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So whenever Sprint pushes its 2.1 update, will those of us with rooted heroes and custom roms have to unroot in order to receive the update? Or will we have to wait for the custom roms to support 2.1?
Just wondering, because I really want and like 2.1 but I don't want to wipe my data.
More than likely the debate here will have a 2.1 build that's fully functional long before Sprint pushes one but even if they don't after it. Gets pushed out the debate here will have one that supports root. If you ruu and take the ota update it may correct the security exploit that was used to root so you would have to wait until someone found a way to root it again.
Be pacient we have great devs on here it will only be a matter of time.
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basically, wait until we have a ROM here to upgrade, don't get OTA if you want to keep root access. You might not be able to get it back
Source code released yesterday, so won't be much longer.
bye the time sprint pushes an update, there will be 3 other android phones to chose from.
edit: new android phones at sprint i mean
Yeah, Sprint sucks with updates being released in a timely manner. With my bberry, I was always using other carriers to update.
So I guess the consensus is to wait for our devs to get a full 2.1 rom working rather than unrooting and upgrading ota.
When the new dev roms come out, I was also wondering if I could save all my data, or how i could save all my data if a wipe was required.
If your phone is rooted, I would recommend an app from the market called "Backup for Root Users".
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If your phone is rooted, I would recommend an app from the market called "Backup for Root Users".
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Thanks. I'll try that. Do you have any experience using it with one of the dev roms that need wipes? I am considering switching from modaco 2.0 to the aosp 2.1 but my concern was getting all my data back.
Ya it works. After you restore everything, you need to hard restart the phone (SEND+MENU+END) or it will be real slow until you do hard reset it.
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So I guess the consensus is to wait for our devs to get a full 2.1 rom working rather than unrooting and upgrading ota.
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There will be a fully functional 2.1 rom here waaaaaaaaaaay before Sprint releases a 2.1 ota
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If your phone is rooted, I would recommend an app from the market called "Backup for Root Users".
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Maybe there's a special way to do it, or maybe you don't backup everything, but Backup for Root Users totally effed up my restore when I moved from Fresh 1.1 to Modaco 2.0.
Actually, I tried Backup for Root Users, Astro File Manager, Titanium Backup, all of them sucked. (even after a fresh wipe of course)
I finally went back to my Fresh nandroid backup because I was getting so many FC's.
Maybe it was because it copied the APK's + "System Data" that did it, but it certainly didn't work, not smoothly anyway. :/
I've never had issues with Backup for Root Users. It takes time to restore everything & it is highly recommended that you hard reset your phone it it is finished restoring.
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Maybe there's a special way to do it, or maybe you don't backup everything, but Backup for Root Users totally effed up my restore when I moved from Fresh 1.1 to Modaco 2.0.
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I've moved from Fresh to MoDaCo without wiping and it has worked just fine.
I have a backup made from Fresh, and I am planning on flashing AOSP 2.1 soon. I'll try the restore tool and tell you how it works. If it doesn't...That's what nandroid backups are for.
I have a question related to this topic. I have a rooted Hero with TTG 1.6 ROM running. Seems like right now, if I wanted to switch to a different ROM like Fresh, all I ever needed to do is copy the zip file to the SD root, reboot while holding the Home button down, and select "Install from .zip" or however it's phrased. When a new 2.1 ROM comes out, would it be that simple, or would there be more steps involved since the ROM isn't based on the current 1.5?
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I've moved from Fresh to MoDaCo without wiping and it has worked just fine.
I have a backup made from Fresh, and I am planning on flashing AOSP 2.1 soon. I'll try the restore tool and tell you how it works. If it doesn't...That's what nandroid backups are for.
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I tried it and im getting FCs all over the place. Back to Fresh and MoDaCo 2.0 for now.
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I have a question related to this topic. I have a rooted Hero with TTG 1.6 ROM running. Seems like right now, if I wanted to switch to a different ROM like Fresh, all I ever needed to do is copy the zip file to the SD root, reboot while holding the Home button down, and select "Install from .zip" or however it's phrased. When a new 2.1 ROM comes out, would it be that simple, or would there be more steps involved since the ROM isn't based on the current 1.5?
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A factory wipe would probably be required (Not the RUU though)
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Maybe there's a special way to do it, or maybe you don't backup everything, but Backup for Root Users totally effed up my restore when I moved from Fresh 1.1 to Modaco 2.0.
Actually, I tried Backup for Root Users, Astro File Manager, Titanium Backup, all of them sucked. (even after a fresh wipe of course)
I finally went back to my Fresh nandroid backup because I was getting so many FC's.
Maybe it was because it copied the APK's + "System Data" that did it, but it certainly didn't work, not smoothly anyway. :/
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I never had any luck with backup for root users, it worked on apps but not on anything else. Finally, I bought reware mybackup. It works awesome, restores everything.
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I tried it and im getting FCs all over the place. Back to Fresh and MoDaCo 2.0 for now.
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Could be the whole number of apps issue.
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Could be the whole number of apps issue.
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How many apps does it support? Or is it even that? How much is the reware mybackup software? Do you have a link for it? And will it only work on rooted phones or can the backups be transferred to unrooted ones as well?
hi, and thanks for reading this. If the newest sprint update, DI18?, ever gets released, I am afraid I will not get it. I removed some system apps and I guess the update needs to see those. Thinking I knew what I was doing, here is what I did.
Rooted my Epic.
with titanium i backed up media hub, sprint nav, and nascar. I then removed them.
I saw I needed them so I thought I would restore.
I guess titanium can't restore system apk's?
I start looking for those apk's and only find media hub.
I install media hub, epic says i already have it which i sort of don't really.
media hub is back, and thats where I am at.
I hope that makes sense? I will never use media hub, but I want the epic to be like it was right after root, so I can easily get the next, and future, updates.
thanks
I know someone has posted a link to download all of the stock apps... unfortunately I can't find it! Anyone know where that is?
I personally hate Titanium Backup because I can never figure out what it's doing. The backup function has done the same thing to me - you backup an app, then you think you're deleting the system app and can restore from a backup, but you can't. It's so weird. I would recommend either buying Root Explorer (~$3) or trying out the SDX Stock App Removal (free). You can also use adb push to put the system apps in your /system/app directory. But you still need the apps.
Did you try remounting as rw first?
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EDIT: see Firon's post below (#8) it will take care of any modifications you've made as long as you have a stock (odexed) ROM, it won't even mess up recovery or kernel!
thank you all. I will play around with it.
according to titanium everything that was gone is back, except "com.sdgtl.stamhubb" no idea what that is. a google search came back with only a couple hits. Others have removed it, not noticing anything. I do not recall removing that myself.
That's a program name not the APK name... try updating if you're ready and see if it will get past verification... if not see if you can find the APK name and follow the same procedure you did with others.
Here's a signed update that will not trash your recovery, kernel, or root. You do not need a stock kernel for this update.
It will restore only the required stock files/apps and update your modem, so as long as you're on DI07, it should successfully update.
I tested it already on my own phone, worked great.
http://firon.net/xda/SPH-D700-DI07toDI18.signed.zip
This way you don't need to restore a bunch of random files to update.
I appear to be all good. thanks everyone.
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Here's a signed update that will not trash your recovery, kernel, or root. You do not need a stock kernel for this update.
It will restore only the required stock files/apps and update your modem, so as long as you're on DI07, it should successfully update.
I tested it already on my own phone, worked great.
snip /SPH-D700-DI07toDI18.signed.zip
This way you don't need to restore a bunch of random files to update.
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Hello,
The procedure for using this is to copy this to the SD card, rename update.zip, boot into recovery mode, select "apply sdcard:update.zip", correct? Or am I missing a step?
When I attempt this, I get a "E:signature verification failed Installation aborted." error.
Would appreciate any suggestions before I resort to flashing to stock. Thank you!
I am getting a
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Hello,
The procedure for using this is to copy this to the SD card, rename update.zip, boot into recovery mode, select "apply sdcard:update.zip", correct? Or am I missing a step?
When I attempt this, I get a "E:signature verification failed Installation aborted." error.
Would appreciate any suggestions before I resort to flashing to stock. Thank you!
I am getting a
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I am also wanting to know how to do this. I got the OTA update yesterday and it failed because I deleted Mail. I would like top know how to manually update to d118 w/out turning my epic into a brick. Any advice would be appreciated.
I believe this requires clockwork recovery not the stock recovery.
Hey I just got my atrix on Thursday and rooted but was reading that the update is supposed to land tomorrow and was just wondering if I need to unroot to install the update.
no, but you will lose root after update
I think you have the webtop hack installed it will mess it up though.
Personally, I won't be updating until I can upgrade and get root, titanium backup, setcpu and webtop onto my phone. Not worth losing all of those.
On a side note: to people who are upgrading and losing root: have any of you guys used Google's built-in app backup? How does it work? Can you force it to reinstall apps, etc.?
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I think you have the webtop hack installed it will mess it up though.
Personally, I won't be updating until I can upgrade and get root, titanium backup, setcpu and webtop onto my phone. Not worth losing all of those.
On a side note: to people who are upgrading and losing root: have any of you guys used Google's built-in app backup? How does it work? Can you force it to reinstall apps, etc.?
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Ya I only rooted and enabled the side loading apps, with the update is there any way to side load apps
Moved as not android development
I am going to reflash and do the base sbf -> aroot -> update procedure again tomorrow to make sure I didnt somehow get a legacy copy of the beta earlier and will post back confirming, but with the beta that method worked for keeping sideloading, been using the amazon market on and off all day.
I simply can't figure this out. I have an A500 that I have rooted successfully back a few months ago and installed HoneyVillain 1.04 ROM. It has worked flawlessly for months. Now I can't get root access with Titanium BU, BusyBox, Root Explorer or anything! I've tried re-rooting it using GingerBreak 1.2 with no success. I can access a backup that I made right after I rooted a few months ago, but that doesn't bring back root either. Can someone please tell me what to do before I make a 10.1" frisbee out of this thing. The tab's batery has been allowed to go completely dead once, but I don't think that would be the problem. I'd like to install the latest version of HoneyVillain if I can get root back. I sincerely appreciate anyone's help.
Sounds weird. You hadn't flashed anything else had you or installed a system update?
What's your kernel version & build number?
Have you tried using IconiaRoot?
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I simply can't figure this out. I have an A500 that I have rooted successfully back a few months ago and installed HoneyVillain 1.04 ROM. It has worked flawlessly for months. Now I can't get root access with Titanium BU, BusyBox, Root Explorer or anything! I've tried re-rooting it using GingerBreak 1.2 with no success. I can access a backup that I made right after I rooted a few months ago, but that doesn't bring back root either. Can someone please tell me what to do before I make a 10.1" frisbee out of this thing. The tab's batery has been allowed to go completely dead once, but I don't think that would be the problem. I'd like to install the latest version of HoneyVillain if I can get root back. I sincerely appreciate anyone's help.
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Did you by chance do a restore using cwm..? Every time I did a full restore I would loose root.
I haven't flashed anything and no system update. I'm about to try IconiaRoot 1.3. Still looking for the answer...I'll report back. Thanks!
I tried Iconia Root. It goes through the steps and says Done...Have Fun! Then a message says Iconia Root has been denied root privileges. I tried to unroot and it says something went wrong and I'm still rooted. I must be somewhere between rooted and unrooted! What now????
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What's your kernel version & build number?
Have you tried using IconiaRoot?
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Kernel version is 2.6.36.4HoneyVillain-1.0+
Build number is HoneyVillain 1.04
Bubbamanlarry said:
I tried Iconia Root. It goes through the steps and says Done...Have Fun! Then a message says Iconia Root has been denied root privileges. I tried to unroot and it says something went wrong and I'm still rooted. I must be somewhere between rooted and unrooted! What now????
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Don't use backup, reflash your rom and re root.
shaun298 said:
Don't use backup, reflash your rom and re root.
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I'm giving that a go right now...
Bubbamanlarry said:
I'm giving that a go right now...
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When that works I will give you the full story of what I found, if it works.
shaun298 said:
When that works I will give you the full story of what I found, if it works.
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Well, you're right - it did work. I didn't even have to root again. Everything is back after the reflash of the ROM. Now tell me the full story. I'm wanting (I think) to try the latest HoneyVillain ROM.
By the way, thank you VERY much for you help.
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Well, you're right - it did work. I didn't even have to root again. Everything is back after the reflash of the ROM. Now tell me the full story. I'm wanting (I think) to try the latest HoneyVillain ROM.
By the way, thank you VERY much for you help.
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You must not have wiped anything...? (Not that that is bad just more tech info for me), still learning.
Anyway, I have used honey vill and taboonay many version and with different kernals and love both roms.
What happans to me is I use cwm after I get the tab set the way I want and then do a full backup using cwm. Then I always want to fire test my backups so I immediately do a full restore using cwm, soon after I start getting denials from super user..? And after checking using a app from the market to check root, I have now lost root and can't get back, same as you.
I now just reflash the rom and if I do full wipe I reroot and all is well.
So I went with a different rom, backup and immediately do full restore and now no root again.
It happaned with every rom I have tried. Someone told me to delete the android.secure.image folder from the backup set that cwm makes. I tried that and that did let the restore, restore the flex rom folder but had the same problem. I have two a500 and both do this. I don' t know if stock rooted will do this as I have not tried yet. So what good is a full backup if it fudges your system. Maybe someone has a answer, but I have not found one. Sorry if this ain't your problem at all, but might be related. Later
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You must not have wiped anything...? (Not that that is bad just more tech info for me), still learning.
Anyway, I have used honey vill and taboonay many version and with different kernals and love both roms.
What happans to me is I use cwm after I get the tab set the way I want and then do a full backup using cwm. Then I always want to fire test my backups so I immediately do a full restore using cwm, soon after I start getting denials from super user..? And after checking using a app from the market to check root, I have now lost root and can't get back, same as you.
I now just reflash the rom and if I do full wipe I reroot and all is well.
So I went with a different rom, backup and immediately do full restore and now no root again.
It happaned with every rom I have tried. Someone told me to delete the android.secure.image folder from the backup set that cwm makes. I tried that and that did let the restore, restore the flex rom folder but had the same problem. I have two a500 and both do this. I don' t know if stock rooted will do this as I have not tried yet. So what good is a full backup if it fudges your system. Maybe someone has a answer, but I have not found one. Sorry if this ain't your problem at all, but might be related. Later
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That's amazing. I want to move up to the new HoneyVillain, so I guess I can count on rooting again? Wow. I love my Iconia though. I just remembered that I recently had trouble with WIFI so I DID do a restore via CWM. I guess I just realized that things weren't rooted! Oh well, you have provided some much needed info for me. At least now, I will know what to expect. Thanks again. Have a blessed evening.
I also had the wifi problem, and that is what started the whole thing with the full restore. Have a good one.
The same thing happened to me. I just installed another ROM to fix it.
Kinda ridiculous though. At least we know how to deal with it.
Thanks for this thread -- confirmed my sanity when I lost root after a CWM restore. Does anyone know if the updated version (1.6) of CWM for the A500 fixed this problem?
Hi,
Tomorow or the day after I will get my Moto x pure, don't want to root it yet, I prefer to wait 2 or 3 months.
So my question is can I backup all my app and setting from my Galaxy S5 rooted with adb backup and then restore the backup without get any trouble or bootloop ?
Or do you have another idea without rooting ?
Thanks
Titanium Backup will do exactly what you want... Archive applications, app data, and settings from your old phone, and allow you to restore those into your new phone. The catch is that you DO need root.
You can't use adb or nandroid backups like you were thinking, because you are moving those files to different hardware. Nandroid backups only work when you are moving to the same hardware (e.g. you received a new replacement phone because your old phone got damaged, and you want to move over all of your data and settings).
If you are familiar with computers, Titanium Backup is like running a backup program (for tape backups). Nandroid is like doing a drive image. A Nandroid (drive image) will capture and restore a lot more data that a backup program, and will be easier to restore. But it only works if you are restoring to exactly the same hardware.
If you are considering root, I actually recommend you just do it on day 1. Getting root (and unlocked bootloader) on this phone will wipe your device. So you might as well do it when your phone is unused. Plus, you get the benefits of root on day 1, such as being able to run Titanium Backup to easily port over your apps and data; and being able to run GravityBox (an XPosed module) to tweak the UI however you would like.
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kent1146 is right that the unlocking the bootloader will totally wipe your phone, including the internal SD card. I had already set up my phone before unlocking and expected to lose my apps and settings, but was shocked to also lose everything on the internal SD.
When I transferred over from my GS3 the first time, I used the NFC/WiFi Moto Migrate app during initial setup. That was a mistake. It took forever and stuff didn't end up where I wanted it, plus is only works for some of your data. After unlocking my bootloader, I simply copied my GS3 internal SD contents to my computer over WiFi, then copied what I wanted over to the MXPE internal SD via WiFi. That was faster and I got exactly what I wanted and how I wanted it set up.
As for your apps, Google will take care of that by downloading (over WiFi) all the apps that you have on your current account to the new device, along with your contacts and a few settings. I recommend that approach to get a clean start with the new phone. Garbage accumulates over time, and it helps both performance and SD space to start fresh. I use TiBackup religiously, but chose to restore only a few app settings with it on the MXPE.
Without root, if you're decide not to, helium backup worked amazing for me
Well I will try helium at first, because I realy want to test the phone before unlooking it. And in that case I think I could do a Nandroid BAckup with ADB and restore it in the same hardware after unlocking the phone.
I will root if I get a lot of battery drain to see what appened.
When we have the root do we are able to get the OTA upadte or we need a patch for it ?
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Well I will try helium at first, because I realy want to test the phone before unlooking it. And in that case I think I could do a Nandroid BAckup with ADB and restore it in the same hardware after unlocking the phone.
I will root if I get a lot of battery drain to see what appened.
When we have the root do we are able to get the OTA upadte or we need a patch for it ?
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We won't know for sure until the first OTA update is released, but I would guess so if that's all we do. My warranty still shows as valid on Moto's website and the fastboot screen shows the OS as "original." With that "original" designation, I'm guessing that OTA updates will probably work. We'll see for sure come Marshmallow.
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Well I will try helium at first, because I realy want to test the phone before unlooking it. And in that case I think I could do a Nandroid BAckup with ADB and restore it in the same hardware after unlocking the phone.
I will root if I get a lot of battery drain to see what appened.
When we have the root do we are able to get the OTA upadte or we need a patch for it ?
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You won't get OTA if you root.
Rooting will require you install a non-stock bootloader (TWRP), which wont automatically install OTA. Plus, root access will modify /system files, causing the OTA to fail.
Typical process for updating an unlocked and rooted phone is to restore your recovery and root access to stock, take the OTA update, then re-apply custom recovery and root. Or, just wait until someone has a flashable ROM that contains the OTA
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