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Benchmarks DO Matter!

hi. i have seen people here saying that "Benchmarks prove nothing" and even one of the Senior member saying so.
but what i have experienced after using Note and switching between different ROMS like Rocket Rom v22 and v23, Midnote, CheckRom and Stunner Rom, i have found that Yes the Benchmarks Do matter a lot in terms of just explaining how your phone will perform.
i mean i ran the bencmarks on all of these Roms and i used them all for about 4 to 5 days each, and i found that not all of these give equal results and not all of these are equal.
the Check rom performed the worst among all of these Roms. by the time i installed it, my phone started giving me issues. like the battery issue. whenever i connected the phone to the data cable and either connect to my pc or laptop or even the charger, there would a screen popup saying, battery removed! i did everything i could do to fix this issue but all in vain.
well the best Rom in terms of performance is the Rocket Rom. rocket rom gave me the highest scores and i found it to be the most stable Rom.
Midnote was ok rom. it gave me really good benchmark scores but there were lots of force closes.
i really dont want to talk about the CheckRom. it gave me the lowest scores and it proved to be the most buggy rom i have used, and then came the battery removed issue.
Surprisingly i, the ICS Stunner Rom was the Rom which gave me around 110000 score in the Browser mark in the native browser, but for the rest of the benchmarks it gave me normal scores.
so in my point of view the best rom for note for now is the Rocket rom, but if u want buttery smooth UI and 199% smoothness, go for the ICS Stunner. but the payoff is that u loose the SNote and the screen capture capability which i really love about my note.
hence proved, Benchmark Results Do make a difference!...... These are my own personal results and you may have different results but I thought I would share my findings....

aami.aami said:
hence proved, Benchmark Results Do make a difference!
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Hardly proved! Far from it.
Benchmarks *can* give you an indication of performance, but *nothing* is better than simply trying out different ROMs and making your own objective decision.
Fwiw though, some benchmarks simply aren't worth the time and effort - Quadrant, I'm looking at you!
Regards,
Dave
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I am gonna steal my friend's Chasmodo quote (credits to Chas)
A man without a benchmark is like a camel without electric toothbrush
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Benchmarking could be slightly usefull when comparing different roms though optimalizations that are specifically made to reduce boottime, remove lag or whatever might not show up in te scores.
Using benchmarks to compare phones is definately useless, for example because Android forces you to run apps in the native phone resolution. The Note runs at 1280x800 which means any phone with a similar GPU but lower resolution like the standard 800x480 could synthetically outperform the Note.

Just to throw another point in there I know it can be easily disputed but take for example iOS and windows phone.
Windows phones are limited to single core and they still run smoothly due to optimization.
the latest iPhone 4s has a dual core A5s @ 800mhz, yet it still runs smoothly.
As mentioned above in the thread the only real way is to try out the phone for yourself.

Dude, it's obvious you're no scientist. You haven't proved anything trying to connect benchmark scores with stability and force closes. The only thing a benchmark could indicate is possibly smoothness. It's all about you simply trying different ROMs and finding one that is subjectively working best for you.
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Benchmarks generally test specific capabilities of hardware: arithmetic calculations, GPU performance, etc.
That being the case they are a good yard stick for how the HARDWARE of different devices compare in terms of performance for the most part. Although software and the OS do obviously play their part, the tests are generally targeted at exercising specific aspects of the 'computer' rather than the overall OS.
OS performance is another, much more complex, aspect that benchmarks struggle to cater for. Small changes in benchmark scores between different ROMs is unlikely to tell us much. Somebody who reviews those ROMs and give a fair summary of the overall performance, stability, etc is a much better guide (like the OP, in this case - after a fashion!)

Check Rom is '****ty'?
What utter claptrap. Only proves you have no idea about how to set your phone up properly.
As for the battery issue, really? I've been running checkrom on 3 notes(mine,my wifes and my dads) and never had fcs, battery issues.
Benchmarks are for people like you.

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the Check rom is the Most ****ty Rom i have used among all of these Roms. by the time i installed it, my phone started giving me ****ty issues.
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Yo, Benchmarker, watch your language.
Calling any development '****ty' just showcases your poor manners, egomania and general absence of intelligent thinking.
The devs give you something for free.
You don't like it, move on. And keep shtum about it. That's what people with manners do.
I wish you luck in your future benchmarking endeavors, and hope never to hear about them.

Benchmarks don't prove a ****. But I do it every time I try out a new kernel and waste 5 precious minutes of my life.
By the way, calling Checkrom ****ty was insult of all checkrom devs and ultimately an insult of xda itself, we are here because of all these devs.
You simply could have said it had lowest benchmarks or even it was sub par.
May I hope that next time you will carry general code of conduct and keep your ****ty opinions within your skull ?

chasmodo said:
Yo, Benchmarker, watch your language.
Calling any development '****ty' just showcases your poor manners, egomania and general absence of intelligent thinking.
The devs give you something for free.
You don't like it, move on. And keep shtum about it. That's what people with manners do.
I wish you luck in your future benchmarking endeavors, and hope never to hear about them.
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That's what I'm talking about.
Don't benchmark the OS and mobile, but benchmark your brain that is it capable enough to run that device at its fullest without the need of any score to prove anything.
Just my 2 cents.

aami.aami said:
hence proved, Benchmark Results Do make a difference!
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where have you proved anything? you really are a bit deluded arent you

Benchmark are valuable in terms of relative comparison to the same benchmark.
Benchmark just don't correlate well to real world performance.
IE: Note LTE ATT on speed app runs 15-20 M's, mine runs 7-9 in same location. Same network. Yet download Engadget simultaneously and they're even.

Benchmarks prove nothing.
/wisdom

mfractal said:
Benchmarks prove nothing.
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Benchmarks prove everything.
/wisdumb

Zamboney said:
Dude, it's obvious you're no scientist. You haven't proved anything trying to connect benchmark scores with stability and force closes. The only thing a benchmark could indicate is possibly smoothness. It's all about you simply trying different ROMs and finding one that is subjectively working best for you.
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i really dont understand why some people dont understand what the main point some statement is. its quite simple, nothing scientific and i did not talk about any technicalities. see for your self, the more smoother the ROM is the more better the Hardware of the phone is going with the build of the ROM that's obvious, right? now that would mean more room for the hardware of the phone to be available for better benchmark results.

aami.aami said:
i really dont understand why some people dont understand what the main point some statement is. its quite simple, nothing scientific and i did not talk about any technicalities. see for your self, the more smoother the ROM is the more better the Hardware of the phone is going with the build of the ROM that's obvious, right? now that would mean more room for the hardware of the phone to be available for better benchmark results.
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probably but not necessarily, correlation does not mean causation,
each benchmark result is moreless the weighted average of few or more individual test results - now let's take Quadrant, which is (was?) heavily biased towards 3D graphics performance - how much is that representative of ROM performance under typical (non-gaming) phone usage?
PS.
Benchmarks may matter. Size matters more.
(Anyone telling otherwise is either ashamed or trying to be nice)

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Watch your language....... nothing wrong with arguing about results or subjective findings, but almost all opinions are subjective..... so discuss nicely or we close the thread if flaming starts up
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One thing apple got google and its oem beats. Dont fking look at the hardware and benchmark. Look at the user experience. Not saying ios and iphone is great for the folks who like to tinker. But for a dual core 800mhz iphone4 or ipad2 it sure runs a lot smoother than a note with stock touchwiz or some other launcher. Afterall u r using ur device, ur own judgement should tell u how good the device is not some program score. And there will always room for hardware improvement, but can the software follows? How many app is actually utilizing multi core process?
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put new Kernels you will see big different in benchmark.
From my experience testing roms + kernels I see that benchmarks really nothing
I got with Antutu benchamrk with stock rom and stock kernel about 6900 score
but it was so laggy and battery sucks. atm using Chrack´s rom extra small + speedmod v10 and its perfect no lags good battery life smooth but the benchmark sucked got like 4500. So benchmarks aren't the way to chose a rom otherwise there is no need to test and share experience with people

[REF] bedalus' R&D compendium!

Over my time here in XDA I've built up a few studies on the Nexus S.
Here are the links. There are summaries in each thread in the first and second (and sometimes third) posts of the main findings, but I've done some very quick and minimal overviews here also.
How to build a kernel: this thread
-This post takes you through installing Ubuntu right through to managing git, in order to compile your own kernel, and flash it in CWM recovery!
-Includes the tools you need to add MTP capabilities to your kernel.
User eXperience Benchmarks: this thread
-This shows which ROM and kernel threads have the best user feedback. The feedback is processed by an external sentiment analysis API. It is only meant as a rough guide, something of a quick reference particularly if you are looking for a new ROM to try. As of June 2012 this is no longer maintained.
All ICS ROM Benchmarks: this thread
-Freely available benchmark programs were used to determine which ROMs had the best performance. Generally the difference between the best ones is very small.
Battery Drain Benchmarks: this thread
-A collection of tips for getting the best battery life, and dispelling some myths.
Kernel Features and Benchmarks: this thread
-My original study, the one that started it all, the kernel benchmarks! Provides a quick table to compare which kernels perform best in CPU/RAM/IO/Database/Graphics.
CPU Governors and I/O Schedulers: this thread
-A study done to find which schedulers perform best in combination with the most popular governors. My two favourites (ondemand and smartassV2) combine best with noop.
Power Saving Governors: this thread
-A meta study done combining the findings from the battery study and governor study to show which governors will save the most power. Ondemand comes out significantly better than conservative, which surprised me. SmartassV2 is the best compromise for high performance and efficiency.
Does SuperCharging work?: this thread
-This was just a short study to find out if this script is suitable for the Nexus S, but it turned out it had no effect, positive or negative.
Kernel Memory Allocators: this thread
-This is another short study for kernel developers to show that SLUB performs best.

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This thread is just an index. Our new mod veyka agreed would be a good idea to summarise all my studies for addition into the sticky roundup.
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EDIT: Feel free to suggest any new things that I might be able to test!

im out of thanks for today.. but, awesome work regardless. thank you

simms22 said:
im out of thanks for today.. but, awesome work regardless. thank you
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Me too, but thank you too!
Edit: ah just use the app, unlimited thanks!

bedalus said:
Me too, but thank you too!
Edit: ah just use the app, unlimited thanks!
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really? unlimited? i dont use the app though, just the browser.

Uh, well, I haven't tested the limit... but I never get denied!

All your work was great I battery drain thread was very helpful
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Thanks for all your hard work.

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Oodie said:
IF , one of my assassins had done their job ..........
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When they finally come for me, I will benchmark their performance.

bedalus said:
When they finally come for me, I will benchmark their performance.
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nice answer
And nice guide for your very instructive benchmarks bedalus

Even when browsing through the app you'd still get that annoying thanks limit.
This is a really good overview for new NS users. (I doubt there are ever some since mostly would go directly for G-Nex)
What's next?
That "Oodie's Assassins' Performance Benchmark" sounds interesting, though.
PS: @Oodie, you should have kanged your assassins before sending them to bedalus' compound. That way, your assassins' would have at least injured bedalus

UPDATE: Memory Allocators studied. SLUB wins!

Great reference for a refresher or for a new comer. Really like the battery drain benchmarks and how you discuss some myths. Governors is great...love Smartass V2 with Matrix V20!!
Thanks @bedalus!! Totally deserves a sticky.
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Thanks. It's in the sticky roundup!

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Thanks. It's in the sticky roundup!
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Can we vote for the sticky or it is just for the moderators?

There was like ten stickies, I think veyka wants to keep everything in a list in one sticky.
I appreciate the sentiment though!

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There was like ten stickies, I think veyka wants to keep everything in a list in one sticky.
I appreciate the sentiment though!
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thank you for all your work, love your kernels ... currently been using deadline/ondemand but since you say it is not best I will try smartassv2+noop.. (I've found smartass with other combinations give me a lot of lag)

BLaZeDRas said:
thank you for all your work, love your kernels ... currently been using deadline/ondemand but since you say it is not best I will try smartassv2+noop.. (I've found smartass with other combinations give me a lot of lag)
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Ondemand for good balance between performance and battery saving. Smartassv2 for gaming. CFQ and deadline are the best governors, but deadline probably has the edge.

Thanks! Now this widens my perspective on choosing my own Governor and Scheduler Combo.

The Best Kernel

Here is the best kernel for stock based x10 roms.
n5-1 http://www.mediafire.com/?z8voe760ok24doy
ALL THANKS TO THJAP
You don't know what you've been missing! This is for locked bootloaders so flash it with xrecovery. For unlocked bootloaders flash baseband .71 with flashtool first which also gives you the stock kernel. Then you can flash this kernel through recovery.
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Features?

Farik335 said:
Features?
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Im not even sure whats different about this one over others. All I know is its way better than any other I've tryed.
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There is no such thing as a "Best kernel"! it grealty depends on what rom you're using, which settings you apply, ram, number of apps, cpu frequencies, governors and i/o scheduler. It also greatly differs per phone!!!!!

This one doesnt work on jaf rom!
It makes my phone to stuck at bootscreen!
And after flashing back to dooms kernel,everything is lagging,so i had to restore a backup!really a great kernel!

After flashing this My phone speed is like flashing the new Adreno ICS Driver its really slow

OK OK OK
I know benchmarks don't mean anything to you guys.
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JeffreyPiket said:
Read this and weep!!!!!
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Man. I thought that would spark a reaction.
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tonyreimer said:
OK OK OK
I know benchmarks don't mean anything to you guys.
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Read it and weep!!!!!
Dani897 said:
benchmarks are basically useless to the end user. fun to compare but dont think about it too much. a benchmark like quadrant can show a low score based on one area of poor performance but there is no guarantee that that will cause a bottleneck for data. it can also generate a high score based on one area and there is no proof that it is benificial. for instance we use voodoo lagfix that increases filesystem io according to the method quadrant usses to measure it by a fairly significant amount. it has never been proven to reduce hesitation of the phone outside of perception of the user, it is a good mod and i dont knock it im just trying to be objective. the thing is that data goes throught many componants and is held in ram and cached on the cpu, as long as the useage is light the file system performance is barely an issue because there are several systems that act as buffers, only when processing long sets of data uninterupted will the certain speeds become a bottleneck.
for a good analogy it is like drinking through a straw vs drinking through a hose vs drinking through a 1ft diameter pipe. the straw may slow the speed you can drink while the hose will not, but the pipe can supply much more water yet it is of no benifit to the person drinking because he can only drink so fast.
add cacheing into the analogy and it is like filling a glass through a straw a pipe and a hose. the glass can supply the person drinking as fast as they need it, but only holds so much liquid, it is enough in for on person but if several people want to drink (multi tasking or heavy usage) the staw will be a bottle neck, the hose will not and the pipe though overkill may make things marginally faster. now if there is alot of caheing it may be more like filling buckets and then the pipe may help but only when there is an enormous amount of data being used and in that case it needs to be processed just as fast, this is when the cpu can become a bottle neck.
it is very difficult to write a benchmark that can take this into account so it is hard to tell the usefullness of the data the benchmark gives you without reading the results of the individual tests it performs and making judgment calls.
we can increase our benchmark scores for filesystem by changing the filesystem to ext4, and even better by going with nilfs or nilfs2. we can increase sequencial reads by increasing readahead but that reduces random performance and waists resources. it all becomes a big balancing act and the end results can vary.
there are also ways to change the ram timing, the dalvik cache heap size, alter the ram disks, we can make the rom smaller and remove stock apps that are not needed, turn off background services that use resources, change polling frequencies to save resources, change governors to ramp up faster, alter and compile drivers for more efficient use of hardware, and a long list of other things. some work extremely well, some don't. some will make the phone snappier and have no effect on benchmarks, some will greatly increase benchmarks and not the feel of the phone.
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:highfive:

Check out the 2d and 3d on the bottom of the top screen shot. I challenge you to get that good on both of them with any other kernel on our old x10.
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tonyreimer said:
Check out the 2d and 3d on the bottom of the top screen shot. I challenge you to get that good on both of them with any other kernel on our old x10.
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No Comment... don't feel offended.. but
Did you read anything from the text Jeffrey posted?
You, well not you, but any good Dev can tweak a kernel and rom, to be good in Benchmarks.. while the general User Experience just plain sucks..
And to be honest, almost every ICS Rom with a somewhat decent optimized Kernel, has more 2D and 3D points than your screenshot.. i don't even need to post proof. it's a fact, even with the Xperia X10.
And there is no such thing as a best kernel...
Depending on the user, every Kernel has it dis-/advantages..
And thats why i think it's good for your ROM to support multiple Kernels, a thing many dev's are still missing, because when you have multiple Kernels, every user can use the Kernel best suited for his needs.

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No Comment... don't feel offended.. but
Did you read anything from the text Jeffrey posted?
You, well not you, but any good Dev can tweak a kernel and rom, to be good in Benchmarks.. while the general User Experience just plain sucks..
And to be honest, almost every ICS Rom with a somewhat decent optimized Kernel, has more 2D and 3D points than your screenshot.. i don't even need to post proof. it's a fact, even with the Xperia X10.
And there is no such thing as a best kernel...
Depending on the user, every Kernel has it dis-/advantages..
And thats why i think it's good for your ROM to support multiple Kernels, a thing many dev's are still missing, because when you have multiple Kernels, every user can use the Kernel best suited for his needs.
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Ya, I read it. I haven't tryed ics yet cause i use my phone as my internet connection. OK thats fine. I don't really care if not anyone else uses this kernel but as for me its the best one I've ever had. Peace
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:silly: That's all!

etedeni fhall
JeffreyPiket said:
There is no such thing as a "Best kernel"! it grealty depends on what rom you're using, which settings you apply, ram, number of apps, cpu frequencies, governors and i/o scheduler. It also greatly differs per phone!!!!!
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Totally agree with this post

Best Kernel out there?

which kernel out there is the best right now? in battery life and speed

theres only one that fits best battery and fastest.. trinity kernel.

I like Trinity but Motley also did very well for me.
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simms22 said:
theres only that fits best battery and fastest.. trinity kernel.
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This^ look at it this way. The nexus allready has great performance, it will handle any game you throw at it. (Unless not optimized for tegra 3) so wht else do you need? A kernel that gives amazing battery life. And what kernel is that..... \l/ TRINITY \l/
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TRINITY without a doubt!!! Fast as hell and almost unbelievable battery life!
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Trinity IMHO....
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battery right now..
speed..

Ill say motley. I tried trinity kernel. Its good. But I getbetter performance,stability, and battery life with motley. All these battery screen shots really mean nothing. Why? Because none show real heavy use. I can easily get the same stats or better with light to moderate use. Show me some stats showing 8-10+ hrs of screen on time. With some heavy app or game usge. Anyone can use device for a few hours. Then leave it in deep sleep and show the same or better stats.
I've tried all the kernels out so far. They are all good. Its a matter of personal preference of features you want. Some pack things others don't. MOTLEY 'S ATM is the only linaro based kernel. So its using new additions/components. Better optimized. Benchmarks are cool but its real world performance that matters most.
I'm running stock rom with motley latest linaro based kernel with Zram, then CPU overclock @ 1.624ghz and gpu overclock @ 520mhz. I'm also undervolted -75mV across the board. So my temps stay low. Which equates to my device running at a higher performance speed longer.
The best thing about stock rom is I can measly flash different kernels and not have to worry about flashing a rom and setting my apps n all THST all over again. I can flash a kernel with no wipes and be good. Plus stock rom is the most stable ATM. Can't lie though, I am anxious to flash some roms. THST paranoid Android one looks really good. Along with the pure linaro based rom. That's the great thing about choices.
Its not a matter of who has the best kernel. Its more about what you looking for in features and personalizing your device to cater to our needs.
Asking who has the best kernel is like asking who is the best developer on xda. I don't think that's fair to the developers as they ALL work hard on roms or kernels. Forget the popularity contests.
THEY ALL THE BEST lol. Some are just more seasoned than others. Which is OK. I love the fact we have variety of things to choose from. I've been impressed with trinity kernel, based on scores I've been seeing. But I'm also impressed with faux kernel and its a more straight forward one with lots of new Linux commits and additions. All the kernels have a personality of their own. I love the fact that twrp makes it very easy n simple to try out any kernel I want for nexus7. No matter who makes it. Every developer has its followers. You also have people who like to try out different setups.
Choice is a good thing! That's what I love about Android.

I've got to say for me trinity is the best kernel for the Nexus 7, updated daily and great communication with the dev makes this an awesome kernel. The trinity toolbox app is the icing on the cake.

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Ill say motley. I tried trinity kernel. Its good. But I getbetter performance,stability, and battery life with motley. All these battery screen shots really mean nothing. Why? Because none show real heavy use. I can easily get the same stats or better with light to moderate use. Show me some stats showing 8-10+ hrs of screen on time. With some heavy app or game usge. Anyone can use device for a few hours. Then leave it in deep sleep and show the same or better stats.
I've tried all the kernels out so far. They are all good. Its a matter of personal preference of features you want. Some pack things others don't. MOTLEY 'S ATM is the only linaro based kernel. So its using new additions/components. Better optimized. Benchmarks are cool but its real world performance that matters most.
I'm running stock rom with motley latest linaro based kernel with Zram, then CPU overclock @ 1.624ghz and gpu overclock @ 520mhz. I'm also undervolted -75mV across the board. So my temps stay low. Which equates to my device running at a higher performance speed longer.
The best thing about stock rom is I can measly flash different kernels and not have to worry about flashing a rom and setting my apps n all THST all over again. I can flash a kernel with no wipes and be good. Plus stock rom is the most stable ATM. Can't lie though, I am anxious to flash some roms. THST paranoid Android one looks really good. Along with the pure linaro based rom. That's the great thing about choices.
Its not a matter of who has the best kernel. Its more about what you looking for in features and personalizing your device to cater to our needs.
Asking who has the best kernel is like asking who is the best developer on xda. I don't think that's fair to the developers as they ALL work hard on roms or kernels. Forget the popularity contests.
THEY ALL THE BEST lol. Some are just more seasoned than others. Which is OK. I love the fact we have variety of things to choose from. I've been impressed with trinity kernel, based on scores I've been seeing. But I'm also impressed with faux kernel and its a more straight forward one with lots of new Linux commits and additions. All the kernels have a personality of their own. I love the fact that twrp makes it very easy n simple to try out any kernel I want for nexus7. No matter who makes it. Every developer has its followers. You also have people who like to try out different setups.
Choice is a good thing! That's what I love about Android.
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1. trinity kernel has been using linaro since april of 2011, on the nexus s, the gnex, and now the nexus 7.
2. zram is a placibo. theres nothing there
3. stock rom is good, but i prefer a pure aosp build. no, they are not the same.
4. and the last two paragraphs are the absolute truth.
5. really, you should try them all, let your device tell you which kernel it likes the best

simms22 said:
1. trinity kernel has been using linaro since april of 2011, on the nexus s, the gnex, and now the nexus 7.
2. zram is a placibo. theres nothing there
3. stock rom is good, but i prefer a pure aosp build. no, they are not the same.
4. and the last two paragraphs are the absolute truth.
5. really, you should try them all, let your device tell you which kernel it likes the best
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Thing with zram is, its not for getting higher benchmark scores or immediate performance. Its more so for heavy multitasking. Is been proven to help. The placebo is on people who think its supposed to provide some immediate result. If someone is a heavy multitasker on their device, then zram would benefit them. If you not much of a multitasker, then zram will show no Bendix for you.
You are right though, about trying out different kernels and such. Pure aosp rom sounds good. I just hate having to reset up my apps n stuff. I know titanium good for that but me personally, I'm waiting for roms to mature more and have most things, of not everything working. All roms so far seem to have something not working yet. Which is fine. Nature of the beast.
I think I might give trinity kernel another try. I did buy the tkt app. But never used it in conjunction with the kernel. I bought it just for the automatic script it runs..lol plus to show support. I heard tkt app works best with trinity kernel plus allows you to tweak features only in trinity kernel.
Ill download the latest build Trinity has and see what's up. Performance and better battery life is always a good thing. Its gpu is overclocked to 520mhz also?

Trinity HANDS DOWN its been 3 hours on sleep and ITS still at 100%! + the ridiculous speed along with the power saving features. I may be new to the Nexus 7 scene but this is hands down to godly .

demandarin said:
Thing with zram is, its not for getting higher benchmark scores or immediate performance. Its more so for heavy multitasking. Is been proven to help. The placebo is on people who think its supposed to provide some immediate result. If someone is a heavy multitasker on their device, then zram would benefit them. If you not much of a multitasker, then zram will show no Bendix for you.
You are right though, about trying out different kernels and such. Pure aosp rom sounds good. I just hate having to reset up my apps n stuff. I know titanium good for that but me personally, I'm waiting for roms to mature more and have most things, of not everything working. All roms so far seem to have something not working yet. Which is fine. Nature of the beast.
I think I might give trinity kernel another try. I did buy the tkt app. But never used it in conjunction with the kernel. I bought it just for the automatic script it runs..lol plus to show support. I heard tkt app works best with trinity kernel plus allows you to tweak features only in trinity kernel.
Ill download the latest build Trinity has and see what's up. Performance and better battery life is always a good thing. Its gpu is overclocked to 520mhz also?
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im not sure if gpus oc...but when u underclock..theres absolutely no performance difference..and saves battery too! 102mhz-1100mhz on demand/deadline..god like battery life. 4 hours screen time...still 45% left...shouldve been more if i didnt flash roms in between battery life. also under clocked, gta 3 and cs portable runs great and smooth still.

thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.

so it doesnt matter if trinity is still in experimental? its that good? i guess ill try that one out

demandarin said:
thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
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there are more features that are going to be added, theyre being added all the time. ask gnex owners how the options grew(same app btw, different devices running trinity see different features in the app. so you purchase it once, and use it on multi devices. btw, voltage adjustment will be added, remember how new development is on the n7. also, if other developers added the options into their kernels, theyed be able to use those features with their kernels
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so it doesnt matter if trinity is still in experimental? its that good? i guess ill try that one out
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thats just trinitys method of rotating the kernels.. starts off in experimental(every kernel is tested to boot and run before it every appears here), then it graduates to prerelease if it makes the cut, and then if you guys like it it makes its way to release. its just that trinity development is so new here that there isnt a prerelease yet

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im not sure if gpus oc...but when u underclock..theres absolutely no performance difference..and saves battery too! 102mhz-1100mhz on demand/deadline..god like battery life. 4 hours screen time...still 45% left...shouldve been more if i didnt flash roms in between battery life. also under clocked, gta 3 and cs portable runs great and smooth still.
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I've underclocked mines to 1.1ghz also. battery doesn't want to budge from 100% so far..lol. it's barley sipping battery. the UI and browser is fluid n smooth at this underclock. which is a good thing. the real test will come once I play nova3 shortly. if it plays lag free on this lower speed then underclocking is a winner. I set my governor to interactive though. you get better battery life than ondemand. using deadline also. with fsync set to faster.
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there are more features that are going to be added, theyre being added all the time. ask gnex owners how the options grew(same app btw, different devices running trinity see different features in the app. so you purchase it once, and use it on multi devices. btw, voltage adjustment will be added, remember how new development is on the n7. also, if other developers added the options into their kernels, theyed be able to use those features with their kernels
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thats just trinitys method of rotating the kernels.. starts off in experimental(every kernel is tested to boot and run before it every appears here), then it graduates to prerelease if it makes the cut, and then if you guys like it it makes its way to release. its just that trinity development is so new here that there isnt a prerelease yet
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I understand nexus 7 is still infancy, developement wise. its cool. just wondering if those features were included since the option disappeared. I could undervolt or increase voltage on motley kernel. the tkt app would let me do it on THST kernel as the section shows for it. but I like using system tuner for undervolting when I was on motleys kernel. can't wait to see what new features get added. plus once I get my new phone, hopefully there'll be a trinity kernel out for it so I can use tkt app with it. the build is very good.

demandarin said:
thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
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Interesting, 70-80fps, more than the panel.
You were interested in battery in an earlier post, this is me feeling meh and couching most of Sunday.
EDIT: Yes, emailing, tapatalk, browsing for laptop and not finding any, reading news in Pulse and flipboard, tweetcaster and testing slice(s?), gtalk, not heavy usage obviously. Screen wasn't on unless The Seven was used though.
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Interesting, 70-80fps, more than the panel.
You were interested in battery in an earlier post, this is me feeling meh and couching most of Sunday.
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what is this?? 7hrs screen time and 30%??

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what is this?? 7hrs screen time and 30%??
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Expect no less.

Having your cake and eating it too

Most of life is a choice between one or the other but with the Nexus 7 along with Root, Custom Recovery, cm10.2 unofficial, Faux Clock Kernel Control App and Jassy Release 5 Kernel it might just be possible to have both. Jassy has managed to put together a kernel that combines a 1.9 GHz over clock and a 487 MHz GPU over clock. With a global undervolt of -24 MV I managed to pull off stunning benchmarks, smooth lag free performance and incredible battery time. Just under 13 hours battery time in fact. I did this with a YouTube kung fu movie fest for about 12 and a half hours and a half hour of benchmarks and downloading a few apps. Remember if you game you can not expect this kind of battery performance but it does do great at that as well. I've attached some screenshots of my settings so you can reproduce these results if you would like.
Remember when you Root, ROM and Over clock you do it at your own risk and please thank the fine Developers who gave their time to make this kind of fantasy possible. I in no way had a hand in developing this software, I just took the time to do many benches and battery tests on many Roms and kernels then undervolted a bit.
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Nice, will have to check this out
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So to replicate your results, we need to flash cyagen, and jassy release 5, and then adjust the settings to replicate yours, or does jassy's release already have some of those settings in it?
What other apps did you download?
Getting longer battery life and a faster tablet is quite attractive!
EDIT I just installed jassy r5, and my quadrant is only 5679.. is something wrong, or do I need to also do the tweaks you listed here first?
EDIT 2: I've set faux to the same setting now, but am still using cleanroom1.3, and the quadrant results are 6787

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So to replicate your results, we need to flash cyagen, and jassy release 5, and then adjust the settings to replicate yours, or does jassy's release already have some of those settings in it?
What other apps did you download?
Getting longer battery life and a faster tablet is quite attractive!
EDIT I just installed jassy r5, and my quadrant is only 5679.. is something wrong, or do I need to also do the tweaks you listed here first?
EDIT 2: I've set faux to the same setting now, but am still using cleanroom1.3, and the quadrant results are 6787
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Sorry I never saw your posts. Never looked at the thread again. To replicate my results you would have to download cm10.2 and Jassy release 5 and faux kernel control app paid version and set exactly like in the screen shots. I have since made a few more refinements but nothing you couldn't play with yourself. Make sure you enable mpdecision. Make every screen look like mine.

Fiops as I/o and 62c 82c as intellithermal is the only settings changed. Bout 7 hours of YouTube and 5 hours of heavy browsing. Couldn't ask for better battery life. NO Gaming.
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Yep, I did duplicate them, but couldn't get quadrant scores anywhere near yours. (they were better though.. it might be a cleanroom issue).
I upgraded to Jassy rev 6, ran into issues, and then just reflashed the stock kernel.
I was hoping we'd see Jassy rev 6 lockup issues fixed, but its been a week now. I'm also read of a few misc cm issues, and I'e been waiting for them to clear up as well. Cleanrom isn't having any issues at all, so I've stuck with it for now.

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Fiops as I/o and 62c 82c as intellithermal is the only settings changed. Bout 7 hours of YouTube and 5 hours of heavy browsing. Couldn't ask for better battery life. NO Gaming.
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How's stability with your set-up?

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Yep, I did duplicate them, but couldn't get quadrant scores anywhere near yours. (they were better though.. it might be a cleanroom issue).
I upgraded to Jassy rev 6, ran into issues, and then just reflashed the stock kernel.
I was hoping we'd see Jassy rev 6 lockup issues fixed, but its been a week now. I'm also read of a few misc cm issues, and I'e been waiting for them to clear up as well. Cleanrom isn't having any issues at all, so I've stuck with it for now.
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Cleanrom will not bench as high. Its a stock based ROM. Truth is though once your this high your not gonna see a whole lot of improvement in daily performance unless you go looking for it. Cleanrom is one of the best Roms I've ever used and there is absolutely nothing wrong with sticking with it. I go back and forth between the 2 myself. As themes and tweaks come out for nexus 7 2013 you'll find cleanrom will get even better than it is now also. Wish someone would do a tablet ui lol.

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How's stability with your set-up?
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I haven't had a single random reboot. Chrome works real well as long as you can change it from beta in lower left of xda page. I haven't overheated but I gotta tell you I'm no hardcore android gamer. Some angry birds from time to time or subway surfers lol. I have probably gamed for about an hour or so on these settings and not gone into a state of panic about temps though. Any longer than that or some other game and I couldn't say. in fact FOR me things are so smooth on this machine I had to order a new HP to tinker with lol. Seriously this is the best android machine I've owned. And buddy, I've had em all. I also use adaway so that may help with chrome as well.

Impressive scores man.
Yeah hesitant to jump to other roms myself at least at this time. Everything is so new finding a "good one" is hard to do at least yet. Though I've used CleanROM's on other devices I've had in the past and love them. Personally if CleanROM comes out with a 1.4 I might consider jumping into it.

Thanks for sharing! My only suggestion would be for you to recommend another kernel tuning app other than Faux's app. I'm just personally not a fan of someone who does nothing but kang, and even then still doesn't credit who he is kanging from. Too many hard working honest developers for me to support a faux developer (yes, pun intended. Maybe that's where the screen name came from?).
Just my $0.02.…
EDIT : For anyone questioning the integrity of my comment, just do some research and you'll see what I'm saying
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Thanks for sharing! My only suggestion would be for you to recommend another kernel tuning app other than Faux's app. I'm just personally not a fan of someone who does nothing but kang, and even then still doesn't credit who he is kanging from. Too many hard working honest developers for me to support a faux developer (yes, pun intended. Maybe that's where the screen name came from?).
Just my $0.02.…
EDIT : For anyone questioning the integrity of my comment, just do some research and you'll see what I'm saying
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I have absolutely No interest in politics on my nexus 7 2013. if he did wrong, shame on him however I have tried each and every kernel control app on the market and reported my best results. I have yet to produce scores or battery life comparable even within 10% of fauxclock/Jassy R5 combo. I do not intend to do any research at all about whatever faux123 did or didn't do. I understand a personal grudge and respect your right to hold one. If your looking for something as close as you can get to his kernel control app try trickster. I didn't have a lot of success with it but you might find a combination that works close. If I were in the middle of whatever happened between faux123 and you or whoever I might have formulated an opinion. I'm not chiding you either. You brought an issue before me and I am simply stating I don't want involved as its in my humble opinion not my place or my fight, not to mention it appears it was already fought.
if I simply hated and didn't use a product based on someone else I don't know having a problem with that individual I wouldn't be able to buy anything, at all, anywhere, on earth, or in heaven, ever! If you tell me he harmed a baby and I see he was convicted of it in a trial of his peer's elected in a fair and balanced environment I will most certainly NOT have anything to do with him. But unproven or conflicting information, that may be due to personal interpretations is difficult for me to get involved in. Especially after the fact. And then there is the whole, if a man was punished for his crime do you continue to persecute him after he paid his dues thing.

Are there any deal breaking issues in CM? If not, switching does not bother me at all, and getting better all over performance is worth while.
I just don't want to spend more time tinkering with my tablet than actually using it.

What's your binning?

appreciate you sharing your jassy 5 set up with the fauxclock app. im on jassy 5 as well and have been running the setup that jassy posted but now im gonna try your set up. i just got one question about it: how is your sleep mode stand by time? i lose 1-2% in 8 hours

Gareee said:
Are there any deal breaking issues in CM? If not, switching does not bother me at all, and getting better all over performance is worth while.
I just don't want to spend more time tinkering with my tablet than actually using it.
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I personally would call the current cm build almost RC material. I have no problems with it at all.
My bin was 14/2 if I'm not mistaken.
I probably lose a bit less than that but can't say for certain as I constantly use it lmao. I do get exceptional screen on time really. There are some screen shots on previous page I think.

Cool. Might have to take the plunge. Do you have to wipe to install it? (I didn't have to wipe for cleanrom.)

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Cool. Might have to take the plunge. Do you have to wipe to install it? (I didn't have to wipe for cleanrom.)
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You have to wipe on a first install.

conan1600 said:
You have to wipe on a first install.
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Ugh.