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Hey everyone,
We're getting a lot of people asking us to make an X2 set of forums (to include general, ROM development, accessories, themes and apps). Alternatively, we could just simply back a sub forum under the X1 heading for the X2. We're learning towards the second option, but please, give your insights in this poll.
Its a different device so it sould really have its own forum otherwise its going to confuse people
i agree, on any form, due to the fact that x2 posts are mixed with x1 posts and it takes longer to find certain info regarding the x1 with so many x2 posts
We need x2 set of forums
We're asking to make an X2 set of forums (to include general, ROM development, accessories, themes and apps).we need that very badly.more X2 Out to market ,more trouble we get,please do it,make an X2 set of forum.Thank.
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we need new forum section
new forum for x2 that would be great and less comfusion
"themes and apps" i think will be the same as x1...
just few apps with accelerometer or tvout....
What ever, as long X2 got a "place" by it self. it's so easy to mix up if you read about X1 or X2 the way it is today.
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What ever, as long X2 got a "place" by it self. it's so easy to mix up if you read about X1 or X2 the way it is today.
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Set of forums!
Themes are different, some apps too,
some work on 6.1 and not 6.5 and vice versa.
I really think it should have its own forum as well Personally, I spend a lot of time reading up on both the X1 and X2, so it can often get confusing to differentiate between the two when people make posts And besides, this forum is for the X1, so all posts should be for the X1...
There are also plenty of awesome X2 help threads, informative problem threads and ways to make life easier with the phone, but they're mixed up in this forum and you can lose track of them If the X2 had its own forum, it would be nicer to sticky some of those threads (like the Solution "Must Have For X2 Owners" thread, that one is brilliant! Great work people )
A new forum would be awesome, thanks
I too prefer a seperate section for each of the two devices.
comeradealexi said:
Its a different device so it sould really have its own forum otherwise its going to confuse people
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Exactly how I feel
Hi, I don't have an X2. I used to have an X1. Don't have it anymore.
But I think X2 should have its own forum.
I think a single forum for the X2 would be great.
There doesn't seem to be enough interest and traffic in the X2 to create a full set of forums for it, though, so a single forum would suffice? Distinguishing it from the X1 is pretty necessary too, since they are seperate and unique devices.
its a good idea to create another forum as its getting out of hand hard to found x2 topics.. i see there two HD2's so why not xperia
amdx2 said:
its a good idea to create another forum as its getting out of hand hard to found x2 topics.. i see there two HD2's so why not xperia
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Its not manufactured by HTC
comeradealexi said:
Its not manufactured by HTC
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Neither are the Acer, Samsung, or Toshiba phones that all now have their own forums. I say full set of X2 forums. Like others said it'll be confusing to have an X2 subforum under the X1 forum. Besides a full set of X2 forums should help
Yes, please!
... A full set of forums for the X2 would be neede ASAP! It's already confusing to find the correct threads for the X2!
Also add a separate forum for sticky-stuff. Now on the X1 forum you have a whole screen full of sticy-threads!
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Also add a separate forum for sticky-stuff. Now on the X1 forum you have a whole screen full of sticy-threads!
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gr8, same opinion here
I have plans regarding that, especially for X1 (and also for X2 should it be created), just gimme some time for the cleanup
best
We're adding a full set of forums today for the X2 =D.
Dear Friend Thank you for lookinf into my question.
I have an HD2 from sometime now and thanks to the dev's on XDA for android and windows i am able to continue using my phone and liking it everyday
My question is: since i am set that android is better than winmo at least for me and i am using it permanently. If i buy an android phone LIKE Desire HD or Desire, will i be able to change the roms like my touch 4G or any other rom build.
or i will be bound to specific roms and themes for it.
i like to test everything i could and enjoy trying new systems, which i am doing now on my HTC HD2. But even with the stability of android roms nowadays i think the performance will be better if it is a native android phone.
Opinions are mostly appreciated
I'm no expert in either of those phones, but almost every Android phone has a pretty active dev'ing scene. It's not that much effort to switch roms on a native Android phone, but certainly more than with an HD2.
The variety of roms will also be less I think, coming from an HTC magic the abundance of choice here quite shocked me.
You can find the answer to this exciting question, and more, by reading the forums for other phones.
Well i dont suppose .
All the HD2 build out here have custom kernels and other tweaks which have been modified according to its hardware and devices specification.
But you can surely port it to your device. MEaning you will have to modify and tweak the builds accordingly.
I aint sure though
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You can find the answer to this exciting question, and more, by reading the forums for other phones.
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Thanks for looking into the subject, but, i tried before asking and i could not get the proper answer for it, i found some things that was not clear to me maybe since i am not a user for that specific device. Thats why i asked, so that someone who has enough knowledge about it could help with the info.
Thanks for your effort.
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Well i dont suppose .
All the HD2 build out here have custom kernels and other tweaks which have been modified according to its hardware and devices specification.
But you can surely port it to your device. MEaning you will have to modify and tweak the builds accordingly.
I aint sure though
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Thanks for the info, i think you might be right about the kernels and required mods. that did shed a little light about the answer.
Thanks again for your effort
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Thanks for looking into the subject, but, i tried before asking and i could not get the proper answer for it, i found some things that was not clear to me maybe since i am not a user for that specific device. Thats why i asked, so that someone who has enough knowledge about it could help with the info.
Thanks for your effort.
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Read and ask in these forums...
Desire - http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=594
Desire HD - http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=754
You're asking in the HD2 forum if there are ROMs available for other phones? Sorry, but that's just a waste of everyone's time (yours in particular!) Go to the relevant forums and do lots of reading in them before asking any questions, but ask them in THE RIGHT PLACE.
Oh yeah...
Thanks for your effort.
Check it out:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-building/T4XZJCZnqF8
Offering money isn't going to make a ROM appear. We don't even have a fully working CM7 ROM for start.. no chance with ICS any time soon.
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Offering money isn't going to make a ROM appear. We don't even have a fully working CM7 ROM for start.. no chance with ICS any time soon.
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So? we can't move on until cm7 decides to release a fully working ROM???
MIUI 1.11.4 is 100% functional.
Look, if a custom ROM, that aims to be an improvement from stock, start by cutting main services such as mms without having to enable data, I think is the beginning of something that will never have an happy ending. So waiting for a 100% functional cm7 Is an utoppy. Or is the Dev waiting for the official Huawei release?
MIUI is already working on ICS port and is planned up be released in December.
I think they will not wait for CM7....
I hope that they'll at least take u8800 pro into consideration...
I don't care about u8800 pro. To be honest it has been growing posts for this device in a place that belongs to u8800. But this not your fault. this is admins fault for their lack of attention and organisation
Well I do care since I'm the owner of a u8800 pro device (the numbers will grow, since u8800 is out of production now). I just wish I knew how to contribute more to ROM development.
Regarding the organization, I don't really mind, tagging on the title does the trick and this thread doesn't appear to be limited to the normal u8800.
You and other people are posting issues and asking question concerned with U8800pro in
(xda-developers > Huawei Ideos X5 U8800 > Ideos X5 U8800 General >...)
You see U8800pro anywhere?
This u8800 forum belongs to any type of u8800 i think... you have "fear" that the pro version is the only one that could have an ISC version because its better and can run ICS perfectly and you just can "attack" pro version owners if you want ICS in your device start working on it and don't ask others to do it.
it would be nice, if we have the ICS in ideos X5. I don't understand this war between normal version and pro version, it is the same shi*t.
So, please, take off that anger
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This u8800 forum belongs to any type of u8800 i think... you have "fear" that the pro version is the only one that could have an ISC version because its better and can run ICS perfectly and you just can "attack" pro version owners if you want ICS in your device start working on it and don't ask others to do it.
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1st you think wrong.
2nd I'm not afraid of anything. If I had I would buy a dog
3rd I don't give a **** for ICS version or for you.
4th Tomatoes is also a fruit not a vegetable. Did you knew that? Know, what has a tomato to do with other fruits? Does it make any sense that tomato is a fruit? But it is.
Ok, now U8800 and U8800 are compatible, what we can put in one can also put on both? I don't think so. So, its a different phone with different specs, with similar name. Therefore being in the same place will only cause confusion specially for those who are newbie’s.
5th Learn how to read and understand the meaning of peoples words (many words form a phrase). You will then understand that what I meant to say is that its a lack of organisation from the forum admins part not other members fault. Admins Fault!!!
And this is not an attack to anyone.
You accusing me of being attacking people remind the stupidity of some black people when get arrested the first thing they do is complaining about racism. But they are always innocent... lololol
6th when you start posting something real useful and helpful to other instead of commenting other peoples opinions with misleading interpretations???? I don’t want to believe that this is way over your head.... Chill out dude, prove I'm wrong and move on
Lol yeah, I believe the proper solution would be to have two subforums, U8800 and U8800pro, or atleast a subforum in our subforum (U8800). Its really confusing if it stays the way it is now.
Sent from my u8800
Obviously. Every monkey should be on hes own tree.
Threads are getting all ****ed up because of mixing information from different and incompatible devices. Because they are different and what works for one will brick the other.
I sure that people that have U8800pro or U8800-51 or any other device like to see dedicated, clean and organised places where they can discuss their doubts and ideas without mixed ups and confusions. I’m I wrong?
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Obviously. Every monkey should be on hes own tree.
Threads are getting all ****ed up because of mixing information from different and incompatible devices. Because they are different and what works for one will brick the other.
I sure that people that have U8800pro or U8800-51 or any other device like to see dedicated, clean and organised places where they can discuss their doubts and ideas without mixed ups and confusions. I’m I wrong?
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I really dont like your attitude, but.. some things you say are right. U8800 / U8800H / U8800PRO / U8800H are different and they should have a subforum. If they are no different (U8800 vs U8800H for example) should be on a sticky or something.
We're getting offtopic...
My last post: Who is actually the moderator in this forum?
ı2m porting ics rom on u8800. but dont foun touchscreen driver. try nexus one driver not run
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ı2m porting ics rom on u8800. but dont foun touchscreen driver. try nexus one driver not run
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Do you simply edit the compiled rom or build it from source? I am trying it myself (build the AOSP project), but I am too noob and haven't got it to build yet.
oguzhan mobile said:
ı2m porting ics rom on u8800. but dont foun touchscreen driver. try nexus one driver not run
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Can't you use an older driver, such 2.3.5 our 2.3.7 versions?
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You and other people are posting issues and asking question concerned with U8800pro in
(xda-developers > Huawei Ideos X5 U8800 > Ideos X5 U8800 General >...)
You see U8800pro anywhere?
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Is there a more appropriate subforum for u8800 pro? As far as I can tell, no, there isn't one. With that in mind, the u8800 forum is the one that fits best and unless something changes the u8800 pro posts will increase in volume.
I'd like a separate forum too, however it's not my job to administer the forum (or guide the admins on how to do their job) but I'm certainly not "hijacking" anything. Unless a separate forum is so decided, title tagging will have to do; you don't have to be offensive about it (nor doing so will make one appear out of thin air).
rubengs said:
This u8800 forum belongs to any type of u8800 i think... you have "fear" that the pro version is the only one that could have an ISC version because its better and can run ICS perfectly and you just can "attack" pro version owners if you want ICS in your device start working on it and don't ask others to do it.
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You sir, obviously have no cluea of what you're talking. Why on earth would original U8800 not be able to handle ICS based rom? Please, some facts.
Pro and other versions need their own sub forums as they really are different phones with different hardware. It's almost the same as saying all the Nexus phones have to be in the same forums as they have "Nexus" in their name. The current state of forums and phone models only create confusion, especially to people that are new to android and Huawei phones. This can lead to people bricking their phones by flashing something that is not made for their model.
Gotta say that I also agree that this druida guy should learn some manners.
Can we stay on topic please without the immature playground arguments flaring up again.
Thanks.
Hi.....
As you see,the forum for this phone going to die.....
I'm very sad cause i decide to buy this phone ,,,,i have also an lg p500 and at its forum is very good you can find anything you want,people are trying to help you with their replies,and so much people who developes roms ......
I buy u8800 pro and jumped at this forum and see that ,,,,no help, no developing,,no developers,,4 kinds of u8800 and i can't believe that we dont have developers working anymore......
Please ,european developers do something ,,,,,,genocolar leave us and i think that making roms only for china......now nobody developes anything.......
Can someone work for u8800 pro please????
I buy pro version cause its better and i saw that all the good work is for u8800 only.....now the developers abandoned us and owners of u8800 pro ask one each other to find a solution about their problems,but nothing anymore ......
I'm really really sad about the situation here....better not buying pro but the normal one,,i dont now
Sorry if i offended anyone and for my english,but i see no future here....
Sent from my U8800 Pro using XDA App
Yes, sadly I agree with you. I have a U8800-51 and no support what so ever. That is why I'm going to buy another phone that I know has alot of support. That being said... I can not blame the dev's for not wanting to work on this phone at all. It's not as easy as just changing and swapping a few lib files to make things work. It takes a lot of work... unpaid work and time out of there busy family life to sort through things and find solutions to the problems especially when as you even stated so many different U8800 and they are all different and to my knowledge no source code to work with. So when an unpaid dev doesn't find the fun in one project anymore they move on to something 'they' like. Yes it sucks for us but we are at the mercy of the devs. I thank them for trying and for doing what they have already accomplished. As the dev's are moving on... so am I.
Of course we thank them for their work and respect them....all i said is, that at this forum you can see that mess.....
Sent from my LG-P500 using XDA Premium App
Yes, huawei have made a bit of a mess with this phone by releasing a ton of different versions which makes dev work difficult, but it is still a good budget phone and very capable.
*Don't winge about it, do something about it. Help keep the wiki up to date so it is easy to find things. This can be done by anyone. Report messy or misplaced threads to original ganjaman, he is the admin for this forum, he can keep it in line. Also if Geno is only updating on chinese forums now, ask if you can update his progress here for him.
*Learn to develop. There are plenty of dev's who will offer help if you ask. I knew nothing about how android worked a few months ago, now I have made a custom kernel and rom for the u8150 and am looking at how things work on the u8800. It is not easy, but it is possible.
*Dont just look at this forum and assume nothing is happening because roms have not had an update in a week. If you follow the devs on google plus/ facebook/ twitter/etc, you will see there is a lot going on. Also one look on github confirms there is a lot of kernel dev stuff happening still especially around the .35 kernel.
*Give it time, it takes a long time to develop and port roms, it doesn't happen overnight.
*Thank your devs for their time and work. If they feel appreciated, they will continue work. If everyone just pisses and moans, they won't.
i have just read a similar post on androidworld.it
i have a LG P500 and a Huawei U8800PRO, i made 2 custom roms for the P500 (iridium and blackbird) and actually i am waiting for a few mb of u8800pro sources from genokolar. i hope he will upload them on his github so i will be able to start building an AOSP 2.3.7 rom for u8800pro
this forum won't die....the u8800pro has just been released in countries like Italy, and many people bought it. I hope that among those people there will be someone with enough skills to develop.
PaulMilbank said:
Yes, huawei have made a bit of a mess with this phone by releasing a ton of different versions which makes dev work difficult, but it is still a good budget phone and very capable.
*Don't winge about it, do something about it. Help keep the wiki up to date so it is easy to find things. This can be done by anyone. Report messy or misplaced threads to original ganjaman, he is the admin for this forum, he can keep it in line. Also if Geno is only updating on chinese forums now, ask if you can update his progress here for him.
*Learn to develop. There are plenty of dev's who will offer help if you ask. I knew nothing about how android worked a few months ago, now I have made a custom kernel and rom for the u8150 and am looking at how things work on the u8800. It is not easy, but it is possible.
*Dont just look at this forum and assume nothing is happening because roms have not had an update in a week. If you follow the devs on google plus/ facebook/ twitter/etc, you will see there is a lot going on. Also one look on github confirms there is a lot of kernel dev stuff happening still especially around the .35 kernel.
*Give it time, it takes a long time to develop and port roms, it doesn't happen overnight.
*Thank your devs for their time and work. If they feel appreciated, they will continue work. If everyone just pisses and moans, they won't.
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Well done,,now i have two replies,,when i ask something about the phone,,no replies at all ,,,that' s good. ...
Karagiozako......
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matteof93 said:
i have just read a similar post on androidworld.it
i have a LG P500 and a Huawei U8800PRO, i made 2 custom roms for the P500 (iridium and blackbird) and actually i am waiting for a few mb of u8800pro sources from genokolar. i hope he will upload them on his github so i will be able to start building an AOSP 2.3.7 rom for u8800pro
this forum won't die....the u8800pro has just been released in countries like Italy, and many people bought it. I hope that among those people there will be someone with enough skills to develop.
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Matteo, i know you and your work with lg p500 cause i'm a proud owner of lg p500 phone and i got it till now,,,i use cosmicXperia v3.5 ......
I have u8800 pro for 6 days only and after some reading about gingerbread update and functionality, i decided to root mine without updated to 2.3 and now i use it like that .....
Stock rom ....froyo 2.2.2
Recovery v5.0.2.7
O/C kernel from genocolar (.32)
I create init.d folder in system/etc and put inside loopysmoothness tweaks,,some other knzo's tweaks ,98 kickasskernel and z89uncapfps,,
Also i edit build.prop with some knzo's scripts and more...
Also i make 4 themes in the kitchen with circular battery icons,transparent status bar,etc.... and i'm trying now to change framework but no success with ninjamorph which i tried till now.......
I'm very happy with functionality till know and the gameplay with pes 2012 and modern compat black pegasus is perfect.....
My benchmarks scores with O/C 245/1613 smartass v2 ,,io bfq, are....
Neocore ..55.5 - 55.6 fps
Quadrant advanced...2850 - 3025
Antutu (without sd card)...3440 - 3550
I'm glad till now but i don't see future .......
Hope now that you are here ,that we'll see some light in the tunnel...
(Kargiola nicolouli)
Thanks for reading my post matteo and i allready see that you post two usefull threads till now......
Congrats......
Sent from my U8800 Pro using XDA App
gkalenis said:
Well done,,now i have two replies,,when i ask something about the phone,,no replies at all ,,,that' s good. ...
Karagiozako......
Sent from my U8800 Pro using XDA App
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What did you want to know?
gkalenis said:
Well done,,now i have two replies,,when i ask something about the phone,,no replies at all ,,,that' s good. ...
Karagiozako......
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gkalenis said:
Hope now that you are here ,that we'll see some light in the tunnel...
(Kargiola nicolouli)
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Hahaha to xperia neo v h to galaxy s eprepe na pareis file kai gw malakia ekana p viastika.
You should have bought samsung galaxy s or xperia neo v Calm Down
It would be great if someone could split the Development Forum by models! It's getting impossible to use the Development section because there's 4 models in the same place, it's just hard to find what we want! What's the problem of splitting that? Some mod said that he didn't have the permission to do that but if a mod don't, who does? :s
I just don't understand what's so hard about it, since it's every user's wish!
If i now that the pro model wouldn't have the supporting of the devs probably i wouldn't by it to!
I feel you gkalenis but now it's too late! A week ago i played with the idea to sell the pro and go for the galaxy s but finally i stay with the pro with or without the customs roms!
Tapawhat
I think brand new MIUI .35 port is awakening the development. Also I guess devs can port to all 8800s if they have sources...
i agree with users who say that this forum should be divided into categories (u8800pro and u8800) but if you need a forum where everything is simple and clear (only because it was created a month ago) go here (it is only about the u8800pro).
about developers: as i said i am waiting for geno's sources....if you will help me building gb 2.3.7 maybe we will have a good AOSP rom
PS: please do not compare this device with P500, LG O1 got an incredible support from devs like paolom70, andy572, franciscofranco, fserve, ciaox and many others who have done a precious work, better then LG's engineers.
For those asking about the forum split. This is a ongoing issue that keeps being raised. I agree with you, they should be split. I even asked about it in the mod forum. The response i got was that users of that forum require going through the correct channels. This evolves posting in the requests forum here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1416406
I hope you have all read the read before posting sticky in the development thread. Because all of this info is in there.
Now, all vote for the split. I hope it happens, it will make my job a Lot easier.
I hope this helps
Your friendly moderator
To the OP, sorry, didn't mean to jump down your throat. I know it can be annoying to have a problem with a phone which nobody online can help solve.
At last we have a separate section for u8800 pro
Congratulations
That's good
Sent from my LG-P500 using XDA Premium App
Wohoo! Very great news.
Sent from my U8800
Result, thanks mod's
Where is u8800 pro section???
I hope you check that there are some other threads which still staying in u8800 section and you try to fix this.......
Sent from my U8800 Pro using XDA App
gkalenis said:
Where is u8800 pro section???
I hope you check that there are some other threads which still staying in u8800 section and you try to fix this.......
Sent from my U8800 Pro using XDA App
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Here it is http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1466
I am really happy this split has happened. I hope it draws a end to the problems. Thanks for all who followed my instructions and voted!
I will move some of the pro dev posts tomorrow. If you need any moving, let me know, dont start double posting.
Peace!
Hey there guys and girls!
I know its nothing new but the idea of having a off-topic thread really hits the beat.
Was getting bored and there were a lot of OTT to choose from...so i decided to create a new one.
I know its so awesome of me to call off-topic threads as OTT!
This OTT will be known as **Gabbar Singh** LoL
Gabbar Singh: Hello World!
Its time to say hi...
*P.S. your participation is seriously appreciated, cause am still getting bored*
Gabbar Singh!
Reserved
Gabbar Singh!
I was thinking of discussing this with you people.
The Idea: Using the free storage in the external memory card as additional RAM in our android machines
Verdict: Rate it on a scale of 10 and obviously your comments are anticipated.
Gabbar Singh!
Fuel-The-Droid said:
I was thinking of discussing this with you people.
The Idea: Using the free storage in the external memory card as additional RAM in our android machines
Verdict: Rate it on a scale of 10 and obviously your comments are anticipated.
Gabbar Singh!
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isnt that work almost just like swap? correct me if Im wrong
No idea about swapping !
Gabbar Singh!
How many are you excited for the new BB10 ?
Though some of features announced are quite common in android but I am quite excited to see if the new rim dna is up for competing against the droid.
Gabbar Singh!
Fuel-The-Droid said:
How many are you excited for the new BB10 ?
Though some of features announced are quite common in android but I am quite excited to see if the new rim dna is up for competing against the droid.
Gabbar Singh!
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Hey guys sorry to just barge in when I'm a HTC incredible s User. I'm just. Thinking Sony for my next phone. Do you recomend it? Also are they easy to unlock , root etc
Cheers
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using xda app-developers app
james1196 said:
Hey guys sorry to just barge in when I'm a HTC incredible s User. I'm just. Thinking Sony for my next phone. Do you recomend it? Also are they easy to unlock , root etc
Cheers
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using xda app-developers app
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Yeah, sonyvdrvice is easy to unlock, there many root workarounds in the forums, and good roms, BUT beware of the slow update and they just abandon even the flagship phone a year before the current year...
But still... FXP Team is there to support whatever sony phone you'll buy...
My xperia arc s is running fxp cm9 which im using to reply to this thread... lol...!
soybi
soybi said:
Yeah, sonyvdrvice is easy to unlock, there many root workarounds in the forums, and good roms, BUT beware of the slow update and they just abandon even the flagship phone a year before the current year...
But still... FXP Team is there to support whatever sony phone you'll buy...
My xperia arc s is running fxp cm9 which im using to reply to this thread... lol...!
soybi
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Cheers for reply. Well my incS is still alive. Getting old but we are getting new stuff.
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Brain droppings.
Illustrator - Sent from my Arc S.
Hello everyone,
the moderating team assigned to your forum has decided to no longer allow any offtopic threads whether those were previously sanctioned by moderators or not.
We have come to this decision due to the fact that those threads offer absolutely nothing to the device specific forum or to development in general.
After all the name of the site is xda-developers.
If you feel the urge to engage in any offtopic discussion, the offtopic forum is always at your disposal.
As such, this thread is now closed.
Please understand that this decision was made only to streamline the forums and to enhance the user experience.
Thanks for your understanding and cooperation,
Tom
Moderator for the Sony/Motorola/LG devices