Hey guys im about to buy the Atrix. but i wanted to get a feel of what you motorola users think of the way the company treats you as customers. Ive had motorola before and i love the devices but ive never experienced them as a smartphone. so how does the system run? any annoying bugs? do they update pretty good?
The phones are great, but they keep their bootloaders locked down so they're not as easy to modify as say, an HTC phone. I have both an HTC Incredible and a Droid X and I feel that the Incredible is all around faster and less buggy. Just know that as long as the bootloaders remained locked, some bugs and lag just can't be fixed. All the manufacturers are lagging on updating to 2.3, so I can't single Motorola out for that.
Well samsung is lagging on 2.2 and at&T's htc won't have a ffc which I need so atrix it is
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Good...unlocked bootloaders seem like a thing of the past. You'll see more being locked down.
Then go with the atrix. I'm sure the bootloaders will be cracked eventually and then we can have our fun
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The Hd2 was my first smartphone and over the first year the devs have been wonderful. Everything from having awesome 6.5 roms to android to WP7. I have been using a bunch of android roms lately.
Im asking because my hd2 broke and my warranty couldnt fix it so they gave me back my money that I paid($399). Im going to wait for the HTC Sensation to come out which is rumored to be June 8th.
Do you think the development is going to be anything near what the HD2 has been. Obviously I know its not going to be able to run diff OS, but I'm talking custom roms and bootloaders and stuff like that.
Uhhh Iunno. It's hard to say really. If you mean the amount of devs working on it, then possibly, since HTC devices are popular with devs. But if you mean the same amount of development on it compared to the HD2, then no. The HD2 was like a miracle, and I don't think we'll be seeing any device similar to the HD2 so soon.
Personally isn't the sensation going to be a turn off for some devs due to it's more than likely locked bootloader?
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Uhhh Iunno. It's hard to say really. If you mean the amount of devs working on it, then possibly, since HTC devices are popular with devs. But if you mean the same amount of development on it compared to the HD2, then no. The HD2 was like a miracle, and I don't think we'll be seeing any device similar to the HD2 so soon.
Personally isn't the sensation going to be a turn off for some devs due to it's more than likely locked bootloader?
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I totally agree with you. The HD2 is a a device in it's on realm in my opinion. The devs will be hard at work on the senation though as it is a hardware beast in it's own right. But yes the bootloader is locked.
I know everyone is into cool appsan
Sorry zMooth did it lol
so does a locked bootloader mean no custom roms?
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so does a locked bootloader mean no custom roms?
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Yep that is pretty much what it means. But I do not expect it to stay locked long. HSPL is what unlocked the bootloader for the HD2, given it probably was not as tightly locked down. I am sure there is devs already hard at work on it right now.
Never mind the Wildfire 2.2, i get the felling every HTC device from now on will be locked up tight.
No more out house development or modding, am i wrong?
No, its pretty much right. Incredible S is locked, Desire S is locked, Sensation will be locked, and, the only thing left to see is whether the Gingerbread OTA for the original Desire and Desire HD will lock them out as well or not. (It probably will go the Wildfire Froyo OTA way I think)
Perhaps they change mind and policy as the other manufactures of android phones are doing at the moment. But IF they do (and that is a realy big if - one that offers quality can permit more then others, despite al the critics, cfr. iphone), it will for sure not be something for the near future.
Well its worth trying - see below
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https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150305151453084&comments
Check that out. HTC is going to re-consider (unlocking) bootloaders! Great job on sending feedback to HTC !
If you dont have facebook account ill just paste what it says on official HTC page:
Update on Bootloaders
Author: HTC
Date: 25. May 2011 at 2:50
"Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback."
the power of comunity
I hope they are serious about it and this not just a statement to please all. I would like my next phone to be an HTC since I am still not attracted by Samsung....
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http://wakeuphtc.blogspot.com/ check that out, I think its better to send personal letters to HTC than just to get some names in xda thread...
Yes they might be serious about that. This thing might be seriously effecting their sales of sensation, evo 3d, desire s, wildfire s, and other newer devices.
And there is another chance that they might be unlocking the newer devices alone keeping the older devices locked. Even if they have the opinion of unlocking every device, i think they will unlock the newer devices first to make the sales.
But i think these statements are not confirmative untill the devices are unlocked.
They are thinking about - but what are they doing?
should this ever happen to wildfire?
how long will this take?
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They are thinking about - but what are they doing?
should this ever happen to wildfire?
how long will this take?
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Read the statement, all info is there. If its not there, we dont know it
I read this on Facebook and this is good news indeed. I hope them "considering" means that steps will actually be taken.
Frankly, why would they do THAT?
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
Unprotected bootloader means that bricked phones returns will increase. HTC will have to spend to replace these.
It makes no commercial sense to do so, as the people needing unlocked bootloaders represent, let's face it, a minority.
It would be nice, but pigs might fly before we see an official unlocked HBOOT.
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Frankly, why would they do THAT?
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
Unprotected bootloader means that bricked phones returns will increase. HTC will have to spend to replace these.
It makes no commercial sense to do so, as the people needing unlocked bootloaders represent, let's face it, a minority.
It would be nice, but pigs might fly before we see an official unlocked HBOOT.
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Unlocked bootloaders means that developers will work with HTC phones. Customers, who are developers, are better than those, who will use the phone just for calling etc.
I disagree with you.
I am sure that any developer who really wants to unlock their bootloader will have done so by now.
Unlocking the HBOOTs for the general public means that idiots (like me) are more likely to flash the wrong ROM (which I did) not because they are THAT stupid but because the choice of ROMs is wide enough to make a mistake, and the advice that is found on the internet forums is often confusing or misleading.
Frankly, I think that there is no need to unlock HBOOT / S-OFF as long as there is enough room for people to experiment in a non-destructive way with a functional recovery and the ability to flash custom firmwares. And to go back to stock.
But then it opens the world of the latest version of Android working on phones that were not meant for it; people would stick to their phone longer, which cannot be good for business.
For me, this statement by HTC is merely a way to say to their customers "Don't leave us for another brand with unlocked bootloaders", even though they clearly have no intention of unlocking the HBOOT.
Time will tell
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I am sure that any developer who really wants to unlock their bootloader will have done so by now.
Frankly, I think that there is no need to unlock HBOOT / S-OFF as long as there is enough room for people to experiment in a non-destructive way with a functional recovery and the ability to flash custom firmwares. And to go back to stock.
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
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---It is not like all the developers are capable of unlocking the bootloader. Most of the developers will be tinkering with the apps and other os related software like themes, roms, kernels etc., . No one knows how many developers are working on wildfire root. There is a possibility that a developer who works on apps might have little/nil knowledge on how to unlock bootloader (and other security related things). And most of these developers might be using the developers phones like nexus s which are unlocked by default. And to my knowledge, all the wildfire developers must be aware (even in november 2010) that official froyo update to wildfire makes it hard to root. So, mostly as i expect developers will not be updating the phone and taking the risk. SORRY, i didn't mean to be disrespectful with developers. I will also not update to official froyo and take the risk if i were a developer before (but im not).
---Their motive in locking the hboot is to destroy the freedom of rooting and flashing custom recoveries. I dont think they will give an option like to flash the custom recoveries in a non destructive way. And that going back to the stock (from the phone itself) might require some additional protected phone space, which matters because wildfire has low phone memory. I never expect them to s-off my phone. I will be satisfied if they unlock the bootloader and give me an option to flash custom recovery. [And if i think that s-off as a serious issue, then i might go with the future alpharev or the paid xtc clip or some other future solutions if any.]
---And people will not buy a new phone from htc if they get unlocked by htc now. And will people buy a new locked phone from htc if theirs present phone is kept locked. In any way it affects htc. But it makes a difference if htc unlocks the newer phones and keeps the old phones locked.
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Frankly, why would they do THAT?
People who have already bought a locked phone are not going to buy a new one when theirs get unlocked now, are they? No more money for HTC.
Unprotected bootloader means that bricked phones returns will increase. HTC will have to spend to replace these.
It makes no commercial sense to do so, as the people needing unlocked bootloaders represent, let's face it, a minority.
It would be nice, but pigs might fly before we see an official unlocked HBOOT.
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Actually it makes commercial sense to so. If HTC wants us to buy HTC phones ever again, they should unlock it.
HTC is unlocking their bootloaders on all future phones! The community talked, HTC listened! They probably had initially decided to lock their devices as a marketing move, but unlocking the devices is probably going to boost their sales even more... Take that Motorola.
Quote from Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we’ve listened. Today, I’m confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience.
-Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
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I am going to stick with HTC for the rest of my life.
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That is all.
Would be nice is a simple patch could unlock the phones already purchased though, make things much easier for many people.
^^ +1 I would love to get S-Off again after updating to the Stock 2.2 Rom