value, not because they don't live up to my expectations for a phone on a specific announcement date. People who are considering jumping ship because of this debacle really need to reevaluate their priorities in life.
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/06/08/sprint-iphone-currently-undergoing-advanced-testing/
We've heard a couple of rumblings in the past month or so suggesting that a Sprint iPhone may be on the horizon, and tonight the mythical device is back in the news. According to unnamed sources speaking with 9to5Mac, a version of the iPhone similar to the iPhone 4, possibly the iPhone 4S, is currently being testing by both Apple and Sprint. The tipsters claim that Apple ordered Sprint cell towers for their campus in late 2010 in order to test the device, which is similar to the process Apple went through while prepping the Verizon iPhone. The device that's currently in testing is said to be 3G-only, although it's said that talks of producing a 4G Sprint iPhone are underway. However, those negotiations may cause the device to be pushed to late next year, meaning that if we see a Sprint iPhone this year, it likely will not be 4G-enabled.
A separate report from Talk Android reiterates one analyst's claim that the iPhone 4S will be made available to both Sprint and T-Mobile. The site claims that AT&T/Verizon and Sprint/T-Mobile will alternate getting a new iPhone each year, with AT&T/Verizon getting first dibs on the iPhone 5. Additionally, it's said that if and when the Sprint iPhone does arrive, its users will need to pay $89.99 per month for a data plan rather than the $69.99 Everything Data plan that Sprint currently offers. In the same report, Talk Android claims that Sprint is planning to begin using an LTE network, a rumor that has surfaced several times in the past.
Rumors about a possible Sprint iPhone have been around for some time, but they've been getting a tad more frequent and more detailed as of late. The possibility of such a device existing does seem a bit more plausible since the arrival of the Verizon iPhone, and it could make sense for Apple to make a Sprint iPhone available in order to bring even more iOS users into the fold. That said, all of this information is still firmly in the rumor category for the time being, so it'd probably be wise to keep a grain or two of salt nearby. What do you all make of the latest round of Sprint iPhone scuttlebutt? Is the iPhone nearing release on the Now Network?
90 bucks ugh no thank you. If I want an iPhone ill just flash miui LOL.
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It will have to be a iphone9 to compete with the samsung sg2 releasing in july and the sg3 in the near future not to mention what the other manufactures have coming. If ICS is implemented in the 4th quarter/1st quarter 2012 to most phones and tabs to cure fragmentation Apple will be a pimple on Androids ass
Not to mention phonedog is so far up apple ass its hard to tell where one starts and the other one ends...just more of apples propaganda to brainwash the isheep
hah what both you said was very true=)
so are you guys going to get the 10.1 tab?
$90 a month? Are you freaking serious? No thanks... But if it is any consolation, I do think Sprint will be getting the iPhone in the near future.
I have trouble paying for my current bill haha. Can't even imagine paying more........
The galaxy tab is pretty 'meh' on my view. Limited/proprietary ports are the biggest thing holding me back from being interested in it. The 'Thrive' tablet that was shown at E3 lately was appealing, and then I found this:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/08/exclusive-dells-prototype-7-inch-tablet-touts-slide-out-split/
For me, a physical keyboard is a requirement (one reason I got the epic over the evo and others). Seeing a keyboard built into a tablet is awesome - it can be used when needed but doesn't require a battery draining weight adding bluetooth keyboard/case combo to pull it off. I've always been of the opinion that to add a keyboard in that fashion you've effectively made yourself a dumbed down laptop with a cell modem inside. That built-in slider keyboard is sexy though because it's out of the way when you can get by with touch-screen keyboard, but convenient and useable when needed for physical typing (when the virtual keyboard's screen real-estate useage is a pain in the ass).
I can't wait to see this tablet down the road.
More for less don't think so. The iphone lol what a joke the epic blows the iphone away. And with the evo3d and sgs2 coming soon why would anyone be intrested in an iphone. 3g at that. But hey that's just ppl on here. The uneducated masses who cant get enough of apple because its an iphone will proboblly still be intrested in this and raise sprints customer base so potentially a good move for sprint. But I wish sprint would turn away apple. And use all its energy too focus on android
Yup cant wait to place it along side my wifes ipad. Shes a 1st grade teacher and the school gave it to her and she thinks its a POS. Next school year theyre going to dump Apple and try Google Cromebooks and link the district through the cloud.
castro I hope your the 1st person on the planet to get the ota of gingerbread because the EC05 thread you started was truly epic
Best thread ever lol lol lol lol lol lol
what i think..................
android=freedom apple=ummmmm yeah
booooooo
qbking77 said:
I have trouble paying for my current bill haha. Can't even imagine paying more........
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not to mention who would take the how to reins if you defect
(pwr button vol down camera button till the bottom back light keys light up)
haha iam a A$$ but you all laughed admit it
no harm just humor
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-Moves-to-Block-ATT-Merger-nytimes-2904609364.html?x=0
Won't happen. It is up to the FCC on this one.
I wish people would stay the hell out of it and let the FCC handle it since its their department. They would know what would harm the market or not. not the Department Of Justice.
Guys it is going to happen. They have deep pockets. How do you think Google and APPLE buy so many companies?
I hope that it doesn't happen. Anything AT&T controls means bad for the customers and customers being forced to pay for items they shouldn't have to pay for.
cmsjr123 said:
I wish people would stay the hell out of it and let the FCC handle it since its their department.
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What is wrong with others' chiming in?
It's important that this merger does NOT occur.
Also,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1243224
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law
This is the reason why they are investigating.
mattykinsx said:
What is wrong with others' chiming in?
It's important that this merger does NOT occur.
Also,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1243224
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Im not saying its bad or good. I WANT the FCC to handle it not other people suing.. THE FCC are the ones who have the power. File your claims with them. Go through them not try to stop stuff by suing. ITS A SUE HAPPY COUNTRY.. that stops innovation easily.
The FCC can deny it and even accept it even if the lawsuit is won. Simple as that. This merger will drive prices down for us. Sprint will be better off. Verizon will become competitive to steal customers away.
Everyone says it will bring people to raise prices. Everyone else says it wont.
The FCC will look at the spectrum thing. Look at competitiveness.
I dont want people without a Business major or a ECON major telling me it will screw things up.
99% of the time the government is involved things are screwed up.
They once asked a major steal company to become a monopoly so that steal prices can go down and then after the war they sued them for being a monopoly.. seriously guys you want a agency dealign with this not the entire government.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/01/technology/att_tmobile_lawsuit/
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Im not saying its bad or good. I WANT the FCC to handle it not other people suing.. THE FCC are the ones who have the power. File your claims with them. Go through them not try to stop stuff by suing. ITS A SUE HAPPY COUNTRY.. that stops innovation easily.
The FCC can deny it and even accept it even if the lawsuit is won. Simple as that. This merger will drive prices down for us. Sprint will be better off. Verizon will become competitive to steal customers away.
Everyone says it will bring people to raise prices. Everyone else says it wont.
The FCC will look at the spectrum thing. Look at competitiveness.
I dont want people without a Business major or a ECON major telling me it will screw things up.
99% of the time the government is involved things are screwed up.
They once asked a major steal company to become a monopoly so that steal prices can go down and then after the war they sued them for being a monopoly.. seriously guys you want a agency dealign with this not the entire government.
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Anti-trust laws are partially in the purview of the FCC, and yes it can approve the merger even if the DoJ doesn't like it, but the DoJ is just doing its job at enforcing the anti-trust laws which it has complete jurisdiction of. Especially since AT&T has been broken up before
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iphone5 only at sprint?
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/10/03/2114206/sprint-bets-big-on-the-iphone
I hate to say this I really do.
But they have the cash... The cash can easily be spent on making the network the fastest there is. I wish a company with the $$$ would do this.
This is the first thing that I have ever read that involves Apple that sounds like a good idea to me. If Apple does buy the network they WILL put the money into the network to make it much better. Most likely the fastest of ALL networks not just the major 4. I hate Apple, I mean I really hate Apple,but if this does happen we could have a major overhaul of our network and we would actually get great speeds as opposed to the decent speeds in some areas and terrible speeds in other areas. I say for the first time ever to Apple, GO FOR IT!
Antitrust.
KJ
Noncon said:
Antitrust.
KJ
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Yeah, there's just no way this would be allowed.
And to the person that thought this was a good idea... yeeaaaahhhhh not sure what you're smoking.
We think At&t and Verizon [and really the whole industry anymore] are bad with the lock downs and penny pinching?
Let Apple own a carrier.
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This is the first thing that I have ever read that involves Apple that sounds like a good idea to me. If Apple does buy the network they WILL put the money into the network to make it much better. Most likely the fastest of ALL networks not just the major 4. I hate Apple, I mean I really hate Apple,but if this does happen we could have a major overhaul of our network and we would actually get great speeds as opposed to the decent speeds in some areas and terrible speeds in other areas. I say for the first time ever to Apple, GO FOR IT!
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I agree but I also have some reservations on this, mainly pricing. Everything apple makes tends to be on the expensive side. I'm on Sprint not because it carries the phone I want or because it's got the best coverage, but because it's the cheapest carrier for high end smart phones that include everything you need. No extra charges for GPS access or unlimited texting or anything goofy like that. Point I guess is that if Apple does buy Sprint I hope the pricing stays the same. Otherwise I'll probably have to move back over to Verizon or T-Mobile.
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This is the first thing that I have ever read that involves Apple that sounds like a good idea to me. If Apple does buy the network they WILL put the money into the network to make it much better. Most likely the fastest of ALL networks not just the major 4. I hate Apple, I mean I really hate Apple,but if this does happen we could have a major overhaul of our network and we would actually get great speeds as opposed to the decent speeds in some areas and terrible speeds in other areas. I say for the first time ever to Apple, GO FOR IT!
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Yes...and a 50% hike in your bill. And data throttling. And great data plans like "2GB for 25 bucks a month," And all the crap that goes along with Apple.....
Horrible idea.
RoC1909 said:
Yes...and a 50% hike in your bill. And data throttling. And great data plans like "2GB for 25 bucks a month," And all the crap that goes along with Apple.....
Horrible idea.
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You're a moron. Apple is not the cause of the throttling.
Apple makes hardware, and they've chosen a business model to make hardware for certain carriers, either because it made sense, or because that particular carrier bought exclusive rights. Don't quote me, but I think they sell the iPhone in a lot of countries. I don't think it would make much sense for Sprint, but then again they've been doing a lot of little stuff as side-business/sub-business because there is a market for it.
^^ ^^ Apple makes software. Not hardware. They buy hardware from multitude of companies
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I don't really think that would be a good thing. If Apple buy's sprint then I think Apple will start trying to close the market off for google's Android.
Man Steve must be rolling over in his......Oh wait too soon
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I don't buy it.
As mentioned above, Apple is a software/niche hardware company. They sell an image as much as anything. They would not want to get slogged down with wires and towers and coast-to-coast utility servicing....it just isn't what they do (or would be good at).
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Antitrust.
KJ
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1st off I'll let everyone know that I'm not a complete moron. I admit I can't build my own ROM but I can't see why this would violate any antitrust laws. How would this be any different than when the iPhone was only on AT&T? If you wanted an iPhone then you basically were stuck with AT&T. Plus when you have as much cash as Apple has you can "buy" a waiver from the government. Unless I'm missing something I can't see any way Apple buying Sprint would/could harm other mobile carriers other than those carriers couldn't sell the iPhone.
Antitrust, anticompetition, and a step toward monopolizing the industry. FCC cockblocked the at&t/t-moble merge, making the mere notion of Apple owning it's own carrier ludicrous at best.
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Antitrust, anticompetition, and a step toward monopolizing the industry. FCC cockblocked the at&t/t-moble merge, making the mere notion of Apple owning it's own carrier ludicrous at best.
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Antitrust, anticompetition, and a step toward monopolizing the industry. FCC cockblocked the at&t/t-moble merge, making the mere notion of Apple owning it's own carrier ludicrous at best.
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A carrier owning their own Network is completely fine under the law. If they wanna pay for it, it's theirs to have. As long as they aren't limiting peoples choice of networks, it's all fine. Clearly Apple would not be doing this. There are other carriers, and nothing Apple can ever do will make you unable to simply switch to one of them. Even if they made future iPhones Sprint exclusives, in the eyes of the law that is their god-given right and there's nothing shady or illegal about it. You *still* have a choice of networks, no one said you have a right to buy an iPhone.
And anyway, Apple will NEVER(mark my words) make an iPhone Sprint exclusive(except maybe for a few weeks at launch). This would be a slap in the face to all the people who support them(literally EVERYONE OF THEM at this point) by buying iPhones while on other networks. Not to mention Sprint is a very small Network and will always be compared to the big two, and nothing Apple can do is gonna change that. So why would they limit themselves in that way?
But despite everything you might read, Apple likely has NO interest in buying Sprint. Why the hell would they? Give me one logical reason? It just makes no sense what-so-ever. But those of you are are using Anti-Trust Law as a reason why it wouldn't be possible really need to look up Anti-Trust in a dictionary because Apple having a foothold in 2 entirely separate but logically linked fields isn't even remotely close to a monopoly. A monopoly of what? Them owning Sprint can't effect your choice of carrier OR handsets. Them owning Apple can't either.
@ landora, in your honest opinion, do you think this would pass through the FCC?
However, I totally agree with your business angle. It would shock me if Apple ever made an attempt to either merge or takeover one of the existing carriers. Cost would make it a huge risk, and too much capital and attention would be devoted toward raising customer satisfaction levels that meet their high standards.
I never said it was against the law, I listed reasons the FCC might consider if this ever got thrown their way. If this crazy notion ever made it through...and not that it would make business sense, what's stopping them from mailing free iPhones to their competitor's customers offering them better carrier service and pricing. Owning both entities could eventually pay off. Initially take a loss on the phone, a later profit from carrier fees. Existing carriers begin to fold not able to compete as Apple gains market share.
All this said without factoring in the broadband packages they could offer if customers purchasrd their macbooks or macpros.
This analogy is extreme, but how different would this be if say British Petroleum decided to by Toyota or Ford?
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To keep it simple
Hell freaking no.
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