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{PRO}[REQUEST] Developers please pay attention towards xperia pro

Hello
Developers please pay a little more attention towards the xperia pro. I've been owning it since end October an am a bit disappointed. Six months have passed and still not much custom ROMs for it. I see a lot of development going on for other new devices like the Xperia S but why not pro. Till now only three custom ROMs are available wbich is very less as compares even to the low end and legacy devices like htc chacha.
This is a humble request from all the pro owners.
PS: pro needs its own section
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I think your "PS" is more relevant than the main body of your post.
Developers are people like you and me who invest their own spare time into modding their devices. It is not up to you to demand that others make ROMs for the community, rather that WE form the community.
There are a few good Xperia Pro custom ROMs and mods about, but the problem is that they are very scattered, and the complete lack of organisation here and contradictory advice of where to discuss Xperia Pro (with randon willy-nilly thread closures), along with the intransigent attitude of some admins towards even considering the two minutes work required to create an Xperia Pro sub-section simply stunts any growth in the community.
The Xperia Pro has a significant market niche of being the only respectable GLOBAL QWERTY slider to have been released in the last year, and indeed on the market at the present time. Many people simply do not realise howw important a good QWERTY device is to some of us, and have probably not used one either to understand how superior many of us might feel that QWERTY devices are. There is no point in a 20-core 8 GB RAM phone with 7" screen if the text input is gimped (inaccurate and taking up your whole screen), and the device no longer fits in your pocket! The Xperia Pro gets this right and for those who have used it understand why it completely wallops other devices that might look better on paper.

Truely a good statement! You just took all the words in my mind!

I was trying to port MiUI to pro but my notebook fell into the swimming pool and the HDD wont work anymore. I need some time to collect money to buy another and start developing.
I need every pro owner get inspired by others and to try something.
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Cant the moderator create a sub forum for xperia pro development like ray,live with walkman n etc.?
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Well 1st and main reason probably they didn't put one is because of lack of development support? This is XDA Developers this forum was meant to be a forum for developers so I guess unless there's not much developers on a specific device then no sub forum for us.
And 2nd is we don't have that much userbase I guess it's not worth the kilobytes for each member here if there would only be a handful of threads on a subforum.

Riyal said:
Well 1st and main reason probably they didn't put one is because of lack of development support? This is XDA Developers this forum was meant to be a forum for developers so I guess unless there's not much developers on a specific device then no sub forum for us.
And 2nd is we don't have that much userbase I guess it's not worth the kilobytes for each member here if there would only be a handful of threads on a subforum.
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I think the main problem is that pro was focused towards businessmen and such peoplr. Developers generally dont fancy hw QWERTY
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I don't think so... If you go to maemo forums you'll see a userbase on which 3/4 are developers and 1/4 are regular users and all of those developers stick to that forum for 2 reasons. 1 All phones/tablets have HW Keyboard & 2 OS is linux. Sad that nokia decided to ditch those and go with windows phones. On which the main reason why I switched android.

Anyone who's interested to do something check this out. I'll start developing one I get a new notebook.
http://www.freeyourandroid.com/guide/porting-android
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Riyal said:
Well 1st and main reason probably they didn't put one is because of lack of development support? This is XDA Developers this forum was meant to be a forum for developers so I guess unless there's not much developers on a specific device then no sub forum for us.
And 2nd is we don't have that much userbase I guess it's not worth the kilobytes for each member here if there would only be a handful of threads on a subforum.
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No, the main problem is ignorance of the admins towards how unique and great this phone is. Jjust look at the manner in which devices which the admins fall for the hype for such as the Samsung GSIII receive forums before they even exist or are known about. If the American admin were living in Europe where we have a QWERTY drought then they would have understood that many of us were eagerly waiting for months before the Xperia Pro release and would have created a forum without thought. "Dual core" etc. matters not one iota to many of us if it doesn't have proper QWERTY input.
It is a chicken-and-egg situation. I believe the developers are there in the community, merely that XDA (now regrettably the main place for SE development) is so disorganised that it makes it difficult to communicate.
It would be two minutes work to create a development sub-section in Neo, and actually less work for moderators to deal with the scattered Xperia Pro discussions as we have at present.
Frankly, I wish all Sony Ericsson users would get together, abandon XDA altogether, and return to websites like Esato, sense, TopSony as they did in the old days. At least then all devices would be appreciated and understood by those in charge.
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Weigh in here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1095923&page=11
and here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1533272
to see what we are dealing with.

paul5425 said:
No, the main problem is ignorance of the admins towards how unique and great this phone is. Jjust look at the manner in which devices which the admins fall for the hype for such as the Samsung GSIII receive forums before they even exist or are known about. If the American admin were living in Europe where we have a QWERTY drought then they would have understood that many of us were eagerly waiting for months before the Xperia Pro release and would have created a forum without thought. "Dual core" etc. matters not one iota to many of us if it doesn't have proper QWERTY input.
It is a chicken-and-egg situation. I believe the developers are there in the community, merely that XDA (now regrettably the main place for SE development) is so disorganised that it makes it difficult to communicate.
It would be two minutes work to create a development sub-section in Neo, and actually less work for moderators to deal with the scattered Xperia Pro discussions as we have at present.
Frankly, I wish all Sony Ericsson users would get together, abandon XDA altogether, and return to websites like Esato, sense, TopSony as they did in the old days. At least then all devices would be appreciated and understood by those in charge.
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Weigh in here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1095923&page=11
and here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1533272
to see what we are dealing with.
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Man this **** is not gonna help us. What we need to do is flood any one of the sections with xperia pro things like mods, ROMs, questions general discussions etc.
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Xperia pro is the best smartphone in its class. There's nothing compared to xperia pro when it comes to a physical keyboard.
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Pro didn't get advertised, that's why no one has it and no devs support it and now it's way too late to change that.
No one/dev will get a 1GHz single core device these days
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Flo95 said:
Pro didn't get advertised, that's why no one has it and no devs support it and now it's way too late to change that.
No one/dev will get a 1GHz single core device these days
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Everyone doesn't care just about 100Ghz processor with thousands of cores. Many people care about the usability of the device. Typing anything on a hardware keyboard is far less easy than on a touchscreen
I own a X10i, pro, xperia s and htc tytn ii. I use pro most of the time due to its usability.
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king-iyokan said:
Man this **** is not gonna help us. What we need to do is flood any one of the sections with xperia pro things like mods, ROMs, questions general discussions etc.
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I agree that we should indeed do that, and am working on some mods too in my spare time...
(after all, it has already been accepted to allow Xperia Pro to be discussed, merely not exactly agreed properly WHERE.) All we are requesting is a little cleanup with a small single forum under Xperia Pro (or perhaps more pragmatically here under Arc given the volume of stuff already here).

Flo95 said:
Pro didn't get advertised, that's why no one has it and no devs support it and now it's way too late to change that.
No one/dev will get a 1GHz single core device these days
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Rather bold words there completely out of line with the 470+ votes and available ROMs!
Some of us don't require advertising to make informed decisions. Nor do we think that it is work spending €100 more for a device with less features (cough! Arc cough! Perhaps this thread would have been better posted over to the Neo section where there seem to be less of these perceptions)

Show us some loveeeeeeee!
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Will Neo V Roms works with Pro?....ATM all hardware are same a part from PRO'S keyboard...

@king-iyokan
account is disabled.. i also think that pro users should get there seperate forum..
and he should be the leader because he has a developer spirit..,:

paul5425 said:
I agree that we should indeed do that, and am working on some mods too in my spare time...
(after all, it has already been accepted to allow Xperia Pro to be discussed, merely not exactly agreed properly WHERE.) All we are requesting is a little cleanup with a small single forum under Xperia Pro (or perhaps more pragmatically here under Arc given the volume of stuff already here).
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ifu said:
Will Neo V Roms works with Pro?....ATM all hardware are same a part from PRO'S keyboard...
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An interesting question. I think Neo V has different partition layouts, but I would have thought Arc and Neo ROMs could be made to work (though have read they will brick your device), except with some of the keyboard configuration left out. I think we should be pushing for an initiative to port Neo and Arc ROMs to Pro, or for example develop some sort of patch which would automate the process.

From the Moderator to All In this Forum

As the Moderator of this Forum, I want to thank all of you for being such a great Group. I find this Group one of the best in XDA, helpful, considerate and dedicated to the "let's try to improve our experience" on the Vibrant.
Now the S3 is coming ..... we will see many leave and move on...... This is to be expected...... but I am always sorry to see the waning of a great group of people...... such as all of you.
You know, the Vibrant has had an amazing run of support, more so than almost any other device.... I still love my Vibrant......even though I have a G-Nex and a Note...... I learned most skills on the Vibe....... and still love using it.
Anyway, Here at XDA we appreciate all the developers, Modders, Themers, and all the other contributing members such as yourselves...... that make XDA.
Thanks for making my job easy.......... Oka1 (moderator)

Thank you for your kind words, at first glance I though you were saying your goodbyes, but not the case.
People will leave but people will join, those phones have to go somewhere don't you think? Your right on the support, who knew this phone could get froyo, gingerbread even ICS, thank you devs.
Thank you oka1 for making this forum a more enjoyable one. Cheers
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Yes, thank you to all the helpful people in this forum. Also thank you oka1, for you're one of the good people, you know based on other good people's feedback. You have certainly helped calm this forum from what it was a while back.
So, here's to all the helpful people..., to you oka1, one of the good people, to people who have moved on and people who are still here. Here's to all the countless evenings and mornings spent on this forum. Here's to tomorrow. Thank you.
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I had a choice of getting a Nexus S or a Vibrant and had a few days to decide. I used those days to browse both fora. I am glad to say that I picked the right one. I have met many good people here and hope that the crop of newer users will be as cordial, intelligent and helpful.
This is way more useful than my tablet forum (oka1 is the mod there too). Over there it is hard to post anything without 15 responses about how you are wrong or that doesn't work for me. It makes it real frustrating. But it also makes me appreciate the Vibrant threads much, much more.

I think partly it is due to the fact that we didn't really get any official updates.
Yeah we got Froyo after much gnashing of teeth, but it wasn't OTA.
It was more of an afterthought especially since you needed to use Kies to install it. But even without Samsung/T-Mobile support, we were among the first phones running ICS. How does that even happen?
It is because we are all hungry for all the improvements that have come available for our phones, and we are extremely thankful and grateful to those that provide them to us. We were all in the same boat, and that led to an appreciation that some of the other forums do not have (or even understand).
The nature of the internet is inherently selfish, as most people demonstrate when they feel relatively anonymous, but we really do have a good community here.
I have asked a lot of questions along the way since I joined. Some were noobish, some were dumb, but no one mocked me for asking. Other people just helped get me on the right track. You can't ask for more than that, and to have those kinds of interactions in an online forum is remarkable. That spirit has led to many users becoming developers and creating new kernels and ROMs for this phone, and giving back to the community.
Also, it helps that the hardware in our phones is still relevent after 2 years...high end specs help a lot. People just seem to want to dev for this phone. As much as I would love to get a new phone such as the One S or the GS3, it is hard to justify when this phone is still chugging along just fine.

Thank you Oka1. If this is one of the best groups on XDA, then you've got to be one of the best moderators on XDA. It's been a good run, two years, and it's been an inspiring two years at that. I've learned things I never knew before, been helped when stuck or inquisitive, and in turn I've done my best to help the community in return. You guys are great, all of you here on the Vibrant forum (except the guy who ranted at mr_psycho). Woodrube, xriderx66, dougfresh, Oka1, and s15274n are just a few of the people I've been given the privilege to converse with here. Of course there are others, but then I'd practically be naming everyone in the Vibrant community!
It's funny, one day I was asking how to remove CWR because I thought it was bad for my phone and then the next I was flashing custom roms... One day I was asking people how to install Miui on my phone and then the next I was making a guide about it. I've leaned a lot here and thus I thank all of you guys.

Since I'm not good with speeches and what not. I love you all! Seriously. This was my second smartphone, I had a meh experience with the G1 and this has been the best, and I KNOW that nothing can be better than this.
Even if you are leaving, be sure to come back once in a while and say hello

I was such a noob entering into the flashing world had the g1 and hd2. Wasn't impressed with either (didn't know about any of this stuff) when I got my vibrant and was curious I stumbled into xda,edt and the axura forums. Wow was I clueless on the capabilities of these phones. As the 21st nears and I know the gs3 will soon be in my hot little hands I wish to thank oka for everything he's done for this forum. I will not yet bid farewell however.
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You guys are the best! Im gonna miss you all sooooo much when i upgrade!
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Upgrading is overrated. I'll stay here for 5 more years.
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iynfynity said:
Upgrading is overrated. I'll stay here for 5 more years.
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Damn hipsters.
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No Oka, thank YOU man! I know I don't host over here anymore, and don't respond to much either, but this post deserves it.
We all owe it to you for cleaning up this forum and putting those habitual line steppers in check, before you came around here, man, this place was a disaster in many threads.
I too love my Vibrant, it birthed my dev "career", when the day comes that I do upgrade, its going to be a sad one indeed, and I don't think I'll ever get rid of Betsy. More like enshrine her in a glass case on the mantle, and tell my grandkids stories of how Oka1 came riding over the hills and cleaned up this one horse town, making it a pleasing experience for all the devs, themers, and users alike.
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Yes! I win!
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W00t w00t posting hear to increase post count
Just playing; im very happy with this community as well.. it has really made my xda experience a very enjoyable one.
The vibrant is quite a legend and even though sometimes the flagships can tempt me, i know that this is all ill need for a couple more years.
Tbh though, once my contract runs out, this will become my backup or go to my family members (my mother still uses a moto SLVR from like 2004 lol)
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the vibrant was one of the few devices that had legendary supports. from here aokp creator roman started his Ron cooking. tmobile an AT&T galaxy s ii development was pathetic compared to the vibrant. thanks to everyone who made this device so great
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kulzboy said:
the vibrant was one of the few devices that had legendary supports. from here aokp creator roman started his Ron cooking. tmobile an AT&T galaxy s ii development was pathetic compared to the vibrant. thanks to everyone who made this device so great
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It's because I was using it
Everything I touch turns to big MMMMAAAAAMMMAA JAMMMMMAAA dev support xP
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VeryCoolAlan said:
It's because I was using it
Everything I touch turns to big MMMMAAAAAMMMAA JAMMMMMAAA dev support xP
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Alan, you douche you got a one x?
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im from malaysia, we didnt have samsung vibrant here, but i happened to get myself 1. i just want to say that i still like this phone very much even though i have a note. yea, we lack of updates, but thanks to all developers here, my vibrant gets a new life. they've done so much for us (needless to say what). would like to say thanks a million to all developers for your hard works. btw, im not going to leave this forum, i still love my vibrant...peace

Got my Vibe on release day 2010. I have many friends with many diff android devices and have never seen the collective collaboration like I have seen here. The amount of support this device has received is incredible to say the least. Thank you Oka1, devs and supporting members that turned me from flash noob, to flash intermediate. I have acquired many useful rooting skills and it all started here!

Hey guys,
Been on these forums for two years. Outstanding community and I've had SO MUCH fun. Upgrading the the Galaxy 3 in a few weeks and I will see you all over there!

Moving on and Thank you!

I realize that if everyone would open a thread like this it would overflow the forum but this has to be done
The DesireHD forum was my first XDA experience! Never in my life i was part of an internet community that I was so fond of. So many nice and helpful people, everyone helping each other and everyone working with passion and not motivated by greed. This is how the world should be
I'm just glad that i am/was part of the DHD XDA experience. You guys made my device 100x better than the way HTC released it. I didnt contribute all that much apart from some themes and hopefully helpful posts, so you guys gave me more than i had to offer in return and all that for free! That is something very rare in our materialistic world.
So before i drift off into philosophical and sociological thoughts about our society i just wanna say:
THANK YOU XDA DESIRE HD FORUM!!!
just bought myself some sexy blue SGS III and i really hope to see some of you guys there in the future

Unfortunately I have to close this. As your right the forum would overflow with these threads.
Thank you & I hope you enjoy your new handset.
BTW, you'll have to change your sig now

The Arc/S Community

Its been fun on Arc/S Community on XDA
Cheers to all Arc/S users. The Sexiest Device we ever had. Sleek Design, Handy and Handful device for a Mid Range its pretty Cool.
Upon using the Phone for few months I am still love this other mid range phone out there.
Checking every 5 hrs on XDA and spending many time reading the Arc/s thread. I did developed a ROM though I discontinued it coz of some Annoying dev's out there who don't want any competition about the roms. I mean the site was intended for us to Share and Experiment with our handset. The only thing worked out is my Swap Thread and I really have good time with it and a company notice me then proposed to Buy my developing Swapler app and I give thanks all to XDA forum. I truly appreciate the Motive of setting this forum up and the Moderators on Arc/S are very nice to the users.
Before I leave the Arc/S community I will just make Roms for my Fellow Filipino mates with Chaos. I was still wanting to develop good roms here. I was planing to Tandem with Chaos to make such good roms for Arc/s. But I guess some troll will be Intimidating our Release and again Fire will spark over and over again so I got sick of these (Kid/Infant Attitude) as I guess Iridaki will Agree with me.
I will post my Creations on Android Section from this point. I will make with add Swapler and realease for free but its still on Approval.
Its been fun. I hope moderators will automatically delete Irrelevant topic of Troll here. Hammer theme with Chuck Norris :victory:
Its just when Free sharing become business donation to others.
Ciao Arc/s
My Works: The Arctic Rom (Discontinued)
Swapper: Swapper [Root Users] Reduce Lag and Save Ram
Moving to Razr and SGN.

Patambiz said:
Its been fun on Arc/S Community on XDA
Cheers to all Arc/S users. The Sexiest Device we ever had. Sleek Design, Handy and Handful device for a Mid Range its pretty Cool.
Upon using the Phone for few months I am still love this other mid range phone out there.
Checking every 5 hrs on XDA and spending many time reading the Arc/s thread. I did developed a ROM though I discontinued it coz of some Annoying dev's out there who don't want any competition about the roms. I mean the site was intended for us to Share and Experiment with our handset. The only thing worked out is my Swap Thread and I really have good time with it and a company notice me then proposed to Buy my developing Swapler app and I give thanks all to XDA forum. I truly appreciate the Motive of setting this forum up and the Moderators on Arc/S are very nice to the users.
Before I leave the Arc/S community I will just make Roms for my Fellow Filipino mates with Chaos. I was still wanting to develop good roms here. I was planing to Tandem with Chaos to make such good roms for Arc/s. But I guess some troll will be Intimidating our Release and again Fire will spark over and over again so I got sick of these (Kid/Infant Attitude) as I guess Iridaki will Agree with me.
I will post my Creations on Android Section from this point. I will make with add Swapler and realease for free but its still on Approval.
Its been fun. I hope moderators will automatically delete Irrelevant topic of Troll here. Hammer theme with Chuck Norris :victory:
Ciao Arc/s
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Even though I don't know much about your work or your support for the Arc / Arc S, it's sad to see guys leaving thanks to a bunch of morons that's envy on other guys quality work. Yes, your SWAP application is joy and quality (at the same time) that has saved me a lot of times when struggling to make ICS worth my time, and to avoid making this too fanboyish - I wish u all luck with whatever you now are going to do!
Thanks for your support, Patambiz! And a lot of greetings (hopefully) from the Arc community.
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Welcome to Xperia Z OFF TOPIC Thread!​
You are able to say anything and discuss anything as long as it does not violate XDA RULES
The thread was made to keep the section clean of off topic threads and have fun!
Let's start!​

Hey all, what are you all doing? Excited about Xperia Z?

Yes very preordered and scanning the web for news
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So my current device now is the wildfire buzz from htc ... I was going to sell it but after installing (cm9) on it I had second thoughts (thanks to xda-developers )
any way that's not my question ... my question is ( I want to get another mobile and I want it to be one of a kind so I was thinking to get the new iPhone 5 and I was very convinced .. until I saw that magnificent device the Xperia Z and now I'm puzzled .. what should I do ... go with this magnificent android device or try the IOS device that have a lot of people using it right now and saying that it will last for a long time with no problems)
So the bottom line is ... what's your professional opinion about this problem???
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hunt7000 said:
I want to get another mobile and I want it to be one of a kind so I was thinking to get the new iPhone 5 and I was very convinced .. until I saw that magnificent device the Xperia Z and now I'm puzzled .. what should I do ... go with this magnificent android device or try the IOS device that have a lot of people using it right now and saying that it will last for a long time with no problems:fingers-crossed:
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Well the Xperia Z and The iPhone 5 are very different in many ways but the biggest is clearly the OS... Android vs iOS. Well in my opinion Android is the better one but that is my opinion... Everyone has its own taste in smartphones so go to the next shop and test some of the newest android devices and then the iPhone 5, watch some comparison videos, read some articles about it, etc.
On the hardware side there are some big differences aswell:
Snapdragon S4 Pro Quad-Core chip for the Xperia Z and Apples A6 Dual-Core Chip for the iPhone
1Gb Ram iPhone vs 2Gb Xperia Z
4" Retina Display with 326ppi on the iPhone vs 5" Full HD 420ppi Xperia Z
Both are pretty awesome devices... So either way you go, you can't go wrong
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hunt7000 said:
So my current device now is the wildfire buzz from htc ... I was going to sell it but after installing (cm9) on it I had second thoughts (thanks to xda-developers )
any way that's not my question ... my question is ( I want to get another mobile and I want it to be one of a kind so I was thinking to get the new iPhone 5 and I was very convinced .. until I saw that magnificent device the Xperia Z and now I'm puzzled .. what should I do ... go with this magnificent android device or try the IOS device that have a lot of people using it right now and saying that it will last for a long time with no problems)
So the bottom line is ... what's your professional opinion about this problem???
sorry for the long replay :fingers-crossed:
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In my opinion, iPhone was the best in like 2 years ago. After I do root, ul boot loader, install ROMs and port ROMs etc... I will never leave my android... it is up to you whether to choose what but I suggest Xperia Z.
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It is a great idea of making an Off Topic thread so Moderaters does not need to delete again and again... And will keep the forum clean .

Hello everyone,
the moderating team assigned to your forum has decided to no longer allow any offtopic threads whether those were previously sanctioned by moderators or not.
We have come to this decision due to the fact that those threads offer absolutely nothing to the device specific forum or to development in general.
After all the name of the site is xda-developers.
If you feel the urge to engage in any offtopic discussion, the offtopic forum is always at your disposal.
As such, this thread is now closed.
Please understand that this decision was made only to streamline the forums and to enhance the user experience.
Thanks for your understanding and cooperation,
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