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x10 camera vs. satio camera

hey..
my friend has a SE satio which comes with a 12MP camera..
i just thought my photos sucked when taken at night because it's dark outside..
but when my friend took the same photos in same setting with her satio, it looked so much better..
i don't think 4MP would make such difference .. would it??
x10 came out after satio.. but i guess they put a crappier camera on x10.. hm..

So what you got Android

Considering most phones don't even break 4MP 8.1MP is quite a good camera for a cell phone. SE has been beastly with cameras in their phones and those 4MP do matter. if you took a picture with a 4MP camera and compared it to a picture taken with the X10, the X10 would look infinitely better.
Phone's rarely do well with lighting because they have fixed focus lenses, it's not practical to have a lense that extends and retracts on a cell phone. Cell phones are getting better and better camera but they will never be able to replace a good professional camera.
As for the decision to give the X10 an 8.1MP camera, it likely had to do with pricing. if SE would have put a 12MP camera in the price would have been much higher.

oh no.. i don't mean "i want a 12MP camera!"
but just i didn't think 'megapixels' made much difference in qualities when taken in dark...
it's just that when i took photos with the satio, we could see ppl's faces and etc.. but with x10 it was really dark, pixelated, and etc....

The Satio also has a xenon flash. I'd expect my C905 to beat out my X10 at night too.

lft4ded said:
The Satio also has a xenon flash. I'd expect my C905 to beat out my X10 at night too.
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+1! i loved the flash on my c905! it was awesome - infact sometimes too good. it would light up dust in the air and they would appear on shot

The amount of megapixels have nothing to do with the quality of the colors and how well it does in bad lit scenes. If you limit the amount of layers the light has to pass to get to the converting(light to electricity) layer of the cmos sensor then you get better results in dark settings.
Sony developed a back lit sensor in 2008 (i think). This sensor is lit from the back and the light doesn't have to pass all the layers. The result of this is it catches more light. And then you can take better pictures at night. Not sure if they have implemented it yet into mobile phones.
A xenon flash helps idd. Are the pictures in the dark also better without flash?
The x10's camera can capture colors very well with fine detail, it's not a bad camera.

Satio wins at night hands down (xenon flash ).
I saw images in day light and they were better compared with X10.
Problem with Satio is the software.
At least X10 got firmware updates for bug fixing but Satio is pretty much dead.

4 mp matters when it comes to Cypershot processor and Xenon Flash in Satio
even thought Pixels have nothing to do with quality but only in size of the picture

xperia x10 camera quality lacks
sony Ericsson want to sell his all mobile phones thats why there is no camera quality in x10..company never introduce all rounder phone which has good camera , android 2.1 (at least 2.1) , wifi , gps , 4inch screen , sexy look..
if such phone any company introduce than his other handset will not sold..
its marketing policy...nothing else...

swapniladsure said:
sony Ericsson want to sell his all mobile phones thats why there is no camera quality in x10..company never introduce all rounder phone which has good camera , android 2.1 (at least 2.1) , wifi , gps , 4inch screen , sexy look..
if such phone any company introduce than his other handset will not sold..
its marketing policy...nothing else...
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What are you talking about? The X10 had the absolute best camera on a smartphone when it was released.
Also, megapixels mean absolutely, positively nothing when it comes to image capture in the dark. In fact, the more megapixels you shove into a tiny sensor, the crappier the image will be. A bigger CMOS sensor will give you a better picture, not more megapixels.

Exactly
Take a look at the pictures posted here : http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111&start=210
They are taken with a xperia x10 and they look stunning compared to other phones.

Infinity1988 said:
Exactly
Take a look at the pictures posted here : http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111&start=210
They are taken with a xperia x10 and they look stunning compared to other phones.
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Yes, but not compared to Satio
and you can see that in the link you provided

MJ_QaT said:
Yes, but not compared to Satio
and you can see that in the link you provided
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I didn't come across any comparison between the satio and the xperia x10 on that url, maby i overlooked it. But there are people there that switched from the satio to the x10 and are happy with it. That thread is for x10 pictures only.
Besides take a look here : http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Sony-Ericsson-Satio-12471 Those pictures don't look better than the pictures of the x10.
I think the only thing that's better on the satio (besides amount of mp) is the xenon flash.
I would like to see a direct comparison between the satio, c902 and x10.

not only photo taking sux... music oso sux...
SE never improvise the technology of cybershot and walkman to X10...
wat's the point trying to come out a high end phone but lack of all these... sux... even my brother lousy W350i tat have much much nicer music than mine...
shame on SE....

Infinity1988 said:
I didn't come across any comparison between the satio and the xperia x10 on that url, maby i overlooked it. But there are people there that switched from the satio to the x10 and are happy with it. That thread is for x10 pictures only.
Besides take a look here : http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Sony-Ericsson-Satio-12471 Those pictures don't look better than the pictures of the x10.
I think the only thing that's better on the satio (besides amount of mp) is the xenon flash.
I would like to see a direct comparison between the satio, c902 and x10.
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I'm not saying that x10 picture quality is not good, I am happy with it :-D
But I used both cameras and excluding the mp difference satio's photos are better due to cypershot technology. However, using 3rd party applications like vignette in x10 makes its photos much better and more professional ;-)
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

MJ_QaT said:
I'm not saying that x10 picture quality is not good, I am happy with it :-D
But I used both cameras and excluding the mp difference satio's photos are better due to cypershot technology. However, using 3rd party applications like vignette in x10 makes its photos much better and more professional ;-)
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
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I agree on that. The stock camera application uses too much compression. They don't finetune the software of the camera like with the cybershot phones.

X10 Camera sucks compared to Incredible S , Why ?

There's any h/w difference in camera btw X10 and Incredible s ? .. Both are a good 8 MP camera sensors but the photos shot with Incredible S are a lot crisp , clear and snappier , almost like shot with Digi Cam. What's the big difference ? ... Can our Devs for X10 improve photos quality ?

n4naveen said:
There's any h/w difference in camera btw X10 and Incredible s ? ..
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Sure there is h/w difference. They are two different phones hardware-wise.
n4naveen said:
Both are a good 8 MP camera sensors but the photos shot with Incredible S are a lot crisp , clear and snappier , almost like shot with Digi Cam. What's the big difference ? ... Can our Devs for X10 improve photos quality ?
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Have you tried comparing photos on your PC instead of the phones' displays?
Because the IncS has an AMOLED display, if I am not mistaken, thus the colors
should be more vibrant and the images sharper.

My_Immortal said:
Sure there is h/w difference. They are two different phones hardware-wise.
Have you tried comparing photos on your PC instead of the phones' displays?
Because the IncS has an AMOLED display, if I am not mistaken, thus the colors
should be more vibrant and the images sharper.
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+1. Also, x10 runs on 60k color =/ and i believe increS has 16 mil on it.

n4naveen said:
There's any h/w difference in camera btw X10 and Incredible s ? .. Both are a good 8 MP camera sensors but the photos shot with Incredible S are a lot crisp , clear and snappier , almost like shot with Digi Cam. What's the big difference ? ... Can our Devs for X10 improve photos quality ?
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My friend, the X10 camera is more than sufficient enough to get day to day great quality pics.
Learn the camera is the first thing you should do....experiment with it.
Sent from my X10 using XDA App

My_Immortal said:
Sure there is h/w difference. They are two different phones hardware-wise.
Have you tried comparing photos on your PC instead of the phones' displays?
Because the IncS has an AMOLED display, if I am not mistaken, thus the colors
should be more vibrant and the images sharper.
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Alright , I attached some pics taken from X10 and Incredible S , but won't mention which one is taken from which mobile ... You just try to pick the best ones in terms of clarity n crispness ... I will reveal the answer once u are done .. btw IncS has Clear LCD display .. and it seems that incS display is the best of all HTCs ..
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^umm no way...incS is a great phone but evolution 3d and sensation are better HTC phones
Sent from my X10 using XDA App

Yep, X10 camera damn good. But in dark you won't able to capture lol

OMG!! Jaipur!!

X10 camera is only capable to focus properly using cyanogen camera app or vignette. Stock app really fails to focus promptly..
And yes, our camera sensor sucks for taking night shots, its not about how many mp at all
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photos 1 n 2 are shot with Inc S
photos 3 n 4 are shot with X10
the difference is pretty obvious, isn't it ? .. 1 n 2 are very crisp !

n4naveen said:
photos 1 n 2 are shot with Inc S
photos 3 n 4 are shot with X10
the difference is pretty obvious, isn't it ? .. 1 n 2 are very crisp !
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try capturing same photo with both the devices!

xtbk9999 said:
X10 camera is only capable to focus properly using cyanogen camera app or vignette. Stock app really fails to focus promptly..
And yes, our camera sensor sucks for taking night shots, its not about how many mp at all
Sent from my SO-01C using XDA App
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I honestly experience just the oposite, getting better shots with stock cam, although vignette is great for filters and effects.
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Hey, I see what you are trying to say but you can't say it's a fair comparison if you don't take the same shot from both cameras...then we can really see the differences.
Your Jaipur-ish building picture honestly doesn't look great, even with the X10, it's too pixelated...my X10 takes much better shots than that in similar light.

to do a fair n honest comparin
the same pics has to b taken with both phones
its hard to say as the pics are all diff

worst camera xperia sp

Hi. I have xperia sp.
It has the worst 8MP camera i'v ever seen.
images and videos are always grainy no matter what light conditions are.
every image has noise. its quality is equivalent to some 2MP shooter.
Is any one experiencing same issue? Is this software issue or hardware??
Please help me. after spending so much of money m not at all happy with the camera quality.... feeling cheated
xperia SP

Clean your camera lens first..
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absolutely true. worst camera considering the brand Sony. Micromax has better camera than SP. cleaning camera lens or cover does not improve anything.
I regret buying this phone. should have gone for ZR

I us this camera mod http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2655322 on cm11 and it's nice.
Gesendet von meinem Xperia SP

Regretting buying a phone just because of crappy camera? And you feel cheated? It's not like Sony forced you to buy it and said its camera is excellent. In fact, all of the reviews say that the camera is bad and not good enough. Do some research before buying a phone. And don't expect wonders from a mid range with such high end specs
Sent from my C5303 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

No better pic. On the other ones are my family.
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For me it is not the worst. Stock 4.1.2. Superior auto mode. Indoor could be better though.
outdoor
indoor

my camera works just fine, you need to fine tune the settings

vvstorm2 said:
Hi. I have xperia sp.
It has the worst 8MP camera i'v ever seen.
images and videos are always grainy no matter what light conditions are.
every image has noise. its quality is equivalent to some 2MP shooter.
Is any one experiencing same issue? Is this software issue or hardware??
Please help me. after spending so much of money m not at all happy with the camera quality.... feeling cheated
xperia SP
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Don't worry...!! All the Xperia SP got worst camera like you...!! It has worst camera than all other sony devices I've used till now..!!

sell your phone and buy new a phone

Okay i do not get all of ur complaints bout xperia SP's camera
The camera is pretty good, ya we cant compare to high end devices, but its still pretty good man
I was able to take perfectly clear pics of cells with this camera via a microscope, which i cudnt using a iphone 5
First 3 pics are from 4.1
Other 3 are from 4.3
I do not get how you can say its really bad :-/
Just try to take multiple pics, then delete all except best, or use burst
Low light is not as good
Sent from my C5306 using xda app-developers app

honestly, the camera is fine, take it off superior auto and put it on manual and take a better pic, its not the camera its the photographer. now to prove this theory, please try and tell me what camera took this un-edited, un-filtered un modified pic

no_username_available said:
honestly, the camera is fine, take it off superior auto and put it on manual and take a better pic, its not the camera its the photographer. now to prove this theory, please try and tell me what camera took this un-edited, un-filtered un modified pic
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okay there is no argue here
that picture is just... OMG XD

thanks brotha, feel free to use the pic if you wish

Sadman Khan said:
Regretting buying a phone just because of crappy camera? And you feel cheated? It's not like Sony forced you to buy it and said its camera is excellent. In fact, all of the reviews say that the camera is bad and not good enough. Do some research before buying a phone. And don't expect wonders from a mid range with such high end specs
Sent from my C5303 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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i am saying this because i have compared pics taken by xperia sp and xperia L. (in auto mode and in manual mode with same settings.)
xperia L inspite of being cheaper than xperia sp has nice camera quality and much less noise whereas xperia sp always has noise which drastically reduces the quality as compared to xperia L (Which is cheaper 8MP shooter)
and i am saying it because sony is advertising xperia sp and xperia L both for 8 mp shooter with "Sony Exmor RS™ for mobile image sensor"
How the same sensor with same resolution can produce so much of noise on xperia sp

vvstorm2 said:
i am saying this because i have compared pics taken by xperia sp and xperia L. (in auto mode and in manual mode with same settings.)
xperia L inspite of being cheaper than xperia sp has nice camera quality and much less noise whereas xperia sp always has noise which drastically reduces the quality as compared to xperia L (Which is cheaper 8MP shooter)
and i am saying it because sony is advertising xperia sp and xperia L both for 8 mp shooter with "Sony Exmor RS™ for mobile image sensor"
How the same sensor with same resolution can produce so much of noise on xperia sp
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Because they have to sell both.
L for camera
SP for GPU and illumination bar.
These are market tactics and every manufacturer does it. Dont say you dont know this. My desire x was a low/midranger, with excellent camera, but crappy everything else. every set is made to sell for 1 or two points, and flagships are made to cover all of the points. simple.

neXus PRIME said:
Because they have to sell both.
L for camera
SP for GPU and illumination bar.
These are market tactics and every manufacturer does it. Dont say you dont know this. My desire x was a low/midranger, with excellent camera, but crappy everything else. every set is made to sell for 1 or two points, and flagships are made to cover all of the points. simple.
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Can i use any specific custom ROM for xperia SP which will have a better camera than what stock ROM has.??

vvstorm2 said:
Can i use any specific custom ROM for xperia SP which will have a better camera than what stock ROM has.??
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Changing ROM wont change camera result. however you can try some camera apps from play store. like camera mx and camera 360 etc...
Some focus issues are solved by using 3rd paarty apps. But still, nothing great or extraordinary. Its a decent camera, not a world-beater. you have to accept and live with the fact like all of us. cheers

no_username_available said:
my camera works just fine, you need to fine tune the settings
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Do you have any settings to take a nice picture? Please share
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meshramjatin said:
Do you have any settings to take a nice picture? Please share
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i change the settings after every pic but i will post what i generally do
First of all put the phone in manual mode auto is ok but not great
set the focus to single auto focus
put on image stabilizer
you should put the phone to take 5mp 16:9 photos not 8mp 4:3
when you are about to take the picture set the exposure so that the pic isnt too bright or too dark
set the white balance now and change it till the pic looks right
now you must click the camera shutter so it focuses the pic then after 1-2 seconds take the shot :good:

[Q] E7 camera and battery performance

Hi All,
This is my first thread in XDA forum, im currently looking to buy a new phone and E7 is on top of my list due to its solid specification.
Could you kinldy let me how does the camera compare to otherflagship devices,
i dont usually play games but im online a lot , can i go through a day with a single charge on this mobile.
I rellay dont like the amigo UI but i believe i can install other launcher on this with no problems.

pema.yozer said:
Hi All,
This is my first thread in XDA forum, im currently looking to buy a new phone and E7 is on top of my list due to its solid specification.
Could you kinldy let me how does the camera compare to otherflagship devices,
i dont usually play games but im online a lot , can i go through a day with a single charge on this mobile.
I rellay dont like the amigo UI but i believe i can install other launcher on this with no problems.
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Welcome to the XDA..If u dont have an issue with upgrades(want 4.4,4.5.....),brand names,poor amigo OS(An upgrade is on its way for E7) then its a good buy. Talking about the camera.yes its good macro shots are awesome but with other flagship are like little ahead(my experience).
Battery backup is one day with normal use.I think battery backup is quite good seeing the specs and the display.

camera is really good.
GTARaja said:
Welcome to the XDA..If u dont have an issue with upgrades(want 4.4,4.5.....),brand names,poor amigo OS(An upgrade is on its way for E7) then its a good buy. Talking about the camera.yes its good macro shots are awesome but with other flagship are like little ahead(my experience).
Battery backup is one day with normal use.I think battery backup is quite good seeing the specs and the display.
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camera is awesome but how can u take macro shots without a macro mode in the camera????? der is no macro mode.

drbothra1 said:
camera is awesome but how can u take macro shots without a macro mode in the camera????? der is no macro mode.
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just use any other camera app with macro mode on...Camera FV-5 for an example..

awesome colors but noisy
i found that while the camera is very good for macro shots, and being such a great hardware(it can support 4k video recording) I don't understand why there is so much noise when you zoom the image. even daylight photos looks grainy when you zoom a little bit. i mean its freakin 16 mp am i not supposed to zoom in to see details. but also I'm no expert in photography or cameras

dhirajranger said:
i found that while the camera is very good for macro shots, and being such a great hardware(it can support 4k video recording) I don't understand why there is so much noise when you zoom the image. even daylight photos looks grainy when you zoom a little bit. i mean its freakin 16 mp am i not supposed to zoom in to see details. but also I'm no expert in photography or cameras
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yeah macro shots are good but the edges of other clicks is quite noisy...cant do anything...even xperia z pics are noisy when compared to E7.....

GTARaja said:
yeah macro shots are good but the edges of other clicks is quite noisy...cant do anything...even xperia z pics are noisy when compared to E7.....
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Hi, which is generally better about camera? Elife E7 or xperia Z? I'm planning to buy its another country verison(e7). Have you got any bad experience(screen, camera, case quality...) to not to buy E7 phone?.
Sorry for bad English.

sonicc34 said:
Hi, which is generally better about camera? Elife E7 or xperia Z? I'm planning to buy its another country verison(e7). Have you got any bad experience(screen, camera, case quality...) to not to buy E7 phone?.
Sorry for bad English.
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i personally feel elife e7 camera is better than sony z

GTARaja said:
i personally feel elife e7 camera is better than sony z
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I think so too!!
fast and clearly, easy to cache, but gionee give up it!

New way to take great photos with absurde quality (.PNG)

Hey everyone.
Today I searched in store some kind of camera app with macro focus feature (too bad Sony Camera lacks this.)
So I came across Camera FV-5. Nice interface, but still a Sony UI fan. Anyway, besides the macro focus, under Settings I found the option to save pictures as .PNG.
I knew it has a better compression, almost lossless, compared to the common and easy-to-process .JPEG, so I took one photo outside (ISO 50, AutoFocus, a bit lowered exposure) and one indoor (without flash, yellow/orange 60W lightbulb as source of light in the room, same settings as above.)
I was pretty impressed by the quality. It takes some time to process the image fully, Album firstly doesn't even recognize the photo as existent. Afterwards, it takes ages to load the cache when double-tap zoom.
Anyway, see how nice, crisp and clear photos our phones can take - with absolute no post-editing.
Taken with Z3 Compact with Cyberian Camera MOD.
BTW, the files are huge. One is 21.7 MB and the other over 25. That means 1 pixel is over 1 byte. Cool.
OUTSIDE VIEW
INSIDE ENERGY BAR

Wow - that shot of the candy bar is VERY impressive. Too bad the file size is so ridiculously large. Can you show us the same picture taken using the Sony Superior Auto Mode (8MP)?

PuffDaddy_d said:
Can you show us the same picture taken using the Sony Superior Auto Mode (8MP)?
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I've attached 8MP and 20 MP versions, Superior Auto Mode.
And thanks to Cyberian MOD, I'm lucky to have macro auto-scene on 20MP also.
Also, massive improvement in quality overall, the Z5 Camera libs really work great.

Now that I can see them side by side, it still appears that the Sony camera app reduces noise better than the 3rd party app. I had a similar experience in a comparison thread I created a while back as well.
Sent from the only flagship phone that actually fits in my hand... The Sony Xperia Z3 Compact

weekender90 said:
I've attached 8MP and 20 MP versions, Superior Auto Mode.
And thanks to Cyberian MOD, I'm lucky to have macro auto-scene on 20MP also.
Also, massive improvement in quality overall, the Z5 Camera libs really work great.
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Not bad for a macro shot. Here's mine using the Slim Rom i been using for couple of months.
I just used the sony camera with z5 camera libs, set to auto 8MP (4:3).

yoorie016 said:
Not bad for a macro shot. Here's mine using the Slim Rom i been using for couple of months.
I just used the sony camera with z5 camera libs, set to auto 8MP (4:3).
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Oh my god, I'm in love with your photos...
Gonna flash this today and compare the results very strictly before and after flashing

romcio47 said:
Oh my god, I'm in love with your photos...
Gonna flash this today and compare the results very strictly before and after flashing
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Thanks I didn't make any tweaks, i just used the auto and set the aspect ration to 4:3.
here's another one, and saved on JPEG format.

Jep im using open camera and snap camera they also give simelar results. I dont know why sony gave such a bad stock camera the difference is huge
The sony camera takes better pictures now than my galaxy s6

jody2k said:
Jep im using open camera and snap camera they also give simelar results. I dont know why sony gave such a bad stock camera the difference is huge
The sony camera takes better pictures now than my galaxy s6
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So stock camera is now better?

doriandiaconu said:
So stock camera is now better?
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No i mean with open camera or snap camera its waayy better than stock camera

jody2k said:
No i mean with open camera or snap camera its waayy better than stock camera
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What rom are you using?
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jody2k said:
Jep im using open camera and snap camera they also give simelar results. I dont know why sony gave such a bad stock camera the difference is huge
The sony camera takes better pictures now than my galaxy s6
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I have a hard time agreeing with you. I tried to compare the stock camera software to various 3rd party software (including Open Camera) and the results indicated that Sony's produces better images:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/sonys-camera-isnt-worse-t3102790