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Concept: HD2.5

Hi XDA,
I just want to start of by saying that the HD2 is probably the best thing I ever bought. Still, after more than 2 years, it remains a highly functioning phone. I sometimes run Android (TBD Sensation XL) on it, and sometimes Windows Phone 7.5. (The latest version by Pdaimatejam is amazing, and 100% working, including multitouch and camera) Both amazing roms which run extremely well on our aging phone.
There is on thing, however, which bothers me. This might seem to many as a minor flaw, but to me, keeping a perfect design philosophy in mind, really is a dealbreaker sometimes. This is the fact that the illustrations on the buttons don't represent their true functions in both OS's. The other day I brought my damaged back cover back to life by giving it a brushed metal finish (http://blog.whitesites.com/Chrome-HTC-HD2-Battery-Cover-Tutorial__634103488469591250_blog.htm) Now this got me thinking, what if we could somehow modify the HD2 in order to make it feel like a new phone, which natively runs Android and/or Windows Phone. Together with the chrome back cover it would look awesome!
Now, there's already a tutorial for chroming the back cover. However, to modify the illustrations on the buttons would be more difficult. First and foremost, Android and Windows Phone bother require different buttons. Windows phone requires a power button, a camera button, a back button, a home/start button and a search button. While Android (looking at Sensation XL/Runnymede) requires a power button, a menu button, a search button, a home button and a back button. Both configurations, in my opinion, are optimized for their respective OS's. And for those who might not know, the HD2 has a call button, a home button, a windows start button, a back button and a power/call end button. I haven't really figured out how to actually modify the buttons themselves. Possibly, some sort of extra though stickers would do. These would maybe also allow to be removed, so the phone can be sold again. But, XDA, all difficulties aside, behold, the HD2.5:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Looks awesome, doesn't it?​
The button configuration, in my opinion, makes sense for both OS's (WP and Android). Let's talk about them from right to left. The on the far right is obviously the power button. It's function is straightforward. The conscientious reader might notice that the original HD2 also has a call end icon on it. Well, it doesn't fulfill this function in both OS's so I removed it. The button next to the power button is the search button. Also, the function of it is self-explanatory. The original HD2 lacks a search button, but in my opinion WP and Android work well with one. In the middle there's the home button. In Android it would redirect the user to the home screen (duh), and in Windows Phone it would bring the user to the start menu. A reasonably representative icon for both right? To the left of the home button is the back button. Again, a necessity for both OS's and the function of which is pretty self-explanatory as well. In Windows Phone it serves a more powerful function in my opinion though And finally, to the far left, there's a peculiar icon. Let's zoom in to have a closer look:
I actually came up with this icon while brain-storming for an icon which means both 'camera' and 'menu/options'. Well, tadaa. While using Windows Phone it would represent a shutter, which would more accurately describe its function than 'camera' anyway. In Android it would have the menu/options function, which makes sense, as it also looks like a gear. Like it? And while only a mock-up, I think it's the best solution for the problem of button configuration. Oh, and the order of the buttons (which could have been any, obviously) is thought through. It's based on the Windows Phone order, with the less important ones (power and shutter/options) on the sides.
Here's a mock-up of it running Windows Phone:
And here's one of it running Android with sense 3.5 (Sensation XL):
They both look amazing right?
I hope you guys like this concept. AND, if anybody can figure out a way to get the icons on the buttons (as said before, maybe some sort of sticker) please let me know! And by the way, the actual function of the buttons in the OS is easily changeable. In Android it can easily be cooked in, and there are numerous apps in the marketplace for it. In WP, the extra settings app by Cotulla does the job.
We modified the HD2 so thoroughly that we might as well modify its name as well! HD2.5!
Thanks devs btw!

Looks really nice! for the buttons; Maybe we could rub the icons off with white spirits (dont know whether it would work) then use some transfers to put teh new icons on? or some stickers would do the job but I reckon transfers would be a more professional finish

james1123 said:
Looks really nice! for the buttons; Maybe we could rub the icons off with white spirits (dont know whether it would work) then use some transfers to put teh new icons on? or some stickers would do the job but I reckon transfers would be a more professional finish
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I don't think we can rub it off; I assume the shapes are deeply engraved into the button strip. Since they conduct light? or is it just a finish ? And a sticker would block the light.

I did a random grind on mine. The picture doesnt show it too well but it looks awesome and with the Pdaimatejam (the best thing thats ever happened to the HD2) it's a whole new phone.
The HD2 has light pipes for the buttons.. so you could paint black over them then silkscreen the white icons, but you'd loose the ability to have light up buttons.
Hmm... I have a silkscreen department here at work, I might give that a try.

Surely the place for any stickers is in the gap between the buttons and the screen where it says HTC
Nice Idea though.
@theDante, last time I did silkscreen printing was at school, ink everywhere good luck.

whats the construction on the buttons, might it be easier to get replacements?

Hi guys, thanks for all the attention! I have also submitted this to the portal, to help it get more attention. Please do so as well! Wouldn't it be awesome if we could make this happen? I'm more than willing to modify mine btw, never going resell it anyway!

I don't like the back cover at all, but the buttons are really, really nice.
I hope you guys find a way to do it!

If you need practice http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/500224657/New_Keypad_button_repair_part_for.html
Or get a bulk order with new design and sell them on (to brave people willing to remove screen)

Robbie P said:
If you need practice http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/500224657/New_Keypad_button_repair_part_for.html
Or get a bulk order with new design and sell them on (to brave people willing to remove screen)
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Wow that seems awesome, any experience with removing the screen btw?

demaxmeister said:
Wow that seems awesome, any experience with removing the screen btw?
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haven't needed to yet. There are plenty of tutorials around on xda, not sure how easy it would be to just replace buttons.

just sent a message to the supplier on Alibaba asking whether he could do a custom design on the keypads, I will post back when he answers me.
Maybe we could all chip in for a bulk order, dont know how much he will want but im willing to chip in for it.

Awesome, let me know!

FYI XBmod will release easy hardkey remapping in his next ROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22215801&postcount=1328. Also in android there are many choices of softkey mods see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1413582.
I am not entirely sure I would want the camera button on the left. With Yuki's NODO rom I had many blank photos which were shot from in my pocket, although I think you can disable the camera-on function. It is the LHS and RHS buttons which are more likely to be accidentally pressed. A camera button is needed though for panorama shots.
I hate to throw any spanners but thought the above worth mentioning.

Robbie P said:
FYI XBmod will release easy hardkey remapping in his next ROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22215801&postcount=1328. Also in android there are many choices of softkey mods see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1413582.
I am not entirely sure I would want the camera button on the left. With Yuki's NODO rom I had many blank photos which were shot from in my pocket, although I think you can disable the camera-on function. It is the LHS and RHS buttons which are more likely to be accidentally pressed. A camera button is needed though for panorama shots.
I hate to throw any spanners but thought the above worth mentioning.
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Yeah it's not ideal, it has happened to me once before as well. However, I like keeping it enabled as it does help to snap that perfect moment Thanks for both apps, those will come in helpful when we find a way to modify the buttons.

Ready for another spanner?
Just found http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/official-htc-hd2-disassembly-assembly-training-videos-leaked
The button is the second from last thing to be removed
But it beats saturday night TV for entertainment
Edit; I just watched part 2 and had a lump in my throat when I saw newborn HD2

Robbie P said:
Ready for another spanner?
Just found http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/official-htc-hd2-disassembly-assembly-training-videos-leaked
The button is the second from last thing to be removed
But it beats saturday night TV for entertainment
Edit; I just watched part 2 and had a lump in my throat when I saw newborn HD2
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good find, my LCD panel is leaking backlight an tats just the ticket I was looking for to replace it =) ill thank you when I get to a computer
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an other battery cover mod
All you need is some sandpaper and metal polish. This will definetly make your phone stand out.
more info :
http://blog.whitesites.com/Chrome-HTC-HD2-Battery-Cover-Tutorial__634103488469591250_blog.htm

Weirdly, this thread hasn't been featured on the XDA Portal yet, and I was told they love HD2 related articles. Again, please recommend this to the portal so we can atteact attention for this I'm now looking into ordering modified keypads, I'll keep you guys posted!

where to get the new key pad or sticket for my HD2, I AM USING TBD_Sensation_XL_Gen3_stock_V3.6

Tips and tricks

I thought I'd start this thread to consolidate all the info on the features of the Note 10.1 for those new to Android or tablets, those who are on the fence about buying this, or those who just haven't figured out all the cool features yet
Here's some off the top of my head:
Pinch the keyboard to get this:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
You can then move the floating and split keyboards by pushing and holding with 2 fingers.
Press and hold the settings key on the keyboard and select the T icon to switch to handwriting recognition mode.
In the keyboard settings, select "continuous input" for Swype-like functionality.
Feel free to add anything else you might find useful!
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Any clue how I could force the keyboard to appear ?
Background of my question is that "Logmein" desktop -version works nicely in stock browser, chrome and opera but I can' t call up he keyboard once I want to type on the remote pc .......

Just found this out: the screen turns on when you pull the pen out.
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Thanks
freedomispopular said:
I thought I'd start this thread to consolidate all the info on the features of the Note 10.1 for those new to Android or tablets, those who are on the fence about buying this, or those who just haven't figured out all the cool features yet
Here's some off the top of my head:
Pinch the keyboard to get this:
You can then move the floating and split keyboards by pushing and holding with 2 fingers.
Press and hold the settings key on the keyboard and select the T icon to switch to handwriting recognition mode.
In the keyboard settings, select "continuous input" for Swype-like functionality.
Feel free to add anything else you might find useful!
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Had no idea of the swipe style option available on the keyboard...

Here's a video of tips and tricks I've just whipped up. -> http://youtu.be/tC7z5PCdGLE
This is what I've discovered so far: smart stay, motion gestures, keyboard layouts (displayed by OP), handwriting input, nav keys extra functions, S Pen button, mini apps, screenshot key alternate uses and a demonstration of power, four apps running at the same time all of them shown on the screen at once!

Seems the more I learn about this tablet the more I like it. I had removed all of the Sammyware, but now I've out a few things back. Great thread.

Nice feature: Lock screen can be shut off completely ......... very handy when You work with N10.1 the entire day
BTW: stil no one has a clue how to force the keyboard to pop up in browser ?

troed said:
Nice feature: Lock screen can be shut off completely ......... very handy when You work with N10.1 the entire day
BTW: stil no one has a clue how to force the keyboard to pop up in browser ?
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I am also wondering if it's possible to do this with the keyboard, if you find something, please keep us updated! Thanks

For a keyboard to pop up it needs to have an input field. it will be useless if you pop it up without anything listening to the keyboard.
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FPtje said:
For a keyboard to pop up it needs to have an input field. it will be useless if you pop it up without anything listening to the keyboard.
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Well I have this situation where I need to press F12 to change to another page, but no input field in the page by itself. I tried clicking on the address bar to open the keyboard, but since the focus is not at the right place, it's not working. So I have a situation where it is NOT useless.
I don't know what troed wants to accomplish though.

troed said:
Nice feature: Lock screen can be shut off completely ......... very handy when You work with N10.1 the entire day
BTW: stil no one has a clue how to force the keyboard to pop up in browser ?
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Didn't find where you can shut it off for the whole day. Info, please?

16:10 ratio movie will take up the entire screen in the stock video player - it'll hide the controlls and display edge to,edge.

toenail_flicker said:
Didn't find where you can shut it off for the whole day. Info, please?
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I'm curious as well. I hate lock screens, they don't seem to have any use to me, especially on a tablet. This thing can't turn on in my pocket, I don't wear clown pants(assuming clown pants have giant clown pockets). I just installed the "No Lock" app which does the trick.

toenail_flicker said:
Didn't find where you can shut it off for the whole day. Info, please?
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effluent said:
I'm curious as well. I hate lock screens, they don't seem to have any use to me, especially on a tablet. This thing can't turn on in my pocket, I don't wear clown pants(assuming clown pants have giant clown pockets). I just installed the "No Lock" app which does the trick.
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Settings > Security > Screen security
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troed said:
Nice feature: Lock screen can be shut off completely ......... very handy when You work with N10.1 the entire day
BTW: stil no one has a clue how to force the keyboard to pop up in browser ?
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Thank you! for thast nfo

freedomispopular said:
Settings > Security > Screen security
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Thanks. More info, please. Already looked there. Maybe my contacts are dirty.

Anyone know if there is any way to go immediately to Google bookmarks in the stock browser instead of local?

toenail_flicker said:
Thanks. More info, please. Already looked there. Maybe my contacts are dirty.
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"None" should be the very last option in the screen lock page.

Nice. Thanks. Yup, seems I need wipers for my contacts.

Here we go in German settings (see attachment)
Why I need the keyboard to be opened even if there is no "call it to screen" input field:
I use "logmein" now for a couple of years for only one reason: to check my patients data base in my clinic.
Once I'm logged in and the remote screen appears I can click the icons to start the program but once I want to type a name ton the remote PC he keyboard does not appear.
Of course there would be other solutions, but I tried Splashtop Remote and other similar apps which do not work since my provider protects my clinic from outside intrusion by a firewall and even after my provider opened the ports necessary to run Splashtop Remote it does not work. After testing a lot of apps in the last two years with my SGSII/III and Note LOGMEIN is the only procedure that works. Of course I could buy the Android app Logmein ignition but look at the rating of this app, the prize and comments that it works very poor if at all. And why should I buy an app when my magnificent Note10.1 can do the same with it's browser ?IF I COULD FORCE THE KEYBOARD TO APPEAR ON THE SCREEN TO TYPE ON MY REMOTE PC !!!!!!!!

[FEATURE-LIST]Newest Firmware OTA 4.1.1, India build: N8000DDALI1

Quick heads-up. This is definitely not supposed to be a release candidate. There are a lot of times when apps crash, you can't change lock-screen background due to system crashes etc etc.
I know there are plenty of other topics all about this OTA. Here I present to you, a feature summary.
Please keep in mind that this most likely IS NOT the final 4.1.1 release that Samsung will put out.
Nevertheless, I hope you guys like it!
Feature-list:
S Note upgrades
S Note Widget
Improved calendar colours
Blocking mode
Text-message backgrounds
new multi-tasking features
Screenshot improvements
Improved text selection
S Note
Ah.. The note taking app from Samsung. I think this app was already pretty decent in 4.0.4, so let's see what some of the changes are.
The first thing that you should notice is that Samsung added a scrolling bar on the side. Sweet! Navigation through the standard navigation icon is still available.
When you active the Pen Only mode, the screen still responds to touch for navigation purposes. Touching the scrollbar to scroll works fine.
Want to know what also works fine? Pinch zooming! And boy oh boy, with this update, you WILL be pinch zooming with your palm while using the S Pen. Hate it..
This pretty much beats the purpose of the pen-only mode for me. Great I can't write with my finger any more.. but my palm keeps zooming in etc. It can't be that bad I hear you say? Well, it wouldn't be if it happened once every 15 minutes or so.. but I get it SO FREQUENTLY.. it annoys the hell out of me.
(Lucky for me, I'm getting a Smudge Guard (sort of a Wacom Cintiq 'glove') which will allow my palm to rest on the screen without any hassle. Was already getting it for drawing purposes )
Something that bothers me a bit, is the fact that with the update, landscape mode is zoomed in past 100% making the text and background blurry by default. Rotating your device to portrait mode ofcourse 'fixes' this, but I like working with my tab in landscape mode. On top of this, it is annoying to manually zoom to 100% because there is NO snapping. Leaving you twitching somewhere between 94~106%.
I don't have OCD, but man o man would I like this baby to snap to 100%
Folder lay-out
I wanted to add this quick tip in here. This was already a feature in 4.0.4 but I don't think many people know of it. You can adjust the width of the 'folder-bar' by selecting the dividing line and dragging it to the left or right. Dragging it all the way to the left, hides the folder lay-out.
Portrait page, covers and backgrounds
First off, you get to choose a new page preset named Landscape note.
Also, some new covers and backgrounds are present in this update. Nothing too fancy, but I think that the music sheet is pretty sweet for those who know how to use it.
New S Note widget
I'm pretty sure that this wasn't included in 4.0.4. Correct me if I'm wrong
New sync options?
Nope! The sync options are still limited to Google Drive and Evernote. No dropbox yet..
Settings
I don't believe anything has changed here, but a screenshot anyway
A nice new 'feature' is the fact that the colours in the agenda have been updated. They are brighter than before and reflect the colours I use in my Google Calender better! Yay!
Blocking mode
In the settings tab you can find an interesting new feature called blocking mode. Allowing you to block notifications, incoming calls etc. It's like an upgraded 'Airplane mode' with nice features like time settings and white-listing contacts.
Background text-messaging
Now you can also add a custom background to your textmessage overview yay!
Multi-tasking upgrade bonanza
At first it didn't seem to me that the multi-tasking was incorporated just yet. I had to search for that son of a gun. Turns out, they've given the 'up' - arrow at the bottom of the screen a pretty big make-over.
Where at first you just had some pop-ups like the S Note, Calculator, World time, etc. You now have a world of 'new' possibilities. I haven't played with this a lot yet, but it seems promising. Although there doesn't seem to be any support for third party apps.
When you press the arrow, you get to select which app you want to open. Also you can arrange the open apps in various lay-outs. Free-floating, and a few grid options (see images). Dragging a free floating app to one side of the screen, has a Windows 7 - like feature, making it expand to that side of the screen.
Now I hear people think, "why isn't there a multi-task button in the apps anymore?". Well, you can easily make a (samsung) app free floating, by dragging downwards from the outside, at the top of your screen. (Just like opening notifications on android smartphones!)
To me all these multi-task features feel a bit 'buggy', but I might have a change of heart when I get used to using it
Improved screenshots
Now you can hold the pen button and DRAG! to immediately marquee an area that you want to cut out and take a snapshot of.
Haven't gotten to testing this a lot, so bear with me on the 2 shots
Improved text selection
When selecting text in 4.1.1 you first get an Apple-like magnifier, which is stylized in a pixel-art-like style. It's pretty small though. The selection markers are a bit smaller and seem to have improved performance. In 4.0.4 I found it rather annoying to use them.. In 4.1.1 it feels much better
If you know how to take a screenshot of the notifications, please let me know. The pen method and the on-screen short-cut don't work.
You miss anything? Request something!
Thank if you like!

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About the multiwindow feature: nice find! Love this more than the "old" way.
Did you also noticed the new way of selecting text. They are using a magnifier now like the iPad/iPhone. Nice steal .. Hope they don't gonna troll Apple by copying everything that is not patented LoL

Thanks for the list. Looks promising for sure!

I don't know how it is in a browser but in tapatalk none of these pics will zoom.
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appelflap said:
About the multiwindow feature: nice find! Love this more than the "old" way.
Did you also noticed the new way of selecting text. They are using a magnifier now like the iPad/iPhone. Nice steal .. Hope they don't gonna troll Apple by copying everything that is not patented LoL
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Thanks! Didn't notice that yet. I don't think they'll have any issues, it looks totally different.
@Mitchellvii; All these image-thumbnails are hyperlinked to the images on imgur, where they are hosted. I don't know how to do it differently on this forum
I know it works fine when I use the XDA app, but this was all created on my laptop

Looks nice so far. But as much as I enjoy having 85 different styles of notebook covers to choose from, how about:
1) Allowing us to create and save our own templates? <<< This!
2) Some white lined paper (yeah crazy right?)
3) A "chalkboard" background so we can write in white (hey I'm weird, I prefer whiting in white ink).

Holy s**t! The new multi tasking looks superb!
One X to rule them all

Looks promising with 4.1.1.

InsaneCloaks said:
If you know how to take a screenshot of the notifications, please let me know. The pen method and the on-screen short-cut don't work.
You miss anything? Request something!
Thank if you like!
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Just press the power-button and the volume-down-button together for 1-2 sec

Craiq said:
Just press the power-button and the volume-down-button together for 1-2 sec
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Thanks kind sir! :laugh: :good:
Quick heads-up. This is definitely not supposed to be a release candidate. There are a lot of times when apps crash, you can't change lock-screen background due to system crashes etc etc.

Samsung's new testing team -- XDA members!
Seriously, this is a good method. Their phones/tabs are unlocked, so it's easy for anyone to try Beta software. This allows Samsung to get real in-depth review of bugs in the codes. And it's fun for many people. Just look at SGS3 JB leaks -- new leak every single day. I won't even call them a leak now!

"If you know how to take a screenshot of the notifications, please let me know. The pen method and the on-screen short-cut don't work"
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Actually, anywhere on the taskbar works
Just noticed, if you want to get the bottom bit in the screenshot, i.e, the home, back and task button, do it on one of your homescreens, as it shows up there

Hmm has anyone got the ir function to work?? for me it is dead...

slitex said:
Hmm has anyone got the ir function to work?? for me it is dead...
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It seems your right, I just tested mine. It doesn't seem to work either.
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Quick heads-up. This is definitely not supposed to be a release candidate. There are a lot of times when apps crash, you can't change lock-screen background due to system crashes etc etc.[/COLOR][/SIZE]
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So far I've only experienced one app crash in S Note, and also I tried to change the lock screen background and it works for me.
Been using the update for like 2 days now, and it has been suprisingly reliable for me.

KingRamo said:
It seems your right, I just tested mine. It doesn't seem to work either.
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So far I've only experienced one app crash in S Note, and also I tried to change the lock screen background and it works for me.
Been using the update for like 2 days now, and it has been suprisingly reliable for me.
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I have not have one single fc app, and i have rooted it too so u can play a littlebit moore..

I wish Samsung is reading this post. But I remain skeptical about this

salmonsushi said:
I wish Samsung is reading this post. But I remain skeptical about this
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I believe Samsungs developers are reading this forum, if you have a look at http://www.sammobile.com/ you can see that Samsung are leaking a new JB rom for the SIII pretty much every single day, which would make me think that they are actually using the bug reports and posts in the forum to correct bug and leak new releases.

Too scared to have a proper beta program which allow half of the people able to flash it without getting weird errors?
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I am actually more worried about S Note.. If the final version does not disable pinch to zoom in pen only mode, my palm will definitely mess everything up. The it will be a deal breaker and I may not upgrade to jelly bean coz I take notes extensively
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In case anyone on an 8013 wonders if this works for us, yes it does, im running it right now. For good instructions look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1876644
One thing I have noticed is that the stock browser ia MUCH faster, especially when accessing your Google bookmarks. That used to lag badly when opening but no more.
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S-Note Issues in 4.1.X JB

After the recent update from ICS to JB, many have noticed new S-Note problems.
Problems:
1.) Palm Detection Fail
2.) Missing Full Screen Function
This thread is to consolidate everything together. And bring awareness and hopefully find a fix or workaround to these issues.

Darkman posted the old version of S-Note, but so far there no one has confirmed that they work on JB.
Darkman said:
In this ZIP all SNotes that i have....
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S Note v0.1 - build 5r8988V03
S Note v0.5 - build r10645FV03
S Note v5r10645FV03
S Note v5r12434FV03
S Note v5r17214FV03
v0.1 & v0.5 i think is from 4.0.4
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klau1 said:
Darkman posted the old version of S-Note, but so far there no one has confirmed that they work on JB.
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S Note's not broken in JB, it's different and OP isn't pleased with some of the changes Samsung made. This is what he posted in another thread...
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I've been using the updated version of S Note in JB since November and have been fine with it. I guess others have been too since this is the first time someone's called the new features "issues." And you can't just apply a different S Note APK because there are supporting files that it needs and it will FC when you try to open it. I don't know what to tell you OP, it is what it is.

Full screen is one thing, but how can you stand the palm detection issue?
If you rest your hand on the screen first before your s-pen gets within proximity, it will unintentionally zoom.
Before, There was no problem with palm touching the screen first.
You are fine with this?

klau1 said:
If you rest your hand on the screen first before your s-pen gets within proximity, it will unintentionally zoom.
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Samsung added scroll bars at the bottom and right of an active S Note because people were unhappy with the scrolling box in earlier versions. The scroll bars are sensitive to non-pen input even when palm rejection is active. I'm guessing this is to make it easier to navigate around an S Note. They also added multi-point non-pen input so that even when the palm rejection is active, if you touch the display in two places at once (EG: with two fingers), it will allow zooming. So since I've known this I avoid touching the scroll bar areas and make sure that my palm touches the display solidly so it's not mistaken for "two fingers." Here's a quick video showing what I'm talking about.
And here's something that might help. In the newer version of S Note that added a new template, "landscape note." At 100% it uses the all of the Note's display and therefore doesn't need to display scroll bars. So you get some of the real estate that you lost with the elimination of full screen mode back as well as eliminating the scroll bars which are sensitive to input even with palm rejection on.
And to answer your question, I am fine with it because I hated the scroll box and there are times when I do navigate with my fingers (scroll bars, two finger zoom) while I'm primarily using the pen.

Trust me, it's not the scroll bars that is causing the scrolling hahaha.
BTW, your video is private.
If that was the issue, then people who are complaining would be retarded.
You can put your palm right in the middle of the page, FAR away from any scroll bars on the side, and STILL it will zoom wildly.
Yes, even in the landscape template.
Maybe your palm is different than mine and many others. Because when I'm holding the S-PEN, the moment my side palm hits the screen, the Note zooms CRAZILY!!! All over the place.

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Oops. Sorry. You can see in the video that S Note only responds to non-pen touch when I make contact with the display with more than two points.

I see in your video your palm movement indeed does not induce the same Zooming that I have experienced.
I suspect this is because your palm is only contacting the screen at one point.
The way you have learnt to hold your pen, only the back of your palm (near the wrists) rests on the screen.
For many of us, the whole side blade of our palm rests on the screen, therefore presents many more Points of Contact resulting in misinterpreted Zoom behavior.

Mmmh! You could clearly see the issue at ~16 seconds with the zoom (top right) starting to do its crazy thing... nice bit of palm re-adjusting in an attempt to hide it :laugh:
Whilst the scroll bar is a good addition, they borked palm rejection! They could of integrated the pen button for zooming, scrolling, pen only and full screen.

I also have a bug which must be solved quickly!
When I use form recognition for drawing schema, SNote often deletes previous forms and I can't use the revert feature.
Any other similar experience?

Im really not sure how people are complaining about the new S Note. The old one had a fair number of bugs and limitations. Great new features I noticed are:
- Switch between eraser and pen with pen button -love this
- PDF import actually works and doesn't crash S Note
- Pam rejection mode is gone but new mode does allow for scrolling and zooming which I like.
- New scrollbar is useful
- You can now scroll tops of pages to below the top toolbar. Not being able to do that before was annoying. Eliminates need to hide the toolbar.
- Air view with hovering pen makes for easy scrolling.
- Air view also brings up help tips when hovered over anything in S Note. It also let you expand a folder in the file select screen and you can go right to a note in that file.
Probably even more I may have missed. I think losing the full screen is definitely a fair trade off, especially as several people have mentioned, it's not even as useful anymore. I do agree it would be nice to still have as an option so that you can have a full pad of paper on your screen. But it is definitely not a dealbreaker. With all the new features and bug fixes I think you'd be nuts to downgrade to an older S Note just for that.
And the palm detection??? It's always behaved that way... get used to putting the pen close to the screen before your hand and you won't have problems. It was that way in ICS and it's not hard to get used to. Again having the total palm rejection mode as a second option would be preffered but certainly not a dealbreaker. The new mode also has advantages.
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I can guarantee you that Palm Detection did NOT function in the same way before.
In fact, in 4.0.4, S-Note would not even Zoom unless touch access was enabled.
So there was no chance of miss detection.
All the other features you list are great, but besides the point.
Just because you fed your kid a nice meal of Kraft Dinner does not excuse you from murdering it after.

klau1 said:
Maybe your palm is different than mine and many others. Because when I'm holding the S-PEN, the moment my side palm hits the screen, the Note zooms CRAZILY!!! All over the place.
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I have noticed that if you lift the pen while writing then either the screen zooms or it starts making marks on the page. This is why I have switched to Write app for the notes app with it set to ignore all touch input (still registers the pen touch) and works great. Just wish I could change page background.
Now I really use the pen much more and like it more also.

[Q] Does LG G2 Front Touch Buttons have multi-tasking button?

Hi,
By default, multi-tasking on LG G2 works by holding the home button.
Actually, I love Nexus' buttons because I'm a sucker for multi-tasking and I hate pressing & holding/waiting.
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I was planning on buying Nexus 5, after hating the multi-tasking on my current Samsung S3, but it seems LG G2 is a better choice in terms of battery, screen and also camera.
So my question is, can I put that multi-tasking button on LG G2? Holding & waiting is a deal breaker for me.

Custom rom?

this is not q and a section
but if u root u can probably ad a different button and remap it

You can customize your navigation buttons to some degree on the stock ROM, and I'm pretty sure Recent Apps is one of the buttons you can configure.
Though personally I like Halo))) for multi tasking a lot more. But you will need a custom ROM for that.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.

khaytsus said:
Custom rom?
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Nope. This phone is highly customized and I don't want to lose features.
Also I'm afraid of dealing any kind of invalidated warranty issues. I wouldn't use a custom rom for this phone, instead I'd buy Nexus 5 if that's the case.
maydayind said:
this is not q and a section
but if u root u can probably ad a different button and remap it
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Well the "new thread" page has a "if this is a Question" option, and I chose it. Why is it there otherwise?

Vepaot said:
You can customize your navigation buttons to some degree on the stock ROM, and I'm pretty sure Recent Apps is one of the buttons you can configure.
Though personally I like Halo))) for multi tasking a lot more. But you will need a custom ROM for that.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.
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That customization option of LG G2 is why I asked this question. At this youtu.be/YLS9T2oFsWY?t=25s YouTube Video I see that there's no multi-tasking touch button option. See the attachment #1 here please.
However, on the attachment #2, from this youtu.be/lKUUkGEs5hc?t=59s YouTube Video the guy seems to have multi-tasking button. He commented that he uses "GMD Auto Hide Soft Keys", but I don't know if that app made the multi-tasking button or it can be enabled without a 3rd party app.
I'm still thinking it can't be done without a custom rom. I'd like to know this as certain before buying a phone, so if anyone knows I'd be glad.

Root, install Xposed Framework and buy Xposed G2 premium features. You will then be able to use the Recents button.

Rooting would void the warranty as well, so that's not an option for him.
Unfortunately I don't have a stock ROM to go and test for you. I've got mine all set up the way I want and flashing back would mess up all of my custom notification sounds even with a nandroid backup.
GMD Auto Hide also requires root access, so I think you're boned either way. If you aren't willing to make the modifications to get your device working the way you'd like, then I don't think this is the phone for you. I hope you find one that has the default features you're looking for.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.

There is literally no other way than at least rooting and following my steps. I believe a clean flash will reset the root flag so his warranty will be alright (perhaps also selecting Unroot in SuperSU before clean flashing).

What you see circled in red below is the option button, not multi tasking unfortunately
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metalboy94 said:
There is literally no other way than at least rooting and following my steps. I believe a clean flash will reset the root flag so his warranty will be alright (perhaps also selecting Unroot in SuperSU before clean flashing).
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I believe if you need to root a new model phone at the day one , you shouldn't buy it at all.
My rooting experience
Once I was using HTC Desire, its volume down button was stuck. It wasn't starting up, because volume down button makes it enter the boot menu. It was also rooted and wasn't able to unroot it in any way since it wasn't opening. Even the boot menu was not working because the volume down made the menu continuously select the next item.
Thank god the warranty service replaced the phone entirely. If they would have started it up, the warranty would be probably voided.
And I don't live in U.S., warranty services much more *****y around here. You cannot even return a product after you open the sealed box, even if you opened it in the store. It goes to technical service, gets approved for refunding, takes weeks. Less customer rights around here.
That's why I will never pay hundreds of $$$ to some phone I need to get into risk. Also I don't have time for it. I start rooting the phone, then customizing, then more options, more apps, other roms, it takes too much time. I prefer to use what I buy with a clear head. If it's not for me, I wouldn't buy it. So I'm here to understand if this phone is for me or not. This is how I feel. I believe many of you believe otherwise, but we are not all the same.

I disagree with your opinion, the great thing about Android is that if you can think it, you can do it.
But I understand what you are saying and it is your money and your choice. Ultimately, what makes you happy is the most important thing to consider when making a purchase, and it sounds like this feature is a deal breaker for you.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.

I'm not from the US either, so I am also subject to harsher warranties.
However, what you are requesting is not something ordinary, and definitely not something offered by other manufacturers (everyone uses a preset layout of buttons, the G2 is AFAIK the first phone with a customizable navigation bar out of the box). It is normal that you will have to modify the stock ROM for that, and this kind of customizing is the very heart of Android. If you take risks, you can get amazing results.
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I use Apex launcher and I assign Swipe Up gesture to open the Recent Apps / Multi-tasking function (even without root)..

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metalboy94 said:
I'm not from the US either, so I am also subject to harsher warranties.
However, what you are requesting is not something ordinary, and definitely not something offered by other manufacturers (everyone uses a preset layout of buttons, the G2 is AFAIK the first phone with a customizable navigation bar out of the box). It is normal that you will have to modify the stock ROM for that, and this kind of customizing is the very heart of Android. If you take risks, you can get amazing results.
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I disagree that what I want is not ordinary. LG G2 allows customizing the buttons. They could have easily let users run an app when tapping a custom button (there are apps to show multi-tasking window up) or let users execute a command from a list.
Allowing customization but presenting only a few options is just meaningless.
For example instead of Quick Notes button, or opening notification panel button there putting a search button might help some people, like HTC had in previous phones.
In new models HTC also presents multi-tasking touch button. Again, multi-tasking button is ordinary enough.
For example I could have liked my current Samsung S3 if it allowed me to open multi-tasking window by swiping the menu touch button. But Samsung doesn't present any customization in that area, so I never even searched anything about that on the internet. Most people I know and I prefer to tap Samsung's back button 3-4 times to return to home screen instead of pressing the physical button. Because it is faster to tap the back button, and my phone's home button really needs some pressure to work.
I was amazed when I saw LG offered customization for touch buttons, but disappointed right now because their customization offers only more or less 8 options.
The bottom buttons are the constant and most used user interaction point, I don't understand how manufacturers don't see this.
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I use Apex launcher and I assign Swipe Up gesture to open the Recent Apps / Multi-tasking function (even without root)..
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Hmm, I should try this. This sounds it may work for me. Thanks!

It can be done without a custom ROM by using G2 Xposed. That of course requires root, but who would want to not root? Rooting is amazing!
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Yes. With root.
This is my phone, with stock LG ROM. Rooted and installed G2 Xposed (free version).
Fine if you do not want to root, you can try using LG's (dumb) feature called Slide Aside where you can use 3 fingers to hibernate apps and resume them, similar to recents. It's the dumbest feature I've seen from ANY phone maker, but it's there.
Sent from my LG-D802 using xda app-developers app

An option
How about pressing and holding the home button and when the app list pops select the desired app....

lombak2006 said:
How about pressing and holding the home button and when the app list pops select the desired app....
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I use recent apps button frequently, so holding & waiting is not my first choice. I'm aware of that feature. I hate holding and waiting. My current Samsung S3 is like that too. You hold & wait for things like moving icons, which are not frequently used. I'm addicted to alt+tab on my desktop pc too. I use many apps simultaneously.