Hi guys.
Have you guys heard if anybody is working on getting Android x86 to support the hardware in the shift?
maybe that : http://www.androidx86.org/screenshots.html
Anybody try this? It support the samsung q1 ultra, and it is similar to our shift...
I have it running on my shift as we speak, (well it was till the screen turned off, now it won't turn back on again though didn't really expect the power management to work tbh)
Wifi : Not working
bluetooth : Not working
3g : Not working
Screen : Res 640 x 480 x 16 works nicely
Touchpad : works
Volume keys : works
Haven't tried anything else as it is not very stable,
I used this build http://android-x86.googlecode.com/files/froyo-vm-20100812.iso which works if you write to a disk using unetbootin and boot using the Vesa mode then choose 640 x 480 x 16 mode.
I would have thought that it should be perfectly possible to get the touchscreen working as we can now get ubuntu with touchscreen working 100% and I'm sure the htcpen drivers could be adapted for android. Don't know about the wifi or 3g though as there still are no working drivers for ubuntu.
I would love to have android on the shift, tbh probably would prefer on the winmo side and ubuntu on the x86 side, but even on the x86 side it will make an amazing tablet.
And the USB port? Does it work?
did any one tested Froyo?!?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=872186
i wanted to know that on v1.6 does sound and graphic work? i mean that in live cd or installing Android,....... drivers doesn't support android
can any one make call on Androd os? does it support simcard?
maybe mine is dead (i'm sure because the power is burned)
and what about UBUNTU 10? i can not test that.if ant body knows plz answer
there are News?
I am currently typing this on my shift running Ubuntu 10.10. Everything works fine except the wifi/3g but I got a mini dongle which works perfectly.
i am using a X86 tablet with android X86 1.6
no channel for x86 version
I am using ICS 2-28-12 build and almost everything works on sandy bridge laptop. I still have some graphics glitches. Wish they had more recent builds
N3Ti said:
I am using ICS 2-28-12 build and almost everything works on sandy bridge laptop. I still have some graphics glitches. Wish they had more recent builds
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please man colud you get me the iso link for that bulid please to use it in bootale usb
and is 3g work in shift with that ulid
thanks
HTC Desire V Upgrade for 4.3 Jellybean with Sense 5.0
Hi Developers,
Anybody please update 4.3 Jelly bean with sense for HTC Desire V.. I searched lot of forum. But can't find. Please... Immediate Requirement.
android x86 persistent live
Hello everyone. I found a way to make persistent live USB on x86 Android without installing anything. I have done so
I opened universal usb installer, and I created a live usb with Android 4.4
then I took the toporesize-app for windows and I have created a data.img in ext3 filesystem and copied to the usb live
In conclusion, I set the initial setup I installed the app restarts, and various apps and settings are preserved.
So Canonical got something new, Ubuntu for Android. What is does is run Ubuntu native on your Android device by using the same Linux kernel as Android does.
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
On this page they say ''Of course, your phone needs the docking capability and hardware support for HDMI and USB''
Would that mean it would not be possible on our DHD? I know there is another project running Ubuntu on our phone, but this project of Canonical is meant that you don't need an seperated computer anymore.
Instead your phone is both used as smartphone and as desktop. I have no idea how far it will go in capabilities, but our DHD is also quite powerful, it just doesnt have an dual core.
http://youtu.be/kipBNiBtjmQ
Xda tv about ubuntu for Android.
It would be cool btw if we just needed buy an dock and put it in and then use it as our desktop, because when my notebook broke I needed buy an new one.
I think in future we won't even need a separated computer anymore, because we can dock our phone then to be a computer if it got that feature.
this would be really nice. especially if we could acess the desktop from the phone itself also, and run all the linux apps nativly.
Using a dock for the mobile phone is only one option to get the full desktop experience. But other scenarios are also possible.Think of the Asus Transformer that can be docked with a keyboard, this could be a full Notebook replacement. The same is for all the other tablets out there where you can attach a bluetooth mouse and keyboard.
Hello everyone!!
This argument has been discussed a couple times in this forum, but i wanted to address it once more since i believe it's one of the most interesting.
So, i am looking to install natively Windows 10 (desktop version, not mobile) and Android in dualboot on the ZF2.
In theory, as specified many times by other users, is possible. Since the soc of the ZF2 is Intel x86/64.
Let's proceed with order.
1) The main issue, is to find out how to run the windows installer, completely outside the Android environment. Now i know Asus released an official Bootloader for the ZF2, but we have to figure out if it's loaded outside of the Android environment or not. If it is, that would be a great kickstart.
2) The drivers then would be another issue, even though, the Z3580 is an Atom and should share a lot of with its bigger brothers for tablets that already run Windows 10.
3) FIgure out how to dualboot it. Windows 10 Desktop version is not currently equipped with dialing functions and even though there are some third party software, it would not be very comfortable to use as main OS on such a small screen. So Android is a must here.
4) Last but not least, figure out a way (not wirelessly, just because it does not work very well) to cast the screen of the Windows 10 Asus ZEnfone2, to a larger monitor.
I own a Lumia 950 and as many of you know, it comes with the Continuum feature. It is a pretty interesting function even though in the current state is very limited. (can run only UWPs and nothing more, with limited functionalities).
For those of you guys wondering if it's even possible to solve the problem n.1 i can tell you it definitely is. A couple years ago, Elephone was working on a Dual Boot Phone, called vowney Pro with the exact same soc of the ZF2, capable of running both Windows 10 (desktop, even though some blogs mistakenly reported windows 10 mobile. It was the desktop version, i spoke with the company) and Android.
That project never came to life, the company would not share with me the reason why.
Just think about how cool would be to have a 2 in 1 device capable of running full Windows 10 natively. It would really be the first of its kind and turn out to be super useful in a lot of situations.
Any of you ever tried ?
Thanks in advance to all of you guys!!
No one ?
steinwayer said:
Hello everyone!!
This argument has been discussed a couple times in this forum, but i wanted to address it once more since i believe it's one of the most interesting.
So, i am looking to install natively Windows 10 (desktop version, not mobile) and Android in dualboot on the ZF2.
In theory, as specified many times by other users, is possible. Since the soc of the ZF2 is Intel x86/64.
Let's proceed with order.
1) The main issue, is to find out how to run the windows installer, completely outside the Android environment. Now i know Asus released an official Bootloader for the ZF2, but we have to figure out if it's loaded outside of the Android environment or not. If it is, that would be a great kickstart.
2) The drivers then would be another issue, even though, the Z3580 is an Atom and should share a lot of with its bigger brothers for tablets that already run Windows 10.
3) FIgure out how to dualboot it. Windows 10 Desktop version is not currently equipped with dialing functions and even though there are some third party software, it would not be very comfortable to use as main OS on such a small screen. So Android is a must here.
4) Last but not least, figure out a way (not wirelessly, just because it does not work very well) to cast the screen of the Windows 10 Asus ZEnfone2, to a larger monitor.
I own a Lumia 950 and as many of you know, it comes with the Continuum feature. It is a pretty interesting function even though in the current state is very limited. (can run only UWPs and nothing more, with limited functionalities).
For those of you guys wondering if it's even possible to solve the problem n.1 i can tell you it definitely is. A couple years ago, Elephone was working on a Dual Boot Phone, called vowney Pro with the exact same soc of the ZF2, capable of running both Windows 10 (desktop, even though some blogs mistakenly reported windows 10 mobile. It was the desktop version, i spoke with the company) and Android.
That project never came to life, the company would not share with me the reason why.
Just think about how cool would be to have a 2 in 1 device capable of running full Windows 10 natively. It would really be the first of its kind and turn out to be super useful in a lot of situations.
Any of you ever tried ?
Thanks in advance to all of you guys!!
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please follow this topic
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
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please follow this topic
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
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Hello Sukhwant717
Yes i know of the post and read through all of it, even though there are a couple of persons that asked for the native installation, that post is focused mainly on the installation through KVM, or any other Virtual Machine solution.
Just wanted to have a post focused on the native installation here
@steinwayer
This has been done and deemed not worth the time and effort.
1. No drivers for Mali.
3. Win OS has no phone support until late 2017.
If you have the technical skills please do try yourself, but don't expect others to do the work.
I recommend waiting until fall 2017 when x86 emulation on Snapdragon launches. A plethora of new handsets with desktop Win OS and phone support will be launched. And this project will be redundant.
@sweetsour
I didn't know that people tried here. I tried searching in the whole forum but sadly i didn't find anything.
Yes i know that Windows on Arm will launch sometime this year, but i don't think this will be redundant. Windows on Arm will let you have a windows handset capable of running x86 apps. No Android.
This on the other hand would let you enjoy both worlds, and on top of that, is the ability to dual boot two different operating systems on a smartphone that intrigues me (not linux based ofc)
I don't expect the others to do it for me, i am stuck sadly on the first issue with having a bootloader capable of booting an OTG image of Windows.
But if anyone found a way to do that and got stuck on the next step, i would be more than happy to try myself
Do you happen to have any threads to address me to?
Thanks in advance
@steinwayer Windows on ARM will never ever be the same as on X86. Apps are just not compatible. It is a shame that the surface phone ditched the Intel Atom CPU.
Anyway ontopic.
I will skip 1 till the last since this is the main issue and start off with 2
2 The drivers are not an issue YET. The intel HD series GPU's have used the specific model of powerVR GPU that is in use so it is a problem that can be fixed. Most of the rest of the drivers are not directly a problem as the first problem is to get windows running natively.
3 Dualboot. In first place this is not neccisary, however this is possible but will require the work from 1 listed bellow first. Let me say from the start that you can forget hotswitching to android... That will be a full reboot and I dont know about your zenfone 2 but mine takes a while to boot...
4 As long as the wifi is running lots of options there...
Now the culprit 1
You can not run the windows installer in the current bootloader, however happy news for you this specific CPU supports UEFI. For this purpose I was reverse engineering the bootloader on my pc and altering the UEFI of that of a tabled with a similair CPU of the same series. However my screen got broken, so I lost motivation, had it repaired after which half my phone died again (there is another topic floating around where I tried to flash the ori bootloaders as I thought that may had something to do with the issues of my phone dieing) so I bought a lumia 950 aswell, and now I just have it back again.
This project is stalled. One of the reasons is stated here, the other one is that I don't have the knowledge to continue right now. Reading in and learning takes a lot of time and I don't have time at the moment and as said before I am for the moment not very happy with the amount of times the zenfone just without damage just died on me...
I am happy to share all I have found on the internet to someone who knows how to do it, but if you need to learn in as I do this will take years...
Thinking about you MIGHT have a shot just flashing one of the tablets UEFI bioses, but this very well may be a one shot chance after which a perma brick can occur...
@Don_prince
I was talking about the recent Windows on ARM, not Windows 10 Mobile. For instance, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U
Even though there is no single definitive proof that they ditched Intel for the Surface Phone project, the video I shared seems to be a pretty clear statement eheh, and yes, i totally agree with you, it will be a shame.
Thank you so much for the infos you gave me! That's super helpful! I suspected the stock bootloader would have not been capable of doing that, so i was looking (like i guess you did long before me) for answers about the chances of flashing UEFI on it.
Dualboot, at least for the beginning would be necessary, if used as the primary phone, Android would be needed for all phone-related tasks.
I will try to see if i manage to flash UEFI on the ZF2. After that it should be a a lot simpler! And it would open a WHOLE NEW WORLD of possibilities with that phone
About the hotswitching, i know, it will be impossible. But the way i see it, the wait time for a full reboot would be worth it, especially in case after solving all the problems, we could manage also to solve the point 4
Will keep you posted!!
I don't seee why an x86 emulator for ARM Windows 10 seems so threatening.
Nobody ever said the x86 emulator is coming to phones. It's just Windows RT 10 with 3rd party Win32 app support. It's for larger devices like tablets and laptops.
From what I've seen, I think the Zenfone 2 (and 5) will be relevant for many years to come. Nobody is offering something that runs full Windows 10 on the phone's screen like the Zenfones with KVM. There is also no performance hit like an emulator.
If anything, MS MIGHT integrate it into W10M's Continuim but I doubt they will let you run Photoshop on the phone's screen.
There have been multiple devices in the past, and there are devices for sale now and there are devices that are in developent. Criteria below 6", pocketable and full X86.
XPphone, Eking m5 (also MI15), DOCOMO Fujitsu LOOX F-07c,
Non phone capable (or only via usb) Ockel Sirius, GPD WIN
In development: Graalphone, Palmputer
So yes there are devices...
No an emulator wont do the trick for me, No a KVM does not do the trick for me. I need DIRECT acess to the GPU for proprietary programs which I want to use the phone for.
Don_prince said:
There have been multiple devices in the past, and there are devices for sale now and there are devices that are in developent. Criteria below 6", pocketable and full X86.
XPphone, Eking m5 (also MI15), DOCOMO Fujitsu LOOX F-07c,
Non phone capable (or only via usb) Ockel Sirius, GPD WIN
In development: Graalphone, Palmputer
So yes there are devices...
No an emulator wont do the trick for me, No a KVM does not do the trick for me. I need DIRECT acess to the GPU for proprietary programs which I want to use the phone for.
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Well i always thinking the EASIEST way to enable 3D acceleration with acceptable performance.The only software that could enable 3D acceleration and runs windows software on android is Crossover from codeweavers.It's wine commercial version which compatibility layer that enables you to run windows software on linux.Maybe you're very familiar it if you playing around with linux for some time.The only problem is the compatibility.its still in alpha stage and still doesn't run much software perfectly.Considering it's opensource,it has the source code available on their site.If we have developers that expert at modifying .apk and port the qemu kvm,we'll be able to solve that.We have qemu on android name limbo pc emulator and it always up to date recently which now based on qemu 2.9.0.The only matter is how we modified the apk to sync with limbo pc emulator so that it has 3D virtual gpu available.How the virtual gpu works,is translate OPENGLES into directX,though its limited to 9.0.Maybe little tweak can make it work on limbo.Hope the source code containts that Vgpu code.I am noob for porting apks,etc.But i know some basic about it.Hope you guys can make it works.Once we make it work,we'll be able to launch CStrike 1.6 on our amazing ZF2
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Crossover has it's virtual GPU into it,which makes 3D acceleration working.it's use OpenGLES and translate it to directX.if we can implemented it on limbo pc emulator,we'll be able to enable hardware acceleration into windows guest
Man I'm with you
Its unbelievable enough, that you can't install Linux on ARM.
Cant install on a x86 cpu device, it seems impossible !!!
2019... nothing yet ?
xdaxuser said:
Man I'm with you
Its unbelievable enough, that you can't install Linux on ARM.
Cant install on a x86 cpu device, it seems impossible !!!
2019... nothing yet ?
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Researching, +1
Well, its pretty much a one go try, no guaranties it works, and well who wants to donate his Zenfone 2 to try, when the odds of sucsess are less than 10%, chance of bricking it without recovery 90%. Get the bios from the Chuwi tablet and give it a try to flash it with the intel flash tool.
I was modifying that bios to increase the chances, but ran out of my expertise, lack time, and am using my zenfone as daily driver
I have a Zenfone 2 with the eMMC damaged, and thought about booting Android from the SD card (basically, using it like the eMMC which is damaged). I think replacing the BIOS could help me with booting from the SD, is this correct?
i've installed Windows 10 and Android 9 x86 with Limbo PC Emulator
O only have a Question :
The Intel atom z3530 CPU in my Z00AD is an ARM CPU?
Tnankx in avance for ur help!
Nope, it's x86_64
tronics182 said:
O only have a Question :
The Intel atom z3530 CPU in my Z00AD is an ARM CPU?
Tnankx in avance for ur help!
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No, it's an x86_64 (64-bit) SoC. Any Intel Atom processor is x86 or x86_64
No development anymore?
Hey All,
5+ years experience 3D printing.
Some rooting / ROM android experience.
Okay so first of all I am going to explain the situation then ask the question.
Raspberry Pi and other SBCs are hard to come by or very expensive as of currently posting.
I have serveral RPi that I use, one being an 8gb RPi4 that runs Fluidd/Klipper for three of my printers.
Due to this RPi shortage I have looked into alternatives that are low powered ARM systems. I have considered cheap android TVs that I could run armbian on.
I have a friend that wants to run klipper on his printer but he doesn't have a RPi.
He has a spare android phone he is willing to use it as the host controller.
To investigate, I installed Octo4a on a spare phone (ZTE ZMax Pro MetroPCS). I installed klipper with a script through bash and installed the octoklipper plugin.
-Could not connect it to a printer / unsure if the klipper version on the MCU was the same as the one on the android.
-Getting tons of printer.cfg errors.
According to Octo4a you cannot flash the klipper firmware to the MCU via the android phone, thus another host must flash that firmware to the board.
I understand for long term use one would need a y-splitter OTG cable.
Even more long term to have a 3.7V source to replace the battery...
After doing some more research I found a korean guy on youtube running klipper on android via a rooted phone and a custom ROM and kernel.
After even more thought I was considering running a docker container on the android. Fluidd has an official docker container for fluidd/moonraker/klipper.
TL;DR
I am trying to run klipper on android so I can help my friend run klipper on android for his 3d printer.
Can anyone with experience help me?
Should I root the phone and try using termux and run alpine linux?
Should I learn docker and try to go that route?
Should I suggest a low cost android tv box and run armbian on it?
Is this a little too much to ask / complicated request ?
Can anyone point me in the right direction ?
I really feel like this is doable but I can't quite figure it out due to lack of experience with android development and docker.
Thank you to anyone who helps.
Mr. Pewpy But-Whole said:
Hey All,
5+ years experience 3D printing.
Some rooting / ROM android experience.
Okay so first of all I am going to explain the situation then ask the question.
Raspberry Pi and other SBCs are hard to come by or very expensive as of currently posting.
I have serveral RPi that I use, one being an 8gb RPi4 that runs Fluidd/Klipper for three of my printers.
Due to this RPi shortage I have looked into alternatives that are low powered ARM systems. I have considered cheap android TVs that I could run armbian on.
I have a friend that wants to run klipper on his printer but he doesn't have a RPi.
He has a spare android phone he is willing to use it as the host controller.
To investigate, I installed Octo4a on a spare phone (ZTE ZMax Pro MetroPCS). I installed klipper with a script through bash and installed the octoklipper plugin.
-Could not connect it to a printer / unsure if the klipper version on the MCU was the same as the one on the android.
-Getting tons of printer.cfg errors.
According to Octo4a you cannot flash the klipper firmware to the MCU via the android phone, thus another host must flash that firmware to the board.
I understand for long term use one would need a y-splitter OTG cable.
Even more long term to have a 3.7V source to replace the battery...
After doing some more research I found a korean guy on youtube running klipper on android via a rooted phone and a custom ROM and kernel.
After even more thought I was considering running a docker container on the android. Fluidd has an official docker container for fluidd/moonraker/klipper.
TL;DR
I am trying to run klipper on android so I can help my friend run klipper on android for his 3d printer.
Can anyone with experience help me?
Should I root the phone and try using termux and run alpine linux?
Should I learn docker and try to go that route?
Should I suggest a low cost android tv box and run armbian on it?
Is this a little too much to ask / complicated request ?
Can anyone point me in the right direction ?
I really feel like this is doable but I can't quite figure it out due to lack of experience with android development and docker.
Thank you to anyone who helps.
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From my experience using octo4a on Android: you need good hardware, not any old phone, otherwise it's slow. And also without root running scripts can be cumbersome of if you don't have access to the system like on RPi...
take her home Mimi
thank you all man I'm going to leave okay I got I got everything