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Hey All,
Need your help with something. Not only is there the Euro version of the Galaxy S, but soon there will be the Sprint Epic, T-Mobile Vibrant, AT&T Captivate, and Verizon Fascinate. All of these are Galaxy S phones, but the development will vary a bit from device to device.
How should we handle this at XDA? Should we have multiple (separate) forums for all five devices? Or should we just have sub-forums under this Galaxy S main forum? Please vote!
More specifically:
Option 1........
Samsung Galaxy S
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Sprint Epic Android Development
- T-Mobile Vibrant Android Development
- AT&T Captivate Android Development
- Verizon Fascinate Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
Option 2........
Samsung Galaxy S
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
Sprint Epic
- Epic General
- Epic Acessories
- Epic Android Development
- Epic Themes and Apps
AT&T Captivate
- Captivate General
- Captivate Acessories
- Captivate Android Development
- Captivate Themes and Apps
Verizon Fascinate
- Fascinate General
- Fascinate Acessories
- Fascinate Android Development
- Fascinate Themes and Apps
T-Mobile Vibrant
- Vibrant General
- Vibrant Acessories
- Vibrant Android Development
- Vibrant Themes and Apps
has to be option 2.
Otherwise the place will become 'flooded' and 'cluttered' and the same questions being answered many times.
Also it will be difficult to help people in different regions and who have different firmware etc
Definitely Option 2.
I don't think there's a need to even split the development forums.
As i see it, "Galaxy S" is a platform. The hardware for all the devices is 99% similar, with the exception of keyboards.
I'm thinking more like-
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Keyboard devices Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
If it turns out that the devices will actually be pretty different, i support option 1.
Let's keep it as a big happy family, no need for splits.
Pika007 said:
I don't think there's a need to even split the development forums.
As i see it, "Galaxy S" is a platform. The hardware for all the devices is 99% similar, with the exception of keyboards.
I'm thinking more like-
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Keyboard devices Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
If it turns out that the devices will actually be pretty different, i support option 1.
Let's keep it as a big happy family, no need for splits.
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They are very similar, but the AT&T and T-Mobile versions are GSM, whereas the Sprint and VZW versions are CDMA, two totally different technologies.
I'm going to have to go with option 2. Not only will it become cluttered, but do we know yet just how similar the devices are? Like someone already mentioned, there will be GSM & CDMA models. But on top of that, the software might still be just different enough...
They are very similar, but the AT&T and T-Mobile versions are GSM, whereas the Sprint and VZW versions are CDMA, two totally different technologies.
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my point exactly.
option 2 makes the most sense
Am i missing something? Option 2 is the most cluttered one with 5 different forums for the same thing. The development forums need to be separate, but why have 5 different general, accessories, and themes/apps forums? The phones aren't that much different.
Split gsm and cdma like ya did with Hero. Makes sense to me.
jeffoster said:
They are very similar, but the AT&T and T-Mobile versions are GSM, whereas the Sprint and VZW versions are CDMA, two totally different technologies.
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Then splitting GSM and CDMA should be more than enough.
Option 2
Vince
theyre all so similar, just do Option 1, i dont want to have to go back and forth between 5 different threads to find an answer.. add if we ask a question, we wont hit all the users, wed have to ask in 5 different general sections.
Has to be option 1, they are similar phones with a few cosmetic difference but as people have said may all be different to develop for, so specific development forums would be the best way.
Option 2 makes sense!
The phones are too different to keep in the same place. They are all different shapes, one has a keyboard, two are CDMA but two are GSM, some have flashes, they have different bands... they are different phones. Someone said we don't need separate general/accessories forums, but there do need to be AT LEAST different accessories forums.
option 2.
I'll want roms with sprint specific content and keyboard features.
Keep each separate.
Option 1. Otherwise there'll be so much duplication that everyone will miss out on the collective benefit of having all the best devs and support people working together.
Pika007 said:
I don't think there's a need to even split the development forums.
As i see it, "Galaxy S" is a platform. The hardware for all the devices is 99% similar, with the exception of keyboards.
I'm thinking more like-
- Galaxy S General
- Galaxy S Acessories
- Galaxy S Android Development
- Galaxy S Keyboard devices Android Development
- Galaxy S Themes and Apps
If it turns out that the devices will actually be pretty different, i support option 1.
Let's keep it as a big happy family, no need for splits.
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i agree with this.
Option 1 is the best. Even with keyboard and CDMA vs GSM the phones are similar enough that general questions will overlap. Just like the forums for other HTC devices (Topaz/Touch Diamond 2/Pure for example).
The accessories issue could be solved if posters are generous enough to use something like [Galaxy S], [Captivate], etc. in front of the post. Of course, that won't work well if the phones prove to be popular, then different forums for CDMA, GSM, and/or accessories may be needed.
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Then splitting GSM and CDMA should be more than enough.
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i agree
Option 2 is to much of a good thing i think. Like others said, the difference is minimal, so my opinion is just add more categories where it's needed. Makes it easier for the knowledgable people to reply to problems which may have already been answered.
It will be funny when the epic *****ing starts when the noobs flash a gsm rom to their cdma device and end up with a paper weight.
Alright lets get the record straight. Has anyone tried the kernal patch that puts your mem on a partition on the sd card. Supposidly this boosts performance out of this world. Please post here if you have tried this.
Secondly, we need to attract some developers. I'm willing to donate if anyone wants to code for us. We got a great user base and a really good product. Im conviced the captivate is by far one of the better phones from the galaxy s lineup. If any one knows some developers, introduce them tot his godly beast and let them know there are people out here willing to pay for good quality fixes and roms.
I was thinkin about asking for help from the guys running international s. We could post and ask in the xda area and also modaco and androidforums which have big communities as well.
Any other ideas on how to attract developers? Post here.
systoxity said:
Alright lets get the record straight. Has anyone tried the kernal patch that puts your mem on a partition on the sd card. Supposidly this boosts performance out of this world. Please post here if you have tried this.
Secondly, we need to attract some developers. I'm willing to donate if anyone wants to code for us. We got a great user base and a really good product. Im conviced the captivate is by far one of the better phones from the galaxy s lineup. If any one knows some developers, introduce them tot his godly beast and let them know there are people out here willing to pay for good quality fixes and roms.
I was thinkin about asking for help from the guys running international s. We could post and ask in the xda area and also modaco and androidforums which have big communities as well.
Any other ideas on how to attract developers? Post here.
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I'm down to donate as well and do anything I can to add to the cause. I really hope this phone takes off cause it is great. I think we have a good chance that a lot of the N1 devs might just come over to this phone and if not they should be getting the Vibrant and I doubt that it will be much trouble to port over to Captivate.
Err why is it better lol? all the samsung galaxy S phones are exacly the same internaly...none its better than the other, the only difrence is the lack of flash/camera and keyboard from the other variants.
rafyvitto said:
Err why is it better lol? all the samsung galaxy S phones are exacly the same internaly...none its better than the other, the only difrence is the lack of flash/camera and keyboard from the other variants.
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Image, Image, Image. If the galaxy lineup were real life siblings, the captivate would be the only one going to the prom. It also sports fewer gps issues than the vibrant and galaxy s. Ive also seen way less people complain about lag in these forums than the ones for the vibrant and galaxy s (and we have more viewers here than on the vibrant page).
When devs see this device they should be seeing potential.
systoxity said:
Image, Image, Image. If the galaxy lineup were real life siblings, the captivate would be the only one going to the prom. It also sports fewer gps issues than the vibrant and galaxy s. Ive also seen way less people complain about lag in these forums than the ones for the vibrant and galaxy s (and we have more viewers here than on the vibrant page).
When devs see this device they should be seeing potential.
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All of these so called "issues' are software based, its samsung ****ty touchwiz UI that lags like ****ing hell, not the device hardware, and yes i do agree that the captivate is the sexiest of them all.
Im pretty sure it would be painless to port over Vibrant or Galaxy S fixes to the Captivate. Internally they are the same except for a few minor differences like rafyvitto said which wouldn't be that hard to fix. I'm brushing up on my Java skills and learning about the internals of Android right now. Ive been a iPhone person for a while. Hopefully soon I can be of some help and get hacking on Captivate. From what I've seen and read we have a good phone to develop for because its easily rooted and has an unlocked bootloader. I've also heard that the drivers for the Galaxy S lineup are encrypted, but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. What we need is a dump of the current ROM and also we need a better recovery system like Amon_RA's recovery. The source for his recovery system is on GitHub so we could try and port it over to the Galaxy S lineup.
shouldnt samsung be releasing source for drivers any day now? I thought the word around town was that they were being open with the community on this jazz.
systoxity said:
shouldnt samsung be releasing source for drivers any day now? I thought the word around town was that they were being open with the community on this jazz.
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They have already released the source code for the Galaxy S here. They don't have to release the source for the drivers because they are proprietary, but from what ive read the binaries for the drivers are in that download so all someone would have to do in link them in. I just don't know if the drivers are encrypted meaning that it has to be an official samsung ROM for them to work. Hopefully not because that would make cooking new ROMs a hell of alot easier.
we should ask the modaco guys for help and info. I dont think we can use the source or drivers from the galaxy s international. I think someone tried doing stuff that way and bricked.
i could be wrong tho
Would also be willing to donate to the cause. The only reason I didn't buy an iPhone 4 is the developers for this phone.
@wesgarner is on the CyanogenMod team / TeamDouche and has ordered a Vibrant.
We might be able to encourage him to port the latest CyanogenMod build once he has the Vibrant's build completed.
He purchased a Vibrant and I think a laptop to do the work. I've already sent him an email about being a beta tester for the Captivate.
Just remember the devs have a life outside of working on phones! Don't ask for timelines - whether you donate or not!
Wes is working on a port for the slide and then he'll be working on the Vibrant.
While the hardware is similar - the software isn't exactly the same. I was messing around with the MMS.apk today and tried to replace my corrupted one with the one from the Vibrant - did NOT work.
Also, the device is capable of having a REAL FMRadio. The Euro versions have an FMradio.apk. I pushed it to the Captivate - but, the Captivate will need the drivers (to build into a kernal) for the FMRadio to work. But, this is entirely possible.
So, yes the hardware is basically the same or similar - it won't necessarily easy. If any of you remember, LOL - this will be akin to porting the N1 build over to the Desire - I think.
The first thing to go should be that awful samsung UI lol. I think the challenge will be porting ROMs for all these different Galaxy S models. I saw this coming when I read the device would make it to all four major carriers in the US plus.
thanks shane, i also heard another dev recently purchased a captivate, do you know anything about this? i'd like to support his endeavors.
Yea I read over in the Vibrant forums that a dev just got a captivate and is working on a recovery. They also have wes working on the Vibrant so hopefully they get cookin on some ROMs. It won't be that much of a hassle to port them over to the captivate. I would advise not fooling around too much with your phone because someone has already messed up his/her phone. They will either have to take it into ATT store and replace it or wait for a dump of the original ROM to come out.
I have tired the MoDaCo rom and it does (kinda - not brick) work with the SGH-I897 (captivate model), I was able to use it to remove the ATT crapware and nearly everything seems to be working. Phone reports its self as Model Number: GT-I9000 in the about phone tab.
One very IMPORTANT problem - I am having difficulty making outgoing phone calls.
Things that I can confirm work:
Bluetooth file transfer
3g data
GSM phone calls (incoming calls work)
Camera
Audible app, pandora ect.
SMS outgoing and incoming messages
Pretty much everything I have tested on the phone except making outgoing phone calls (important as it is a phone after all). So DON'T use this ROM yet, and if you do make a backup.
Hope this helps.
Hi Guys,
http://www.samsunghub.com/2010/10/1...king-android-tablet-smt-i9100-for-kddi-japan/
above link FYI. Samsung has released a new tablet for a specific carrier KDDI in japan.
what caught my eye was that samsung opted for Ocean Observation UI instead of TouchWiz UI.
Does any one knw more about this UI? it would be nice if devs can port it to our galaxy S.
its a bit too early, but this thread can be used for port development and discuss further about this new UI.
They just use round icons in stead of squared ones, and there might be no calling option available since it is a tablet. Doesn't seem to much of a difference compared to TouchWiz.
wrong section moved
now back on topic.... "ewwww"
that was the first impression i got as soon as i shaw the pictures
A little bit of a weird UI 0_0.
Well before we get ahead of ourselves, the first step is probably to get either a system dump of the device, or a firmware (from which system can be extracted anyway). Then we can try and run/modify the launcher apk.
But... probably won't happen for a while, unless the UI has some interesting features.
sorry for posting it in development section...
LOL guys..it doesnt look so "eeewwww"
what was interesting is that why samsung would leave their first child TouchWiz!!!!
the source webpage looks sooo crap..i couldnt find more information about this..thought i should bring to XDA DEVS notice.
Hello,
I am in the market for a Samsung Focus. I am purchasing an AT&T Focus with no contract. I am thinking either of these:
Focus
Focus 2
But that is not the part I'm worried about. When I get my Focus, I want to open it, mod a couple of things, and have it working awesomely. Here are the things I want to get done:
Unlock it so I can use a SIM from T-Mobile.
Install the latest Mango Developer Preview
Overclock if possible
Install a 4 GB Micro sd card.
I am a newb to the Focus + WP7, but not a newb to tech. As you can see in my sig, I have a rooted Honeycomb Nook Color, and an IDEOS which is rooted and custom ROMed. So please take in mind that I can understand cryptic commands.
Thank you so much and I look forward to my Focus.
~ikingblack
I'm also posting this in the WP7 general section.
ikingblack said:
Hello,
I am in the market for a Samsung Focus. I am purchasing an AT&T Focus with no contract. I am thinking either of these:
Focus
Focus 2
But that is not the part I'm worried about. When I get my Focus, I want to open it, mod a couple of things, and have it working awesomely. Here are the things I want to get done:
Unlock it so I can use a SIM from T-Mobile.
Install the latest Mango Developer Preview
Overclock if possible
Install a 4 GB Micro sd card.
I am a newb to the Focus + WP7, but not a newb to tech. As you can see in my sig, I have a rooted Honeycomb Nook Color, and an IDEOS which is rooted and custom ROMed. So please take in mind that I can understand cryptic commands.
Thank you so much and I look forward to my Focus.
~ikingblack
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Looks like most your requirements can be met. In regards to modding, overclocking is not possible as of now. WP7 community is just getting into providing hspl for wp7 roms; currently there is only hspl for htc devices. Unlocking can be done through calling your service provider in good standing and saying you are traveling abroad; or buy using one of the various unlocking services. The samsung focus is expandable to 32 gb. And installing developer mango release 7712 is as easy as running an exe. All you have to do is run a provision exe, make sure you make a backup, and update through beta zune. Since this community is still young, in my opinion, modding and everything will not be as accessible or possible yet. Though, currently there are members working on efficient registry editors, sideloading apps is possible. Hope this helps you. For specifics on everything mentioned. search in the general focus section.
If I were you I would not buy a new Focus at this point. You think Microsoft is going to launch Mango without some fresh hardware ? Either wait for the new models or if you must buy a Focus but one off kijiji.ca or from eBay from a local listing. There's not much that goes wrong with these phones, so unless it's been severly mis-handled (dropped into water) you can probably get a great deal on a used one.
If you can get it cheap.. go for it, or else wait.
while at this point (so close to mango devices) i would never sign a contract for a focus or any gen1 wp7 device, i would def buy one for ~200, which can easily be found on ebay/CL.
the focus is no slouch (thanks in part to a well made OS), and unless you absolutely NEED a FFC, it will be a perfect good device for some time (in modern phone lifespan terms that is, you know, like a year )
as for your desires, like it's been said, everything on your list can be done aside from OC, which isn't necessary on this platform right now, the phone is FAST, especially on mango.
HI guys,
Newb here, My dad has been using a samsung omnia gt I900 for some years, ive been trying to convrt him to android and now wondering in with all the advances if it is possible to put an android OS on a microsoft phone. I might regret asking this question but taught i would give it a go , as you developers are coming up with some amazing sh*t these days.
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Nothing is impossible but the important factor is reality. I'm not an expert but I know when you port a new OS you need to write drivers and programs to control the underlying hardware. This is especially difficult if you are unrelated to the phone manufacturer.
So no you won't be able to change the phone to Android.
Remember everyone is different, especially across age groups. You should chat to your dad and find out what he likes and doesn't like about the Omnia. If he really likes certain things about Windows, have a look at upgrading him to a newer WP8 model; it has many more features and he'd get an upgrade to WP10 too. However maybe he would like testing out an Android or iPhone. Go to a phone store sometime with him