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Am I the only one annoyed by all the people on these forums that are defrauding Samsung and T-Mobile?
I mean really, post after post, of people messing up their phones, completely their fault, even bricking it, then coming on forums complaining and trying to figure out a way to get a free replacement from Samsung/T-Mobile.
STOP IT! People like you are the exact reason phone prices will increase. With all this defrauding going on, we can kiss $199.99 smartphone price points goodbye, say hello to $400 cell phones with 2 yr contract.
Seriously, if you want to mess with your phone, that is your choice, you have a right to do so, however don't expect Samsung and T-Mobile to replace your unit when you messed it up. Root, apply lag-fix, new roms, etc...at your OWN EXPENSE.
Amen brotha! (high fives what I assume to be a fellow member of the cell phone industry!)
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For real? I doubt people defrauding tmobile is going to increase prices, they'll do that anyway just like with gas. The future will be expensive people.
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timisalf said:
For real? I doubt people defrauding tmobile is going to increase prices, they'll do that anyway just like with gas. The future will be expensive people.
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Its the same as stealing. So yes, they are a direct cause for price increases.
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If gps/lag wasn't so broken people wouldn't be so desperate to hack and break. These are the people who should have just returned their phones in the first place, which wouldn't have been any better for tmo or samsung. So considering they prob fit well within the returns a product like this deserves, I don't think it'll effect prices or forum members who work in the cell phone industry at all.
I'm annoyed that there isn't another phone on tmo that's worth switching to.
SamsungVibrant said:
Am I the only one annoyed by all the people on these forums that are defrauding Samsung and T-Mobile?
I mean really, post after post, of people messing up their phones, completely their fault, even bricking it, then coming on forums complaining and trying to figure out a way to get a free replacement from Samsung/T-Mobile.
STOP IT! People like you are the exact reason phone prices will increase. With all this defrauding going on, we can kiss $199.99 smartphone price points goodbye, say hello to $400 cell phones with 2 yr contract.
Seriously, if you want to mess with your phone, that is your choice, you have a right to do so, however don't expect Samsung and T-Mobile to replace your unit when you messed it up. Root, apply lag-fix, new roms, etc...at your OWN EXPENSE.
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Amen haha. After joining these forums I now respectfully understand why apple and at&t run things the way they do.
You're saying this now but if you ever **** up your phone, wouldn't you first try to get a replacement?
SamsungVibrant said:
Am I the only one annoyed by all the people on these forums that are defrauding Samsung and T-Mobile?
I mean really, post after post, of people messing up their phones, completely their fault, even bricking it, then coming on forums complaining and trying to figure out a way to get a free replacement from Samsung/T-Mobile.
STOP IT! People like you are the exact reason phone prices will increase. With all this defrauding going on, we can kiss $199.99 smartphone price points goodbye, say hello to $400 cell phones with 2 yr contract.
Seriously, if you want to mess with your phone, that is your choice, you have a right to do so, however don't expect Samsung and T-Mobile to replace your unit when you messed it up. Root, apply lag-fix, new roms, etc...at your OWN EXPENSE.
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And this comes from a guy who exchanged his phone 15 times because he was trying to enter into download mode the wrong way.
Gad13 said:
And this comes from a guy who exchanged his phone 15 times because he was trying to enter into download mode the wrong way.
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I did? It's called sarcasm, I was trying to make a point, can't believe you believed that.
richan90 said:
You're saying this now but if you ever **** up your phone, wouldn't you first try to get a replacement?
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No, I take responsibility for my actions.
Why should someone else foot the bill? Did I not sign a contract? Am I not an adult? Adults who enter contractual agreements should act like adults, not like children.
Maybe you are on a family plan and your parents pay your bill, but as an adult I take responsibility for my actions. If you root, or do anything else that goes against the TOS of your contract and warranty, then you should also be adult enough to understand that you have entered a contract, you have agreed upon terms and conditions, and you should also be adult enough to foot the bill for a new phone when you caused the damage yourself.
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No, I take responsibility for my actions.
Why should someone else foot the bill? Did I not sign a contract? Am I not an adult? Adults who enter contractual agreements should act like adults, not like children.
Maybe you are on a family plan and your parents pay your bill, but as an adult I take responsibility for my actions. If you root, or do anything else that goes against the TOS of your contract and warranty, then you should also be adult enough to understand that you have entered a contract, you have agreed upon terms and conditions, and you should also be adult enough to foot the bill for a new phone when you caused the damage yourself.
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This guy is as straight as a grizzly's d*i*c*k.
We need more people like you (not for the reasons you'd think we need you for though).
PoisonWolf said:
This guy is as straight as a grizzly's d*i*c*k.
We need more people like you (not for the reasons you'd think we need you for though).
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What do your comments mean? Mind elaborating? Be more direct, don't be afraid.
For starters, I haven't bricked my phone ever, and I've never brought my device back fraudulently seeking an exchange.
But if you ask me, Samsung is just as much in the wrong for manufacturing and selling
devices that do not work as advertised. Once the end user is beyond the trial period, they are locked into a contract with a faulty device. Look at the progress Samsung has made in the past 10 months towards fixing the problems with the Behold II device: NONE.
Given this company's track record with supporting their mobile cellular devices, it is easy to believe that they may never fix the deficiencies with this current line, and flashing a custom ROM may well be the end user's only viable option.
Lets look at the facts.
Samsung sells a phone to all of the phone companies (behold, galaxy) and market it to have all these features. Phone companies sell these phones and they make millions from these sales. Phones are defective and all parties know this but continue selling phones and marketing them with out ever telling buyers of the devices problems. they continue to make millions. When many buyers realize that said devices are defective and complain, they say we are working on a fix, but they never say that it will be fixed just that they are working on a fix. Phone sales continue and they keep making millions with full knowledge of the fact the these devices are defective.
WHO IS DEFRAUDING WHO?
The root of the problem is a BAD design of the recovery mode.
The recovery mode MUST reside in non-erasable area and MUST be available always.
But no. Any person who owns a PC and has an internet connection can brick his phone in no time.
I am really disappointed of the way the phone is designed. In software aspect.
Samsung even keep the unlock code in plain text /I am not complaining about it/. It must be a precedent in the cell phone history.
And we all pay for it. So many bricked phones. So many replacements. So much frustration.
I'll try at least to pay less money for a device designed like this.
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Lets look at the facts.
Samsung sells a phone to all of the companies (behold, galaxy) and claims it to have all these features. Phone companies sell these phones and they make millions from these sales. Phones are defective and all parties know this but continue selling phones and marketing them with out ever telling buyers of the devices problems. they continue to make millions. When many buyers realize that said devices are defective they say we are working on a fix, but they never say that it will be fixed just that they are working on a fix. Phone sales continue and they keep making millions with full knowledge of the fact the these devices are defective.
WHO IS DEFRAUDING WHO?
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THEN RETURN THE PHONE and purchase another BRAND. That's your decision to keep a unit you are not happy with, and insist on fixing it yourself.
Nobody is twisting your arm to purchase it. If you purchased it, and it doesn't perform as promised, return it. Plus isn't that the real way to make a statement? I WONT STAND FOR DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS, I'M returning it and buying HTC!
NOPE, instead what do you choose to do? You choose to purchase a produt, which you admit you are very well aware of Samsungs history, which you seem not happy with. So what do you do, you buy another Samsung product. Then you mess around with it, you mess it up, you complain, you then go in a cycle of exchanges, one after the other. If Samsung is sooo horrible, and by your own words, you are aware of their history, then why buy another Samsung product?
THATS YOUR FAULT.
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What do your comments mean? Mind elaborating? Be more direct, don't be afraid.
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Lawl, afraid? You're utterly hilarious. There is no need to try and shove it to our faces that you want us to know that you believe that you are the more intelligent, morally and ethically superior being amongst us XDA-commonfolk.
Are you addicted or do you simply enjoy e-confrontations?
Do you get some sort of e-pride when you have successfully convinced yourself that you've won the argument/debate/whatever-you'd-call-it?
Like seriously, if you think anyone gives a flying f*ck about your morals and ethics here, you really need a wake up call.
Mr. Adult, while I do appreciate your opinions on things, don't you have better things to do than to come to XDA and preach to us about how we should be good citizens on planet earth (or the USA)? I mean like, you can go recycle, tend to your farm in the backyard, reuse your feces for your farm, make sure your family members aren't defrauding cellphone corporations, etc.
P.S. Go start a myspace account. Link it into your signature and whine there instead, and stop it with these ridiculous threads that are cluttering up the board with bull****. Your posts are a waste of XDA bandwidth.
PoisonWolf said:
This guy is as straight as a grizzly's d*i*c*k.
We need more people like you (not for the reasons you'd think we need you for though).
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Still waiting for your explanation of what straight as a grizzly's tool means. I'd love to hear what that really meant.
lmFao
look at all these people trying to justify stealing.
lmFao
get off the high horse all you "robin Hoods"
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Lawl, afraid? You're utterly hilarious. There is no need to try and shove it to our faces that you want us to know that you believe that you are the more intelligent, morally and ethically superior being amongst us XDA-commonfolk.
Are you addicted or do you simply enjoy e-confrontations?
Do you get some sort of e-pride when you have successfully convinced yourself that you've won the argument/debate/whatever-you'd-call-it?
Like seriously, if you think anyone gives a flying f*ck about your morals and ethics here, you really need a wake up call.
Mr. Adult, while I do appreciate your opinions on things, don't you have better things to do than to come to XDA and preach to us about how we should be good citizens on planet earth (or the USA)? I mean like, you can go recycle, tend to your farm in the backyard, reuse your feces for your farm, make sure your family members aren't defrauding cellphone corporations, etc.
P.S. Go start a myspace account. Link it into your signature and whine there instead, and stop it with these ridiculous threads that are cluttering up the board with bull****. Your posts are a waste of XDA bandwidth.
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Ya it does actually annoy me, because I'm a consumer. When people defraud T-Mobile and Samsung, at the end it hurts all end consumers.
Eventually we will have tighter more strict returns, possibly even no returns, or returns with like 40 percent restocking fees. Cell phone prices will also increase, because of people like you, who decide to ruin it for everyone.
It is the simple truth, it was people like you that caused most retail chains to implement 15 percent restocking fees and get stricter on return policies. People like you who will cause companies with awesome return policies, such as Costco, to eventually do away with that.
At the end, your actions just ruin things for all end consumers, simple and true.
You think Best Buy, Apple and At&t are acting like Natzi's? All of you keep it up, and T-Mobile's policy will change too.
We all love our T-Mobile service, lets try and do something about it sign the petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/stop-t-mobile-from-being-bought-by-att/
EDIT: fixed link.
also found the following that could be helpful:
http://www.cell-phone-towers.com/will-the-att-merger-with-tmobile-help-consumers.html
adinis78 said:
We all love our T-Mobile service, lets try and do something about it sign the petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/sto...bought-by-att/
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Or you could do something useful like write, email and call your congressman.
you cant stop it.
and your link doesnt work
skdubg said:
you cant stop it.
and your link doesnt work
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It's possible if enough people let their representatives know they don't like it. But they won't. They never do. And there hasn't been a government with a spine in this country for 20+ years so it'll probably "force" AT&T to make some petty concession in return for the bazillions it'll make off it's substandard service and that'll be that. Americans are self-centered and lazy and you can take that to the bank. AT&T sure will. I mean really, an online petition? Does it get any lazier than that?
Since they aren't breaking any law, there won't ever be a government response.
And nice job with the insulting comments.
Whether they break antitrust laws or not will be decided by DOJ and FCC.
After reading
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-fewer-choices-once-att-swallows-t-mobile.ars
I feel very bad.
Good bye choices, prepare for higher prices and "innovation" that profits only ATT shareholders.
If att does not let me keep a month to month plan once my contract is over with tmo,if they merge, then i will prob go with metropcs or maybe simple mobile so att can look forward to loosing my $170 a month.
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Simple Mobile will sease to exist with T-mobile demise because it is a Tmo reseller.
It won't be any choices but go to Big brothers.
AT&T put billions at stake and they will pay their way unless people raise their voice.
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Simple Mobile will sease to exist with T-mobile demise because it is a Tmo reseller.
It won't be any choices but go to Big brothers.
AT&T put billions at stake and they will pay their way unless people raise their voice.
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Ahhh crap so i guess metropcs would be my only other choise
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Just think about most cases like this, big companies buying big companies out. When has a petition ever stopped it? I agree that its a bit crappy for US people but I Ruby there's anything that can be done abut it.
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rangercaptain said:
Since they aren't breaking any law, there won't ever be a government response.
And nice job with the insulting comments.
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Yes, there will a response because of anti-trust and monopoly laws and prove me wrong about the rest of it. There are entire business models based on the lack of attention and laziness of consumers in this country. Rebates, for example. On the surface you wonder how anyone makes any real money with them but they do because so many people are too lazy and distracted to mail them in. When they do, the first hitch that comes along is the end of it because they don't want to have to pick up the phone and talk to someone. Hell, look at all the questions on here that ask if there's an online way to do something because they don't want to have to pick up a phone and talk to someone. Whining about it doesn't make it less true.
markgamber said:
Yes, there will a response because of anti-trust and monopoly laws and prove me wrong about the rest of it.
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There won't be any of that - you can take your business to Sprint, Verizon, Boost, etc.
Why the venom? Take the edge off!
markgamber said:
Yes, there will a response because of anti-trust and monopoly laws and prove me wrong about the rest of it. There are entire business models based on the lack of attention and laziness of consumers in this country. Rebates, for example. On the surface you wonder how anyone makes any real money with them but they do because so many people are too lazy and distracted to mail them in. When they do, the first hitch that comes along is the end of it because they don't want to have to pick up the phone and talk to someone. Hell, look at all the questions on here that ask if there's an online way to do something because they don't want to have to pick up a phone and talk to someone. Whining about it doesn't make it less true.
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People are over reacting. Show me the anti-trust violation/monopoly violation. People will talk, then after a few weeks it'll be back to Charlie Sheen and his tiger blood, or Lindsay Lohan dropping her last name. Just chill. We'll all be grandfathered into our plans, and we'll be given the choice to update to AT&T when the time comes, or we'll be stuck with what we have. *shakes head at the American People these days*
Well look at the Ma Bell monopoly and innovation that came after breaking it up. Hope it not to much to ask
You think a bunch of people who don't want the merger is going to affect big CEOs who want to make millions is going to change anyone's mind? IF and say again, IF you got 10,000 people to sign a petition, do you think they care? 10,000 people who use T-mobile is nothing compared to the millions that have contracts with them. Your wasting your time. its not about better service or customer support and benefit. Its about M-O-N-E-Y. Always is and always will be. You mean nothing to a major corporation.
Some possible good news, hopefully, http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile’s-2011-roadmap-includes-plenty-android
Some bad, predicted news...http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-16/sprint-s-most-likely-buyer-may-be-centurylink.html
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/hotdocket/list
the case numbers like in the middle somewhere, you'll see AT&T
Help me and other users keep prices down and carrier amounts to 4! NOT 3!
Cmon guys, lets all do each other a favor and keep Sprint in business by reporting our thoughts. Remember!!!!!The responses you type, if you choose to respond, ARE public. If you want the merger to go through, and you are on Sprint, I would be curious as to why.
I don't know about everyone else but if this deal goes through, it can have negative effects for us, Sprint users, simply because we would now become the little guy and would either need to raise prices or merge with Big Red.
To be honest Verizon said they would not oppose the merger deal which leads me to think.
That they are either considering a buy proposal for Sprint/nextel
Or they are going to buy some other CDMA carriers.
They would loose their number one spot if this merger happens they must have some other plan to counter act it which would be mergers/buy outs of other companies.
cmsjr123 said:
To be honest Verizon said they would not oppose the merger deal which leads me to think.
That they are either considering a buy proposal for Sprint/nextel
Or they are going to buy some other CDMA carriers.
They would loose their number one spot if this merger happens they must have some other plan to counter act it which would be mergers/buy outs of other companies.
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EXACTLY! I like prices and companies the way they are no need to downsize and raise prices on consumer side...
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
Lmao right? ^^^
Anyways Idk if is bad or right, I mean if Verizon ain't tripping then why would sprint trip? If anyone in T-Mobile is there cause of the price then they probably go with sprint anyways
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phatmanxxl said:
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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Pretty much never.
This deal is going through you people need to get over it. Just watch.
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This deal will fail, they won't allow a single gsm carrier. Look at satellite radio for example.... oh wait, ****
phatmanxxl said:
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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They don't, this is just pretend.
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NewZJ said:
This deal will fail, they won't allow a single gsm carrier. Look at satellite radio for example.... oh wait, ****
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Lol I guess only time will tell. 3 major carriers will run the U.S. when it happens I will personally pm you a Smiley face and you will know what it means.....
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phatmanxxl said:
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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Good Question
dirkyd3rk said:
Lol I guess only time will tell. 3 major carriers will run the U.S. when it happens I will personally pm you a Smiley face and you will know what it means.....
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Not possible it will be 2. Verizon would be stupid to not offer a porposal to Sprint. To operate jointly while keeping Sprint as a seperate company but veriozn owning a majority share in Sprint. This would allow merging of the networks as well as verizon having control of Clear then as well. Verizon would be able to switch the WiMax towers to LTE easily as well.
To be honest They could operate as two different companies and it may be accepted by Federal Regulator Due to running as two sep compaines but merging the networks. Or they Are considering do this with other CMDA operators. Why would VErizon willing become Number 2?
Also the Merger with ATT and Tmo will be accepted;. They Will accept any comprises like selling off part of the Tmo netowrk or SPECTRUM to other carries to bolter the others so it doesnt look like much of a take over.
You peopel are foregeting mergers happen with compromises and This merger deffinetly HAS A FEW that will be made but accepted.
Verizon knows this and may do the same with sprint, or other carriers or use it to buy the networks or spectrum from the company or get involved int eh compromise.....
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Not possible it will be 2. Verizon would be stupid to not offer a porposal to Sprint. To operate jointly while keeping Sprint as a seperate company but veriozn owning a majority share in Sprint. This would allow merging of the networks as well as verizon having control of Clear then as well. Verizon would be able to switch the WiMax towers to LTE easily as well.
To be honest They could operate as two different companies and it may be accepted by Federal Regulator Due to running as two sep compaines but merging the networks. Or they Are considering do this with other CMDA operators. Why would VErizon willing become Number 2?
Also the Merger with ATT and Tmo will be accepted;. They Will accept any comprises like selling off part of the Tmo netowrk or SPECTRUM to other carries to bolter the others so it doesnt look like much of a take over.
You peopel are foregeting mergers happen with compromises and This merger deffinetly HAS A FEW that will be made but accepted.
Verizon knows this and may do the same with sprint, or other carriers or use it to buy the networks or spectrum from the company or get involved int eh compromise.....
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which leads from 4, into 3, into possibly 2, into less competition, which turns into HIGHER PRICES
iitreatedii said:
which leads from 4, into 3, into possibly 2, into less competition, which turns into HIGHER PRICES
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Not true I dont condone this or anhything but
I SAID if verizon chooses to operate as TWO independant companies. you would have the image of 3 companies and Sprint would/may have different pricings still.
Might be a benifit on some sides. While negatives are the possibilites of TOTAl incorpoation of sprint into verizonw hich i doubt would be accpeted but would screw all of us entirely.
Still It is the only way verizon will be able to fight back. And verizon will fight back . AND STRONG.
Also 2 big companies left. offering Similar speeds and the SAME 4G technology will have to fight each other for new subsribers and will have to offer different and better services or fight back with pricings. The prices could go up or they could enter into a price war. No matter what happens there will be mergers or majority stock buyings simple as that.
I'm saying what i think will/could happen. Do you think customers would be able to stop things. Ya right. We are considered expendable.
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Not true I dont condone this or anhything but
I SAID if verizon chooses to operate as TWO independant companies. you would have the image of 3 companies and Sprint would/may have different pricings still.
Might be a benifit on some sides. While negatives are the possibilites of TOTAl incorpoation of sprint into verizonw hich i doubt would be accpeted but would screw all of us entirely.
Still It is the only way verizon will be able to fight back. And verizon will fight back . AND STRONG.
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thats like saying when someone is about to get run over by a car...they can either get run over or not get run over, it's their choice...obviously they are going to avoid the bad one...cmon now verizon will fight back against it and it will have negative effects on sprint because sprint will have to compete too. if their are 3 companies it would make 1 great and 2 poor, the equivilant of 2 Crickets and 1 verizon today...this is why i don't condone it...
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thats like saying when someone is about to get run over by a car...they can either get run over or not get run over, it's their choice...obviously they are going to avoid the bad one...cmon now verizon will fight back against it and it will have negative effects on sprint because sprint will have to compete too. if their are 3 companies it would make 1 great and 2 poor, the equivilant of 2 Crickets and 1 verizon today...this is why i don't condone it...
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You are right this is why i think verizon will invest in a majority share of Sprint/nextel for the simple reason of competeing. In doing so if tmo and sprint where bought out or taken over they will have to give up or sell parts of the network of spectrum in which another company will take over the number 3 and 4 spot although smaller. Either way Sprint will be affected. Sprint won't live if Tmo and att merge. They wont be able to compete. It is hard for them even now. That is why i think they will get bought in some method.
oh okay, i must have misunderstood you originally, yeah we need to at least try to stop this merge with our opinions, it can't hurt, i want to be on sprint and have sprint rise to the top
iitreatedii said:
oh okay, i must have misunderstood you originally, yeah we need to at least try to stop this merge with our opinions, it can't hurt, i want to be on sprint and have sprint rise to the top
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True. We do need to voice our opinions but Money tends to buy people at very high levels of the regulatory committies.
Also If sprint could scale its network better they probably would get more customers. As for now Sprint is in a limbo state if the merger goes through sprint will have to be bought by Verizon to stay competing they will just fall apart if they dont. :/ I like the prices they have now it is great prices, good phones.
I would approve of a majority buyout of sprint as LONG as it stays a seperate company. or something like that. As long as we get to keep our plans without a fuss it be fine. But that wont happen so Im opposed of the Tmo merger just because it will force companies to buy smaller ones adn f everything up.
cmsjr123 said:
True. We do need to voice our opinions but Money tends to buy people at very high levels of the regulatory committies.
Also If sprint could scale its network better they probably would get more customers. As for now Sprint is in a limbo state if the merger goes through sprint will have to be bought by Verizon to stay competing they will just fall apart if they dont. :/ I like the prices they have now it is great prices, good phones.
I would approve of a majority buyout of sprint as LONG as it stays a seperate company. or something like that. As long as we get to keep our plans without a fuss it be fine. But that wont happen so Im opposed of the Tmo merger just because it will force companies to buy smaller ones adn f everything up.
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Unfortunately it doesn't look like a bcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy situation if you catch my drift. We have A or Z, no in between
i don't think the deal will go through myself BUT **** if verizon buys sprint at least ill have good service for a change.
http://goo.gl/M16Ct
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iphone5 only at sprint?
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/10/03/2114206/sprint-bets-big-on-the-iphone
I hate to say this I really do.
But they have the cash... The cash can easily be spent on making the network the fastest there is. I wish a company with the $$$ would do this.
This is the first thing that I have ever read that involves Apple that sounds like a good idea to me. If Apple does buy the network they WILL put the money into the network to make it much better. Most likely the fastest of ALL networks not just the major 4. I hate Apple, I mean I really hate Apple,but if this does happen we could have a major overhaul of our network and we would actually get great speeds as opposed to the decent speeds in some areas and terrible speeds in other areas. I say for the first time ever to Apple, GO FOR IT!
Antitrust.
KJ
Noncon said:
Antitrust.
KJ
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Yeah, there's just no way this would be allowed.
And to the person that thought this was a good idea... yeeaaaahhhhh not sure what you're smoking.
We think At&t and Verizon [and really the whole industry anymore] are bad with the lock downs and penny pinching?
Let Apple own a carrier.
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This is the first thing that I have ever read that involves Apple that sounds like a good idea to me. If Apple does buy the network they WILL put the money into the network to make it much better. Most likely the fastest of ALL networks not just the major 4. I hate Apple, I mean I really hate Apple,but if this does happen we could have a major overhaul of our network and we would actually get great speeds as opposed to the decent speeds in some areas and terrible speeds in other areas. I say for the first time ever to Apple, GO FOR IT!
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I agree but I also have some reservations on this, mainly pricing. Everything apple makes tends to be on the expensive side. I'm on Sprint not because it carries the phone I want or because it's got the best coverage, but because it's the cheapest carrier for high end smart phones that include everything you need. No extra charges for GPS access or unlimited texting or anything goofy like that. Point I guess is that if Apple does buy Sprint I hope the pricing stays the same. Otherwise I'll probably have to move back over to Verizon or T-Mobile.
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This is the first thing that I have ever read that involves Apple that sounds like a good idea to me. If Apple does buy the network they WILL put the money into the network to make it much better. Most likely the fastest of ALL networks not just the major 4. I hate Apple, I mean I really hate Apple,but if this does happen we could have a major overhaul of our network and we would actually get great speeds as opposed to the decent speeds in some areas and terrible speeds in other areas. I say for the first time ever to Apple, GO FOR IT!
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Yes...and a 50% hike in your bill. And data throttling. And great data plans like "2GB for 25 bucks a month," And all the crap that goes along with Apple.....
Horrible idea.
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Yes...and a 50% hike in your bill. And data throttling. And great data plans like "2GB for 25 bucks a month," And all the crap that goes along with Apple.....
Horrible idea.
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You're a moron. Apple is not the cause of the throttling.
Apple makes hardware, and they've chosen a business model to make hardware for certain carriers, either because it made sense, or because that particular carrier bought exclusive rights. Don't quote me, but I think they sell the iPhone in a lot of countries. I don't think it would make much sense for Sprint, but then again they've been doing a lot of little stuff as side-business/sub-business because there is a market for it.
^^ ^^ Apple makes software. Not hardware. They buy hardware from multitude of companies
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I don't really think that would be a good thing. If Apple buy's sprint then I think Apple will start trying to close the market off for google's Android.
Man Steve must be rolling over in his......Oh wait too soon
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I don't buy it.
As mentioned above, Apple is a software/niche hardware company. They sell an image as much as anything. They would not want to get slogged down with wires and towers and coast-to-coast utility servicing....it just isn't what they do (or would be good at).
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Antitrust.
KJ
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1st off I'll let everyone know that I'm not a complete moron. I admit I can't build my own ROM but I can't see why this would violate any antitrust laws. How would this be any different than when the iPhone was only on AT&T? If you wanted an iPhone then you basically were stuck with AT&T. Plus when you have as much cash as Apple has you can "buy" a waiver from the government. Unless I'm missing something I can't see any way Apple buying Sprint would/could harm other mobile carriers other than those carriers couldn't sell the iPhone.
Antitrust, anticompetition, and a step toward monopolizing the industry. FCC cockblocked the at&t/t-moble merge, making the mere notion of Apple owning it's own carrier ludicrous at best.
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Antitrust, anticompetition, and a step toward monopolizing the industry. FCC cockblocked the at&t/t-moble merge, making the mere notion of Apple owning it's own carrier ludicrous at best.
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This
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shochu808 said:
Antitrust, anticompetition, and a step toward monopolizing the industry. FCC cockblocked the at&t/t-moble merge, making the mere notion of Apple owning it's own carrier ludicrous at best.
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A carrier owning their own Network is completely fine under the law. If they wanna pay for it, it's theirs to have. As long as they aren't limiting peoples choice of networks, it's all fine. Clearly Apple would not be doing this. There are other carriers, and nothing Apple can ever do will make you unable to simply switch to one of them. Even if they made future iPhones Sprint exclusives, in the eyes of the law that is their god-given right and there's nothing shady or illegal about it. You *still* have a choice of networks, no one said you have a right to buy an iPhone.
And anyway, Apple will NEVER(mark my words) make an iPhone Sprint exclusive(except maybe for a few weeks at launch). This would be a slap in the face to all the people who support them(literally EVERYONE OF THEM at this point) by buying iPhones while on other networks. Not to mention Sprint is a very small Network and will always be compared to the big two, and nothing Apple can do is gonna change that. So why would they limit themselves in that way?
But despite everything you might read, Apple likely has NO interest in buying Sprint. Why the hell would they? Give me one logical reason? It just makes no sense what-so-ever. But those of you are are using Anti-Trust Law as a reason why it wouldn't be possible really need to look up Anti-Trust in a dictionary because Apple having a foothold in 2 entirely separate but logically linked fields isn't even remotely close to a monopoly. A monopoly of what? Them owning Sprint can't effect your choice of carrier OR handsets. Them owning Apple can't either.
@ landora, in your honest opinion, do you think this would pass through the FCC?
However, I totally agree with your business angle. It would shock me if Apple ever made an attempt to either merge or takeover one of the existing carriers. Cost would make it a huge risk, and too much capital and attention would be devoted toward raising customer satisfaction levels that meet their high standards.
I never said it was against the law, I listed reasons the FCC might consider if this ever got thrown their way. If this crazy notion ever made it through...and not that it would make business sense, what's stopping them from mailing free iPhones to their competitor's customers offering them better carrier service and pricing. Owning both entities could eventually pay off. Initially take a loss on the phone, a later profit from carrier fees. Existing carriers begin to fold not able to compete as Apple gains market share.
All this said without factoring in the broadband packages they could offer if customers purchasrd their macbooks or macpros.
This analogy is extreme, but how different would this be if say British Petroleum decided to by Toyota or Ford?
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To keep it simple
Hell freaking no.
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I saw this on fb this "mourning" and thought I'd share...
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...rs/ShsH+(xda-developers)&utm_content=FaceBook
Re: The stupidity of our government and the new rules regarding unlocking our dev
Dude the united States government can blow me. Point blank. **** all their "new and proposed laws" I'm going to do whatever the hell I want because last time I checked I had freedom. This isn't ****ing north Korea. As you can tell I hate our lying ass president Barack Obama and wished someone would take his ass out of office. And the rest of your crooked government
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It's disgusting our government continues to repeatedly enact laws to promote/preserve the bottom dollar of large corporations like this; this promotes monopolies, crushes diversity and goes against the very idea of free Enterprise. How can one alter, root, replace, enhance aspects of a devices firmware and it is perfectly legal, but when it allows the user to switch carriers it becomes illegal? The very idea that this is a copyright issue is ridiculous.
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It's disgusting our government continues to repeatedly enact laws to promote/preserve the bottom dollar of large corporations like this; this promotes monopolies, crushes diversity and goes against the very idea of free Enterprise. How can one alter, root, replace, enhance aspects of a devices firmware and it is perfectly legal, but when it allows the user to switch carriers it becomes illegal? The very idea that this is a copyright issue is ridiculous.
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Well the whole idea is kinda idiotic anyways... if you get a phone from the carrier you are under contract... the contract is what shields the carrier from loss. What is the purpose of the law other than them being greedy.
But what about the users like me who buy all the phones they use at MSRP? I pay full retail to take my devices with me. With sprint alone I dropped around 1300 on 2 original evos and an evo shift.
So would any of this concern me? Since I did not get a subsidized price on anything?
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But what about the users like me who buy all the phones they use at MSRP? I pay full retail to take my devices with me. With sprint alone I dropped around 1300 on 2 original evos and an evo shift.
So would any of this concern me? Since I did not get a subsidized price on anything?
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People like you are the only ones this law is really effecting... And its definitely not in a positive way.
Actually it affects all of us. Because believe it or not we all pay Full price for our devices. Because whether they say it or not. We are all paying for our devices. The Carriers have that all factored into the cost of your plan. You never actually get a discount. They make sure that there is at least a 300% mark up on every device.
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Actually it affects all of us. Because believe it or not we all pay Full price for our devices. Because whether they say it or not. We are all paying for our devices. The Carriers have that all factored into the cost of your plan. You never actually get a discount. They make sure that there is at least a 300% mark up on every device.
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Yes but if someone pays full price up front they should be able to take the phone where they want No matter what... Any gsm across the world can do that providing the networks are compatible.. it really hurts travelers too
Lol go to Canada or Mexico unlock it and come back... they surely didn't make it illegal to possess an unlocked device... loophole
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Actually it affects all of us. Because believe it or not we all pay Full price for our devices. Because whether they say it or not. We are all paying for our devices. The Carriers have that all factored into the cost of your plan. You never actually get a discount. They make sure that there is at least a 300% mark up on every device.
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Well 1299.97 plus tax should allow me to do whatever in the hell I want with my devices.
I wonder how much more popular Google GSM Unlocked Nexus devices are going to become .
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Well 1299.97 plus tax should allow me to do whatever in the hell I want with my devices.
I wonder how much more popular Google GSM Unlocked Nexus devices are going to become .
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Lol true
Its just at&t and those people complaining about it because in the end, google really doesnt care
I still feel its unnecessary to do this, theyre just trying to lock in customers as much as they can and prevent them from finding better deals where they might pay less monthly or have better coverage in their specific area for less
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Well 1299.97 plus tax should allow me to do whatever in the hell I want with my devices.
I wonder how much more popular Google GSM Unlocked Nexus devices are going to become .
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Sony and Nokia sell gsm unlocked phones too... most of the international gsm companies do. Again showing how dumb our government is.
bilgerryan said:
Sony and Nokia sell gsm unlocked phones too... most of the international gsm companies do. Again showing how dumb our government is.
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Biggest disappointment is that while the law allowed for devices to be unlocked, exemptions were made or devices ignored. You couldn't unlock an iPhone, or at least they sure didn't want you to. Maybe I have my facts confused though.
Eh this does bother me so much because all you have to do is get permission to use the phone on another carrier. I HIGHLY doubt they will tell you no. And if they do... Well this is XDA, we do what we want to do. Guides will still be posted on flashing to other carriers. They can't stop us
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Update:
If as many people as possible could sign this, it would be incredibly awesome.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
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Update:
If as many people as possible could sign this, it would be incredibly awesome.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
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I signed it today and forwarded the link.
Look at the petition results... http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-developers/ShsH+(xda-developers)&utm_content
The article on Android Police HERE might interest a few of you.
Email I received this morning:
It's Time to Legalize Cell Phone Unlocking
By R. David Edelman, Senior Advisor for Internet, Innovation, & Privacy
Thank you for sharing your views on cell phone unlocking with us through your petition on our We the People platform. Last week the White House brought together experts from across government who work on telecommunications, technology, and copyright policy, and we're pleased to offer our response.
The White House agrees with the 114,000+ of you who believe that consumers should be able to unlock their cell phones without risking criminal or other penalties. In fact, we believe the same principle should also apply to tablets, which are increasingly similar to smart phones. And if you have paid for your mobile device, and aren't bound by a service agreement or other obligation, you should be able to use it on another network. It's common sense, crucial for protecting consumer choice, and important for ensuring we continue to have the vibrant, competitive wireless market that delivers innovative products and solid service to meet consumers' needs.
This is particularly important for secondhand or other mobile devices that you might buy or receive as a gift, and want to activate on the wireless network that meets your needs -- even if it isn't the one on which the device was first activated. All consumers deserve that flexibility.
The White House's position detailed in this response builds on some critical thinking done by the President's chief advisory Agency on these matters: the Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA). For more context and information on the technical aspects of the issue, you can review the NTIA's letter to the Library of Congress' Register of Copyrights (.pdf), voicing strong support for maintaining the previous exception to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) for cell phone carrier unlocking.
Contrary to the NTIA's recommendation, the Librarian of Congress ruled that phones purchased after January of this year would no longer be exempted from the DMCA. The law gives the Librarian the authority to establish or eliminate exceptions -- and we respect that process. But it is also worth noting the statement the Library of Congress released today on the broader public policy concerns of the issue. Clearly the White House and Library of Congress agree that the DMCA exception process is a rigid and imperfect fit for this telecommunications issue, and we want to ensure this particular challenge for mobile competition is solved.
So where do we go from here?
The Obama Administration would support a range of approaches to addressing this issue, including narrow legislative fixes in the telecommunications space that make it clear: neither criminal law nor technological locks should prevent consumers from switching carriers when they are no longer bound by a service agreement or other obligation.
We also believe the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), with its responsibility for promoting mobile competition and innovation, has an important role to play here. FCC Chairman Genachowski today voiced his concern about mobile phone unlocking (.pdf), and to complement his efforts, NTIA will be formally engaging with the FCC as it addresses this urgent issue.
Finally, we would encourage mobile providers to consider what steps they as businesses can take to ensure that their customers can fully reap the benefits and features they expect when purchasing their devices.
We look forward to continuing to work with Congress, the wireless and mobile phone industries, and most importantly you -- the everyday consumers who stand to benefit from this greater flexibility -- to ensure our laws keep pace with changing technology, protect the economic competitiveness that has led to such innovation in this space, and offer consumers the flexibility and freedoms they deserve.
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Well that certainly sounds good. I remain sceptical though. It is our government talking here...
You guys should check the article in the link below. Might be a step in the right direction.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...locking-phones-for-interoperability-purposes/