Hi XDA,
I just want to start of by saying that the HD2 is probably the best thing I ever bought. Still, after more than 2 years, it remains a highly functioning phone. I sometimes run Android (TBD Sensation XL) on it, and sometimes Windows Phone 7.5. (The latest version by Pdaimatejam is amazing, and 100% working, including multitouch and camera) Both amazing roms which run extremely well on our aging phone.
There is on thing, however, which bothers me. This might seem to many as a minor flaw, but to me, keeping a perfect design philosophy in mind, really is a dealbreaker sometimes. This is the fact that the illustrations on the buttons don't represent their true functions in both OS's. The other day I brought my damaged back cover back to life by giving it a brushed metal finish (http://blog.whitesites.com/Chrome-HTC-HD2-Battery-Cover-Tutorial__634103488469591250_blog.htm) Now this got me thinking, what if we could somehow modify the HD2 in order to make it feel like a new phone, which natively runs Android and/or Windows Phone. Together with the chrome back cover it would look awesome!
Now, there's already a tutorial for chroming the back cover. However, to modify the illustrations on the buttons would be more difficult. First and foremost, Android and Windows Phone bother require different buttons. Windows phone requires a power button, a camera button, a back button, a home/start button and a search button. While Android (looking at Sensation XL/Runnymede) requires a power button, a menu button, a search button, a home button and a back button. Both configurations, in my opinion, are optimized for their respective OS's. And for those who might not know, the HD2 has a call button, a home button, a windows start button, a back button and a power/call end button. I haven't really figured out how to actually modify the buttons themselves. Possibly, some sort of extra though stickers would do. These would maybe also allow to be removed, so the phone can be sold again. But, XDA, all difficulties aside, behold, the HD2.5:
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Looks awesome, doesn't it?
The button configuration, in my opinion, makes sense for both OS's (WP and Android). Let's talk about them from right to left. The on the far right is obviously the power button. It's function is straightforward. The conscientious reader might notice that the original HD2 also has a call end icon on it. Well, it doesn't fulfill this function in both OS's so I removed it. The button next to the power button is the search button. Also, the function of it is self-explanatory. The original HD2 lacks a search button, but in my opinion WP and Android work well with one. In the middle there's the home button. In Android it would redirect the user to the home screen (duh), and in Windows Phone it would bring the user to the start menu. A reasonably representative icon for both right? To the left of the home button is the back button. Again, a necessity for both OS's and the function of which is pretty self-explanatory as well. In Windows Phone it serves a more powerful function in my opinion though And finally, to the far left, there's a peculiar icon. Let's zoom in to have a closer look:
I actually came up with this icon while brain-storming for an icon which means both 'camera' and 'menu/options'. Well, tadaa. While using Windows Phone it would represent a shutter, which would more accurately describe its function than 'camera' anyway. In Android it would have the menu/options function, which makes sense, as it also looks like a gear. Like it? And while only a mock-up, I think it's the best solution for the problem of button configuration. Oh, and the order of the buttons (which could have been any, obviously) is thought through. It's based on the Windows Phone order, with the less important ones (power and shutter/options) on the sides.
Here's a mock-up of it running Windows Phone:
And here's one of it running Android with sense 3.5 (Sensation XL):
They both look amazing right?
I hope you guys like this concept. AND, if anybody can figure out a way to get the icons on the buttons (as said before, maybe some sort of sticker) please let me know! And by the way, the actual function of the buttons in the OS is easily changeable. In Android it can easily be cooked in, and there are numerous apps in the marketplace for it. In WP, the extra settings app by Cotulla does the job.
We modified the HD2 so thoroughly that we might as well modify its name as well! HD2.5!
Thanks devs btw!
Looks really nice! for the buttons; Maybe we could rub the icons off with white spirits (dont know whether it would work) then use some transfers to put teh new icons on? or some stickers would do the job but I reckon transfers would be a more professional finish
james1123 said:
Looks really nice! for the buttons; Maybe we could rub the icons off with white spirits (dont know whether it would work) then use some transfers to put teh new icons on? or some stickers would do the job but I reckon transfers would be a more professional finish
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I don't think we can rub it off; I assume the shapes are deeply engraved into the button strip. Since they conduct light? or is it just a finish ? And a sticker would block the light.
I did a random grind on mine. The picture doesnt show it too well but it looks awesome and with the Pdaimatejam (the best thing thats ever happened to the HD2) it's a whole new phone.
The HD2 has light pipes for the buttons.. so you could paint black over them then silkscreen the white icons, but you'd loose the ability to have light up buttons.
Hmm... I have a silkscreen department here at work, I might give that a try.
Surely the place for any stickers is in the gap between the buttons and the screen where it says HTC
Nice Idea though.
@theDante, last time I did silkscreen printing was at school, ink everywhere good luck.
whats the construction on the buttons, might it be easier to get replacements?
Hi guys, thanks for all the attention! I have also submitted this to the portal, to help it get more attention. Please do so as well! Wouldn't it be awesome if we could make this happen? I'm more than willing to modify mine btw, never going resell it anyway!
I don't like the back cover at all, but the buttons are really, really nice.
I hope you guys find a way to do it!
If you need practice http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/500224657/New_Keypad_button_repair_part_for.html
Or get a bulk order with new design and sell them on (to brave people willing to remove screen)
Robbie P said:
If you need practice http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/500224657/New_Keypad_button_repair_part_for.html
Or get a bulk order with new design and sell them on (to brave people willing to remove screen)
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Wow that seems awesome, any experience with removing the screen btw?
demaxmeister said:
Wow that seems awesome, any experience with removing the screen btw?
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haven't needed to yet. There are plenty of tutorials around on xda, not sure how easy it would be to just replace buttons.
just sent a message to the supplier on Alibaba asking whether he could do a custom design on the keypads, I will post back when he answers me.
Maybe we could all chip in for a bulk order, dont know how much he will want but im willing to chip in for it.
Awesome, let me know!
FYI XBmod will release easy hardkey remapping in his next ROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22215801&postcount=1328. Also in android there are many choices of softkey mods see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1413582.
I am not entirely sure I would want the camera button on the left. With Yuki's NODO rom I had many blank photos which were shot from in my pocket, although I think you can disable the camera-on function. It is the LHS and RHS buttons which are more likely to be accidentally pressed. A camera button is needed though for panorama shots.
I hate to throw any spanners but thought the above worth mentioning.
Robbie P said:
FYI XBmod will release easy hardkey remapping in his next ROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22215801&postcount=1328. Also in android there are many choices of softkey mods see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1413582.
I am not entirely sure I would want the camera button on the left. With Yuki's NODO rom I had many blank photos which were shot from in my pocket, although I think you can disable the camera-on function. It is the LHS and RHS buttons which are more likely to be accidentally pressed. A camera button is needed though for panorama shots.
I hate to throw any spanners but thought the above worth mentioning.
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Yeah it's not ideal, it has happened to me once before as well. However, I like keeping it enabled as it does help to snap that perfect moment Thanks for both apps, those will come in helpful when we find a way to modify the buttons.
Ready for another spanner?
Just found http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/official-htc-hd2-disassembly-assembly-training-videos-leaked
The button is the second from last thing to be removed
But it beats saturday night TV for entertainment
Edit; I just watched part 2 and had a lump in my throat when I saw newborn HD2
Robbie P said:
Ready for another spanner?
Just found http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/official-htc-hd2-disassembly-assembly-training-videos-leaked
The button is the second from last thing to be removed
But it beats saturday night TV for entertainment
Edit; I just watched part 2 and had a lump in my throat when I saw newborn HD2
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good find, my LCD panel is leaking backlight an tats just the ticket I was looking for to replace it =) ill thank you when I get to a computer
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
an other battery cover mod
All you need is some sandpaper and metal polish. This will definetly make your phone stand out.
more info :
http://blog.whitesites.com/Chrome-HTC-HD2-Battery-Cover-Tutorial__634103488469591250_blog.htm
Weirdly, this thread hasn't been featured on the XDA Portal yet, and I was told they love HD2 related articles. Again, please recommend this to the portal so we can atteact attention for this I'm now looking into ordering modified keypads, I'll keep you guys posted!
where to get the new key pad or sticket for my HD2, I AM USING TBD_Sensation_XL_Gen3_stock_V3.6
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The following test will prove if the screen is capacitive or resistive:
Is it possible to touch the screen light enough so it won't register a click ?, if this is possible the screen is resistive (with capacitive this is impossible, since once your skin comes in contact with the screen, a click will be registered, it has nothing to do with pressure).
Noam23 said:
The following test will prove if the screen is capacitive or resistive:
Is it possible to touch the screen light enough so it won't register a click ?, if this is possible the screen is resistive (since with capacitive this is impossible).
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Nope, on the lightes click the screen recognizes it.
Cool, it's capacitive then !
i hated it first few hours... typing was impossible for me thanks god it has changed
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i hated it first few hours... typing was impossible for me thanks god it has changed
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What exactly did you hate ?, the moment I got an iPhone to my hands, typing text was WAY easier than on my HD. When the screen registers 100% of the clicks (and not just 95%), it can only be for the good.
Nah, it takes me quite a lot of time to get used to the iPhone screen for typing. I make tons of errors at first.
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Nah, it takes me quite a lot of time to get used to the iPhone screen for typing. I make tons of errors at first.
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If you are using just your fingers in both cases, I can't imagine what will make the iphone more error prone than typing on a resistive screen... you don't make much sense sorry.
Noam23 said:
The following test will prove if the screen is capacitive or resistive:
Is it possible to touch the screen light enough so it won't register a click ?, if this is possible the screen is resistive (with capacitive this is impossible, since once your skin comes in contact with the screen, a click will be registered, it has nothing to do with pressure).
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Mate, the specs have said for a while that the screen is capacitive.
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Cool, it's capacitive then !
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Ahem, what was not clear enough in the official specs where it's clearly written "Capacitive touch screen"?
Anyway, a much better test (to know if it was indeed capacitive) would have been to wear gloves and try using the phone with the gloves
why not just take any item (maybe a stylus from former HTC devices) and try?
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Ahem, what was not clear enough in the official specs where it's clearly written "Capacitive touch screen"?
Anyway, a much better test (to know if it was indeed capacitive) would have been to wear gloves and try using the phone with the gloves
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People were raising claims that you can still see dots on the HD2 screen (when it's off), hence it's still resistive. Those same people claim that the HD2 is "Multitouch Resistive", and that HTC called it Capacitive because of the multitouch capability.
Well, what can you do about ignorant people, except ignore the crap they say...
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I'm no capacitive/resistive screen expert, but those are the dots people are talking about. Maybe it's a new kind of capacitive screen? In any case, if HTC themselves said that it's capacitive then it's capacitive
Guys, am I missing something? HTC have said the screen is capacitive which should be enough.
Whether it's a new type of capacitive screen or not has to be irrelevant. What is of relevance is the way the screen behaves.
For me if the screen acts like a capacitive screen, is quick/responsive, and is a significant improvement on the screen I currently use then that's fine by me.
Like I said, am I missing something?
Cheers
WB
Are people still debating if the screen if capacitive or not.
Again. Its Capacitive. Its been tested by several people who have HD2's, including myself, and the screen only responds on human skin contact. Try other stuff, and no responds.
Besides, a Resistive touchscreen will have a feedback when you press on it. This screen feels like some sort off glass ( and does not go down ).
The responds to the touch is amazing when compared to a x50v ( resistive touchscreen ). You don't press on it, you swipe the screen.
Typing is very light, because you don't need to press down to register any "clicks". I'm actually typing way faster then on my old x50v, including stylus typing. With the x50v, you had times when you press to soft, that the action will not be registered. On the HD2, every press is perfectly registered.
I fear before, that the keyboard with no stylus might be bad, but the full keyboard is even easy to type ( you don't need to switch to the limited key layouts ), and so soft to do.
Its like stroking a women My GF was actually asking if i love her more then the HD2 ... hmmm, i did not answer
I tried to paint it real good.
This is the structure of the screen.
You have these side boxes with 4 of those dots in it.
Benjiro said:
Are people still debating if the screen if capacitive or not.
Again. Its Capacitive. Its been tested by several people who have HD2's, including myself, and the screen only responds on human skin contact. Try other stuff, and no responds.
Besides, a Resistive touchscreen will have a feedback when you press on it. This screen feels like some sort off glass ( and does not go down ).
The responds to the touch is amazing when compared to a x50v ( resistive touchscreen ). You don't press on it, you swipe the screen.
Typing is very light, because you don't need to press down to register any "clicks". I'm actually typing way faster then on my old x50v, including stylus typing. With the x50v, you had times when you press to soft, that the action will not be registered. On the HD2, every press is perfectly registered.
I fear before, that the keyboard with no stylus might be bad, but the full keyboard is even easy to type ( you don't need to switch to the limited key layouts ), and so soft to do.
Its like stroking a women My GF was actually asking if i love her more then the HD2 ... hmmm, i did not answer
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If we can get a conductive stylus, then we could use a stylus on it I think.
I will experiment when I get an HD2, and see what I can do at uni. Maybe something like a copper stylus, with a rounded edge, so as not to damage the screen?
Wow this is starting to get worse than the moon landing conspiracy nuts.
How many times does this have to be confirmed? Sheesh...
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Wow this is starting to get worse than the moon landing conspiracy nuts.
How many times does this have to be confirmed? Sheesh...
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Lol. I was merely speculating there about what could be done. As all you need is something conductive.
Found some silver conductive paint on Maplin. I'm going to give it a go
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If you are using just your fingers in both cases, I can't imagine what will make the iphone more error prone than typing on a resistive screen... you don't make much sense sorry.
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I can confirm that too. The experience is very diferent, cause in resistive screens you can move your fingers too close too the screen without pulling them up, and then press over the right key... with capacitive this will make lots of mistakes
Hi Guys,
I think it is absolutaley essential to have Softkey Buttons for Android instead of breaking our Hardware Keys by obsessively using Android.
A nice approach can be seen by the Xda Dev Fireslave who integrated this in his Wphone 7 Theme, which looks quite nice (look at the two Phone Pics on the right ):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=662034
There is a need for this, because there are already Users who complain of breaking their Hardware Buttons by heavy use of the HD2.
Therefore another Developer made this program for the HD2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612267
I wonder why nearly all outcoming Android Devices from HTC have no hardware buttons anymore?! I think it is for practical use and not only because its a trend in the smartphone developement.
I hope to see a ROM or a Mod for Android in the future...would be very useful!
I am not going to comment or do anything in this Thread as it should be taken as a push for this issue...so if you support this or you get any news about this you can leave something here...
Some Concept Designs...
By Raysearcher ( inspired by "Smart Taskbar"-Android App )
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That's a great idea. I have broken my power button and my menu/start button by using them all the time. I would love to see something like this in Android. I'm just not sure everyone will agree.
motoman234 said:
That's a great idea. I have broken my power button and my menu/start button by using them all the time. I would love to see something like this in Android. I'm just not sure everyone will agree.
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Live and let live.
ducklas1 said:
Hi Guys,
I think it is absolutaley essential to have Softkey Buttons for Android instead of breaking our Hardware Keys by obsessively using Android.
A nice approach can be seen by the Xda Dev Fireslave who integrated this in his Wphone 7 Theme, which looks quite nice (look at the two Phone Pics on the right ):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=662034
There is a need for this, because there are already Users who complain of breaking their Hardware Buttons by heavy use of the HD2.
Therefore another Developer made this program for the HD2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612267
I wonder why nearly all outcoming Android Devices from HTC have no hardware buttons anymore?! I think it is for practical use and not only because its a trend in the smartphone developement.
I hope to see a ROM or a Mod for Android in the future...would be very useful!
I am not going to comment or do anything in this Thread as it should be taken as a push for this issue...so if you support this or you get any news about this you can leave something here...
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+1 good idea my back button is wearing away as we speak
Please someone make soft buttons!
+1 could realy do with something like that. My hard wear buttons are taking a battering on android alll the time
Would feel sad if my keys just sat there unuses...but it would be a great compliment! Would love to see something like this!
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+1...I'm in for it also. Have wanted softkeys since forever.
A must
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Hi Guys,
I think it is absolutaley essential to have Softkey Buttons for Android instead of breaking our Hardware Keys by obsessively using Android.
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Completely agree, I miss this feature in android over the WinMo. For every single app i have to use h/w keys. Though I am not in favour of completely removing h/w keys as they have their own use from time to time. But the softkeys are must to make it a fully touch screen experience.
hey, what about modifying the keyboard, or notification bar similar to cm6.1?
im not programmer, but on a UI perspective those would be the only places that would be nonintrusive to the rest of the systems UI and would not reduce active screen size.
+1...I'm in for it also.
It's a very good idea!!!!!!!
Isn't especially the HD2 predestinated for this becoz of its huge gorgeous sreen?!
some solution for now ...
A great cause to start an app development! Thumbs up!!!
I have been looking for some "easy to switch app" application, without touching the hardware buttons on my HD2. I saw and experienced the Desire HD rom on the HD2, but still it is far from a final state I stick to the "Mdeejay-6.11.2010-Froyo_sense_v2.3_Clean-kernel-15" which runs like native on my HD2.
So, on the Desire HD Rom there is an easy to "switch between apps" possibility, by tapping on the taskbar, then you have a view of recent apps ...
Some more functions, easy accessible like the software buttons would be cool (for the HD2)!
I had a look on the Android market for "program switcher" and found "smart taskbar". It places a transparent arrow on the right (or left side) of the screen. This arrow is the access to the switcher, you have inside a Home button, Exit button, Recent apps ... All apps access ... or whatever you customize! Or you can customize the access not through the arrow, but the taskbar.
This tiny arrow places itself above nearly all apps. You are able to switch between apps, or show Home screen by only tapping to the arrow.
I found the User Interface inside the app a bit uncomfortable, but there is enough room for improvement (more finger friendly, may be Softkey buttons on bottom?!) ...
This app reduces dramatically the use of the hardware buttons!
A specialized app with Softkeys would be awesome
Cheers and have fun!
yeah thanx,
good app...it is really an enrichment for android and will answer our purpose too...
i think android softkeys are kind a challenge for the developers Let us furthermore hope that it will come true...
Personally i would prefer to have gestures for controling the system.something like dolphin hd browser gestures but for the os and all programms.
multi-gesture controlls!
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Personally i would prefer to have gestures for controling the system.something like dolphin hd browser gestures but for the os and all programms.
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Gestures on the HD2 would blow the imagination of usability, i guess! Great idea "clio94"!
We already have some gesture controls, as the pinch to zoom, applied to the desktop, it shows all 7 screens. I can imagine that a gesture would show the Home screen or functions as the Back key! Something like Exposé in Mac OS X
Apple is one of the leading developers in the field of gesture control of interfaces, they have some patents in this field:
http://www.sefranet.net/apple-patents-multitouch-gestures/
... but there is for shure room for imagination and workaround Do not get discouraged developers!
I do not know how the Screen touch sensors of the HD2 are capable of recognition of more than 2 fingers?! Is it all a software driven possibility, can a simple app be installed and the HD2 (or nearly every other android touchscreen phone, that allready has pinch to zoom) would have multi-gesture controlls?
A shame I am not a developer of apps, with some knowledge on that I would initiate something ...
Best regards!
Softkey Project- Android!
Hello
I have been the last night dreaming about those ideas of a Softkey app for HTC HD2 (or Android in general).
This morning I threw some ideas in Photoshop. It is a way how it could look like.
The principles are based on the "smart taskbar" app i mentioned earlier.
Description:
-four soft keys (home, menu, back, search)
-they place themselves over the user interface of a running app
-transparency, position, size can be adjusted over the apps interface
If some of you are developers themselves, you can ad some ideas too?!
It seems like a not too complex code behind, at least those keys would be only shortcuts to the hardware buttons.
I have no knowledge of how to develop Android apps, but would support if someone pics up the Idea (I can provide him/her with graphics etc.).
P.S.Does anyone have some insights about gesture controlling (multi-touch with more than two fingers)?
Cheers
Maybe someone will try to port the buttons from archos 70
@ RAYSEARCHER
Excellent work. ...would be a good alternative...for those who want a restrained look...and hopefully the dream comes true
I hv experience in Java Programming and hv been already involved a little in the Android SDK Plugin for Eclipse...but no time to develop something
@lucian777 THATS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!
have anyone tried activator app from cydia?
would be awesome if i get to use something like that in android!!
Ok I"ve send in my phone for the left yellow/darker problem; Got my phone back but offcourse it's stille there. Maybe a little better than my previous one, it's repared so no complete new phone.
But this left over/ temporarly burn in is still there. Haven't read much abouth it.
Just saw it again now, I'm typing a message, and when in that message I use the pull down menus I can see the contoures of the keyboard in the grey area of the pull down menu for abouth +- 15 seconds after it goes away...
Is this normal? The previous screen had it too. Or does it has to do with something else in my phone except the screen?
Thanks in advance guys!
well as you know its a defect in the screen itself... hmm this is what im thinking of doing as i cant return my phone since its been 7 days... im thinking of buying a new sgs ii from the same store then return it but put the phone i have now in the box... wonder if it will work...
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well as you know its a defect in the screen itself...
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So it's a defect and not every screen has it? My screen has been replaced, but this, besides the yellowish left side, is still visible...
So after a repare this is also still there. So the amount of screens with this problem should be large in amount too? But haven't read abouth this much...
Or I should be that unlucky that just MY 2 screen have this.
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A picture of my phone...luckly, it's no big deal... I haven't seen this effect/ghosting since i changed the stock keyboard.... The yellow tint upsets me more...
Yep that's it!
Ah ok, gonna try changing the stock keyboard. But sometimes it's not only the keyboard, but I can also see contoures of other things. Pixels take long to adjust it seems?
I can also see these left overs in the grey bar of the pull down menus showing on your picture, the one where you put your thumb on. When I pull it down I can se contoures of text under icons, in it. Also dissapearing. You have to look closely.
Also in the stock weather widget(and other things) that the blue of the sky does not stay the same when moving the home screen slightly right(because you can't go left), not all pixels display the color as the previous one. This explanation sounds weird, but do you know what i mean?
Wow, that's really weird. To me, that's much worse than the left side banding which to most is really hard to detect. I'd call what you're describing ghosting or artifacting. I don't have it and would guess if more people did we'd have heard about it. I wouldn't even know where to begin in trying to figure out the cause. Hardware? Software? App conflicts?
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Yep that's it!
Ah ok, gonna try changing the stock keyboard. But sometimes it's not only the keyboard, but I can also see contoures of other things. Pixels take long to adjust it seems?
I can also see these left overs in the grey bar of the pull down menus showing on your picture, the one where you put your thumb on. When I pull it down I can se contoures of text under icons, in it. Also dissapearing. You have to look closely.
Also in the stock weather widget(and other things) that the blue of the sky does not stay the same when moving the home screen slightly right(because you can't go left), not all pixels display the color as the previous one. This explanation sounds weird, but do you know what i mean?
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Well, i haven't noticed this ghosting anywhere except when writing messages whith stock keyboard...even if a leave the same picture on the screen for some time, i can't see any ghosting. However, SAMOLED+ has clearly some issues with grey tones which show all kinds of problems: tinting, ghosting, etc...
I think when you move the home screen around there's some loss of quality so the phone won't slow down. I'm using Launcher pro and there's an option for high quality scrolling, which increaseases quality a lot when moving trough home screens...
BarryH_GEG said:
Wow, that's really weird. To me, that's much worse than the left side banding which to most is really hard to detect. I'd call what you're describing ghosting or artifacting. I don't have it and would guess if more people did we'd have heard about it. I wouldn't even know where to begin in trying to figure out the cause. Hardware? Software? App conflicts?
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OP says both of his phones have it, and you are right, it's so extremely rare that I don't think this was ever brought up here before.
What does this tell us? One of two things is possible:
1. The OP configured both the original and the replacement phone the same way. So it's a software glitch that he himself introduced.
2. The replacement phone actually is his old phone but with new screen replaced. So it's a hardware glitch in display "controller" or gpu.
kreoXDA said:
OP says both of his phones have it, and you are right, it's so extremely rare that I don't think this was ever brought up here
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It's not rare at all. AMOLED screens suffer from retention and burn in. I also see leftover when switching from a high-contast image to something else. ALL phones will have this. Mine, his and yours as well.
The rest of your "explanation" is utter bogus so will not even go there.
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OP says both of his phones have it, and you are right, it's so extremely rare that I don't think this was ever brought up here before.
What does this tell us? One of two things is possible:
1. The OP configured both the original and the replacement phone the same way. So it's a software glitch that he himself introduced.
2. The replacement phone actually is his old phone but with new screen replaced. So it's a hardware glitch in display "controller" or gpu.
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It's the second, I know it's just a new screen, because I've send it in after the DOA period, and the store I bought it from said they had to send it in to Samsung.
I also know it's a different screen, because the small dead pixel isn't there anymore and the yellow on the left is differen(but still there).
I just got this keyboard thing, and some other things being visible as left overs as for now only visible on grey pictures opening after it. Like the pull down notification bar. It's good visible when you're in a darker room.
I just noticed that it also has something to do with my background. It's just black. I tried another colorfull picture and than the countoures of the homescreen icons are much less(almost not) visible when the notification bar is pulled down.
So can someone try to set his background to completely black, and than go to a homescreen with like 4 buddy icons, wait 5 seconds and pull down the notification bar. Can you see the contoures??
I use black background. Never ever have experienced anything like this.
Did you try playing with settings:
Display -> auto adjust screen power (mine is off)
Power saving mode (mine is off too)
kreoXDA said:
I use black background. Never ever have experienced anything like this.
Did you try playing with settings:
Display -> auto adjust screen power (mine is off)
Power saving mode (mine is off too)
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Yep I have it all off too.
Strange problem, i know...
So you can't see anything like this?
r_a_c said:
Yep I have it all off too.
Strange problem, i know...
So you can't see anything like this?
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Not at all! I tried all your cases - no, do not see it. And I have always used a 100% black background everywhere I can on this phone.
If you have a Samsung service center near, maybe you can pay them a visit and ask what's wrong. Or just try full reset with user data wipe and factory firmware restore, to eliminate chances it is some rogue utility you installed.
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So you can't see anything like this?
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Trust me, all the people in the left side banding thread that have been looking at their screens constantly and taking pictures of them would have caught this if it were widespread. You appear to be special.
BarryH_GEG said:
Trust me, all the people in the left side banding thread that have been looking at their screens constantly and taking pictures of them would have caught this if it were widespread. You appear to be special.
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Damn it, I'm f*cked again than...
I don't know if the Cyanogen (CM 10.1)call screen is the same as the stock ROM's - but it's **horrible**. There is no seperate and easily identifiable set of buttons to accept or reject the call - no, you have to press the damned center icon and then hunt for the option you want.
And the buttons for things like speakerphone, etc... are not labeled - you have to hope you guessed right when you pick one to press.
How can the call screen be changed? Is this hardcoded into Android/CM? Or is there some way to replace/customize it?
no its not the same, just flash a custom rom cm10.1
Bradl79 said:
no its not the same, just flash a custom rom cm10.1
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I'm using CM 10.1. And that's the call screen I can't stand. Is there any way to customize/replace it? Honestly, the gingerbread call screen was well laid out. Each button was labeled and clear as to its purpose. I'd be fine if I could use that call screen.
Haphim said:
I'm using CM 10.1. And that's the call screen I can't stand. Is there any way to customize/replace it? Honestly, the gingerbread call screen was well laid out. Each button was labeled and clear as to its purpose. I'd be fine if I could use that call screen.
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oh u don't like the full screen
Bradl79 said:
oh u don't like the full screen
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Pretty much. It's the functionality of the screen that I have a problem with. You shouldn't have to go fishing for the accept/reject actions, and you shouldn't have to guess which button does what. It's kind of similar to why I hate the CM camera. Whoever decided on this type of design was probably related to the guy who invented New Coke.
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Pretty much. It's the functionality of the screen that I have a problem with. You shouldn't have to go fishing for the accept/reject actions, and you shouldn't have to guess which button does what. It's kind of similar to why I hate the CM camera. Whoever decided on this type of design was probably related to the guy who invented New Coke.
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"Hunt?" "Fishing?" Dude, answer is always to the right and reject is always to the left. In fact, the actions are the same as the stock call screen:
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"lightbox_share": "Share",
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Swipe to the right to answer, swipe to the left to reject.
Still, you could give this a try.
mattdm said:
"Hunt?" "Fishing?" Dude, answer is always to the right and reject is always to the left. In fact, the actions are the same as the stock call screen:
Swipe to the right to answer, swipe to the left to reject.
Still, you could give this a try.
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This is TW answer screen.
He clearly stated multiple times that he is using CM. That has a completely different answer screen.
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geoldr said:
This is TW answer screen.
He clearly stated multiple times that he is using CM. That has a completely different answer screen.
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...I know. I was talking about the CM answer screen, and then I said, "In fact, the actions are the same as the stock call screen." Then I posted the picture of the stock answer screen.
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"Hunt?" "Fishing?" Dude, answer is always to the right and reject is always to the left. In fact, the actions are the same as the stock call screen:
Swipe to the right to answer, swipe to the left to reject.
Still, you could give this a try.
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Really? Well first of all, your call screen image is *not* what I'm talking about. For incoming calls, I'm talking about this:
So if this phone is for your grandma, and this is what she sees when someone calls her - and she goes into a panic because she doesn't see any obvious way to answer or not answer the call - you're going to go with "dude - answer is always to the right, and reject is always to the left"?
Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. In every other incarnation of cell phones I have ever handled, when someone calls you, there is an instant visual indicator on the UI of what to do if you want to answer, and what to do if you want to hang up. On *this* call screen, there is no such indicator - and nothing shows up unless and until you press the center dot. This is NOT intuitive, it's NOT quick, and for anyone who isn't a power user who has the procedure ingrained in muscle memory, it's a royal pain in the ass.
And then we get to outgoing calls, where I'm talking about this:
And once again, a person has to guess what icon does what. Sure, if you're an experienced power user, you can guess with a decent probability of being correct - but for inexperienced users, it's not even clear that these are buttons as opposed to indicator icons. Contrast this with the gingerbread screen, where everything was clearly labeled, and there was no ambiguity over what button does what.
As for your market link - I appreciate the link, but although that might be a slight benefit for the incoming screen, I don't think it's designed to do anything about the outgoing screen. I'm still looking for a way to customize both.
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Really? Well first of all, your call screen image is *not* what I'm talking about. For incoming calls, I'm talking about this:
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...........I know. I already explained that to geoldr up there. Why would I post a picture of the CM answer screen; you already know what it looks like. I was posting a picture of the stock answer screen to show you that the motions are the same whether you're on CM or TW.
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So if this phone is for your grandma, and this is what she sees when someone calls her - and she goes into a panic because she doesn't see any obvious way to answer or not answer the call - you're going to go with "dude - answer is always to the right, and reject is always to the left"?
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No, you're right; you do have to learn it the first time you get a call. But then after you see that answer is to the right and reject is to the left, you don't have to wonder any more. You just know. You make it sound like you have to learn something new every time.
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Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. In every other incarnation of cell phones I have ever handled, when someone calls you, there is an instant visual indicator on the UI of what to do if you want to answer, and what to do if you want to hang up. On *this* call screen, there is no such indicator - and nothing shows up unless and until you press the center dot. This is NOT intuitive, it's NOT quick, and for anyone who isn't a power user who has the procedure ingrained in muscle memory, it's a royal pain in the ass.
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It may not be intuitive, but it is quick. I agree, though; it would be better for the indicators to be visible before the center handle is pressed.
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And then we get to outgoing calls, where I'm talking about this:
And once again, a person has to guess what icon does what. Sure, if you're an experienced power user, you can guess with a decent probability of being correct - but for inexperienced users, it's not even clear that these are buttons as opposed to indicator icons. Contrast this with the gingerbread screen, where everything was clearly labeled, and there was no ambiguity over what button does what.
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Here I definitely agree with you; they should be labeled.
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As for your market link - I appreciate the link, but although that might be a slight benefit for the incoming screen, I don't think it's designed to do anything about the outgoing screen. I'm still looking for a way to customize both.
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I don't think you can. You could try out some different CM10 themes, but I don't know if any add labels to those buttons.
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No, you're right; you do have to learn it the first time you get a call. But then after you see that answer is to the right and reject is to the left, you don't have to wonder any more. You just know. You make it sound like you have to learn something new every time.
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Have you ever known someone (usually an older person) for whom you have had to explain and re-explain how to do the same thing dozens, if not hundreds of times? For some people, if the procedure for how to complete a task is not obvious, they just have a really hard time getting it. This is magnified exponentially if they are flustered during the procedure - such as when a phone is ringing and they are desperately trying to figure out how to answer before the other person hangs up.
Even for the average person, it's not difficult to forget which way to swipe for each action. So although they might remember that they have to swipe the dot, since the targets are not initially shown, if they mix up the directions, they might accidentally answer a call they were trying to reject. Obviously, this can have unfortunate consequences.
So I don't think I'm off target by describing this as a poorly designed call screen. If it works well for you, then that's fantastic, and I'm glad your experience is that much better. But it annoys me, and it's outright unuseable by others - so I think it's reasonable to look for a way to improve it.
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I don't think you can. You could try out some different CM10 themes, but I don't know if any add labels to those buttons.
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Thanks. I was hoping for a different answer, but if that's the case, then so be it. I'll take a further look at the link you gave earlier to see if that's a good choice to at least deal with the incoming call screen.
Hi,
By default, multi-tasking on LG G2 works by holding the home button.
Actually, I love Nexus' buttons because I'm a sucker for multi-tasking and I hate pressing & holding/waiting.
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I was planning on buying Nexus 5, after hating the multi-tasking on my current Samsung S3, but it seems LG G2 is a better choice in terms of battery, screen and also camera.
So my question is, can I put that multi-tasking button on LG G2? Holding & waiting is a deal breaker for me.
Custom rom?
this is not q and a section
but if u root u can probably ad a different button and remap it
You can customize your navigation buttons to some degree on the stock ROM, and I'm pretty sure Recent Apps is one of the buttons you can configure.
Though personally I like Halo))) for multi tasking a lot more. But you will need a custom ROM for that.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.
khaytsus said:
Custom rom?
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Nope. This phone is highly customized and I don't want to lose features.
Also I'm afraid of dealing any kind of invalidated warranty issues. I wouldn't use a custom rom for this phone, instead I'd buy Nexus 5 if that's the case.
maydayind said:
this is not q and a section
but if u root u can probably ad a different button and remap it
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Well the "new thread" page has a "if this is a Question" option, and I chose it. Why is it there otherwise?
Vepaot said:
You can customize your navigation buttons to some degree on the stock ROM, and I'm pretty sure Recent Apps is one of the buttons you can configure.
Though personally I like Halo))) for multi tasking a lot more. But you will need a custom ROM for that.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.
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That customization option of LG G2 is why I asked this question. At this youtu.be/YLS9T2oFsWY?t=25s YouTube Video I see that there's no multi-tasking touch button option. See the attachment #1 here please.
However, on the attachment #2, from this youtu.be/lKUUkGEs5hc?t=59s YouTube Video the guy seems to have multi-tasking button. He commented that he uses "GMD Auto Hide Soft Keys", but I don't know if that app made the multi-tasking button or it can be enabled without a 3rd party app.
I'm still thinking it can't be done without a custom rom. I'd like to know this as certain before buying a phone, so if anyone knows I'd be glad.
Root, install Xposed Framework and buy Xposed G2 premium features. You will then be able to use the Recents button.
Rooting would void the warranty as well, so that's not an option for him.
Unfortunately I don't have a stock ROM to go and test for you. I've got mine all set up the way I want and flashing back would mess up all of my custom notification sounds even with a nandroid backup.
GMD Auto Hide also requires root access, so I think you're boned either way. If you aren't willing to make the modifications to get your device working the way you'd like, then I don't think this is the phone for you. I hope you find one that has the default features you're looking for.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.
There is literally no other way than at least rooting and following my steps. I believe a clean flash will reset the root flag so his warranty will be alright (perhaps also selecting Unroot in SuperSU before clean flashing).
What you see circled in red below is the option button, not multi tasking unfortunately
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metalboy94 said:
There is literally no other way than at least rooting and following my steps. I believe a clean flash will reset the root flag so his warranty will be alright (perhaps also selecting Unroot in SuperSU before clean flashing).
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I believe if you need to root a new model phone at the day one , you shouldn't buy it at all.
My rooting experience
Once I was using HTC Desire, its volume down button was stuck. It wasn't starting up, because volume down button makes it enter the boot menu. It was also rooted and wasn't able to unroot it in any way since it wasn't opening. Even the boot menu was not working because the volume down made the menu continuously select the next item.
Thank god the warranty service replaced the phone entirely. If they would have started it up, the warranty would be probably voided.
And I don't live in U.S., warranty services much more *****y around here. You cannot even return a product after you open the sealed box, even if you opened it in the store. It goes to technical service, gets approved for refunding, takes weeks. Less customer rights around here.
That's why I will never pay hundreds of $$$ to some phone I need to get into risk. Also I don't have time for it. I start rooting the phone, then customizing, then more options, more apps, other roms, it takes too much time. I prefer to use what I buy with a clear head. If it's not for me, I wouldn't buy it. So I'm here to understand if this phone is for me or not. This is how I feel. I believe many of you believe otherwise, but we are not all the same.
I disagree with your opinion, the great thing about Android is that if you can think it, you can do it.
But I understand what you are saying and it is your money and your choice. Ultimately, what makes you happy is the most important thing to consider when making a purchase, and it sounds like this feature is a deal breaker for you.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.
I'm not from the US either, so I am also subject to harsher warranties.
However, what you are requesting is not something ordinary, and definitely not something offered by other manufacturers (everyone uses a preset layout of buttons, the G2 is AFAIK the first phone with a customizable navigation bar out of the box). It is normal that you will have to modify the stock ROM for that, and this kind of customizing is the very heart of Android. If you take risks, you can get amazing results.
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I use Apex launcher and I assign Swipe Up gesture to open the Recent Apps / Multi-tasking function (even without root)..
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metalboy94 said:
I'm not from the US either, so I am also subject to harsher warranties.
However, what you are requesting is not something ordinary, and definitely not something offered by other manufacturers (everyone uses a preset layout of buttons, the G2 is AFAIK the first phone with a customizable navigation bar out of the box). It is normal that you will have to modify the stock ROM for that, and this kind of customizing is the very heart of Android. If you take risks, you can get amazing results.
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I disagree that what I want is not ordinary. LG G2 allows customizing the buttons. They could have easily let users run an app when tapping a custom button (there are apps to show multi-tasking window up) or let users execute a command from a list.
Allowing customization but presenting only a few options is just meaningless.
For example instead of Quick Notes button, or opening notification panel button there putting a search button might help some people, like HTC had in previous phones.
In new models HTC also presents multi-tasking touch button. Again, multi-tasking button is ordinary enough.
For example I could have liked my current Samsung S3 if it allowed me to open multi-tasking window by swiping the menu touch button. But Samsung doesn't present any customization in that area, so I never even searched anything about that on the internet. Most people I know and I prefer to tap Samsung's back button 3-4 times to return to home screen instead of pressing the physical button. Because it is faster to tap the back button, and my phone's home button really needs some pressure to work.
I was amazed when I saw LG offered customization for touch buttons, but disappointed right now because their customization offers only more or less 8 options.
The bottom buttons are the constant and most used user interaction point, I don't understand how manufacturers don't see this.
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I use Apex launcher and I assign Swipe Up gesture to open the Recent Apps / Multi-tasking function (even without root)..
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Hmm, I should try this. This sounds it may work for me. Thanks!
It can be done without a custom ROM by using G2 Xposed. That of course requires root, but who would want to not root? Rooting is amazing!
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Yes. With root.
This is my phone, with stock LG ROM. Rooted and installed G2 Xposed (free version).
Fine if you do not want to root, you can try using LG's (dumb) feature called Slide Aside where you can use 3 fingers to hibernate apps and resume them, similar to recents. It's the dumbest feature I've seen from ANY phone maker, but it's there.
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An option
How about pressing and holding the home button and when the app list pops select the desired app....
lombak2006 said:
How about pressing and holding the home button and when the app list pops select the desired app....
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I use recent apps button frequently, so holding & waiting is not my first choice. I'm aware of that feature. I hate holding and waiting. My current Samsung S3 is like that too. You hold & wait for things like moving icons, which are not frequently used. I'm addicted to alt+tab on my desktop pc too. I use many apps simultaneously.