Polls here show the vast majority of Notes are not faulty, so the faults reported here from the minority are probably typical for any leading edge smart phone. No device is guaranteed 100% fault free which is why manufacturers provide a warranty.
You're right! Many people come to XDA to seek help, some to vent their frustrations. But most of us are happy users. If only each happy user were to start a thread about how great their phone is!
Not a good idea at all; I'm just kidding!
Blessed Christmas to all.
Gaugerer said:
Polls here show the vast majority of Notes are not faulty, so the faults reported here from the minority are probably typical for any leading edge smart phone. No device is guaranteed 100% fault free which is why manufacturers provide a warranty.
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All peoples do have a different views about what are acceptable and not. Some do accept the minor flaws and others dont.
One thing for sure, are all Notes owners do have these screen/video issues that already mentioned in the threads, some more/others less visible and some just accept it, others dont.
Can be many reasons, why peoples see them not a issue and maybe think future updates might fix it. Or just dont watch video alot on the phone, others features they like on the Note and makes them to keep it, or for whatever reasons.
The Note might is not faulty, but really do have issues and up to everyone to decide.
Its different between, faulty and issues.
I only count no more then 7 people with issues on the front page. Banding is a known thing on amoled screens and we all know that's a software issue.
I've tried all the steps and have seen no issues. I find the witch hunt funny. There's nothing to accept, when my phone doesn't show vertical lines nor dark spots.
If you have to crawl to a dark spot, triple check the brightness level, and use a app that shows complete white/gray screen to find a dead pixel or lines then I think the issue is bigger than the phone.
Now if its something you can see with normal everyday use, then that's a different story.
dt33 said:
All peoples do have a different views about what are acceptable and not. Some do accept the minor flaws and others dont.
One thing for sure, are all Notes owners do have these screen/video issues that already mentioned in the threads, some more/others less visible and some just accept it, others dont.
Can be many reasons, why peoples see them not a issue and maybe think future updates might fix it. Or just dont watch video alot on the phone, others features they like on the Note and makes them to keep it, or for whatever reasons.
The Note might is not faulty, but really do have issues and up to everyone to decide.
Its different between, faulty and issues.
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GALAXY NOTE
dt33 said:
All peoples do have a different views about what are acceptable and not. Some do accept the minor flaws and others dont.
One thing for sure, are all Notes owners do have these screen/video issues that already mentioned in the threads, some more/others less visible and some just accept it, others dont.
Can be many reasons, why peoples see them not a issue and maybe think future updates might fix it. Or just dont watch video alot on the phone, others features they like on the Note and makes them to keep it, or for whatever reasons.
The Note might is not faulty, but really do have issues and up to everyone to decide.
Its different between, faulty and issues.
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You cannot say for sure what all Note owners have experienced on their phones. However, it is very clear from the polls here that the vast majority of owners do not find the phone faulty. It is not up to the minority to try and convince the majority that they are wrong, but to convince the person they bought it from that it is faulty if they want action taken.
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If you have to crawl to a dark spot, triple check the brightness level, and use a app that shows complete white/gray screen to find a dead pixel or lines then I think the issue is bigger than the phone.
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"There are people who have issues with their purchase that I do not have and I cannot comprehend that. They must be losers!"
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"There are people who have issues with their purchase that I do not have and I cannot comprehend that. They must be losers!"
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There is the point of a the human brain it thinks what do i need what do i have is it suited for me is a noticable problem and how much will it be fixed with a software upgrade can i wait till then.
My phone has black lines vertical horizontal on gray with low brightness. I see them when i test it with a gray background i am not runing with a gray wallpaper arround. Problem with crap designed apks or whatever is it that cant handle the 24bit from the display aka xda and skype application launch wallpaper with blue brown stripes not be fluid on transition. It may be a phone software problem not apps. Another problem it has black squares on dark video scenes. It brings me in memory my pc from 1999 or so and first stages of windows 2k a mix of unstable 1998windows and windows NT which was the most gosu windows they had it was something like linux/unix. And last but not least S Pen problem on photo editor on portait mode it cant draw on the edge of the same side that has bin configuired the spen. Ohh forgot the pink dot on macro pictures with camera on white page with low light.
I see three solutions
1. Avoid the contions which replicate the problems and be happy with the most imba gosu wtf lovely smartphone outthere till they fix them and you can do all things without thinking about those issues.
2. Wait till they fix the problems and buy the phone. But i would say buy it now and wait for a fix you will not be dissapointed. BUT DONT BUY IT VIA ONLINE A SHOP NEAR YOU IS BETTER MAY BE A BIT MORE MONEY BUT THE SERVICE IS A MUST FOR ME. from net go buy **** items max 100 bucks not more so you dont cry your money. My oppinion about online shoping. I want to buy a ue40d8090 on shop 1499€ on net 1297€, but if i have a problem the 200€ isnt worth it the calls and stress and the days to send wait for it back.
3. Go buy a other flawless phone like iphone 4s plx if you cant live with those problems.
Hope it will help ya deside what is better for you.
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People have been having screen issues far beyond little blemishes. Since this phone costs ~$800 it is understandable why they're irked
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Polls here show the vast majority of Notes are not faulty, so the faults reported here from the minority are probably typical for any leading edge smart phone. No device is guaranteed 100% fault free which is why manufacturers provide a warranty.
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I'm not sure what' your point is here. Yes, most first gen devices have some bugs to be worked out and the Note has some of those. I will say that it is the only phone I have ever had to return because of such a serious flaw but that can happen and I will still be using a Note because it's such an overall great device. Forums, whether tech or not, will always bring out the questions, concerns and minority problem finders but at $700+, people are going to want a device that performs.
Tapatalk is good
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I'm not sure what' your point is here. Yes, most first gen devices have some bugs to be worked out and the Note has some of those. I will say that it is the only phone I have ever had to return because of such a serious flaw but that can happen and I will still be using a Note because it's such an overall great device. Forums, whether tech or not, will always bring out the questions, concerns and minority problem finders but at $700+, people are going to want a device that performs.
Tapatalk is good
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I would have thought my title for this thread makes my point very clearly. Polls here show the vast majority of owners do not find that their phone is faulty when using it, me included. So the minority who fear all Notes might be faulty can feel re-assured and make a claim under the warranty.
Braxos said:
3. Go buy a other flawless phone like iphone 4s plx if you cant live with those problems.
Hope it will help ya deside what is better for you.
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I had broken iphone after broken iphone, then I got sick of having to send it back again and again for faulty batteries, broken screens, burnt out displays and messed up home buttons. Yes, 4 iphones in 1 year. That's the MOST i've ever had to exchange a phone. I on the other have had this SGS2 for 8 months, and still working. I have had blackberries last longer. My 9700 lasted a LONG time, it was a great device. I will NEVER buy another iPhone again just due to their quality control. I love their CS. I got a new phone every time, but still, I shouldn't need to go a full month without a phone over the course of a year just because their QC is lame. Regardless, I know the majority of people love their iphones because it's simple and people want simplicity, Give me options over simplicity any day
But I get your point. Still, the Note is a FANTASTERASTIC device
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I would have thought my title for this thread makes my point very clearly. Polls here show the vast majority of owners do not find that their phone is faulty when using it, me included. So the minority who fear all Notes might be faulty can feel re-assured and make a claim under the warranty.
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I guess that would be the point of the poll in the first place.
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My Note works flawlessly.
intruda119 said:
I only count no more then 7 people with issues on the front page. Banding is a known thing on amoled screens and we all know that's a software issue.
I've tried all the steps and have seen no issues. I find the witch hunt funny. There's nothing to accept, when my phone doesn't show vertical lines nor dark spots.
If you have to crawl to a dark spot, triple check the brightness level, and use a app that shows complete white/gray screen to find a dead pixel or lines then I think the issue is bigger than the phone.
Now if its something you can see with normal everyday use, then that's a different story.
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Agreed.
Aside from a small number of definite manufacturing faults, there are large numbers of complaints triggered by ignorance and disinformation on review sites and such.
I count complaints about banding, pentile screen artifacts, battery drain, IS/IS NOT Gorilla glass as witch hunt bs.
As I said in a similar thread, people tend to come to forums with problems looking for solutions. Citing unknown 'polls' for information isn't very productive either. This thread is closed.
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Okay, so I've had a few Heros and sent them all back apart from the one I have now. The main reason for returning 5 Heros so far, was the quality of the screen. Basically there was dust under the screen. I initially thought it was stuck pixels but I'm now certain it's dust.
Dust is visible during the boot animation. It looks like stuck pixels; really bright little points of light. The reason they're visible during the boot animation is because for some reason, the backlight is up full when the phone boots. This will highlight little specks of dust which may not necessarily be visible at other times.
Now, I've noticed another type of dust speck. This kind is visible when the phone is off, or in sleep mode. This type of dust speck is lit by ambient light, so it is visible only when the screen is off, or showing a black image etc, in bright daylight.
So logically, this would lead me to believe that there are at least 2 layers of screen into which dust can find its way and consequently show itself up differently; either highlighted by the screen backlight (like during the boot animation) or highlighted against the screen by ambient light.
When I got the Hero I'm currently using, I was glad to have finally received one with no screen dust. 2 days later, and I have 2 specks of dust, one of each type, both on the left hand side of the screen. This is B.S. because I'm obsessive about screen imperfections, and if dust is getting in now then what's it gonna look like in a month, or 10 months?
Why do HTC have such bad quality control? Or why have they made a screen that isn't sealed so any dust, lint or any other pocket sh*t combination thereof can get inside and irritate the hell out of me? This makes HTC look like amateurs. My SE P1 has sat in my pocket for 2 years and still has a visibly perfect screen.
I am now considering disassembling the handset to impliment my own cleaning and sealing of the internals. Does anyone know if there exists in circulation a technical manual for the Hero?
I had a feeling they weren't hot/dead pixels - 'cos they're only noticable to me when I adjust the viewing angle and blast my brightness up to full and on a black screen/image.
I think it should be accepted that the phone is a load of crap and that it's not going to be able to live up to what was promised.
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I think it should be accepted that the phone is a load of crap and that it's not going to be able to live up to what was promised.
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and who cares what you think?
Its actually a cracking phone despite some teething problems and i have had some, many people have had NO problems at all.
Its NEVER sensible to buy any new product when it first comes out as you often get initial 1st production run issues, especially in complex devices
so your basically talking out of your crack
My Nokia E71 had the same problem. The screen (what you think is the screen) is a protective glass/plastic sheet and the dust can get behind it (between it and the lcd). I only got it sorted when the dust built up so bad and it took the repair shop about 15 minutes to fix.
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and who cares what you think?
Its actually a cracking phone despite some teething problems and i have had some, many people have had NO problems at all.
Its NEVER sensible to buy any new product when it first comes out as you often get initial 1st production run issues, especially in complex devices
so your basically talking out of your crack
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and who cares what you think?
Its actually a cracking phone despite some teething problems and i have had some, many people have had NO problems at all.
Its NEVER sensible to buy any new product when it first comes out as you often get initial 1st production run issues, especially in complex devices
so your basically talking out of your crack
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No need to be rude.
On topic, I'm not sure how many more things need to be wrong with this handset before you'd agree with me. Aside from the all the hardware faults being reported people are recommending turning off widgets and apps (what's the point in multitasking if it takes twice as long?) and deleting parts of the OS to get it to run at something approaching smoothly. I know there are updates due but right now pretty much anything you want to do with the phone seems to be flawed. (funnily enough I'd finished typing the "anything" before my phone displayed "a" on the sceen).
Fair enough if you're loving it (though I could uncharitably say who cares what you think) but there's no way I'd recommend this phone to a friend.
I think you should accept that your talking crap, go on any site about any new tech and people are slagging it off this works that doesnt etc etc.
You will also find lots of people saying its great.
Now your backtracking on your own post , what if the update makes its great your going to look an even bigger twat than you look now.
Phone has been barely out a couple of months
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No need to be rude.
On topic, I'm not sure how many more things need to be wrong with this handset before you'd agree with me. Aside from the all the hardware faults being reported people are recommending turning off widgets and apps (what's the point in multitasking if it takes twice as long?) and deleting parts of the OS to get it to run at something approaching smoothly. I know there are updates due but right now pretty much anything you want to do with the phone seems to be flawed. (funnily enough I'd finished typing the "anything" before my phone displayed "a" on the sceen).
Fair enough if you're loving it (though I could uncharitably say who cares what you think) but there's no way I'd recommend this phone to a friend.
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I think you should accept that your talking crap, go on any site about any new tech and people are slagging it off this works that doesnt etc etc.
You will also find lots of people saying its great.
Now your backtracking on your own post , what if the update makes its great your going to look an even bigger twat than you look now.
Phone has been barely out a couple of months
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tatwamasi, I know you are right with some points about the hardware faults and all but i guess ( i wont say i think ...lol) that every new phone that comes out at one point has them.
Buying a product just after its release is a risk to take if you know what i mean but hey who cares as long as the warantee is there
anyway, i think the htc hero is a great phone. Its just that many of us had high expectations. too much maybe. Many of us complain of the lag and stuff... so far i havent used any smartphone without one. of course you might mention the "iphone" to me but let me just say that i prefer a laggy phone with the capability of running applications on the background than a smooth one without the multitask capab.
Like spacecat said, i am sure there'll be an update to fix these things.
Cheers!!!!!!!
Here here!
Awsome Handset! Awsome O/S!
Teething issues to be epected with all devices of this stature!
and if you implement the correct apps and methods your lag issues are solved! (e.g swapper + Taskill) Simpuls! Worked for me
I know as I, most of the guys here on XDA have been running winmo for donkeys and android is a breath of fresh air!
This is XDA-DEVEPLOPERS lets stop *****ing and do something productive.....
P.S.... come on, really Dust in the screen you evven admitted you cannot see it while in normal operation
spacecat said:
I think you should accept that your talking crap, go on any site about any new tech and people are slagging it off this works that doesnt etc etc.
You will also find lots of people saying its great.
Now your backtracking on your own post , what if the update makes its great your going to look an even bigger twat than you look now.
Phone has been barely out a couple of months
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In no way did I backtrack. I can't be bothered to argue with you though. Bye!
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I think it should be accepted that the phone is a load of crap and that it's not going to be able to live up to what was promised.
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Let me know of a product that doesn't live up to what was promised. Oh and please explain your meaning of 'promised'
Can I be the ref here and step in with some points that can't really be denied.
1. Dust under screen: Unacceptable. Heard of quality control? Shoddy screen manufacture is fine, even expected in a handset from Tesco that costs £10. Not in the £400 HTC Android flagship.
2. Screen gap. Also unacceptable. I don't even need to explain why.
3. Early adoption = expect problems. I disagree. This is true in practice but not in principle. I didn't pay £400 to be a beta tester. If you can't get the tolerances/design/software sorted out for the first batch then don't sell any until you do.
I'll be the first to say that the Hero is one of the best handsets out there if not THE best, but these little manufacturing issues are a huge fail.
I feel your pain.
Since over a month I want to buy the HTC Hero. At different shops I checked about 7 or 8 devices - all had at list a single dust spot under the screen.
Completely agree with you, that is unacceptable. It doesn't take much in the manufacturing process to secure a dust-free environment.
So, as long as HTC is not able to provide a dust-free screen, I won't buy a HTC device.
I'll have another look at a new shipment when my dealer calls me. That will be it.
Dust under the screen is very irritating especially in bright daylight.
My eyes get fixated on it, can't help it! How much easer can life be for others who just don't care or just don't see it.
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I feel your pain.
My eyes get fixated on it, can't help it! How much easer can life be for others who just don't care or just don't see it.
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Well i have no dust under the screen. ( touch wood touch gold) . Maybe because the protective shield i applied on my screen goes slightly beyond the screen, thus covering the gaps and everthing. It is hardly noticable if u ask me.
deeren said:
Well i have no dust under the screen. ( touch wood touch gold) . Maybe because the protective shield i applied on my screen goes slightly beyond the screen, thus covering the gaps and everthing. It is hardly noticable if u ask me.
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For most peoples' cases, the dust was there before they received the phone - i.e. during the manufacturing process. For me, the dust is not such a big deal as it's not causing any problems with my day-to-day usage. Only when the dust starts to cause dead pixels, will I worry. But for now, I'm loving my Hero (even more so, now with Paul's latest 1.4.1 custom ROM) to bits!
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I think it should be accepted that the phone is a load of crap and that it's not going to be able to live up to what was promised.
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lmao, spoken like a true sadass.
Fact is when a phone comes out for the first month it isn't really what anyone expects, phones are always hyped up to be more than they are, or how would they sell? Happened with the Touch HD, Touch Pro, Touch Diamond, Touch Pro 2, heck, it was even with the iPhone for much much longer till Apple pulled their finger out.
The recent update from MoDaCo (1.4.1) has vastly improved things, and this isn't even the official update and its only the 1st update.
This phone lives up to my expectations because I was on earth, not somewhere out there drifting in space.
There are still issues with the phone, but like with all custom roms, they address the problems. Thanks Paul and all the developers / users out here who are feeding back problems to HTC and then fixing them for us great owners.
Oh, back on Topic. I had one spec which only showed on startup, but its gone now so I guess it was just dust. I wasn't bothered though, couldn't tell it was there in use.
Oh come on, worst reception of any handset I've ever had (across 5 separate Heroes) and build quality standards through the floor are the hallmarks of the Hero in my experience.
That's not taking into account the software issues (which I could stomach knowing that there's an update on the way).
Sorry if those things are to be expected, it's just that I've never had so many issues with a handset, but apparently it's standard? Oh well, welcome to your world then, I guess I should expect nothing to work when I buy it and hope it gets sorted later. It's unfortunate that this has been my introduction it's just that previously, everything did just work! (With the exception of the crappy camera on my W960i, that was much better after the update).
I appreciate that people feel some kind of bizarre emotional attachment to their purchases but I don't get why they'd say "I happened to get a good one so it doesn't matter! You have no right to be disappointed" when the issues are real and out there.
Perhaps it was naive of me to expect my text messages to arrive, for video playback to work and for me to be able to make phone calls on my phone (especially when the same SIM delivers decent reception in the same spot in another phone) but it does significantly diminish the experience for me. Camera's better than I thought it'd be, I'll give it that.
Either way, I'm not crying about it and my comment was meant to be flippant. Allowing myself to see my phone as a piece of crap that isn't going to work properly has given me the opportunity to chill out about it and not get annoyed. It's just a phone, oh well. I was hoping it'd be able to replace my iPod but I guess it won't be able to.
And that is how I made peace with the Hero. With any luck the significant issues in software will be sorted in the update. Until they are, I don't think I could possibly recommend it though and right now, I think I should have got an iPhone. C'est la vie.
Was that spoken like a true Sadass? Hope you got a big laugh if so.
I had initial issues LED failure, but it has since been repaired and the video playback is poor.
Otherwise im loving it , great form factor/design balance between screensize and phone size.
internet is superb on the browser and tethered to my laptop,
phone calls and messaging/emails work great and im lovin the apps and market place.
Love the customisable 7 screens no lag that i have noticed.
Best phone i have ever had YES perfect NO but what is..... if the update improves the video i dont know how i could fault it right now
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Oh come on, worst reception of any handset I've ever had (across 5 separate Heroes) and build quality standards through the floor are the hallmarks of the Hero in my experience.
That's not taking into account the software issues (which I could stomach knowing that there's an update on the way).
Sorry if those things are to be expected, it's just that I've never had so many issues with a handset, but apparently it's standard? Oh well, welcome to your world then, I guess I should expect nothing to work when I buy it and hope it gets sorted later. It's unfortunate that this has been my introduction it's just that previously, everything did just work! (With the exception of the crappy camera on my W960i, that was much better after the update).
I appreciate that people feel some kind of bizarre emotional attachment to their purchases but I don't get why they'd say "I happened to get a good one so it doesn't matter! You have no right to be disappointed" when the issues are real and out there.
Perhaps it was naive of me to expect my text messages to arrive, for video playback to work and for me to be able to make phone calls on my phone (especially when the same SIM delivers decent reception in the same spot in another phone) but it does significantly diminish the experience for me. Camera's better than I thought it'd be, I'll give it that.
Either way, I'm not crying about it and my comment was meant to be flippant. Allowing myself to see my phone as a piece of crap that isn't going to work properly has given me the opportunity to chill out about it and not get annoyed. It's just a phone, oh well. I was hoping it'd be able to replace my iPod but I guess it won't be able to.
And that is how I made peace with the Hero. With any luck the significant issues in software will be sorted in the update. Until they are, I don't think I could possibly recommend it though and right now, I think I should have got an iPhone. C'est la vie.
Was that spoken like a true Sadass? Hope you got a big laugh if so.
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Hold my hands up on that one, I thought you were only talking about software issues, not hardware, so I apologise.
I completely understand where you are coming from regarding hardware, seems HTC have had issues on a couple of their latest phones, Diamond 2, Pro 2.
I had a Touch Pro 2 and after the 5th, I gave up and got a refund. The hinges were loose, faulty, slack. The screen had actual dead pixels. Keyboards faulty. Screen loose.
Other than moving back to my Touch HD which was perfect in every way (after having custom rom made, and it really needed Windows Mobile 7 to make it perfect), I thought the Hero was the next step.
Hardware wise, for me, it is. It is perfectly built, feels solid in my hand, screen nice and clear, reception perfect for me (same as all other HTC devices I've had and my iPhone 3g).
I know some people have had major issues with phones and the majority seem to be the people with Orange's Graphite branded phones, gaps in screens, poor reception etc and it must be certain production lines causing the issue.
Hopefully more roms coming out will make the software spot on, but as for hardware, they all need sending back as £400 is a lot for a phone, like I said about the Touch Pro 2, when your paying that much for a phone you expect it to be perfect (hardware).
Aside from the hardware, there is so much achieved in this latest update from MoDaCo (1.5) and more and more software on the Market everyday, software will be 110% in the near future.
Hope your hardware issues get sorted, send it back!!
I just got my TF today and I'm loving every bit of it especially with the keyboard dock. When I first turned on my TF I notice the light bleed I guess it's pretty noticiable but I really don't wanna go through all the stress of returning or What if's...My question is does the light bleed expand or could it cause any issue to the hardware??? If not than I could live with it...
No it will stay as it is now, no harm will be done and it won't get worse. I have some on mine, I'm sure everybody does to some extent but I'm not bothered by it enough to return it either especially because everything else seems fine.
Really?
And what exactly is the purpose of this thread?
Do you not realize there are literally a hundred just like it?
Are you special?
Are we supposed to care?
No really...please explain what you are trying to accomplish with this thread as I am curious.
starplaya93 said:
Really?
And what exactly is the purpose of this thread?
Do you not realize there are literally a hundred just like it?
Are you special?
Are we supposed to care?
No really...please explain what you are trying to accomplish with this thread as I am curious.
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My question was that would the light bleed will get worse...since I have chance to return it than I'll return it if it's going to get worse if not than I can live with. Your just making me ask the same question twice...when you could've answered just like everyone else...I dunno the purpose of your reply.
wootek76 said:
My question was that would the light bleed will get worse...since I have chance to return it than I'll return it if it's going to get worse if not than I can live with. Your just making me ask the same question twice...when you could've answered just like everyone else...I dunno the purpose of your reply.
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Dude, there are literally like 3 or 4 other threads on the first page alone talking about the same exact thing as you...
If you really wanted to know if the problem would persist then why not just ask in one of those...
I mean come on now...
starplaya93 said:
Dude, there are literally like 3 or 4 other threads on the first page alone talking about the same exact thing as you...
If you really wanted to know if the problem would persist then why not just ask in one of those...
I mean come on now...
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Because of the magnitude of the number of threads on XDA, searching for your answers could prove to be quite difficult. Assuming the OP searched beforehand, I wouldn't hold it against him for posting what he did. Cut the guy some slack and if you have a problem with it, just dont reply. No need to make yourself look like a troll.
ANYWHO. I was wondering this myself and am glad you brought it up. Thanks for the input, guys.
bighuta said:
Because of the magnitude of the number of threads on XDA, searching for your answers could prove to be quite difficult. Assuming the OP searched beforehand, I wouldn't hold it against him for posting what he did. Cut the guy some slack and if you have a problem with it, just dont reply. No need to make yourself look like a troll.
ANYWHO. I was wondering this myself and am glad you brought it up. Thanks for the input, guys.
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What are you talking about?
There isn't even a need to use the XDA search funtion. Just scroll down the first page of the Transformer General forum and you'll see at least 3 or 4 other threads with "light-bleed" in their titles...
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My question is does the light bleed expand or could it cause any issue to the hardware??? If not than I could live with it...
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Mine didn't have any at first but it appeared within a couple of days.
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Mine didn't have any at first but it appeared within a couple of days.
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You sure it didn't just go unnoticed?
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I wonder what the % of failure are and the chances of the replacement being better or worse.
Maybe a poll would be interesting.
degeneration said:
You sure it didn't just go unnoticed?
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I'm certain of it, I mentioned in another post a while back and someone else replied that they were in the same situation. I'd handled it with kid gloves, no knocks or drops and I didn't have a dock to slot it into, so that couldn't have been a possible cause either.
I believe a lot of people saying "I didn't have any" but then report seeing it a day or so after purchase is a trick of the light.
For the first 12 hours I had my Transformer at the office, I was happy I had no bleed even on full brightness & a dark background (it was the first thing I checked) - Yey for me.
Soon as I got home and was out of a very well lit office and back under home lighting I could see 2 bleed spots quite obvious on the device (one on the bottom, one of the left - landscape).
Back in the office next day. Can't see them no matter how I look.
There's a little in mine, it's not expanding at all in a month or so. Only ever noticeable on boot...and that's about it.
I tend to not watch the credits in film at 100% brightness anyhow, so it's not like I ever notice it.
If I wanted to experience pure darkness, I'd lock myself in a basement and turn off the lights.
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Really?
And what exactly is the purpose of this thread?
No really...please explain what you are trying to accomplish with this thread as I am curious.
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The purpose of this thread (like 40 percent of other posters) is just to post some negative crap on this forum.
It didn't occure to them to post in the other 'let make it up as we go along light bleed' thread.
The 'i've heard that there were issues, but haven't really got one' thread.
The 'i'm a jealous GTab fanboy owner, and i get very upset when i still see waiting lists mentioned for the Transformer, so i thought i would come over here and post crap' thread.
Wow, you really have your head in the sand over these TF build issues, don't you? Do you own Asus stock or something?
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Wow, you really have your head in the sand over these TF build issues, don't you? Do you own Asus stock or something?
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No! i've had two myself, and know of three others, none of them have any light bleed or build quality issues.
I don't see any other forums loaded with negative crap, i haven't seen any reviews that mention it, and if it's so bad like people on here try to make out how come there hasn't been a recall? why aren't any of these issues mentioned on the android rss feeds? if every single transformer has an issue why have there been no enquires by the likes of ipad fanboys over at engadget? they'd love a knock Android story like this! if only that had some facts/samples to back it up with.
People on here try and make out like they've all got it, where it's more likely it's a couple of dodgy ones have got through quality control, (Asus of course do have it, unlike what people on here would like to have us believe).
At a guess (and this is purely a guess) I'd say most people never notice this under normal lighting conditions. A lot of people don't notice the juddering in video playback for instance. Even when I showed them a video and pointed it out to them most found it hard to see what I was seeing.
You cannot generalize on these things. It's only people who are really anal who tend to make a big deal of this stuff. Visit any AV forum for instance and you will get a hardcore few like myself going on about stuff like floating blacks on Panasonic plasma HDTV's etc
Most people are not enthusiasts however and happily use their devices without even realizing they have a problem.
But I will add this. It is us few anal individuals who make a fuss that ensure products are improved upon and quality control remains high. So everyone benefits in the end.
Just a note: Contrary to most of this thread, light bleed can get worse. However, only if the device is also exhibiting the "creaking" defect. A loose build can result in more obvious light bleed. Applying a lot of pressure (abnormal amounts!) can also make the bleed worse if the Transformer isn't properly sealed.
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No! i've had two myself, and know of three others, none of them have any light bleed or build quality issues.
I don't see any other forums loaded with negative crap, i haven't seen any reviews that mention it, and if it's so bad like people on here try to make out how come there hasn't been a recall? why aren't any of these issues mentioned on the android rss feeds? if every single transformer has an issue why have there been no enquires by the likes of ipad fanboys over at engadget? they'd love a knock Android story like this! if only that had some facts/samples to back it up with.
People on here try and make out like they've all got it, where it's more likely it's a couple of dodgy ones have got through quality control, (Asus of course do have it, unlike what people on here would like to have us believe).
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Good grief! Just because you haven't seen the faults or quality issues, doesn't mean that they don't exist and it doesn't mean that others are just talking negative crap as you put it!
Why hasn't there been a recall? I suspect that it's more cost effective for Asus, to wait and hear from those that aren't prepared to put with the quality issues, rather than issue a blanket recall which would be costly and would likely attract negative press. RMA is the simplest for them.
BTW, I'm not having a go at you and I'm genuinely glad that you haven't had problems with your TF's, but please don't try and make out that some of us are just making this up.
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No! i've had two myself, and know of three others, none of them have any light bleed or build quality issues.
I don't see any other forums loaded with negative crap, i haven't seen any reviews that mention it, and if it's so bad like people on here try to make out how come there hasn't been a recall? why aren't any of these issues mentioned on the android rss feeds? if every single transformer has an issue why have there been no enquires by the likes of ipad fanboys over at engadget? they'd love a knock Android story like this! if only that had some facts/samples to back it up with.
People on here try and make out like they've all got it, where it's more likely it's a couple of dodgy ones have got through quality control, (Asus of course do have it, unlike what people on here would like to have us believe).
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Eh. I see the same "negative crap" on other forums, as well. The Hardforum topic on the Transformer is also full of people with issues.
The simple fact is quality control on the device is horrid... but good devices are out there.
There are numerous samples. I have two defective devices in my room, right now, waiting for me to ship them back to Asus. One is a keyboard dock that the tablet will not duck flushly with, and the other is a Transformer with horrendous backlight bleed, dust under the screen, and a stuck pixel.
On the other hand, my friend owns a Transformer and has no problems whatsoever. I've messed around with his device and it's near flawless -- very, very minimal bleed, not visible during usual use, and no screen problems. Balanced speakers, no dust, etc, etc.
It's a damn good device. Asus did a good job with the concept and the end result is usually extremely nice. Usually.
Is it even worth it? I mean with most of the people suffering from screen lifting, creaking,screen cracking easily washed out screen,screen flicker, dead pixels, screen burn-in/ghosting, LAG etc even with the replacements, seem to take the fun out of the tablet. I heard the replacements work for a few days and then start displaying the same issues.
What do ya'll think and suggest? Is the C8O the one to get or does that also have the same problems with it?
At this price point this is a steal but would still want an enjoyable tablet without the annoying problems.
Yeah, it's worth it - at least the 8 GB one is. I got it mainly to play with though. I have a XYBoard that I use for work. The issues are irritating, but it's not like I'm losing productivity. When I get home I put down the tool (XYBoard) and pick up the toy (N7)
Wait and see what Amazon comes out with tomorrow
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Most people have a nexus 7 that is fine. A lot of people on xda like to complain about small problems; however, they are a miniscule minority compared to the number of tablets that had to have been sold at this point. It does make these forums pretty boring imo. Mine has been fine since buying it at Gamestop the first day they sold it.
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Is it even worth it? I mean with most of the people suffering from screen lifting, creaking,screen cracking easily washed out screen,screen flicker, dead pixels, screen burn-in/ghosting, LAG etc even with the replacements, seem to take the fun out of the tablet. I heard the replacements work for a few days and then start displaying the same issues.
What do ya'll think and suggest? Is the C8O the one to get or does that also have the same problems with it?
At this price point this is a steal but would still want an enjoyable tablet without the annoying problems.
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Maybe I'm one of the lucky few, but I haven't had any of the aforementioned problems. I am 100% happy with the N7 I received. I know it seems discouraging that a lot of people are having problems, but it's a great tablet.
The people suffering from LAG issues have there internal storage pretty full. From what I've heard it starts when you have 1-2gbs free space, I've never gone below 9gbs of free space.
I really love it but in really hate having to find one that doesn't have issues. Just got a replacement today and the same issue and is older than its a c60k but the one I had was the c80. If you can find one that has everything in check its awesome but these little defect are ridiculous. Asus did a terrible job with quality control. Not that every company doesn't but this is too damn widespread.
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What issues?
Had mine since the first shipment and have not seen any issues.Most likely it is just a few people that have any problems.Most of us got what they wanted and are very happy with it.Sure you see a lot of threads but it probably is not really that many people with issues since the same ones post of all them. I am sure google sold a lot more units than the few where we read about having issues.
You have to remember that complaints are like spilled oil.......doesn't take much to look like a real big mess!!!
I preordered mine from the Play Store. Had it rooted about 10 minutes out of the box and I haven't had one single defect!!! And I do believe that I am the rule rather than the exception. Keep in mind that Google is expected to sell five to six million of these things by the end of the year. And that's a lot of 7's!!
No problems with my 16gb C6O. Bought it last month. Use it every day!
Bought mine from a retail store 2days ago, in love with it even though its fairly new. Its an amazing device, its fast as hell, faster than my iPad 3. I also bought a one year warranty that covers pretty much anything for a year for just 50$. I would recommend anybody to do the same if they can, that way there's nothing to worry about.
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Not to be a dink, but couldn't you read one of the dozen or so other "should I get this/is it worth it" threads?
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Trust me alot of people make a mountain out of a mole hill when it comes to the N7. Its a great device don't let the people with OCD keep you from getting a fantastic device. As far as the creaking, its made of plastic kinda expected, colors being washed out? Compared to a amoled display, yes its washed out but you can't expect them to use a top notch display and keep the price @ $200.
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So the screen is supposed to be lifted and make ripples when I press on it? And the screen becomes unresponsive when it gets hot? These aren't mountains? Or its just me being to picky... the lag part is people being picky... people pointing out physical damage and defects are not being picky.
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veryy worth it
The nexus 7 is a very popular device that is being looked at thru a nano microscope. There are issues in some of the devices. But we see way more I love my nexus we see lots of support ..
I myself have a 8 gb with the screen lift issue. The reason i have not replaced it yet is because i had a 16 gb version delivered last week . Not 20 minutes after opening the box in my hand the screen crushed under my thumb. These things will happen to any device. The issue is how the company deals with these issues. I have noticed some Questionable i broke my my screen just broke threads. Really read them and you can kinda see the legit ones. This is a tough call for the Manufacture But we will hope they do the right thing..
SO YES ITS A AWESOME Device with questionable very questionable Quality Control.by a KNOWN 3RD Rate build partner..
If you buy one and have trouble REPORT IT quickly and get it replaces. When its said and done i bet there will be very small return numbers in comparison to the number of the devices sold...
Got mine Monday. I'm in love. Playing some Crash Team Racing for ps1 at a steady 60 fps.
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So the screen is supposed to be lifted and make ripples when I press on it? And the screen becomes unresponsive when it gets hot? These aren't mountains? Or its just me being to picky... the lag part is people being picky... people pointing out physical damage and defects are not being picky.
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First off dude did I say I was talking to you directly? Did I say everybody was making a big deal out of everything?? No I didn't. Im aware that some people do in act have issues. But when you have people who want the screen to look as good as a iPads, complain about the slightest amount of light bleed, get mad when a plastic device makes the slightest bit of noise when squeezed then that my friend is making a big deal out of something small. Its a $200 tablet. Try to find a tablet that offers more at that price point...
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Is it even worth it? I mean with most of the people suffering from screen lifting, creaking,screen cracking easily washed out screen,screen flicker, dead pixels, screen burn-in/ghosting, LAG etc even with the replacements, seem to take the fun out of the tablet. I heard the replacements work for a few days and then start displaying the same issues.
What do ya'll think and suggest? Is the C8O the one to get or does that also have the same problems with it?
At this price point this is a steal but would still want an enjoyable tablet without the annoying problems.
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All these issues are real enough. And I confess that I've kinda focused on them and let the issues bother me more than they should. But then I decided to just use the tablet, I even stopped reading this forum for a while and I'm really enjoying it and don't really notice the problems much anymore.
Yes, I have screen lift on the left side. While most of the bezel has a very tiny lip around the glass, on the left side the glass is just a hair higher than the bezel. I wish it wasn't that way, but it's easy enough to forget that defect is there if I'm not being reminded of it daily on this forum.
I've already tried a couple RMAs and have pretty much had the same issues with every replacement I've gotten. Except creaky bezel, haven't had that on any of my Nexus 7s, so I'm hopeful that's a rare issue that you won't encounter.
As for the washed out screen. There are two things going on here. Firstly playing many videos will cause the screen to look very washed out or over saturated while and after the video (though the video itself looks great). This goes away quickly on it's own after the video has stopped. If you are rooted there are automatic scripts you can install to disable the "smartdimmer" behavior causing the problem, which I have done. The other issue is the colors do look a bit washed out all the time. This is much more subtle and if you didn't have another tablet or phone to compare with you might not even notice it. I'm hoping Google can can fix this, but I'm growing doubtful that they will if they haven't by now. But I can live with the slightly washed out colors and the "smartdimmer" video issue is easy to fix ourselves with root access.
I don't think there is any screen burn in issue. I think some people mistake the ghosting for it. With the smartdimmer disabled I really don't notice the ghosting anymore. I think it's still there to a small degree, but minor.
I've not experience lag with any of my Nexus 7 tablets. With the exception of Chrome, seems like it should be performing better, it does very well in benchmarks. Not sure what the issue is, but the lag really isn't that terrible. While I find Dolphin much faster, I still use Chrome because I like the synchronization with my desktop and I still find it plenty fast for my needs anyway.
It's definitely not the best looking screen. But getting a pure Nexus experience and at only $250, I'm very impressed and pleased with my purchase. And this tablet is light and feels really good in my hand. So it more than makes up for the multitude of minor issues I've had with all of mine.
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First off dude did I say I was talking to you directly? Did I say everybody was making a big deal out of everything?? No I didn't. Im aware that some people do in act have issues. But when you have people who want the screen to look as good as a iPads, complain about the slightest amount of light bleed, get mad when a plastic device makes the slightest bit of noise when squeezed then that my friend is making a big deal out of something small. Its a $200 tablet. Try to find a tablet that offers more at that price point...
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Apparently I wrote that with an angry tone. What I was trying to point out is there is quite a number of people complaining about defects and that is what he is reading about. And when you say "oh its people making a mountain out of a mound hole" that is not true. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was pissed.
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Yes, it's absolutely worth it - pending you buy an extended/accidental warranty. I baby my devices, but that didn't stop my Nexus 7 screen from randomly breaking. Now I'm dealing with headaches from ASUS in an attempt to get it fixed. At this point, I don't see how you can purchase the Nexus 7 WITHOUT that sort of warranty.
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Yes, it's absolutely worth it - pending you buy an extended/accidental warranty. I baby my devices, but that didn't stop my Nexus 7 screen from randomly breaking. Now I'm dealing with headaches from ASUS in an attempt to get it fixed. At this point, I don't see how you can purchase the Nexus 7 WITHOUT that sort of warranty.
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Randomly breaking?
The forums seem to be full of "Do you have defects?" posts, with tons of responses citing things like the screen being unattached from the case, dead pixels, auto rotate that doesn't work, a screen that is cracked even from a 2 ft fall, etc.
I'm just wondering if the devices they're shipping now are any different than the very first batch? Have they tried to fix any of these problems, or are these problems so rare that they're not doing anything about it? I hear that Google has a fantastic customer service policy as long as you get it from the Play Store and NOT Gamestop/retail, so I'll definitely be getting one straight from google.
Are these problems something I should worry about? Has Google done anything about them so far?
Thanks! I'm really excited to own this guy... hopefully no issues
They are NOT a huge issue. Remember that people with problems are much louder than those who are happy.
The biggest issue seems to be the slight screen lift on the left side of the screen. My device has it, but it doesn't bother me at all. And if the screen cracks in the future because of it, I will just get it fixed by Asus under the warranty.
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The forums seem to be full of "Do you have defects?" posts, with tons of responses citing things like the screen being unattached from the case, dead pixels, auto rotate that doesn't work, a screen that is cracked even from a 2 ft fall, etc.
I'm just wondering if the devices they're shipping now are any different than the very first batch? Have they tried to fix any of these problems, or are these problems so rare that they're not doing anything about it? I hear that Google has a fantastic customer service policy as long as you get it from the Play Store and NOT Gamestop/retail, so I'll definitely be getting one straight from google.
Are these problems something I should worry about? Has Google done anything about them so far?
Thanks! I'm really excited to own this guy... hopefully no issues
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Don't get all paranoid about issues with ur device lol, just look for screen lift and dead pixels. Other than that enjoy ur new tablet
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They are NOT a huge issue. Remember that people with problems are much louder than those who are happy.
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Made sure I got one where it is easy as pie to return and that was Walmart. So far mine has been great and I've had it a little over a week and I used it ALOT each day to make sure.
Coming from someone who's screen cracked in my hand, I still can't hold that much of a grudge against the N7. Lemons exist and always will, even in the holy iPad lineup. Just check your device when you pick it up (preferably from a B&M store for easy returning) and if it's good, carry on.
Granted, I'm still a little miffed at ASUS over the whole thing, as I had to really fight to get my tablet fixed, but it's done and almost here at my house. We'll see how the re-unboxing goes. :good:
(fyi, according to the watering hole a good chunk of the N7 complaints may have stemmed from Apple fanboys making accounts just to spam fake issues, seemingly to take credibility away from the N7... lame)
i was also very worried with all the bad news about the nexus 7 but after close examination i have found very minor screen lift but everything else has been perfect
my ipod touch had a creaky screen and my tf101 had some screen lift and creaking but nothing bad came of them.
be sure to fully check it for peace of mind if nothing else but most of all enjoy it and test everything good about it too
Hi guys,
as most of you here, I`m planing on buying THE ONE as soon as it gets to the stores in our country.
Because of that I started checking and reading the general ONE forum almost 15 times a day . One of the most important things for me, when I buy a phone and give like 600+ euro, is for the phone to be as perfect as possible at least the first couple of months.
That`s why I decided to make this thread as a guide that explains the main things you should watch for when buying the phone from your store !
1. Take a look at all sides of the phone and see if there are any GAPS or OVERHANGS, cause its a "unibody" design after all. Here are some pictures and link to original thread, where this problem is discussed:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAAAAFc/34GVNAI3mKc/s661/20130319_152241.jpg - GAP
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/djbenny1/DSCF8356_zps0597f759.jpg - OVERHANG
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2197732 - Original thread
2. See also if there aren't any gaps near the volume rocker, and if it doesn't stick while you press it (incl. the power button). I remember that one member here had a similar problem, but cannot find the OP.
3. After you power on the phone try to connect to internet (all major stores have free wifi) and download a Dead Pixel Test app from the store. Then check for any dead pixels on that gorgeous screen !
4. I bought a nexus 7 tablet some months ago and got a replacement, because of a bad headphone jack design. What that leads to is a cracking sound from headphones, when you just plug them and navigate through menus or slide through main screens, but don't listen to music or watching video. Many devices suffer from a problem like that, so I test that always in the store, either with the pair of headphones in the box, or with my own ones. In many cases that means poor shielding and can affect more parts in the phone itself.
5. Camera firmware (latest batch) : According to a camera test published here - http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/review-htc-ones-camera-tested , pre-production units had some kind of a hardware issue and that's why many photos taken with the device seemed blurry on the edges.
So it's really good to know, how can we check if the unit we are buying is from the latest batch or not ... will update this when I have more info.
OP can be found here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2206222
6. Phone display: this is where I`m a bit confused really. Here is the thread, where I read that the ONE can have different display characteristics in terms or color temperature, contrast and brightness.
Would be very happy if someone can explain that in details and suggest if this is something we must watch for, before buying our unit.
Original thread can be found here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2202869
That covers the main things that I`m aware of till the moment. If you have any more suggestions, I would be happy to update the OP.
Also some more clarifications about 5. and 6. would be great :cyclops:
And one really important question which I would like to ask and don`t want to make another thread for : how does the heat affect the casing and is it a problem if the device gets too hot (cause I love to use it for gaming sometimes). In other words: Could a GAP or OVERHANG occur after some usage, because of the phone reaching high temperature?
Here you can see a thread, where guy speaks about a 44,4°C device temperature : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2207645
UPDATE :
5. According to https://plus.google.com/+PhilNickinson/posts/BkaNVpcNySN it seems like its a software update after all, and not a hardware one ...
And here is a good guide on how to check if your phone is from a later batch or not : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2209277
Great write up. Will definitely use this guide.
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Can you really even see a dead pixel on this screen? I have one on my EVO 4G LTE and I can only see it if I use the Dead Pixel Test app.
You can once you've noticed the bloody thing. It taunts you. Although on this screen, probably not so noticeable unless it's against a plane background. Annoying all the same.
Surely you can find something that you can convince yourself is a flaw that will make you miserably unhappy with your new One. Then sell it to me...
If the casing heats up so much it distorts, you probably want to put it down. That'll be well in excess of 400°C, no matter what the alloy.
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Surely you can find something that you can convince yourself is a flaw that will make you miserably unhappy with your new One. Then sell it to me...
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When you pay a lot of money for a device, you expect it to be perfect, right ?
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When you pay a lot of money for a device, you expect it to be perfect, right ?
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Yes, but a line does need to drawn...
There will always be a gap, it's not like atoms are physically connected together, even in a solid like metal.
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Yes, but a line does need to drawn...
There will always be a gap, it's not like atoms are physically connected together, even in a solid like metal.
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You pay 500 odd quid, or what ever, for a device that's been marketed for its build quality and craft....
If you find a flaw, you should have a replacement.
Although I have pre-ordered a HTC One, I'm hoping i get some sort of super batch. Slightly worried, for a phone thats not even out yet, there seems to be many issues.
As long as mine comes with no overlap or gaps and works perfectly, I'm happy.
Unfortunately these items are mass produced and the original batches more than likely will have some flaws in them, mostly minor, but like others have mentioned. You pay this much for a phone, you want it to be perfect.
Awesome write up OP!
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6. Phone display: this is where I`m a bit confused really. Here is the thread, where I read that the ONE can have different display characteristics in terms or color temperature, contrast and brightness.
Would be very happy if someone can explain that in details and suggest if this is something we must watch for, before buying our unit.
Original thread can be found here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2202869
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We are still clarifying in the thread whether there is a higher contrast version of the screen and what its color temperature is. Just stay tuned. I keep the first post updated with the latest information.
How do I check if its first batch or not?
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How do I check if its first batch or not?
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I think you should read this thread here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2209277