Cant believe what SE dev team is doing. - Xperia Arc General

Sony ericsson wants to control the brightness of their phones it seems. At first there was just no option at all to disable auto brightness and now they give the option where 100% brightness turns it off otherwise it will always be dynamically controlled. How pathetic is this? Well maybe someone likes the way they handle it but how can you possibly not give the option? Does SE think all it's users are noobs who need to be told how to save battery?
Then comes the camera compression issue. Once again SE thinks the users are noobs and would be running out of space on their phones and would complain and blah blah. While the camera is still really good for normal photos once you zoom in or crop it quickly becomes a pile of garbage.
So a beautiful display limited by the software, an awesome camera limited by the software. I know you can root and all but thats not something everyone wants to do.
It seems the design is like the only thing SE can get right, I really wanted to get arc S white which is like the best looking android phone I have ever seen. But I didnt mostly for the 2 serious problems I mentioned. Even if they fix them in some upcoming update the very fact that these are not bugs and are intentional decisions makes me wonder what other EDIT up SE is going to decide for it's customers in the future.
It's such a wasted potential it's really irritating.

Lots of things are changing at sony, software is a small part of it you know eventually you will be able to get the best out of the hardware in your own ways.

Still waiting for a dev to make a camera compression mod, arc s camera was a huge let down
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While I agree that there should be a way to enable and disable the automatic brightness, I'm inclined to believe that SE has their reasons for the camera picture compression.
They wouldn't artificially limit the performance of the camera on their phone if they didn't have a reason, and I highly doubt it's because they think the users are "noobs". Also you have to remember that with ICS in the works, they're not going to put that much effort into fixing gingerbread issues, especially since the camera libraries/drivers are very different in ICS.
I know the camera compression issue has been around even before the ICS release, so it could just be some tradeoff/limitation in gingerbread and SE decided to opt for performance over quality (when taking pictures).
Just my thought on this, but I think it's a little too early to be judging.

So why are you going to post these things while almost people know it for a long time?

silveraero said:
So why are you going to post these things while almost people know it for a long time?
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Because these are unacceptable problems and need to be pointed out more and more.

Gambler_3 said:
Because these are unacceptable problems and need to be pointed out more and more.
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And then what will happen?

is there a way around the camera compression as of now? i hate the picture quality when i zoom in.

auto brightness
Maybe the camera backlit sensor is the reason. try this, slide the brightness to 0 then capture a very low light scene. then compare with brightness above 30 or 50.
it makes big difference. perhaps it's used to compensate. those coming from x1 might remember with camera was used brightness always go to maximum.
just my thought.

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And then what will happen?
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Maybe they will finally listen to the complaints? The internet has very big influence these days, we have seen this time and time again.

D-jack said:
Maybe the camera backlit sensor is the reason. try this, slide the brightness to 0 then capture a very low light scene. then compare with brightness above 30 or 50.
it makes big difference. perhaps it's used to compensate. those coming from x1 might remember with camera was used brightness always go to maximum.
just my thought.
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Well but thats never going to be enough, there is a reason why all other good cameraphones have a file size about 3x more at the same resolution.

as you say,it is the best looking android phone,so,don't complain

Seriously??? A new thread about autobrightness?
Could you be any more whiny?
The screen is JUST FINE, autobrightness-schmautobrightness...
You don't like it, get another phone and kiss us goodbye.
Although I bet a $100 that you will find something terribly and devastatingly wrong with it too.
PM me for my paypal account.

It controlls the brightness perfect.
Nothing to complain about.
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These are NOT serious issues!
Can you view the phone display clearly? Yes
Can the phone take decent photos? Yes
You need to have some proper worries in your life to put things in perspective! Or you could just have a winge on twitter at them too!

Lusterboi said:
is there a way around the camera compression as of now? i hate the picture quality when i zoom in.
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You cannot review the picture quality when zooming in on the phone in the gallery app with Bravia activated. It does some odd stuff to enhance details on screen that also will make the picture look ugly when zooming in. At least I think it is due to Bravia engine, picture looks fine opening it in Quickpic on Android or on pc.
There is no noticeable jpg compression artifications visibile to my eye when viewing the picture on my pc, even comparing it to pictures from my dslr of the same motive.
You can use ProCapture camera app to take pictures with less jpg compression but I doubt you will be able to see any difference from the normal compression.

bigyinn said:
These are NOT serious issues!
Can you view the phone display clearly? Yes
Can the phone take decent photos? Yes
You need to have some proper worries in your life to put things in perspective! Or you could just have a winge on twitter at them too!
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You have very low standards it seems, when the competition is offering better things it is a serious issue. We are in a mobile forum, you can talk about other issues of life somewhere else.
And when I am gaming in the dark I really donot enjoy having automatic brightness, I want like 50% brightness as 100% is too much and auto is too low.
Sony is being like apple, giving you ridiculous restrictions that make no sense.

Use an app for cameramagic. Uses digital zoom with not much compression. However even i tend to stick to stock camera because its just bang on
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Gambler_3 said:
You have very low standards it seems, when the competition is offering better things it is a serious issue. We are in a mobile forum, you can talk about other issues of life somewhere else.
And when I am gaming in the dark I really donot enjoy having automatic brightness, I want like 50% brightness as 100% is too much and auto is too low.
Sony is being like apple, giving you ridiculous restrictions that make no sense.
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If you feel the competition is offering better things, get the competition and whine about it later. Leave us in peace

pandaball said:
If you feel the competition is offering better things, get the competition and whine about it later. Leave us in peace
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While I don't really care about this topic and not bothered about the brightness.
Why don't you leave the thread in peace? He wants to have a discussion so let him!
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My Galaxy S Review

Hi guys, In just finished my Galaxy S review and would appreciate any constructive feedback
http://hemorrdroids.net/?p=528
It might also be useful for anyone trying to decide on buying one.
Thanks.
A comparison between the SGS and the Nexus with GPS test would be usefull.
Good, well writen review. I noticed the same thing, when I handed my phone to others, they always comment on how light it is. After unlocking, they are dazzled by the screen quality. The majority of my officemates use smartphones and know what OS, specs of their phones; Blackberry, Android, Symbian (Nokia) and iPhones and they comment on how nice the Galaxy S is. I have disabled TouchWiz for obvious reasons.
nice review, thx!
i will receive mine tomorrow. i feel like a little child on the day before christmas
I disagree with your interpretation of the camera test. The galaxy shots are much better. They show much better dynamic range. Look how the n1 clips the sky all over the place. Its almost hard to look at. The shadows are also very very dark and lack very much detail. Then look at the galaxy shot. The sky is clipped, but much less so. There is still detail in the clouds. In the shadows, there is also far more detail than in the nexus. The second photographs may not be as extreme but they certainly show the galaxy dealing much better with the high dinamic range situation. I would say the galaxy completely trounces the n1 in those two test shots.
edit: I think you are confusing global contrast with detail.
GPs test please
PS. I really enjoyed your review. It seems like a review from a real person not someone paid to do it or etc. man that phone takes great vids!
Also, canyon play with the camera setting & retry the pic test?
@snowboard
What's screen clipping: is it like tearing on monitors?
I spy a BBQ ! Om nom nom !
Seriously, nice review. Just ordered two SGS's
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GPs test please
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Yeah, I realised about 10 minutes after I posted it that I should have included a GPS test. I'll try and get one added this afternoon. I'll post when I do.
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I did a Streak review a couple of weeks back. Are there any other devices out there dying for a review? (UK devices of course )
ither side of this is a menu and back button, but no search. I can’t say I’ve missed search, you just go in through menu.
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If you really miss the search button, try pushing the menu button a little longer..
Also, it's a bit strange you didn't even try touchwiz.. I tried launcher pro, but the look and feel of touchwiz is much more consistent with the rest of the native apps. The speed of touchwiz (specially after nolag fix) is very good, no difference with launcher pro.
What i also like is the samsung market where you get, otherwise paid, apps for free. Like Vlingo Voice Command, Asphalt 5 and some other stuff..
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Also, it's a bit strange you didn't even try touchwiz.. I tried launcher pro, but the look and feel of touchwiz is much more consistent with the rest of the native apps. The speed of touchwiz (specially after nolag fix) is very good, no difference with launcher pro.
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Yeah, when I got it I was thinking more as a user and not a reviewer. I should have tried TouchWiz for a day to be able to give my own opinion on it, then switch to a different launcher so I can compare the two.
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What i also like is the samsung market where you get, otherwise paid, apps for free. Like Vlingo Voice Command, Asphalt 5 and some other stuff..
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Sounds cool, I didn't realise that tbh.
The GPS test is uploading to YouTube as I type, but it says it will be 99 minutes processing! Subscribe to the Hemorrdroids channel, or check back on the review in a couple of hours.
**EDIT** Okay, GPS test is added in
k2snowboards88 said:
I disagree with your interpretation of the camera test. The galaxy shots are much better. They show much better dynamic range. Look how the n1 clips the sky all over the place. Its almost hard to look at. The shadows are also very very dark and lack very much detail. Then look at the galaxy shot. The sky is clipped, but much less so. There is still detail in the clouds. In the shadows, there is also far more detail than in the nexus. The second photographs may not be as extreme but they certainly show the galaxy dealing much better with the high dinamic range situation. I would say the galaxy completely trounces the n1 in those two test shots.
edit: I think you are confusing global contrast with detail.
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Imo the nexus one looks better. So does alot of others...
Someone else suggested maybe I had a finger smudge on the lens when I took the SGS picture.
Have you looked at the folder full of pictures and videos? The link is nearer the end of the camera bit.
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Someone else suggested maybe I had a finger smudge on the lens when I took the SGS picture.
Have you looked at the folder full of pictures and videos? The link is nearer the end of the camera bit.
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Are those all the sgs? Or mixed with nexus? They look pretty good..
You need to fix lous in this sentence. Nice review.
Although I don’t think it’s lous enough for me to take a shower and listen to it still, if I’m sat at my computer, I could have the SGS on the desk next to me a clearly hear the podcast player.
Thank you. Done
gd review, am looking to get one of these to replace desire, you guys think i should do it?
Great edits! i wish there was a review done exactly like this for the captivate
Is the Captivate what we would call the Samsung Wave over here in the UK?
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Imo the nexus one looks better. So does alot of others...
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The white balance of the n1 is a little cool and the white balance of the sgs is a little warm. The white balance is a personal preference. The n1 has a higher contrast curve and really poor dynamic range. The increased contrast is pribably what makes you like the photo more. The problem comes why you want detail in light and dark places. You can't do it. You can't reduce contrast in software in any helpful kind of way. The sgs has a rather flat contrast curve which can be increased using software or even another camera program to suit your tastes. It also will work in more diverse situations.
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Is the Captivate what we would call the Samsung Wave over here in the UK?
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No, The Captivate is AT&T's version the the Galaxy. The Samsung Wave is a different phone.

Does the 2.3.4 camera produce better photos? [post your photos!]

That was one of the featues, that the camera was supposed to be better.
Is this true? Can some people on 2.3.4 post some photos?
My wife thinks the photos are better.
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I hope it is. My sis's Inspire, even though it has an 8 mp, still far out-performs my Atrix, above what just three more mp's should get. Even my Torch took better pictures. But, hey, I got a dual core. I can deal with it.
It better!
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lesonal said:
It better!
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For those saying its better, can you post some photos taken on 2.3.4??
How much better?
Not sure if the quality is better but the camcorder and camera has an on screen zoom button that works really well.
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Not sure if the quality is better but the camcorder and camera has an on screen zoom button that works really well.
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In 2.2.2 you can zoom with volume buttons, so that isn't anything new. What I noticed in 2.3.4 is that you can move the focus box...so you basically get manual focus!
Looking at pictures is subjective. We need real data to show that pictures are better, if in fact they are. Everyone naturally just expects them to be better cos' they went to 2.3.4 (asian beta), so natural tendency is to "believe" they are better just because.
CaelanT said:
Looking at pictures is subjective. We need real data to show that pictures are better, if in fact they are. Everyone naturally just expects them to be better cos' they went to 2.3.4 (asian beta), so natural tendency is to "believe" they are better just because. Joe Blow saying pictures are better doesn't mean s**t!
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I've taken many photos with my atrix, and other phones and cameras and I'll be able to tell if colours look any better, as would other people.
The best thing owuld be taking a photo of an object on 2.2 and then on 2.3 and posting both, but I would still like to see the photos from 2.3
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I've taken many photos with my atrix, and other phones and cameras and I'll be able to tell if colours look any better, as would other people.
The best thing owuld be taking a photo of an object on 2.2 and then on 2.3 and posting both, but I would still like to see the photos from 2.3
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Exactly.............you need identical comparisons with both firmwares. That means exact same camera position, lighting, subject, etc. Taking many photos really doesn't mean ****, as does what we perceive as a better or worse photo. I would trust a professional photographers eyes with this, but the rest of us just look for what "we" perceive ourselves to "look" better.
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Exactly.............you need identical comparisons with both firmwares. That means exact same camera position, lighting, subject, etc. Taking many photos really doesn't mean ****, as does what we perceive as a better or worse photo. I would trust a professional photographers eyes with this, but the rest of us just look for what "we" perceive ourselves to "look" better.
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Although thats what really matters isnt it, what we think?
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Although thats what really matters isnt it, what we think?
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Not really if you are looking for accurate reproduction of colours, etc.
Why would we have any posts about cameras being better otherwise? You either want a camera which takes pictures which are accurate, or you don't need to post that your phone takes crap pictures, cos' nobody gives a crap then.
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Not really if you are looking for accurate reproduction of colours, etc.
Why would we have any posts about cameras being better otherwise? You either want a camera which takes pictures which are accurate, or you don't need to post that your phone takes crap pictures, cos' nobody gives a crap then.
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When two phones are compared and the camera is compared - they take photos of the same thing. By us looking at the comparisons we generally make our own decision about which colours we think look better.
Why are any photos posted in single phone reviews? Yes they comment on colour reproduction and such but ultimately its so people can see how the photos look; not to compare it with a DSLR. I want to see how the photos look.
Apparently the benchmark scores are low but I see most people that are replying with the 2.3.4 just installed say the phone feels faster either way.
Anyways, what point are you trying to make? I want to see photos posted with 2.3.4. There are many topics for other phones where people post photos from their phone, so whats the big deal if I want to see photos from 2.3.4 since its SUPPOSED to be better now?
If somone takes a photo of a red ball at noon in their house with a 100 watt light bult on the ceiling as their only source of light, I think we will be able to tell if the photos look bad or not.
Point is that its not hard to look at a photo and tell if it doesnt look good. Please just leave this thread alone if you're not going to contribute and you're going to just be negative about it.
So far two people have said its better, now I give more of a crap about seeing some photos because of those replies.
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When two phones are compared and the camera is compared - they take photos of the same thing. By us looking at the comparisons we generally make our own decision about which colours we think look better.
Why are any photos posted in single phone reviews? Yes they comment on colour reproduction and such but ultimately its so people can see how the photos look; not to compare it with a DSLR. I want to see how the photos look.
Apparently the benchmark scores are low but I see most people that are replying with the 2.3.4 just installed say the phone feels faster either way.
Anyways, what point are you trying to make? I want to see photos posted with 2.3.4. There are many topics for other phones where people post photos from their phone, so whats the big deal if I want to see photos from 2.3.4 since its SUPPOSED to be better now?
If somone takes a photo of a red ball at noon in their house with a 100 watt light bult on the ceiling as their only source of light, I think we will be able to tell if the photos look bad or not.
Point is that its not hard to look at a photo and tell if it doesnt look good. Please just leave this thread alone if you're not going to contribute and you're going to just be negative about it.
So far two people have said its better, now I give more of a crap about seeing some photos because of those replies.
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My point is that people jump on this "what is better/worse" bandwagon on a beta build which isn't even for the US, (where almost everyone is who is flashing the HTKW 2.3.4), and try to compare before and after.
Everyone expects it to be better, and so you all perceive everything you see as better. If you want to compare, stop saying "pictures look better now" and post real comparisons.
Yeah, sure, I can take 2 pictures with the same phone, (and a 100 watt bulb and red ball), one in the morning, one at night, and with different firmwares. Because the one at night looks better with the newer firmware, does that mean the phone is taking better pictures? No, it doesn't!
I am not being negative, and no I won't leave a thread where what I consider my valuable contribution is asking for proof of pictures being better. I simply want more than people saying pictures "look" better.
If you can't provide some form of proof, and can't/don't want to argue why real comparisons are required, then why don't you leave this thread, as it seems your contribution is nothing more than a 100 watt lightbulb and red ball!
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My point is that people jump on this "what is better/worse" bandwagon on a beta build which isn't even for the US, (where almost everyone is who is flashing the HTKW 2.3.4), and try to compare before and after.
Everyone expects it to be better, and so you all perceive everything you see as better. If you want to compare, stop saying "pictures look better now" and post real comparisons.
Yeah, sure, I can take 2 pictures with the same phone, (and a 100 watt bulb and red ball), one in the morning, one at night, and with different firmwares. Because the one at night looks better with the newer firmware, does that mean the phone is taking better pictures? No, it doesn't!
I am not being negative, and no I won't leave a thread where what I consider my valuable contribution is asking for proof of pictures being better. I simply want more than people saying pictures "look" better.
If you can't provide some form of proof, and can't/don't want to argue why real comparisons are required, then why don't you leave this thread, as it seems your contribution is nothing more than a 100 watt lightbulb and red ball!
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I am also asking for proof, I'm asking for PHOTOS. (see title of topic)
If the Photo looks better, what does it mean? Photos are now worse?...
"Everyone expects it to be better, and so you all perceive everything you see as better"
Thats kind of an ignorant thing to say... maybe it IS better. Are you using it?
Come on man, be realistic, you havent made any contribution. Honestly.
Caelan, come on now.. me asking for pictures is me ASKING for proof, so why are you asking ME to provide proof?...
Why are you saying I am contribution a red ball and such? ... I am ASKING FOR PHOTOS in this thread, I am not really contributing anything untill people actually post photos - then I am contributing a source of photos for other people that want to view them.
Please stop this
why dont we have people take a picture of something then post it (on froyo) then take the same picture (on gb). good plan? xD isnt that the point of this thread? im too lazy to go back to gb or i would, i took two random pictures and they turned out "okay" but that was with flash, flash seems to work alittle better as in it doesnt falsh at the wrong times now. i dont see why the quality would be any better since this is a beta not even for our phones. they also said there is a performance boost and other stuff but none of that is in this version, i cant even zoom in with the camera without getting fc. id hold on a bit before comparing.
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why dont we have people take a picture of something then post it (on froyo) then take the same picture (on gb). good plan? xD isnt that the point of this thread? im too lazy to go back to gb or i would, i took two random pictures and they turned out "okay" but that was with flash, flash seems to work alittle better as in it doesnt falsh at the wrong times now. i dont see why the quality would be any better since this is a beta not even for our phones. they also said there is a performance boost and other stuff but none of that is in this version, i cant even zoom in with the camera without getting fc. id hold on a bit before comparing.
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I wouldnt think this build would be perfect, but its fair to say that I am curious of the photo quality right?
Can we stay on topic please, the OP just asked about posting photos. I haven't seen none.
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I wouldnt think this build would be perfect, but its fair to say that I am curious of the photo quality right?
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yeah i agree! i would like to see for myself. i just dont feel like going through waiting and reflashing blah blah. once there is a more stable build/easier way to flash id be sure to post!
I noticed that the camera quality was a little bit better when I had 2.3.4 installed.

Xperia Z vs HTC One Complete Video Comparison (Full HD)

Hey Guys,
This is my video comparison of the Xperia Z against the HTC One.
Hope it helps!
Leave a comment and let me know what you think
Ash
Just saw it.
Honestly? Biased as hell, some silly things there lol.
And you say the screen is better though the HTC you got was much worse.
Weellll.... Not good really.
In general:
You justify every crap HTC made, you criticize every thing on Sony.
And in reverse, every thing Sony made well becomes less important.
Truth is, HTC has tons of gimmicks on the phone which are not useful at all.
To name just a few, it's this Blinkfeed you cannot get rid off, totally undeperforming "ultrapixel" camera,
awkward and non logical buttons system, badly designed hardware buttons.
The fact is HTC's camera is a total crap, you just can't admit it.
And as for useless things, I think those stereo speakers are a gimmick. I mean I never listen to music this way, is it really the thing
people do on their phones that often?
One more thing, you couldn't - of course.. - stop yourself from those viewing angles discussion.
But why the f... you couldn't comment it's REAL, in front-of performance? And compare it to HTC?
Meeeh...
I give it 3 out of 5, thanks for effort.
Sharp edges on the Sony? Must be your device mines are soft.
There is no real proof that xz uses both dragontrail in the front and back.
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doministry said:
Just saw it.
Honestly? Biased as hell, some silly things there lol.
And you say the screen is better though the HTC you got was much worse.
Weellll.... Not good really.
In general:
You justify every crap HTC made, you criticize every thing on Sony.
And in reverse, every thing Sony made well becomes less important.
Truth is, HTC has tons of gimmicks on the phone which are not useful at all.
To name just a few, it's this Blinkfeed you cannot get rid off, totally undeperforming "ultrapixel" camera,
awkward and non logical buttons system, badly designed hardware buttons.
The fact is HTC's camera is a total crap, you just can't admit it.
And as for useless things, I think those stereo speakers are a gimmick. I mean I never listen to music this way, is it really the thing
people do on their phones that often?
One more thing, you couldn't - of course.. - stop yourself from those viewing angles discussion.
But why the f... you couldn't comment it's REAL, in front-of performance? And compare it to HTC?
Meeeh...
I give it 3 out of 5, thanks for effort.
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You wanna justify the screen? really? So I am biased huh? well lets break it down shall we?
Blinkfeed sucks and i pointed it out, lack of notifications suck again did mention it ...
I didnt say the One's stereo speakers are a innovation or they are the best ive ever seen... my s4 vs one comparison I said the s4 is louder, if i were being biased id have praised the one... I just mentioned its better than the xz's speakers cuz they are bad...
As for my htc one screen, had this been my 1st comparison id have mentioned the xz was brighter but I just did a comparison with the s4 where I said the s4 was brighter based on what I saw, after loads of comments that said i was wrong, i looked at ton of videos and articles to figure out wats actually brighter... so you can head on over the gsmarena and check the comparison too between the one and the xz... the one is brighter...
As for camera... its objective... the one outperforms the xperia z in low light and I "personally" keyword being "personally" like that better.. and i emphasize that its a personal call here.
As for specs again I mentioned that tho the one beats the xz in benchmarks theres nothing different in real time usage, to be biased I could have easily said the one was faster but I didnt.
Badly designed h/w buttons? Wasnt that what I started the comparison with? every -ve you talk about has been mentioned in the video...
The end result is am not the one being biased here, I dont have to be, I am a reviewer and I get every flagship phone on the market (which i need to sell off soon sadly ) and I dont need to justify my purchase and defend a device like you do...
Anyway hope you are happy with ur XZ... Peace!
When you do a review first you try to get your facts right, second you need to compare every aspect of them, you didn't compare the build quality of both phones. How about how easy aluminium scratches or dents? How about the bugs with zoe or the software, Sony has much polished software and build quality than the HTC.
You talk about speaker quality but we don't really have much time to hear both of them to feel the difference.
You can resize the album preview by pinching on the screen. So technically you were wrong about the number of thumbnails you can have as it can be much smaller or much larger.
You talk about screen quality washed angles (you put the device at extreme angles that no one watches the device) and then you can't do the same with the HTC one to see the difference? What kind of review is that if you don't compare them properly, then you talk about screen quality but you don't put both devices playing the same image or video simultaneous how can we see the difference?
Then you talk about the video player and xz is better but it's funny, you don't praise the Xperia you just excuse the HTC that has problems with codecs saying that you can use another player.
You say that the HTC one camera is more useful? How because of the zoe? Really do you think that is useful? I consider superior auto much useful than zoe and about camera quality yes it has better quality but stand still camera the xz wins hands down, try a macro shot with the z you will see the difference.
Call quality is bad on the xz? It got a second mic for noise cancellation so it's clear as the HTC one and even if the speaker is not as loud as the HTC it's does pretty good even in loud environment so don't talk bull****.
And then you end up saying that the xz screen is awful? Why? Because of the screen angles? Are you kidding? Or are you one of those that think that the screen looks washed out because of the gray ui? Compare properly both screens with a picture or a full hd movie with bravía engine and tell me how awful the screen is again.
You might say that you are not biased but it looks a hell of a lot that you prefer the HTC one personally even before the review.
Thanks for your time with the review though anyway I guess....
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When you do a review first you try to get your facts right, second you need to compare every aspect of them, you didn't compare the build quality of both phones. How about how easy aluminium scratches or dents? How about the bugs with zoe or the software, Sony has much polished software and build quality than the HTC.
You talk about speaker quality but we don't really have much time to hear both of them to feel the difference.
You can resize the album preview by pinching on the screen. So technically you were wrong about the number of thumbnails you can have as it can be much smaller or much larger.
You talk about screen quality washed angles (you put the device at extreme angles that no one watches the device) and then you can't do the same with the HTC one to see the difference? What kind of review is that if you don't compare them properly, then you talk about screen quality but you don't put both devices playing the same image or video simultaneous how can we see the difference?
Then you talk about the video player and xz is better but it's funny, you don't praise the Xperia you just excuse the HTC that has problems with codecs saying that you can use another player.
You say that the HTC one camera is more useful? How because of the zoe? Really do you think that is useful? I consider superior auto much useful than zoe and about camera quality yes it has better quality but stand still camera the xz wins hands down, try a macro shot with the z you will see the difference.
Call quality is bad on the xz? It got a second mic for noise cancellation so it's clear as the HTC one and even if the speaker is not as loud as the HTC it's does pretty good even in loud environment so don't talk bull****.
And then you end up saying that the xz screen is awful? Why? Because of the screen angles? Are you kidding? Or are you one of those that think that the screen looks washed out because of the gray ui? Compare properly both screens with a picture or a full hd movie with bravía engine and tell me how awful the screen is again.
You might say that you are not biased but it looks a hell of a lot that you prefer the HTC one personally even before the review.
Thanks for your time with the review though anyway I guess....
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1. Speaker Quality - agreed I should have shown more but its a well known fact in the 1st place, its a comparison and not a review
2. As for the album, I like the fact that it shows more... I said the xperia z utilizes the 1080p display better... it was something +ve that i was saying about the xz... phew!
3. The XZ's screen is washed out no matter how u try to justify it, so nope am not even gonna bother to reply to this...
4. You are looking at it with a bias, the video player has issues with common codecs like mkv and divx on the xz and that makes the xz better automatically...
5. Camera i left it as personal preference and i agree with u that ur preference is the xz
6. Its not BS... The volume on the earpiece is low, the lowest among flagships.. I shouldnt be pointing that out, instead I need to be pointing out what now? the fact that it has a secondary noise cancelling mic? a feature that 2 year old flagships have? phew again!
7. Yup the bravia engine improves things in the video player and i did point it out but s/w hard as it might try cannot make up for bad h/w
And I have owned the Xperia Z for well over a month now... and have used it as a daily driver for a min of 2 weeks so yup Ive tested and checked out the xperia z thoroughly...
thanks for your comment anyway i guess...
Well I compared the Samsung s4 screen to the Zs in the Tesco phone shop where I work and with auto brightness off and both screens set to max, the Z was clearly brighter. Indeed the brightness of the S4's screen is giving my girl second thoughts. Also if you still believe the htc one's camera is better than the Zs then your review isn't worth watching and I'm glad I didn't.
To be honest I just think it's become fashionable to praise the htc one. You know the old routine of the blind following the blind. The same **** that's been happening to the iPhone crowd for years.
Good job, I read the comments before watching your review. Would have been a waste of time
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ashwin123 said:
1. Speaker Quality - agreed I should have shown more but its a well known fact in the 1st place, its a comparison and not a review
2. As for the album, I like the fact that it shows more... I said the xperia z utilizes the 1080p display better... it was something +ve that i was saying about the xz... phew!
3. The XZ's screen is washed out no matter how u try to justify it, so nope am not even gonna bother to reply to this...
4. You are looking at it with a bias, the video player has issues with common codecs like mkv and divx on the xz and that makes the xz better automatically...
5. Camera i left it as personal preference and i agree with u that ur preference is the xz
6. Its not BS... The volume on the earpiece is low, the lowest among flagships.. I shouldnt be pointing that out, instead I need to be pointing out what now? the fact that it has a secondary noise cancelling mic? a feature that 2 year old flagships have? phew again!
7. Yup the bravia engine improves things in the video player and i did point it out but s/w hard as it might try cannot make up for bad h/w
And I have owned the Xperia Z for well over a month now... and have used it as a daily driver for a min of 2 weeks so yup Ive tested and checked out the xperia z thoroughly...
thanks for your comment anyway i guess...
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2. My point was that you didn't explain how it worked properly.
3. So you are telling me that viewing the screen like a normal person it still looks washed out?
4. No but it makes the xz media player better than the HTC one in this case. No harm saying it.
6. That doesn't mean is crap just that the HTC got higher.
7. Bad h/w? Really? Like what?
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Well I compared the Samsung s4 screen to the Zs in the Tesco phone shop where I work and with auto brightness off and both screens set to max, the Z was clearly brighter. Indeed the brightness of the S4's screen is giving my girl second thoughts. Also if you still believe the htc one's camera is better than the Zs then your review isn't worth watching and I'm glad I didn't.
To be honest I just think it's become fashionable to praise the htc one. You know the old routine of the blind following the blind. The same **** that's been happening to the iPhone crowd for years.
Good job, I read the comments before watching your review. Would have been a waste of time
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lmao "blind following the blind" that coming from sm1 who takes others opinions and decides not to watch the video and form their own opinion... talk about being a hypocrite
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2. My point was that you didn't explain how it worked properly.
3. So you are telling me that viewing the screen like a normal person it still looks washed out?
4. No but it makes the xz media player better than the HTC one in this case. No harm saying it.
6. That doesn't mean is crap just that the HTC got higher.
7. Bad h/w? Really? Like what?
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2. Point is i didnt need to... I showed what was better about it.
3. Yup it does
4. When a videos already pushing 20 mins u want me to say stuff just to appease fanboys? its better it was said sue me for not singing praises
6. It is crap
7. bad display = bad hardware
Im sorry m8 I dont do 4-7min comparisons like most... I try to cover everything... It was 24 frikkin minutes for gods sakes... if theres something that i havent mentioned fair enough.. I cant spend time going into each and everything in detail for a comparison... thats what reviews are for... comparisons are what is better, what are the differences... did I show the way the ir remote on the one works? no, did I show the multiple lockscreen options that the one has in detail nope, I paid exactly the same attention to the one as i did to the xz....
Anyway I get it you've bought the phone, uve spent ur cash on it and now u want to justify it to urself... but cmon, the xz screen is really better than the one's? honest to god, you didnt open the box and for a second atleast wonder "is it juz my screen?"
As for me being biased...
I use a sony alpha 57 cam that i just purchased, I have a sony hx9v for my secondary cam, I own 2 sony playstation 3s.... do you see a pattern here? Lets take HTC.. I wasnt high on the butterfly in my comparisons and even rated the one x lower than the s3 last year in my comp... the one is the 1st htc phone that ive praised... and fyi last year everyone was singing praises for the one x... i liked it but i didnt prefer it over my s3 or note and thats exactly what i said in my vid... so this is how i genuinely feel about the device... so u still think I have it out for sony? Just like you I paid for my Xperia Z too...
Again as for the cam... I was very clear that the xz is the better cam in bright lights, as for low lights are you gonna disagree and say that that the xz performs better than the one in low light? Thats all I said.. xz better in good light, one better in low lights... whats better for you is your call but for me personally i prefer the option of shooting pics in low light... how is that a dig at the xz???
This is not me backing down cause I still say the same, sony makes amazing stuff and should have used a better screen... the audio quality is bs both the speaker as well as the ear piece...
Jeezz, seriously though the screen on the XZ is pure sh*t. Its almost painful to look at.
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lmao "blind following the blind" that coming from sm1 who takes others opinions and decides not to watch the video and form their own opinion... talk about being a hypocrite
2. Point is i didnt need to... I showed what was better about it.
3. Yup it does
4. When a videos already pushing 20 mins u want me to say stuff just to appease fanboys? its better it was said sue me for not singing praises
6. It is crap
7. bad display = bad hardware
Im sorry m8 I dont do 4-7min comparisons like most... I try to cover everything... It was 24 frikkin minutes for gods sakes... if theres something that i havent mentioned fair enough.. I cant spend time going into each and everything in detail for a comparison... thats what reviews are for... comparisons are what is better, what are the differences... did I show the way the ir remote on the one works? no, did I show the multiple lockscreen options that the one has in detail nope, I paid exactly the same attention to the one as i did to the xz....
Anyway I get it you've bought the phone, uve spent ur cash on it and now u want to justify it to urself... but cmon, the xz screen is really better than the one's? honest to god, you didnt open the box and for a second atleast wonder "is it juz my screen?"
As for me being biased...
I use a sony alpha 57 cam that i just purchased, I have a sony hx9v for my secondary cam, I own 2 sony playstation 3s.... do you see a pattern here? Lets take HTC.. I wasnt high on the butterfly in my comparisons and even rated the one x lower than the s3 last year in my comp... the one is the 1st htc phone that ive praised... and fyi last year everyone was singing praises for the one x... i liked it but i didnt prefer it over my s3 or note and thats exactly what i said in my vid... so this is how i genuinely feel about the device... so u still think I have it out for sony? Just like you I paid for my Xperia Z too...
Again as for the cam... I was very clear that the xz is the better cam in bright lights, as for low lights are you gonna disagree and say that that the xz performs better than the one in low light? Thats all I said.. xz better in good light, one better in low lights... whats better for you is your call but for me personally i prefer the option of shooting pics in low light... how is that a dig at the xz???
This is not me backing down cause I still say the same, sony makes amazing stuff and should have used a better screen... the audio quality is bs both the speaker as well as the ear piece...
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No, because before buying my phone I compared the difference options available and I liked the way the sony xperia screen looks.
I am not a fanboy, XD this is my first sony phone. I am NOT saying that the XZ has a better screen than the HTC one it's true. But to say that the screen is **** just because you don't like it, it's to say the least biased. And you can't deny the fact that you don't like the xz and you tried to force that view on the comparison. So it was indeed a biased review as pretty much all the reviews that compare does two phones.
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No, because before buying my phone I compared the difference options available and I liked the way the sony xperia screen looks.
I am not a fanboy, XD this is my first sony phone. I am NOT saying that the XZ has a better screen than the HTC one it's true. But to say that the screen is **** just because you don't like it, it's to say the least biased. And you can't deny the fact that you don't like the xz and you tried to force that view on the comparison. So it was indeed a biased review as pretty much all the reviews that compare does two phones.
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Its not a mid level device, its a flagship, a phone that we pay top dollar for, is it unfair to expect it to have the best of everything? You dont think the viewing angles are bad? you could say who cares about viewing angles but for what we pay, when others can give it (hell if oppo can give it for $499) why not Sony?
What you say is partly right but uve got it the other way around.... its not that I dont like the xz and I talk about the speakers and viewing angles because i font like but its because of the viewing angles and speakers that I feel the xz is not as good as it should have been...
I dont wanna argue, am just trying to calm you down enough so that I can get feedback on my video... once the initial "damn he called my phone bad... that jackass!!!" anger dies down, maybe I can get some feedback on what I can do to improve...
honestly I have 26k subs on youtube and my videos hit the 10k mark in a month no matter what.. posting it on xda gets me a few hundred views max... the reason I do so is because I can get some actual feedback here... on youtube u have the words limit on comments and we couldnt have had this kinda conversation there.. ud probably have said "u are biased the xz rocks" and id have ignored it cuz theres no way i could reply to that with the utube word limit.
If anyone honestly feels I have been biased somewhere please let me know and I am willing to change it... just go to my channel and watch any video from a month back a couple of months back ull notice the difference, I am constantly trying to learn and improve.
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Its not a mid level device, its a flagship, a phone that we pay top dollar for, is it unfair to expect it to have the best of everything? You dont think the viewing angles are bad? you could say who cares about viewing angles but for what we pay, when others can give it (hell if oppo can give it for $499) why not Sony?
What you say is partly right but uve got it the other way around.... its not that I dont like the xz and I talk about the speakers and viewing angles because i font like but its because of the viewing angles and speakers that I feel the xz is not as good as it should have been...
I dont wanna argue, am just trying to calm you down enough so that I can get feedback on my video... once the initial "damn he called my phone bad... that jackass!!!" anger dies down, maybe I can get some feedback on what I can do to improve...
honestly I have 26k subs on youtube and my videos hit the 10k mark in a month no matter what.. posting it on xda gets me a few hundred views max... the reason I do so is because I can get some actual feedback here... on youtube u have the words limit on comments and we couldnt have had this kinda conversation there.. ud probably have said "u are biased the xz rocks" and id have ignored it cuz theres no way i could reply to that with the utube word limit.
If anyone honestly feels I have been biased somewhere please let me know and I am willing to change it... just go to my channel and watch any video from a month back a couple of months back ull notice the difference, I am constantly trying to learn and improve.
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I absolutely agree with you. I certainly would have considered the XZ if it wasnt for the washed out screen, the speakers isnt that much of a deal breaker for me cause i use headphones most of the times. The XZ has a beautiful design, i absolutely LOVE the power button, it looks so slick. Waterproof and dust proof is a plus but nothig i really care about. the snapdragon S4 pro is plenty even if it isnt the best anymore, it is still one of the best and very capable SoC. But for a flagship device, and considering every phone is coming out with a 1080p display, the one on the Z is really a let down. also the placement of the volume rocker doesnt make any sense ( the speaker too quite frankly). Reason why i complain so much about the screen is cause thats where everything happens, thats what you look at. Its unacceptable to me to buy a phone for more than 500$ with a ****ty screen.
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I absolutely agree with you. I certainly would have considered the XZ if it wasnt for the washed out screen, the speakers isnt that much of a deal breaker for me cause i use headphones most of the times. The XZ has a beautiful design, i absolutely LOVE the power button, it looks so slick. Waterproof and dust proof is a plus but nothig i really care about. the snapdragon S4 pro is plenty even if it isnt the best anymore, it is still one of the best and very capable SoC. But for a flagship device, and considering every phone is coming out with a 1080p display, the one on the Z is really a let down. also the placement of the volume rocker doesnt make any sense ( the speaker too quite frankly). Reason why i complain so much about the screen is cause thats where everything happens, thats what you look at. Its unacceptable to me to buy a phone for more than 500$ with a ****ty screen.
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Its not a mid level device, its a flagship, a phone that we pay top dollar for, is it unfair to expect it to have the best of everything? You dont think the viewing angles are bad? you could say who cares about viewing angles but for what we pay, when others can give it (hell if oppo can give it for $499) why not Sony?
What you say is partly right but uve got it the other way around.... its not that I dont like the xz and I talk about the speakers and viewing angles because i font like but its because of the viewing angles and speakers that I feel the xz is not as good as it should have been...
I dont wanna argue, am just trying to calm you down enough so that I can get feedback on my video... once the initial "damn he called my phone bad... that jackass!!!" anger dies down, maybe I can get some feedback on what I can do to improve...
honestly I have 26k subs on youtube and my videos hit the 10k mark in a month no matter what.. posting it on xda gets me a few hundred views max... the reason I do so is because I can get some actual feedback here... on youtube u have the words limit on comments and we couldnt have had this kinda conversation there.. ud probably have said "u are biased the xz rocks" and id have ignored it cuz theres no way i could reply to that with the utube word limit.
If anyone honestly feels I have been biased somewhere please let me know and I am willing to change it... just go to my channel and watch any video from a month back a couple of months back ull notice the difference, I am constantly trying to learn and improve.
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About the screen, I don't feel that washed out colours people talk about really, you have you realise the ui is grey not black and that might cause the impression that the phone doesn't do good blacks but it does quite good if you look at a video or picture. That it's not as "vibrant/oversaturated" as an amoled screen ofc, but some people like it that way.
I'm trying to give you feedback, I couldn't care less if you like or don't like this device. But what I don't like is biased opinions and false statements in a comparison. Obviously you can have your own opinion and you might not like it but you should try to be impartial when comparing/reviewing units. All this is IMHO and with the aim to help you.
Again, I don't think the XZ is a better phone than the HTC one or the S4, they are newer phones with better processor and better screen. But XZ was the first flagship to be released, so the more time you have to release a device the more time you have to improve it.
For me, I picked the XZ because It's the phone that ticked all the boxes for me. Quad core, 2gb RAM, full hd screen, sd card slot. That's pretty much all I cared about and it does it well in all of them. Maybe on screen battery time is not the best but it's still better than my lg o2x.
At the end of the day if I didn't like the phone I could just return it and get the HTC one or the S4. ^^. But I do like it and I'm sure there is a lot of people that does too.
Edit: let me show you what I mean about the ui. This is a screenshoot of a black image with the soft keys, can you see how the soft key are grey? That can give the impression that the screen is washed out because of the soft keys
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Well, I dont know about you, but my friends who saw my phone, were all amazed about the quality of the XZ screen and all came running to the shops to get it. Note that they all come from iPhones, S3s and note2s..
Point to note that i do have my screen optimised with the white balance mod, black nav bars and a BE2 wallpaper.. Honestly, screen looks amazing.
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About the screen, I don't feel that washed out colours people talk about really, you have you realise the ui is grey not black and that might cause the impression that the phone doesn't do good blacks but it does quite good if you look at a video or picture. That it's not as "vibrant/oversaturated" as an amoled screen ofc, but some people like it that way.
I'm trying to give you feedback, I couldn't care less if you like or don't like this device. But what I don't like is biased opinions and false statements in a comparison. Obviously you can have your own opinion and you might not like it but you should try to be impartial when comparing/reviewing units. All this is IMHO and with the aim to help you.
Again, I don't think the XZ is a better phone than the HTC one or the S4, they are newer phones with better processor and better screen. But XZ was the first flagship to be released, so the more time you have to release a device the more time you have to improve it.
For me, I picked the XZ because It's the phone that ticked all the boxes for me. Quad core, 2gb RAM, full hd screen, sd card slot. That's pretty much all I cared about and it does it well in all of them. Maybe on screen battery time is not the best but it's still better than my lg o2x.
At the end of the day if I didn't like the phone I could just return it and get the HTC one or the S4. ^^. But I do like it and I'm sure there is a lot of people that does too.
Edit: let me show you what I mean about the ui. This is a screenshoot of a black image with the soft keys, can you see how the soft key are grey? That can give the impression that the screen is washed out because of the soft keys
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Thanks for the explanation... I get the UI thats the 1st thing I notices and pointed out once I got it.. the app drawer has a greyish back that makes things look worse as in the washed out feeling more than it should but def, compared to superlcd 3 or even the oppo find 5's screen it does look washed out, my honest opinion and after doing my share of research and confirming it with a few others who own the device I decided to go with it...
you could return the phone if you want... lol, how I wish that was an option where I am from.. we have no returns here, so kinda stuck with what we buy, even RMAs are damn hard... galaxy camera (yes I was stupid enough to buy one) shipped with a dead pixel, took them 2 months & about 8 mails to samsung to replace
I'm curious as to why people here are saying the XZ's screen is washed out. I used a HTC One X before this and it pretty much had (still has imo) the best screen you can find anywhere, and I really think the XZ comes pretty darn close because of the high res. Colours are vibrant and accurate without being oversaturated. Although viewing angles aren't as good as the HOX's, it isn't so bad to the extent that colours are completely washed out or something. Besides, I have yet to find a use case where I need to view anything from a >35 degree angle anyway.
Please keep things on-topic here guys and resist the urge to make your argument personal.
It's fine to debate the phones and the review but I don't want to see personal attacks or bad language being used... This will be your only warning.
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[VIDEO] HTC One vs Galaxy S4 vs Optimus G Pro Direct Sunlight Comparison

I figured some people might want to see what these devices look like when viewed outside in the sunlight.
You guys can draw your own conclusions. I'll remain silent.
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Here's a little redo:
LG Optimus G Pro still gets the short end of the stick here. The video didn't start playing. It is my daily use phone so please don't be outraged and say I'm trying to jack the results.
I love the phone, but the screen's sensitivity falls short IMO when compared to the other ones here. Not a deal breaker. Just takes a little bit more getting use to.
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I figured some people might want to see what these devices look like when viewed outside in the sunlight.
You guys can draw your own conclusions. I'll remain silent.
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htc is winner
chrisngrod said:
I figured some people might want to see what these devices look like when viewed outside in the sunlight.
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The SGS4 needs to be on auto-brightness to achieve its maximum brightness levels. Setting it to "max" manually results in 34% less brightness than using it in bright light in auto mode. It's kind of odd but here's the reasoning...
OLED displays are generally not as bright as the brightest LCD displays. There are two reasons for this: first, while OLED power efficiency has been steadily improving they are not yet as power efficient as the best LCDs. Second: there is a marketing obsession for producing ultra thin and light weight Smartphones, which sacrifices much needed battery power. Since the display often uses 50 percent or more of the total Smartphone power, various display power management schemes are frequently used. The Galaxy S4 uses one innovative approach to overcome this – when Automatic Brightness is turned on, the Peak Brightness becomes significantly brighter in high ambient lighting than is possible with Manual Brightness, up to as high as 475 cd/m2, which is 34 percent higher than is possible with Manual Brightness. This is done so that users can’t permanently set the brightness to very high values, which would run down the battery quickly​.http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
^This is the kind of productive information that allows for better videos.
I will rerun it as I did verify that the GS4 is dimmer under the conditions explained above.
My Note 2 is running CM10.1 so this could be causing different results. It does not behave in the same manner. Auto brightness = 100% manual brightness.
EDIT: I swore I could replicate this under a fluorescent soft box before, but now I can't. Really want to try this out, and it's dark now.
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My Note 2 is running CM10.1 so this could be causing different results. It does not behave in the same manner. Auto brightness = 100% manual brightness.
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It's new on the SGS4. Here's another "feature" that impacts max brightness. Auto Tone caps max brightness at 375 cd/m2. Adapt Display also affects brightness but it's not linear so the impact is hard to measure. Between these three settings all the reviews have been screwed up in terms of brightness evaluation with wide swings in their results because the reviewers didn't know their impact.
The Samsung Galaxy S4's Full HD SuperAMOLED screen is the best AMOLED display we've seen on a smartphone. However if you're noticing subpar brightness some of the time, there's an option in "Display settings" you might want to take a look at. By default, the Galaxy S4 and many other Samsung devices ship with "Auto adjust display tone" turned on. You can find it under Settings > My device > Display > More settings. When enabled, it tweaks the display brightness based on the on-screen image to avoid burning through an excessive amount of juice. Most of the time you might not notice this, but there's an easy way to see its effects. When there's a lot of white space on-screen, "Auto adjust screen tone" will dim the display slightly to save power. The effect is subtle, but jump between a website like Google in the web browser and your home screen and you'll probably notice that after a split second the page is dimmed slightly. That's good if you want to save power, bad if you want to take full advantage of that big, bright screen. So if you favor battery life, you can leave it turned on - after all, it's designed to save power. But to get the brightest possible image on your Galaxy S4, you may well want to turn this setting off.​Samsung Adapt Display: The Galaxy S4 "learns" what you are viewing and adjusts the display's brightness accordingly. If the phone senses you are reading an article, for example, it will illuminate from a more muted brightness.​
I do believe that I mentioned the auto tone was disabled in which it was.
Under the notes it'll be edited to reflect this information and a link to the test WITH the GS4 in auto mode. Heck the next one will have all of them in auto.
The LG Optimus G Pro is similar to the iPhone in the sense that the manual brightness level impacts the max auto brightness level.
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We here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2288003 think that you intentionally set the brightness on G Pro to 76% instead of full brightness on HTC One. That's why One won this test. We think that you might want to retest them again, and set them all to 100% to make the honest competition so to stop spreading FUD
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We here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2288003 think that you intentionally set the brightness on G Pro to 76% instead of full brightness on HTC One. That's why One won this test. We think that you might want to retest them again, and set them all to 100% to make the honest competition so to stop spreading FUD
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He's not trying to cheat the GPRO look it up on review site they will confirm the ONE has a better and brighter screen it's the best screen out currently on a smartphone.
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He's not trying to cheat the GPRO look it up on review site
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Yes, sir, I did exactly it, review you mentioned states
LG’s IPS display technology is simply the best in the biz.
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Period
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they will confirm the ONE has a better and brighter screen it's the best screen out currently on a smartphone.
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And stop spreading FUD that One's display is top of the pop and best in industry since G Pro is toppest one. It's brighter when set to 100% setting, more vivid, more readable
Billy Madison said:
And stop spreading FUD that One's display is top of the pop and best in industry since G Pro is toppest one. It's brighter when set to 100% setting, more vivid, more readable
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We'll see if Anandtech eventually releases a review of the phone. Nothing, and absolutely nothing beats the depth of reviews on Anandtech. And I also don't get you coming to this forum specifically to look for posts saying your phone isn't as good in this or that feature etc etc. An OPINION was provided on Android Central, fact based on actual measurements are missing for both sides, so everyone just chill out.
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An OPINION was provided on Android Central, fact based on actual measurements are missing for both sides, so everyone just chill out.
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You don't read what is written? If I, say, set brightness level on HTC One to 10% and at the same time set G Pro to 100% and then compare them under the sun saying "See, HTC One just doesn't stand up to greatest G pro cause it's dim" would you remain silent? Or you go "Stop, but One is only set to 10%, how do you compare them so wrong?" I think the second
Yes, antiglare coating on G Pro is too bad but in the case of video testing it doesn't matter , sun doesn't reflect from this particular angle of view in the video
[QUOTE=ArmedandDangerous; And I also don't get you coming to this forum specifically to look for posts saying your phone isn't as good in this or that feature etc etc.
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Stop this childish playground attitude. People can post wherever they like, you do not own this space.
This guy has every right to post here especially if it is a comparison thread, and for the sakes of balance we need challenging input....regardless of whether he/she posts things that are subjective/objective.
This is what I posted on the other thread:
If I wanted to cheat on purpose... I don't think I would have pulled the notification bars down. I did so to check however it was very bright and the G Pro was the furthest away from me. No one probably understands how awkward it is to mount a camera while staying out of view of the frame (the camera is pointing straight down), and attempt to do this at your apartment.
It was also noted in earlier in the thread that the GS4 NEEDS to be in auto mode to achieve full brightness. I've left in the notes that this video has issues. It will most likely be pulled when the new one is made.
You know why it was set at 76%? It's because the LG Optimus G Pro is the most sensitive out of the bunch and by accident it was lowered. I already stated I'm no expert.
Feel free to call be stupid, but the LG Optimus G Pro is actually my daily use phone. So I would love for it to win everything.
It's called I was sweating my balls off and did it unintentionally.
Either way you still watched my video and it was still monetized for the people who want to act like an ass. I state that I'm not an expert, and I ask for input.
I would have redone it yesterday, but it wasn't very sunny out.
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HTC one looks the best here, no contest.
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I've used the LG displays and they are no where near as good as the HTC One display. Review sites can say whatever they like, they are mostly biased and or paid anyway, so it doesn't count. I've used and owned almost all the top spec android phones out in the last 3 years, and size withstanding, for quality and brightness, nothing beats the One screen. Nothing.
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I've used the LG displays and they are no where near as good as the HTC One display. Review sites can say whatever they like, they are mostly biased and or paid anyway, so it doesn't count. I've used and owned almost all the top spec android phones out in the last 3 years
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What top LG's phones have you used in last 3 years?
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If I wanted to cheat on purpose.
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It's great that you spend your own time producing videos that show how devices perform in the "real world" which objective reviews don't often do. AnandTech and GSMArena have posted corrections at times so testing isn't always perfect. People that only want their device to "win" will only be satisfied if it does and will diss you otherwise. Don't let it get you down.
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ArmedandDangerous; And I also don't get you coming to this forum specifically to look for posts saying your phone isn't as good in this or that feature etc etc.
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Stop this childish playground attitude. People can post wherever they like said:
It isn't constructive nor "challenging input" when he goes on the offensive from his first post when the OP has done nothing to deserve. If you questiopn his testing methodology, say it, not spew hate and go on and on about "spreading FUD". Nobody cares to read negative feedback, nor should they be encouraged.
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Here's a little redo:
LG Optimus G Pro still gets the short end of the stick here. The video didn't start playing. It is my daily use phone so please don't be outraged and say I'm trying to jack the results.
I love the phone, but the screen's sensitivity falls short IMO when compared to the other ones here. Not a deal breaker. Just takes a little bit more getting use to.
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Here's a little redo:
LG Optimus G Pro still gets the short end of the stick here. The video didn't start playing.
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Yeah, we noticed, but it's really not an issue to raise a rant. And nevertheless I think the sensitivity of touchscreen in G Pro is very good compared to older phones.
Well I might need some help. Could you compare your devices on the point of colors reproduction? Read this topic I can't prove them that G Pro has not got perfect display. Could you compare your HTC One with G Pro and tell is G Pro better or HTC One is better and more accurately calibrated? And not at 100% brightness level of course but at daily office 50% brightness setting

My sad Xperia Z2 story.

My story is much and boring , but please endeavour to read and suggest solutions for me. Here goes the story: As a longtime iOS user, I decided to take android os on a spin, and after watching several reviews and much of info seeking, I decided to try out the sony coz I believe its the only android that has a quality build next to iPhones. I also considered other brands like samsung and htc,bt none suited my need(besides I hate samsung and touchwiz with passion?)
Anyways I decided to buy the xperia z3 but the its waaaay too expensive here in my country, so I traded-in my one-year old iPhone 5 and a samsung galaxy tab 3 8.0 that was given to me as a gift just to get xperia z2,coz i came to learn that it has no much difference with the z3, besides the z2 has a larger battery. And so I did, got the xperia z2 last week and I must admit, it looks gorgeous. The screen is awesome!! However, I'm still facing some issues that frustrates me all the time about this phone to an extent of making me regret buying the phone, but I'm hoping that I can get solutions to the problems so as to enjoy the phone to the fullest!! ?
1. Call quality issues: This is undoubtedly the most annoying one. My girlfriend always complain that she cant hear me well whenever we are talking on the phone,and that breaks my heart alot! I mean a buying such an adorable phone with a premium price tag and yet cant even enjoy a good call quality is a miss!! I did some research on the problem and learnt that its quite a common problem with the z2, and as a user on the forum suggested, I flashed the .314 (4.4.2) firmware on it and the problem has reduced a little bit, not completely thou. Its even worse on 4.4.4(which it came out with out of the box).
Q]Could it be a software related problem? Or perhaps hardware? Is there any workaround about it? Will the lollipop update fix this issue??
2. Camera: "xperia 2 has one of the best camera out there" as stated by many reviewers, but thats not true as far as I'm concerned. Yes it has a massive 20.7 mp but honestly I still miss the camera on iphone. The images z2 takes are somewhat blurry and has lots of noise, they aren't as crispy sharp as that taken by an iphone. Could have tempered with the manual mode, bt im not a photograph expert. Can someone walk me through? ☺
3. Battery: Well, I can't complain much about this coz z2 has the best battery on any smartphone iv ever owned. That said, when I got it the first few days, the power management estimated about 2 days of usage and I was super happy about that, now after few days it only shows 1 day at most. Could something have gone wrong?
4.Heating issues: Seems like this is one of the most complained about issue regarding the xperia z2. Even though I have not experienced any severe overheating case that will hinder its usage, the device still get warm on average usage and that feels abit uncomfortable to the palm. Although I understand it has a glass back panel so it will conduct much heat. Iv already ordered for a case, hopefully that will solve my heating problem.
Thats pretty much it guys. I hope I will get some solutions from you. Thanks
(PS: 1.Sorry about my english 2. I can't return the device back to place of purchase coz I got it from a local retailer. 3. And oh! Its the D6502 model running 4.4.2 .314)
Thanks
upgrade the firmware, there are lots of improvements
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upgrade the firmware, there are lots of improvements
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Like I mentioned above, it came with the latest firmware out of the box which has the worst call quality problem. So I had to downgrade to find ease. Reccomend any ftf specifically?
I think its an old update 4.4.4 is the latest
And by the way iphone is a different species compared to android so i think the hardware components is much more different thats why you can't find what iphone's cam to a xperia
On calls maybe it about the network
1. Call quality issues: Yes, this problem is there since the microfon is at the bottom of the phone. Its not a software problem, i also having the problem when talking with someone. The solution i made, talking with my hand covering the microfon OR i had to use a handsfree. This is Sony mistake of the build Z2(bottom microphone). Sad, theres no other solution.
2. Camera: Dont have much problem about the camera. Yeah, we have some people reported that the camera was abit lag from the previous sofware version, but the camera is still good and i dont have much problem about it. About the noise, i also dont hv so much problem. I can take picture well and ive compare my picture with my brother's iPhone 5s, and yet he said my picture taken from my Z2 is more better then his iphone.
3. Battery: Depend how u use your phone, but for me this device has the best battery life ever! Im also a heavy type user, but 1-2 days is already enough for me.
4.Heating issues: This is normal when u always playing games or multitasking with non-stop usage of ur phone. I dont experience this problem coz im not playing game with my phone.
I hope this will help you a little. :fingers-crossed:
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1. Call quality issues: Yes, this problem is there since the microfon is at the bottom of the phone. Its not a software problem, i also having the problem when talking with someone. The solution i made, talking with my hand covering the microfon OR i had to use a handsfree. This is Sony mistake of the build Z2(bottom microphone). Sad, theres no other solution.
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Really?? Never knew there could be another location for microphone apart from the bottom, except for the one above which is used for video recording. Pardon my noobness. So is bottom not the ideal location for a microphone?
With the call quality, I have experienced a lot of problems. Some say turning off noise suppression helps. Personally the best fix I have found is using a custom ROM (eXistenZ) as niaboc79 provided a fix what works (Sony, you could learn a lot from the community).
Re: Mic location. With how big the phone is it is stupid how low down Sony positioned the mic. A better place would have been next to the bottom speaker (the sides) or just above the bottom speaker. It really needs to be higher up and on the front side (like the low price phones they make)
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Really?? Never knew there could be another location for microphone apart from the bottom, except for the one above which is used for video recording. Pardon my noobness. So is bottom not the ideal location for a microphone?
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Sorry, i think u missunderstood what i mean actually. I cant explain it clearly to u, my english is so bad. Look at the Z3 main mic, at the front-bottom instead the Z2(bottom-bottom). The Z3 mic more closer to our mouth when we speak. So when talking on the phone, voice from the Z3 is more easily to be hear then the Z2. I hope this will explain, otherwise i need someone to help me. Sorry for my bad english. :fingers-crossed:
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Sorry, i think u missunderstood what i mean actually. I cant explain it clearly to u, my english is so bad. Look at the Z3 main mic, at the front-bottom instead the Z2(bottom-bottom). The Z3 mic more closer to our mouth when we speak. So when talking on the phone, voice from the Z3 is more easily to be hear then the Z2. I hope this will explain, otherwise i need someone to help me. Sorry for my bad english. :fingers-crossed:
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I think you explained it perfectly. I didn't realise the Z3 had this and that is what I was describing in my post before yours
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I think you explained it perfectly. I didn't realise the Z3 had this and that is what I was describing in my post before yours
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That microphone location on the Z3 likely due to complaints from the Z2 users. I think everyone including me didnt expect this the day we bought it. Right?
I had to turn off the noise suppression on my z2 as the volume is low as well.
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With the call quality, I have experienced a lot of problems. Some say turning off noise suppression helps. Personally the best fix I have found is using a custom ROM (eXistenZ) as niaboc79 provided a fix what works (Sony, you could learn a lot from the community).
Re: Mic location. With how big the phone is it is stupid how low down Sony positioned the mic. A better place would have been next to the bottom speaker (the sides) or just above the bottom speaker. It really needs to be higher up and on the front side (like the low price phones they make)
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Wow! i never thought anything will make me flash a custom rom on a snappy and fast ui like that of xperias(its fast and responsive ui is actually one of the reasons why i went for the sony)....but if doing so will bring an end to my nightmares then im all in.
Ok i have a few questions for you please coz i want to be sure im doing the right thing before i proceed....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...m-existenz-ultimate-1-0-5-light-dark-t2835196 this is the link to the right existenz rom right?
And the fix you were talking about,is it based on your personal experience or it was stated in the changelog?
If it happens im going to flash the rom,i will definitely need a backup,can you please suggest any automated way of doing so? coz i have lots of apps and apps data on the internal storage. I would prefer a general backup and restore that will return the phone contents to their former places like nothing has happened,
Thanks alot
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Wow! i never thought anything will make me flash a custom rom on a snappy and fast ui like that of xperias(its fast and responsive ui is actually one of the reasons why i went for the sony)....but if doing so will bring an end to my nightmares then im all in.
Ok i have a few questions for you please coz i want to be sure im doing the right thing before i proceed....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...m-existenz-ultimate-1-0-5-light-dark-t2835196 this is the link to the right existenz rom right?
And the fix you were talking about,is it based on your personal experience or it was stated in the changelog?
If it happens im going to flash the rom,i will definitely need a backup,can you please suggest any automated way of doing so? coz i have lots of apps and apps data on the internal storage. I would prefer a general backup and restore that will return the phone contents to their former places like nothing has happened,
Thanks alot
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That's the right ROM. The fix was first provided by niaboc79 in v3.1.0 (I think) or maybe it was an add on. Either way I flashed the file what contained the fix as people kept complaining they couldn't hear me. From then on I have had no problems at all, I think the fix was also included in every version since the fix was provided.
Titanium backup is by far the easiest way to backup your data. Back it all up to the external SD card (this can be done in tb. Menu>Preferences>Backup Folder Location>Navigate to the external SD card and create a new tb folder. Upon installation of the ROM you can install tb and then restore your backups (you may need to re-navigate to the tb backup folder in tb).
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That's the right ROM. The fix was first provided by niaboc79 in v3.1.0 (I think) or maybe it was an add on. Either way I flashed the file what contained the fix as people kept complaining they couldn't hear me. From then on I have had no problems at all, I think the fix was also included in every version since the fix was provided.
Titanium backup is by far the easiest way to backup your data. Back it all up to the external SD card (this can be done in tb. Menu>Preferences>Backup Folder Location>Navigate to the external SD card and create a new tb folder. Upon installation of the ROM you can install tb and then restore your backups (you may need to re-navigate to the tb backup folder in tb).
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Woow this is great. Thanks alot mate. I will flash at my leisure and report back.:good:
About the other caller not hearing you, if it doesn't work you should replace your phone, if you bought it new. I read that call quality was a problem in some earlier models,, the same problem that you and I experienced.
When I went to buy mine in the store, they had 2 available. I got one, put my sim card in it, and called someone, who told me that they can't hear me very well. Without leaving the store, because I wanted to return it right away, I tried disabling noise suppression, playing with the volumes, but nothing worked. I got the other available Z2, made a call, the other person said they could hear me fine, so I got that one. Unfortunately, this one also has problems, the lower speaker is distorting a bit at higher volumes (no sound mods), but I only found that out at home. I may replace it again someday.
So I say it's just poor build quality, and if the existenz rom doesn't work for you, you should try to get it replaced by the shop or Sony. We shouldn't be the ones trying to repair mistakes that Sony made. Nonetheless, I really love this phone.
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About the other caller not hearing you, if it doesn't work you should replace your phone, if you bought it new. I read that call quality was a problem in some earlier models,, the same problem that you and I experienced.
When I went to buy mine in the store, they had 2 available. I got one, put my sim card in it, and called someone, who told me that they can't hear me very well. Without leaving the store, because I wanted to return it right away, I tried disabling noise suppression, playing with the volumes, but nothing worked. I got the other available Z2, made a call, the other person said they could hear me fine, so I got that one. Unfortunately, this one also has problems, the lower speaker is distorting a bit at higher volumes (no sound mods), but I only found that out at home. I may replace it again someday.
So I say it's just poor build quality, and if the existenz rom doesn't work for you, you should try to get it replaced by the shop or Sony. We shouldn't be the ones trying to repair mistakes that Sony made. Nonetheless, I really love this phone.
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The thing is people can hear me talking but not can not get what im saying so they are always asking me to repeat myself and its super annoying ?. Just finished making a call with a friend and I had to yell before she could hear me, and that actually provoked me!!! I really regret buying this phone!!!!
As for returning it, I can't do that hear, no any sony store. Once bought its yours forever! What a piece of crap arrrghh!!!
PS. I dont think mine is the earlier model coz it shipped with 4.4.4 Not sure though
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The thing is people can hear me talking but not can not get what im saying so they are always asking me to repeat myself and its super annoying . Just finished making a call with a friend and I had to yell before she could hear me, and that actually provoked me!!! I really regret buying this phone!!!!
As for returning it, I can't do that hear, no any sony store. Once bought its yours forever! What a piece of crap arrrghh!!!
PS. I dont think mine is the earlier model coz it shipped with 4.4.4 Not sure though
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Several things you can try in order to understand the problem better:
Try a headset, just to see whether the problem is to do with the mic (software or hardware).
Try a recording software to see what it sounds like for yourself. Try different environments, noisy and quiet.
Try talking over Hangouts for example to see if the quality is any different.
There's a setting for the amount of noise suppression applied, try the quiet environment setting or turning it off completely.
I guess you are probably unlucky, as I've never had people complaining to me about the voice quality.
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Several things you can try in order to understand the problem better:
Try a headset, just to see whether the problem is to do with the mic (software or hardware).
Try a recording software to see what it sounds like for yourself. Try different environments, noisy and quiet.
Try talking over Hangouts for example to see if the quality is any different.
There's a setting for the amount of noise suppression applied, try the quiet environment setting or turning it off completely.
I guess you are probably unlucky, as I've never had people complaining to me about the voice quality.
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If tried recording with an app and it was superb so I suppose its not a hardware issue.
Anyways I have flashed the existenz rom and I'll be testing for the next couple days, although so far so good. I really hope lollipop update will bring a fix to this, sometimes I prefer to remain stock.
Call quality... I've never had anyone complain about not hearing me properly on mine so I can't help you. It could just be that you have a small head and so the mic placement at the very bottom doesn't help you at all lol.
Camera.... The superior auto mode is notoriously poor. It usually cranks up the iso and exposure producing very noisy photos. To get the best results, use it with manual controls. It's not difficult. You have the basic settings. Exposure, white balance or colour temperature, and iso.
For exposure, you can leave it at default most of the time only adjusting when really needed.
White balance has five options. Auto which I strongly recommend not using in daylight. Use the sunny or cloudy options.
The key really is ISO, this is where the auto mode does most of its damage by cranking the value way to high.
Under daylight and florescent lighting, use the lowest value of 50 mostly but no higher than 100. For incandescent lighting say coming from a bulb or lamp, use iso 200. ISO is basically the sensors sensitivity to light, the higher this value the more luminescent noise is present. In general, never go above 400 unless you're in a really dark room and don't want to use the flash. And when you use 400 it's advisable to drop the exposure value down a notch or two or three lol
Its really simple, just play around with the settings. In order words adjust them until what you see in the viewfinder closely resembles the scene you're trying to take.
Unfortunately the Sony auto software doesn't come anywhere close to that on the iPhone but with manual controls, it spanks the iPhone. It's a great camera especially on 4.4.4 which I recommend you return to. Maybe hold the phone higher up when calling so your mouth is closer to the mic.
Overheating hasn't been a problem for me for a while especially after 4.4.4. There was the 4k problem but that's largely resolved. I can shoot 10 min videos no problem now.
Battery life as you said is excellent even though worse on 4.4.4 but I believe that's because of the increased brightness. On older firmware, it maxed out at 420 nits but now it goes up to 520 nits. Also the z2 unlike the z3 has a very warm and colourful panel. Probably the most colourful lcd panel ever produced and that takes it toll on battery as well. That's probably why Sony toned things down considerable with the z3 series to make good their 2 day promise but I hate cold displays and one of the main reasons I'd always recommend the z2 over its newer sibling. Well that and the fact that it's camera is also more consistent at focusing in lower light and the fact that it's much cheaper.
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Call quality... I've never had anyone complain about not hearing me properly on mine so I can't help you. It could just be that you have a small head and so the mic placement at the very bottom doesn't help you at all lol.
Camera.... The superior auto mode is notoriously poor. It usually cranks up the iso and exposure producing very noisy photos. To get the best results, use it with manual controls. It's not difficult. You have the basic settings. Exposure, white balance or colour temperature, and iso.
For exposure, you can leave it at default most of the time only adjusting when really needed.
White balance has five options. Auto which I strongly recommend not using in daylight. Use the sunny or cloudy options.
The key really is ISO, this is where the auto mode does most of its damage by cranking the value way to high.
Under daylight and florescent lighting, use the lowest value of 50 mostly but no higher than 100. For incandescent lighting say coming from a bulb or lamp, use iso 200. ISO is basically the sensors sensitivity to light, the higher this value the more luminescent noise is present. In general, never go above 400 unless you're in a really dark room and don't want to use the flash. And when you use 400 it's advisable to drop the exposure value down a notch or two or three lol
Its really simple, just play around with the settings. In order words adjust them until what you see in the viewfinder closely resembles the scene you're trying to take.
Unfortunately the Sony auto software doesn't come anywhere close to that on the iPhone but with manual controls, it spanks the iPhone. It's a great camera especially on 4.4.4 which I recommend you return to. Maybe hold the phone higher up when calling so your mouth is closer to the mic.
Overheating hasn't been a problem for me for a while especially after 4.4.4. There was the 4k problem but that's largely resolved. I can shoot 10 min videos no problem now.
Battery life as you said is excellent even though worse on 4.4.4 but I believe that's because of the increased brightness. On older firmware, it maxed out at 420 nits but now it goes up to 520 nits. Also the z2 unlike the z3 has a very warm and colourful panel. Probably the most colourful lcd panel ever produced and that takes it toll on battery as well. That's probably why Sony toned things down considerable with the z3 series to make good their 2 day promise but I hate cold displays and one of the main reasons I'd always recommend the z2 over its newer sibling. Well that and the fact that it's camera is also more consistent at focusing in lower light and the fact that it's much cheaper.
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Well said. I would surely play with the manual settings. Thanks

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