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Why only one usb!!!!!!
I think that anotherone may be very very usefull....
OR NOT?
Anyone agree?
For what?
pitt1983 said:
Why only one usb!!!!!!
I think that anotherone may be very very usefull....
OR NOT?
Anyone agree?
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What do you wanna use it for? havent used mine a single time since i got the device.
ehm..
ehm..
usb key and mouse,
usb key and an external hdd
2 external hdd
mouse and external hdd
2 usb pen
an external dvd that need 2 usb
included hub need 2 usb
and i think many many many others uses
You get a free USB hub with Ethernet !!
Included in the package is a USB hub with 3 ports, AND an ETHERNET port !
Nice... I really do like my device
pitt1983 said:
ehm..
included hub need 2 usb
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really ? why would they put a usb hub that does not work with the shift... seems weird !
everybody here is using the usb hub without any issue I believe.. because they would have complained earlier
The (much bigger) MacBook AIR also has only one USB port... and Apple doesn't include an 3port-USB-Hub with embedded ethernet port - the shift does.
But there are of course also technical reasons (besides space): Power! An additional USB Port would require additinal power (up to 0,5A at 5V) - thus, the internal power system must be bigger sized for this (and an "oversized" internal power system means: Inefficent under normal operating conditions).
And remember: Most USB Disks draw more than 0,5A from the USB port, especially at spinup time...
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included hub need 2 usb
and i think many many many others uses
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not true. Did you try it ?
no need usb?
so noone need another usb?
I love my shift! i waited for it one year.
but i think that one more usb port can be more useful.
i repeat. LOVE THAT SHIFT!
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not true. Did you try it ?
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if you use htc hub and two portable usb hdd you can't use them. or if i use an external dvd that bring alimentation by usb i can use it.
sorry for my english.
pitt1983 said:
if you use htc hub and two portable usb hdd you can't use them. or if i use an external dvd that bring alimentation by usb i can use it.
sorry for my english.
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ok I see what you mean .. mmh well.. maybe you can find an usb hub with external power ? it would solve all the issues
external power
koala996 said:
ok I see what you mean .. mmh well.. maybe you can find an usb hub with external power ? it would solve all the issues
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when i'm in office or at home i use an external power cable directly connected to the htc hub. but is not comfortable.
and when i'm out or in others places i can't use external power cable.
in my opinion not comfortable anymore.
Isn't the small USB port at the back of the Hub just power in? I didn't try yet, but it is obviously a IN port.
Axel
These usb options are great but I think you missing the point of the shift.
The shift is supposed to be a portable device, are you really going to bring all those wired devices with you? Do you really want to be connecting all that up each time you get to work or your desk at home? everyday?
Why not use bluetooth devices?
keyboard and mouse -bluetooth for sure.
Same goes for the pens, portable scanners and printers almost all of them can be found with a bluetooth options.
Hell I even use bluetooth devices for the serial connections on the routers and switches I work with.
Now your external dvd and hardrive to replace those you have to get creative -
For home and work I always map a drive from a desktop machine.
On the road you have a couple of options with flash drives at 16gb for $50-70 bucks do really need that old external harddrive that uses two ports?
32GB flash drives are now as low as $150. Quite few dvd's you can fit on that!
If you really want to be free of carrying stuff around sign up for sugarsync or some other online service and never carry your data again.
I almost never use the external usb hub that came with the shift. It is a last resort item for me, destined for the bottom of the laptop bag. Wifi, 3g and no cables will always be prefered over that thing.
You may like sticking with usb cable/dongle devices but consider switching a few out for more wireless solutions and I think you will like your shift a whole lot better. That rats nest of cables in your laptop bag will shink as well!
I am not knocking you question or the advise others have given just offering an alternative.
My dream is for somebody to find a way to charge the battery on my shift without a cable connected then I will die a happy man.
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Isn't the small USB port at the back of the Hub just power in? I didn't try yet, but it is obviously a IN port.
Axel
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yes is a power in port. if shift had 2 ports i can be able to use it whitout a power connector at wall (sorry for the expression) i don't know how to say it in english.
however shift have one only usb port. and it is not comfortable.
stormforger said:
These usb options are great but I think you missing the point of the shift.
The shift is supposed to be a portable device, are you really going to bring all those wired devices with you? Do you really want to be connecting all that up each time you get to work or your desk at home? everyday?
Why not use bluetooth devices?
keyboard and mouse -bluetooth for sure.
Same goes for the pens, portable scanners and printers almost all of them can be found with a bluetooth options.
Hell I even use bluetooth devices for the serial connections on the routers and switches I work with.
Now your external dvd and hardrive to replace those you have to get creative -
For home and work I always map a drive from a desktop machine.
On the road you have a couple of options with flash drives at 16gb for $50-70 bucks do really need that old external harddrive that uses two ports?
32GB flash drives are now as low as $150. Quite few dvd's you can fit on that!
If you really want to be free of carrying stuff around sign up for sugarsync or some other online service and never carry your data again.
I almost never use the external usb hub that came with the shift. It is a last resort item for me, destined for the bottom of the laptop bag. Wifi, 3g and no cables will always be prefered over that thing.
You may like sticking with usb cable/dongle devices but consider switching a few out for more wireless solutions and I think you will like your shift a whole lot better. That rats nest of cables in your laptop bag will shink as well!
I am not knocking you question or the advise others have given just offering an alternative.
My dream is for somebody to find a way to charge the battery on my shift without a cable connected then I will die a happy man.
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yeah charging batteries without power cord maybe the century revelation. i hope will be a reality...
i return to my argument ( always sorry for my english)
online storage are not very fast.. or capable for the gigabites that i need to carry with me.
every day i need to put on my pc's, shift included, customers files, personal files, try many new programs. and these actions (you well know on microsoft may destroy very fast a system configuration). an you know that vista business and ultimate have an usefull utility of backup. i need to backup and restore many times in a week or in a day my sistem. so, i need to carry with me many hdd or 8gb pen drive..
and this is my problem..
EinSiedler said:
Isn't the small USB port at the back of the Hub just power in? I didn't try yet, but it is obviously a IN port.
Axel
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if you put your mobile phone power cord in the htc hub will be feeded up.
now when hub is feeded you can put more hdd or an external dvd. but if you unput power cord the dvd or the hdds not work yet...
Did you plug a power supply in the mini usb plug on the back? This is a powered USB hub.
i think htc could of added more usb ports but the biggest problem was the space. more usb ports could of made it bigger. never disassembled or looked at the disassembly pics close but im guessing there is no more room really.
Pawel062 said:
i think htc could of added more usb ports but the biggest problem was the space. more usb ports could of made it bigger. never disassembled or looked at the disassembly pics close but im guessing there is no more room really.
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i saw by a cinese or corean site the shift got naked, i think that there is some littlle space to put another usb port. i think.
Erhhh its a umpc not a workstation
pitt1983 said:
ehm..
usb key and mouse,
usb key and an external hdd
2 external hdd
mouse and external hdd
2 usb pen
an external dvd that need 2 usb
included hub need 2 usb
and i think many many many others uses
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This is not a workstation, if you need a all this you may have bought the wrong form factor. i have never used my usb port, i dont see what i should connect to this form factor, maybe a usb stick once in a while..
else use the usb hub and bluetooth mouse/keyboard
Just wondering what people have tried to connect to their SGS2s via OTG cables... I have tried the following:
Working:
Generic Logitech wireless mouse via USB wireless dongle
Logitech MX1000 wireless mouse via MX's docking station
Genius USB laser mouse
8GB micro SD card via USB adaptor
64GB SSD USB HDD via y-splitter for additional power
Wireless USB mini keyboard with touchpad (the touchpad worked perfectly & CTRL-ALT-DEL rebooted the phone!!!)
Not working:
Samsung ML-2240 laser printer (recognized but won't print)
Logitech STX webcam (unknown device)
Generic bluetooth USB dongle (unknown device)
87 views and no-one else plugging random USB **** into their phone? Just me then, lol.
i tried to plug in via usb:
generic usb mouse
many usb keys from 2 - 16gb
via bluetooth:
mouse
not working via usb:
generic keyboard
via hdmi and working:
lg lcd tv
projector philips
but via hdmi subtitles was not shown, only on phone
i will try printers today...
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Generic bluetooth USB dongle (unknown device)
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Would be kind of pointless anyway.
When my SGS2 and an OTG arrive, I will test some of my hardware(G15(gaming keyboard with lcd display), Razer Diamondback(mouse), Saitek Cyborg EVO(Joystick), HD2(Android phone) and if I ever have too much money and time, something like THIS and of course USB storage devices from 16MB-1,5TB etc. ) Will let you guys know how everything works.
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I will test some of my hardware(G15(gaming keyboard with lcd display
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I tried my Logitech G15 and didn't have much success. Connected directly, it's simply a high power USB device, and via a powered hub, it sometimes is detected, usually isn't (seems to depend in what order it's connected). Regardless, I haven't managed to make it function correctly.
On the other hand, my Logitech MX 518 mouse works great connected directly.
My Logitech Webcam 9000 Pro is detected (even directly), but is unrecognized.
I did some tests with the OTG.
Working:
All USB sticks I tested with.
Keychain Spycam. You can even charge it with the phone Only the webcame mode doesn't work
Some old Logitech wireless notebook mouse
Standard Logitech mouse (one that came with a pc)
Not working:
NTFS drive(Haven't tried the NTFS drivers)
HTC HD2-ADB: High power device. Can't test with powered HUB, because the only one I have is the one in my pc display and that doesn't seem to work with my SGS2.
Razer Diamondback:High power device.
Logitech G15:High power device. (as reported above)
Saitek Cyborg Evo (Joystick):The LEDs in the joystick are working, but whatever I press, nothing happens on the device.
Cheap keyboard with backlight:High power device.
Edit: of courses wifi, Bluetooth and UMTS/HSDPA aren't working over otg either xD
Will update when I try more devices
Has anyone tried if it works with a Logitech G700 ?
Do I need 2.3.4 for all this ? I've heard I do ..
I was wondering if a usb dvb-t tuner should work to watch tv( i didn't try).
Hope someone will test it
Connected my digital camera Sony CyberShot DSC-W300 with USB and a new folder appeared in the Gallery app with all the pictures, impressed.
Didn't work with a Canon G5.
I tried a generic USB mouse and keyboard, several flash drives and my wireless mini-keyboard/mouse-combo via USB dongle
Everything worked
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Do I need 2.3.4 for all this ? I've heard I do ..
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Nope, works on 2.3.3 as well.
Samsung implemented the host stuff from the start on.
Just wondering which OTG cables you guys are using. Also are there externally powered versions available (to power devices with higher requirements)?
I use a cheap 9 bucks one from the ew-Bay.
One day I left the wireless dongle for my minikeyboard/-mouse thing connected - phone was in standby all day, but battery was dead empty after a few hours *lol*
Xbox 360 wired controller : recognized as unknown device, lovely it looks it's NOT a power eating controller ! Lights turn on ok
Apple iPad 1G : could work great (device well mounting at first) but it's recognized as high power device, so... Not working.
Sony PSP : Works perfect
Another android phone (Xperia x10i) : guest detects well USB connection, it charges battery (!) and USB mount works. However, host doesn't detect anything.
I tryied my usb 3 drive formated with ntfs and it worked,:good: played mkv video nice and smooth.
As for the cable I bought it on ebay just standard otg cable
I tried Logitech M310 mouse and K360 keyboard both worked.
Can't find any OTG cable in my area :/ and Ebay is not supported in PK yet
ii7Stryker said:
Can't find any OTG cable in my area :/ and Ebay is not supported in PK yet
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Try dealextreme - free shipping worldwide. I bought OTG for about two dollars.
Thanks for telling , I will order it from them .
ii7Stryker said:
Thanks for telling , I will order it from them .
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I have this one from DealExtreme: Micro USB Male to USB Female OTG Cable for Samsung Galaxy S2/i9100/Nokia N8 + More
Hello, I want to know how many USB-Devices you can use, assuming you use a normal USB-OTG cable and a cheap USB hub (without external power supply). How many devices can Android theoretically recognize? Is it possible to use a keyboard, mouse and USB stick/HDD? Would be cool if someone could try this....
Thanks in advance!
m1s73r said:
Hello, I want to know how many USB-Devices you can use, assuming you use a normal USB-OTG cable and a cheap USB hub (without external power supply). How many devices can Android theoretically recognize? Is it possible to use a keyboard, mouse and USB stick/HDD? Would be cool if someone could try this....
Thanks in advance!
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Android can recognize as many devices as there are USB hub ports, check out this video (I know it's for the Galaxy S3 but the idea is the same) specifically 2:50 seconds on using a USB hub with mouse, keyboard, and other accessories.
shimp208 said:
Android can recognize as many devices as there are USB hub ports, check out this video (I know it's for the Galaxy S3 but the idea is the same) specifically 2:50 seconds on using a USB hub with mouse, keyboard, and other accessories.
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Thanks, but I think the hub used in the video has an external power supply. At 3:50 you can see the black round cable...
m1s73r said:
Thanks, but I think the hub used in the video has an external power supply. At 3:50 you can see the black round cable...
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It should work the same with a non powered USB except that power will be drawn from the tablets battery power instead of an external power supply.
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I tried to use multiple usb flash drives but they were not compatible with the aosp roms otg storage implementations. It recognized the first and after adding the second it didnt recognize it, but the first onewas still tdhere
I think in this case its simply not implemented
I will try flash drive + mouse/keyboard and give feedback when i have time
xeTaiz said:
I tried to use multiple usb flash drives but they were not compatible with the aosp roms otg storage implementations. It recognized the first and after adding the second it didnt recognize it, but the first onewas still tdhere
I think in this case its simply not implemented
I will try flash drive + mouse/keyboard and give feedback when i have time
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I tried for a couple of days to tweak the implementation in my kernel mod so that multiple usb drives could be mounted, i took pointers from my s3, but it seems samsung have further mods, probably to vold in their own brand devices and i couldnt for the life of me get it to recognise more than one device on the n10.
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I think a powered hub is the way to go if you're using multiple devices as I'm sure there's a limit as to how much power the USB port can supply to your devices. You may find that several flash drives work fine together with a powered hub and I would try to get one with a 5v 2a adaptor if possible to give you flexibility to plug virtually anything in you wish simultaneously
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Without a powered hub the deciding factor for how many devices you can use is going to be how much power each device draws... And that will vary from device to device.
I, personally, have had a keyboard, wireless mouse, flash drive and Xbox controller all connected at the same time with an unpowered hub.
Yeah, multiple flash drives and especially external USB spinners tend to draw a lot more power. Input devices (keyboards, mice, joypads) use very little power but a combination of several may be enough to give you intermittent operation and a few issues.
Usually when people start connecting keyboards and suchlike, they're going to be at a desk so should have access to a wall socket anyway; powered hubs tend to make multiple devices work better as it's a stable power supply available.
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do you think the n10 provides less poser on its usb bus than a pc or laptop? i think its able to provide the same power as my pc and 3 usb sticks + wireless keyboard/mouse work perfectly with a non powered hub...
btw. i just tried the hub with 1 flash + mouse+ keyboard, works perfectly (aosp rom 2nd dec version i think)
xeTaiz said:
do you think the n10 provides less poser on its usb bus than a pc or laptop? i think its able to provide the same power as my pc and 3 usb sticks + wireless keyboard/mouse work perfectly with a non powered hub...
btw. i just tried the hub with 1 flash + mouse+ keyboard, works perfectly (aosp rom 2nd dec version i think)
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I'm pretty certain that it does provide less; I have a 2.5" WD Passport HDD that is bus powered. My XOOM used to power it, my PC and laptops power it, but my Nexus 10 doesn't. The N10 certainly isn't pushing 500mA in host mode cause the drive can't even spin up on the power its receiving. It's a real shame cause I had hoped to power the HDD directly.
What I need now is a nice small powered hub that I can power from an emergency phone charger battery, like my Mili Power brick.
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I bought an unbranded OTG connector for my Z1. I connected a few common devices i.e. USB flash drive, mouse, wireless gamepad,
All worked. But then I tried all my mobile hard drivess, both USB 2.0 and 3.0. Didnt work at all. My z1 couldn't even get to recognize the device connected. The LED of the HD lights up so its getting power. I'm not sure if its getting enough power.
The OTG connector I bought was the long one. The cable is about 2 inches long. I'm not sure
if you call that the long OTG connector.
Any advice how i could I make the Z1 work with my mobile hard drives?
TIA!
minas_morgul said:
I bought an unbranded OTG connector for my Z1. I connected a few common devices i.e. USB flash drive, mouse, wireless gamepad,
All worked. But then I tried all my mobile hard drivess, both USB 2.0 and 3.0. Didnt work at all. My z1 couldn't even get to recognize the device connected. The LED of the HD lights up so its getting power. I'm not sure if its getting enough power.
The OTG connector I bought was the long one. The cable is about 2 inches long. I'm not sure
if you call that the long OTG connector.
Any advice how i could I make the Z1 work with my mobile hard drives?
TIA!
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What if you test with a drive that have ac adaptor?
I think you pretend too much from a phone device. I am sure there is not enough power to make it run with the Z1. The solution is to use double usb, first to Z1 the second to the charger or another USB, to power up the HDD. Also like @RHBH said if you use a HDD with the AC adapter and it's working that will clarified all.
Oh sorry I tried it W/O the AC adaptors types hard drives. The small WD passports ones.
Shouldn't it be working since the lights are on and the mobile seems to be running?
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Oh sorry I tried it W/O the AC adaptors types hard drives. The small WD passports ones.
Shouldn't it be working since the lights are on and the mobile seems to be running?
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Enough to power up the light but not enough to do his job. The reasons can be many but if any HDD with AC charger working and all type of storage, the answer is just one.
The OTG specs of the z1 and xz are the same, I can tell you that if you use a powered usb hub between the disk and the phone it will work just fine.
The power delivered to the disk is simply not enough.
I know the power output can actually be tweaked, but you run a serious risk of destroying your phones usb port.
Or maybe his HDD is not formatted in FAT.....
Well that is odd if I try to format it a 1TB hard drive to FAT. Isnt FAT already phase out in terms of drives over 40GB?
And about the power requirement, OTG + mobile hard drive works on other smartphones.
I bought my C903 online btw. Also, I have gone to Sony a awhile ago and tried to attach my mobile hard drives. None worked.
So I think that confirms it.
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Well that is odd if I try to format it a 1TB hard drive to FAT. Isnt FAT already phase out in terms of drives over 40GB?
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True.
minas_morgul said:
And about the power requirement, OTG + mobile hard drive works on other smartphones.
I bought my C903 online btw. Also, I have gone to Sony a awhile ago and tried to attach my mobile hard drives. None worked.
So I think that confirms it.
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I know you are disappointed but try to power up the HDD and see if working. This is not the solution but you get the reason why this happening.
I got 2 mobile HDD and I will test them on my Z1 and I will post the results, when I get the phone from Sony Center, but even if mine will not work I can expect that because is too much but I will be happy too if will work. I let you know.
BTW, can be even the OTG Cable, try different one, I got very heavy problems when I bought one really cheap.
You got a Clamp multimeter buddy? I don't know but I would like to assume there's not enough power to run your mobile HDD. If you do have some way of checking the amperes or wattage output of the OTG of Xperia Z1 and compare it against the required input of your mobile HDD maybe that would point out your issue. Having a non compatible filesystem format would still prompt your phone about a corrupt drive and would ask you to reformat it so it shouldn't be the issue. And as far as I know Xperia Z1 already supports exfat am I right? Or maybe you could at least just format the HDD to fat32 is you still want to check it out since fat32 is supported by default by android.
Depends in the size and usb 3 is not supported unless it had external power and as for format it has to be fat32 or exfat or it won't read out of all my android devices my Asus transformer where the only ones that supported all formats and sizes of hard drives because the docks have tons of extra power.
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Here's my simple little setup. Consists of two Logitech F310 controllers, Seagate 2TB USB 3.0 had drive, Pluggable Peripherals 7 port hub and of course the official controller. Also has a keyboard and mouse dongle plugged in. I'd love to see others. Post em! (BTW, forgive the white extension cable, it is actually connected to the hard drive as I am in the process of backing it up)
zektor said:
Here's my simple little setup. Consists of two Logitech F310 controllers, Seagate 2TB USB 3.0 had drive, Pluggable Peripherals 7 port hub and of course the official controller. Also has a keyboard and mouse dongle plugged in. I'd love to see others. Post em! (BTW, forgive the white extension cable, it is actually connected to the hard drive as I am in the process of backing it up)
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6months old photo, but still using the min combo BT keyboard, charge the AAA batteries on the TV usb with the USB hub under it.
And I keep the mojo on it's side.. i think it looks cool and lets the heat rise.
I'll take more pics when my other controller comes
gwaldo said:
6months old photo, but still using the min combo BT keyboard, charge the AAA batteries on the TV usb with the USB hub under it.
And I keep the mojo on it's side.. i think it looks cool and lets the heat rise.
I'll take more pics when my other controller comes
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Cool man. I have been wanting one of those mini BT keyboards!
zektor said:
Cool man. I have been wanting one of those mini BT keyboards!
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I wont recommend the mini nor the micro (button keys instead of real keys unless it a remote maybe), it's okay for quick surfing/emailing but not for chat etc.. great for my travel bag.. but I would use it more if was more fullsize... I need to replace my old wired keyboard mouse.. so i'll be looking for a fullsize BT combo.
From top left:
AverMedia Capture HD II C285, MOJO 4way USB hub, 32GB roms, cheap twin PS clone controllers on one USB, Behringer headset for late night gaming sessions.
My old USB keyboard and MS laser mouse, 7inch Hyundai T7s, Travel clip with my tablet mod.
MOJO CTRLR, retail CTRLR, Shintaro Mini Bluetooth Keyboard.
And under the TV I have a 4way USB hub powered by the TV's USB port.
Attached are two USB AA/AAA battery chargers and a retractable USB cable for the mini combo keyboard to charge.
Not that much really