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Hey guys.. im just a lil curious. I currently have a acer a500 and im kinda annoyed with acer support. When got me looking into returning it for an asus eee transformer, until I saw that this was released! Im im sure you guys are a little biased, but if you could have your choice of any pad would you buy the samsung again? my concern is mostly devs.... not a lot going on for the acer imo.

thejondude said:
Hey guys.. im just a lil curious. I currently have a acer a500 and im kinda annoyed with acer support. When got me looking into returning it for an asus eee transformer, until I saw that this was released! Im im sure you guys are a little biased, but if you could have your choice of any pad would you buy the samsung again? my concern is mostly devs.... not a lot going on for the acer imo.
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The choice is yours. If you want expandable storage, HDMI out, and save 100 bucks out of the box go with transformer. If you want a polished device all around, nice screen and have cash to burn on the things mentioned above - go with Samsung.
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thejondude said:
Hey guys.. im just a lil curious. I currently have a acer a500 and im kinda annoyed with acer support. When got me looking into returning it for an asus eee transformer, until I saw that this was released! Im im sure you guys are a little biased, but if you could have your choice of any pad would you buy the samsung again? my concern is mostly devs.... not a lot going on for the acer imo.
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yeah the apparent lack of dev support and locked bootloader (at the time) is why I returned my A500. Decided there really wasn't much I really needed all those ports for personally. Tried to test drive a TF at Fry's but the touchscreen wouldn't respond even after i rebooted. When I pointed it out to sales guy he said that was the 2nd display that stopped working which I took as a bad sign. So far pretty happy with my decision because the GT is much easier to handle and I've seen quite a few familiar names dev-wise showing up here.
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dsEVOlve said:
yeah the apparent lack of dev support and locked bootloader (at the time) is why I returned my A500. Decided there really wasn't much I really needed all those ports for personally. Tried to test drive a TF at Fry's but the touchscreen wouldn't respond even after i rebooted. When I pointed it out to sales guy he said that was the 2nd display that stopped working which I took as a bad sign. So far pretty happy with my decision because the GT is much easier to handle and I've seen quite a few familiar names dev-wise showing up here.
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ya ive heard the TF flexes alot.... is the GT more solid feeling? thanks for the reply pretty much exactly what i was thinking and looking to confirm . as long as the 30pin samsung port works with 3g dongles and keyboards im happy!

I had the acer for a couple weeks, then this tab came out and I returned the acer. To me it was more about DEV, I figured we would see custom ROMs faster on theGalaxy.
Thee device itself is much lighter, faster, and I didnt use any of the ports.
I actually had to return two of the acers cause they just kept force closing an the hardware/build was sketchy.
I am totally happy with the tab

thejondude said:
ya ive heard the TF flexes alot.... is the GT more solid feeling? thanks for the reply pretty much exactly what i was thinking and looking to confirm . as long as the 30pin samsung port works with 3g dongles and keyboards im happy!
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Is it more solid....if you mean does any part of it feel like it will come loose or feel cheap then no it just feels lighter than the A500 and Xoom. It seemed like people making an argument for the Xoom always equated its weight with a solid feel which I didn't understand. The A500 felt lighter but also felt more solid than the Xoom IMO.
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How is the "bloatware" content and ease of rooting? I had an Iconia 500 (returned 'cause I was a little afraid of ****ty Acer support and lack of dev support) but the Acer had a minimum of bloat and root was dead easy.

docfreed said:
How is the "bloatware" content and ease of rooting? I had an Iconia 500 (returned 'cause I was a little afraid of ****ty Acer support and lack of dev support) but the Acer had a minimum of bloat and root was dead easy.
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There are only two apps from Samsung prepossessing, a music market app (Music Hub) and Samsung's own market app. Rooting isn't one click or accomplished via an apk like Gingerbreak on the Acer (which I think I read doesn't even work on the 3.1 update). If you have a little experience with ADB and using a command prompt you prob won't find it difficult to root. The only issue I had was getting the Samsung drivers installed but that was more of an annoyance than anything else. The instructions are really pretty straightforward. I think someone is working on a script to run the root commands but I haven't seen it yet.
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returned my acer and got a samsung 16gig 10.1 today... little sad that my bootloader is locked but eah im sure with time this will get fixed. my acer was faster and no lag like my samsung does, but the samsung has more potential imo.

As an owner of both the Transformer and the Galaxy Tab 10.1 at the moment (will return one soon), I can give you some unbiased advice.
The Galaxy Tab is definitely the better tablet, as is. Meaning if you're not looking to spend any more money after you've paid for the tablet, you'll get the better tablet with the Galaxy Tab (of course, it's $100 more). The build quality is superior. It's thinner/light etc.
However, if you're looking for a tablet with more hardware features, then the Asus Transformer is obviously the clear winner.
The only concern I have with the Galaxy Tab is support from Samsung. Asus have been nothing but awesome. 3.1 firmware 3 weeks after announcement then kernel source shortly after. The Galaxy Tab came out with 3.1 so no idea how it will turn out... I haven't had a chance to own any Samsung phone but I've heard horror stories regarding Samsung's support. But I'm sure we'll have xda's excellent communities to help out with either tablet.

Motorola xoom , is it good?

hi everyone , ive just bought my motorola xoom mz604 , and i think its awesome because android honeycomb is really good OS, it is fast and smooth
but iam having some problems with installing apps, and i realized that most of them aren't compitable with the xoom, like the android games hawx, assassins creed and modern combat 2...
anyways i just wanted to know the adv and dis-adv of my device from an expert
thnx =)
sorry for my bad english

Answering the question in your title, the xoom IS good... very good, in fact. Sure there are a few apps here and there that do not work, but for the most part, everything runs fine. Additionally, the new scaling option in 3.2 ensures that more apps are functional. I simply love the beauty and elegance of honeycomb, and I still find the xoom to be my preferred method to obtain the honeycomb experience. Plus, being Google's reference HC device, we get all of the updates first.

I like it
3.1/3.2 is brill for emulators too when you connect up a ps3 controller via usb!

Im thinking of returning my tab for the xoom thoughts?
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kwiggington said:
Im thinking of returning my tab for the xoom thoughts?
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What about the Galaxy Tab displeases you and makes you want to switch to the Xoom? They are about even on features and such, with the Galaxy being slightly lighter and thinner.

Ummmm. Its the "google dev" device. With that said...
Moto is a horrible company
The xoom 3g has turned into the last tab to recieve updates
Still no promised 4g
Sd support is only soso...
I would recommend a samsung device...the xoom is a bastardized piece of hardware. Go with a device that is "popular" thus will be supported more....not the xoom

csseale said:
...the xoom is a bastardized piece of hardware. Go with a device that is "popular" thus will be supported more....not the xoom
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I couldn't disagree more, but to each his own...

I'm plenty happy with mine, just a wifi though and no cell network model. That, honestly, is probably the issue with slow updates just like it is for my epic: the company that runs the network it's attached to wants to manage its stuff (aka install crap and extra 'features') and is slowing down the process. Sprint is HORRIBLE with this.
As for why I chose the xoom over others - part of it was price, it was the $400 32gb wifi model off woot.com. Second was that it has actual ports on it (micro-usb, mini-hdmi, etc) and not some proprietary jack *cough*galaxytab*cough* that you need to hook up some dorky dongle to in order to get a usb port.

I'm pissed that the Xoom 3.2 update only let's you read the SD card but not write. That's ass backwards to me.
I have to root this thing to get that basic feature. I think they still haven't figured out the issue that devs figured out. Other than that I like it and apps are slowly starting to catch up.
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Like most of the respondents to this thread, I have been very happy with my Xoom. I have had the chance to play about with most of its major rivals in the 10 inch space (The Transformer and the Iconia and a 7 inch Tab) and while each has pros and cons (and nearly identical tech specs), I prefer the Xoom for several reasons...
The build quality is excellent. The device feels solid and durable while also giving off a sense of luxury. Most people who have handled it have commented on how "high-end" the Xoom feels.
As a Google experience device (thanks to special ordering a US model), the Xoom has the best chance of the current crop of tablets to run Ice Cream Sandwich well in a few months.
The XDA community for the Xoom is the best developed of the current slew of tablets with many excellent developers and plenty of other users willing to help and guide you (and "gently" remind you when you are being an idiot).
I like the design of the Xoom, with the power button recessed on the gently curved back. The placement works well for me and I prefer it to having the power button on the front of the edge of the tablet.
Those are my reasons for choosing the Xoom as the first amongst equals, but as always, ymmv. I suggest you find a store with demo models of most brands and see which one feels right to you.

JanetPanic said:
What about the Galaxy Tab displeases you and makes you want to switch to the Xoom? They are about even on features and such, with the Galaxy being slightly lighter and thinner.
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I like vanilla android and dont want touchwiz or the crap apps itll have
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Plus no sd slot and only one port
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kwiggington said:
I like vanilla android and dont want touchwiz or the crap apps itll have
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Fair Enough. Touchwiz might be able to be disabled when it comes out but maybe not. The xoom comes with a bit of crapware itself, dungeon defender and cordy are the ones that come to mind though there may be more.
It would not be worth the cost to me but to each his own. You could probably find a xoom owner who is fed up with Motorola enough to do a trade.

xoom
I totally agree with you. I bought mine with a $100 off coupon from staples. I initially wanted to buy the tranformer now looking back I dont regret my purchase. Love my xoom.
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Like most of the respondents to this thread, I have been very happy with my Xoom. I have had the chance to play about with most of its major rivals in the 10 inch space (The Transformer and the Iconia and a 7 inch Tab) and while each has pros and cons (and nearly identical tech specs), I prefer the Xoom for several reasons...
The build quality is excellent. The device feels solid and durable while also giving off a sense of luxury. Most people who have handled it have commented on how "high-end" the Xoom feels.
As a Google experience device (thanks to special ordering a US model), the Xoom has the best chance of the current crop of tablets to run Ice Cream Sandwich well in a few months.
The XDA community for the Xoom is the best developed of the current slew of tablets with many excellent developers and plenty of other users willing to help and guide you (and "gently" remind you when you are being an idiot).
I like the design of the Xoom, with the power button recessed on the gently curved back. The placement works well for me and I prefer it to having the power button on the front of the edge of the tablet.
Those are my reasons for choosing the Xoom as the first amongst equals, but as always, ymmv. I suggest you find a store with demo models of most brands and see which one feels right to you.
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I hope it's good Mine should be here tomorrow

I just exchanged the tab must say i like the xoom better and i already have a spare 16gb sd
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drsteven2 said:
I totally agree with you. I bought mine with a $100 off coupon from staples. I initially wanted to buy the tranformer now looking back I dont regret my purchase. Love my xoom.
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I second that
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4g is coming in sept. Per verizon
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Good, solid hardware.
Mine was rooted 5 minutes out of the box, so I have had SD R/W since day one.

gqstatus0685 said:
I'm pissed that the Xoom 3.2 update only let's you read the SD card but not write. That's ass backwards to me.
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I had to fiddle around with the formatting in order to make it work, but I know the problem you had and eventually got around it. Try ntfs, fat, or whatever - just mess around with it in your computer until you find one that it likes. I forget offhand what made mine happy.

Thinking of getting an a500.

I was wondering how the scene is on the a500. I'm interested in one, but I know nothing about them to reallu distinguish what's what yet. Its pretty much between this, an xoom or the HP touchpad.
Sure this could be biased but I hope someone can offer me good advice based on knowledge not fan boys.
Can Netflix be played on all of those? Any other issues? I'd want to root whatever I get. I know HP TP isn't android.....yet
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Well the HP is out of the question as it's been discontinued. The Xoom is more expensive and offers nothing the Acer doesn't; yet the Acer has Standard & Micro usb and better sound. There are others reasons but really with the choices you provided the choice is clear.

Well, my opinion, and I had the HP TouchPad, and now the Iconia, is to go with the Iconia. The HP fiasco has messed up webOS enough that everything done to it will be from the after market so to speak. Plus to get Android on it will take a long time. I had it for a month and just was not happy with it.
Now I have the Iconia and love it compared to any other tablet mainly because of all the accessory ports. Development with the Iconia is a little difficult as there are many versions because of the world distribution. But the Roms seem to be multilanguage.
I don't now much about the Zoom but I have read complaints about it. Mainly expandability.
Short opinion, but hope it helps somewhat.

Yeah I have a 3.41 fw jailbroke ps3 that I'm looking to trade. They guy with the Acer said he rather get money than trade. I have someone offering a 32gb HP TP. So yeaH. Supposedly they are close to getting cm on the TP.
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A500 ....they call me mister popularity

Just a small paragraph to say I'm pretty pleased with this tablet and honeycomb development.
As an early buyer of this tablet ( from the first day in Best Buy in NYC) and having sort the problems of 3.0, 3.1 and 3.2 releases, I'm happy with the way this is working out.
Acer Iconia is a great tablet and it has been selled by far over Acer expectations. Now it is getting ATT selling it on contract.
As I see this in a very optimistic way, the more the merrier as Acer should respond to their clients and provide updates and improvements for us.
That's all for now...just a happy dude with his happy tablet ( by the way, my notebook has become a real dust buster as I have no longer use for it at home)
As a suggestion for the elder....please install mame emulator, download some roms, plug in your Xbox controller and have an excellent time!
Bye
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Yep. I'm a very happy owner too and thankfully didn't have any of the issues that others did off and on. This was my first Acer product, but it won't be my last.

Being an apple fanboy I was presented with the dillema of the Acer a500 or an ipad2. Having owned every iPhone from day one it made this choice much more diffifuclt than I originally thought. I spent about a week just reading comparison reviews and alot of them had many complaints about the Acer and not many complaints about the I pad. I've messed around with the ipad2 and I am extremely efficient/familiar with the ios system. Having worked as a regional manager for a T-Mobile dealer I was one of the first people to own the T-Mobile G1 and even had the very first review on the front page of wired and androidcommunity (Google kaziko android g1 wired). This had me familiar with android and so when it came down to choosing between the two, it was about hardware. After realizing the potential of the Acer a500's hardware ESP the full size USB port that is fully functional and the 100% mirrored HDMI out built in, I decided on the Acer. I must say its one of the best decisions I have made in the past years as far as technology. I have only been disappointed by the lack of apps in the market that are fully compatible with my tablet, but this is a problem that is temporary and not really a reflection of the device itself. This tablet is fast, responsive, fully featured and IMO it is an iPad1,2 killer. I also saved myself about $300 which I can use for other things now which is always a plus. If anyone is considering an ipad1,2 over this device, I advise you to take a deeper look. At half the cost and twice the capability its a no brainer that the Acer Iconia A500 is simply the better choice and will continue to prove itself as Honeycomb devlops and developers increase the amount of honeycomb compatible apps in the market
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Being stuck in a country where the tech is very limited. I made my decision on impulse and availability. I am happy that I did however, very happy with it. Only tiniest issue is the weight. It does get to feel heavy after long periods of use but with the price and the ports, it more than makes up for it.
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I just picked up a 16gb acer Iconia today and I've gotta say it has blown me away, it does everything I hope a tablet could as well as a usb port "yesss"
I did some serious looking around before picking it up, it's main competitor was the Galaxy tab and Transformer but those tablets lack in the port department which was my main deciding factor.
Acer does not disappoint.

For $299 it was a no brainer for me. I like Android and the full size usb was a nice addition to an already nice tablet. I too would like more tablet apps for honeycomb but as the market picks up for honeycomb I am sure we will see more just like Android.

Lack of development

I'm disappointed that there isn't much development going on for the Thrive. I'm also curious as to why? I bought one after doing major comparison between all the tablets available and I chose this one because of the specs, size and of course, capabilities. My friends have other tablets, such as the Acer 500 and I rooted it last night for him and it's nowhere near the speed of my Thrive.
I guess I'll just have to wait it out but damn, I want a new ROM on this already. Just having it rooted isn't enough to take advantage of even a fraction of the capabilities this thing has.
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rast4man

rast4man said:
I'm disappointed that there isn't much development going on for the Thrive. I'm also curious as to why? I bought one after doing major comparison between all the tablets available and I chose this one because of the specs, size and of course, capabilities. My friends have other tablets, such as the Acer 500 and I rooted it last night for him and it's nowhere near the speed of my Thrive.
I guess I'll just have to wait it out but damn, I want a new ROM on this already. Just having it rooted isn't enough to take advantage of even a fraction of the capabilities this thing has.
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rast4man
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I think a lot of it has to do with the lack of developers having the device. I think if I had one I would probably be putting something together - but I have the Transformer - and no time at the present.

There has been ROM development, just not here.
Google thrive forums to see.

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There has been ROM development, just not here.
Google thrive forums to see.
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I did and not too impressed with what I've seen. I think there are what, 3 ROMS available? I'm going to keep this but get the Acer A500 I think since it has tons of development right now.
Thanks for the replies!
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rast4man

I was in the same boat so to say my first choice was the thrive I happily bought it after much consideration of other tablets on the market at the time .. once I got home I enjoyed the speed and the thrives native apps but I went to XDA to se what was popping and nothing lol a dead tablet on the development front.so I tried the Asus liked the screen but didn't want to pat $160 u.s. for USB and extra battery life so i bought my Iconia and ill tell ya what I freaking love it besides some problems with Gameloft apps but usb HDMI micro SD I'm happy and amazing veiwing angles!
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Well I have the thrive and it is rooted and has a OC Kernel and Dalepl's stock rom, am I sorry that it does not have some great rom on it, NO it is quite functional and is twice the tablet of any Acer Iconia, and just to be clear I HAVE HAD a Acer Iconia, Motorola Xoom and the Almighty Samsung and all lasted less than a week before returning them, have had my thrive since release and could not be more pleased, and all of the substandard tabs are gone!!!!

I waited in line on black Friday for the Asus transformer because it has a large development scene, but they ran out and I ended up with the Toshiba for $30 more. I've got to day, for what I paid, the Toshiba is cool, but I wish I could get some cyanogen on here.
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same here. Love the size and Honeycomb. Have a Samsung galaxy tab 7" and wanted something bigger and newer. Made the mistake of upgrading to 3.2.1 and was hoping the great minds of XDA have figured out how to downgrade to root. Kind of disappointed on the development but maybe we weren't the only ones who went to buy the Transformer and ended up with the thrive. Only time will tell.

Don't know why this thing isn't more popular. Just got mine the other day. So far I love the fact that I can plug in the dongle from my computers wireless keyboard and an hdmi cable to my big screen tv, pair it to a wii remote and have at it. Absolutely awesome!
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There is a lot more for it but not on this Forum, I would just say Google the thrive and the other forum will come up in search results and yes there is plenty of Development going on. I cannot put the forum's name here because they will just delete the name if not my complete post.

Yeah, I'm a recovering rom-flasher myself, and I was initially kind of bummed out at the fact that there are not dozens of choices for ROMs, but then I got to asking myself "Why?"
I have Cyanogen 7 on my HTC LEO, and I can flash a new version every week if I want, or if I get tired of that, there are many other ROMS I can choose from. But for the Tablet, I'm looking for a stable portable platform to read forums, e-books, maybe play a few games. The Thrive fills that bill, and the hardware is more versatile than most other tablets out there. I rooted the stock 3.1 ROM so I could use Titanium Backup and nmap, and I don't think I'll upgrade until Ice Cream Sandwich comes out, if then. 3.2 seems to be mostly for 7" tablets so it doesn't interest me much.
I see that there are other ROMS on those "unmetnionable" forums, but I've learned over the years to trust the developers and forums at XDA so I don't really want to take a chance elsewhere.
That's my two cents' worth and if you don't agree, I applaud you - enjoy flashing whatever you can find - it's a lot of fun, and I will continue to do so on my HTC phone, but not on my tablet. Just my opinion.
Walt

I wish you had one
jerdog said:
I think a lot of it has to do with the lack of developers having the device. I think if I had one I would probably be putting something together - but I have the Transformer - and no time at the present.
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I wish you had one jerdog. If I could I'd buy you one myself. I just picked one up online for $307 shipped out the door. It's a 16gb model.
Charles

I think it will be picking up speed soon. Compared to other tablets on the market right now, spec wise, the Thrive is pure ownage! I still have mine and use it frequently. I'm cool with just having it rooted for now so we'll see what happens in the future for development.
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rast4man

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I wish you had one jerdog. If I could I'd buy you one myself. I just picked one up online for $307 shipped out the door. It's a 16gb model.
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LOL - if I had the money I would buy one myself too!

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LOL - if I had the money I would buy one myself too!
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I dropped mine last night and cracked the screen on the bottom. It still works perfect and the crack doesn't even get in the way when using it. Wanna' buy it cheap?
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rast4man

rast4man said:
I dropped mine last night and cracked the screen on the bottom. It still works perfect and the crack doesn't even get in the way when using it. Wanna' buy it cheap?
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rast4man
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LOL - nope. Thanks though!

walts said:
Yeah, I'm a recovering rom-flasher myself, and I was initially kind of bummed out at the fact that there are not dozens of choices for ROMs, but then I got to asking myself "Why?"
I have Cyanogen 7 on my HTC LEO, and I can flash a new version every week if I want, or if I get tired of that, there are many other ROMS I can choose from. But for the Tablet, I'm looking for a stable portable platform to read forums, e-books, maybe play a few games. The Thrive fills that bill, and the hardware is more versatile than most other tablets out there. I rooted the stock 3.1 ROM so I could use Titanium Backup and nmap, and I don't think I'll upgrade until Ice Cream Sandwich comes out, if then. 3.2 seems to be mostly for 7" tablets so it doesn't interest me much.
I see that there are other ROMS on those "unmetnionable" forums, but I've learned over the years to trust the developers and forums at XDA so I don't really want to take a chance elsewhere.
That's my two cents' worth and if you don't agree, I applaud you - enjoy flashing whatever you can find - it's a lot of fun, and I will continue to do so on my HTC phone, but not on my tablet. Just my opinion.
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Well then you will lose out because the Thrive on XDA will soon be dead and those of us on the other forum will have everything we want on our tablets and thank god that crap cyanogen is not on the thrive!!!!

Performance! But....
I have purchased two of these devices.... One 16G and one 8G. Both ate verymooth and perform very nicely.
Even though Im enjoying the units, I still believe that there should become level of focus on these units. Toshiba now has these units up to V3.3 and have things locked down tightly. Though I believe they did a nice job on the stock ROM, I still believe there should be a root option to admonisyer my personal device. I also believe that the collective brain trust of XDA could produce a ROM that shows the true capability of this hardware platform.
One of the coolest features of the 10.1 inch units is that it has a user replacable battery! How cool is that??
Im not a programmer and barely qualify as a script kiddie in this day of age. So like others on this forum, I have to wait for those with the knowledge and motivation to provide the future path and direction.

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Anyway, glad another developer is on line. I think this is the best overall tablet around. So lets make sure it is. I hope you will be doing custom work, we need someone to do that for individuals that like custom ROMs. Take care.
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I agree! This tablet rocks. I've have had the Kindle Fire, Acer A100, Nook Tablet, and now this and I love it. I will be doing some custom work.

Great! Custom work is what we need to round off this thing. Do you do kernel work by chance?
I have the Thrive 10.1" and Thrive 7" and if you have looked at my work, I mainly keep it stock. That is what I like and I have a lot of people who like that. If you need base ROMs, feel free to download and use mine.
By the way, sorry if you thought you affended me. Was not wanting you to think that. Just wanted you to know why I do what I do and where. Cheers