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Hi,
The "ASUS Eee Pad Transformer" looks like a good tablet for me.
It's a netbook and a tablet in one computer.
But I don't like Android as a desktop OS, so I wonder if it was possible to install Ubuntu 11.04 or another Linux dist on the device with a functional touch screen?
The device has USB, right? So it must be possible to boot a Linux dist compiled for the architecture from a USB key?
It would be so nice!
In concept yes. Will it be a usable implementation? Probably not.
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE this thing to dual boot into Linux Mint.
My guess is that it would be theoretically possible to install Ubuntu 11.04 "Netbook" addition as it is aimed at ARM architecture. Tegra 2 apparently supports Ubuntu which should make this easier. The screen also has the perfect resolution to run Ubuntu as well.
11.04 is released Tomorrow right?
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They may only have preinstall images for TI chips. I've looked into the betas, and they have a compress partition that has to be uncompressed on the first boot. But the boot is in a fat32 partition with a kernel for the TI arm chip and uboot.
It should be possible.
Some work was done on getting Ubuntu up and running on a Toshiba AC100, which is a Tegra-2 based "smartbook" running Android (see here for details).
However, IMO a version of NVFlash that works on the Transformer will be required before this can be taken much further.
Regards,
Dave
louisdk said:
Hi,
But I don't like Android as a desktop OS,
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It's not a desktop OS. With the keyboard dock, it's still just a netbook. Netbooks aren't really supposed to be as 'functional' as desktops. If you want desktop functionality, get a desktop or a large laptop.
Netbooks and now tablets are what I refer to as 'compromise' devices. You compromise power and function for portability and convenience. If you need more than a tablet or netbook can provide, you need to be shopping bigger.
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It's not a desktop OS. With the keyboard dock, it's still just a netbook. Netbooks aren't really supposed to be as 'functional' as desktops. If you want desktop functionality, get a desktop or a large laptop.
Netbooks and now tablets are what I refer to as 'compromise' devices. You compromise power and function for portability and convenience. If you need more than a tablet or netbook can provide, you need to be shopping bigger.
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I know that netbooks ain't made for hardcore tasks like gaming, photo- or video editing, but I find Android (have only tried 2.x) too limited for netbook use.
On my current netbook I like a full Linux desktop, so I browse the web, check mails, use LibreOffice, use VLC and other light activities and I really can't way I shouldn't be allowed to get the real PC experience on a netbook if the hardware specs allows it? Especially when new user interfaces like Unity that is perfect for tablets and small screens have been released.
I've spotted this new device. I Think that the ARM-version of Ubuntu used on this device will be public avaible and I hope that it's possible to install it on the Asus Eee Transformer.
OMGUBUNTU UK /2011/05/meet-the-ubuntu-running-dual-core-arm-desktop-trim-slice/
louisdk said:
I've spotted this new device. I Think that the ARM-version of Ubuntu used on this device will be public avaible and I hope that it's possible to install it on the Asus Eee Transformer.
OMGUBUNTU UK /2011/05/meet-the-ubuntu-running-dual-core-arm-desktop-trim-slice/
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http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/meet-the-ubuntu-running-dual-core-arm-desktop-trim-slice/
since I can post links
//edit, getting an arm version of debian/ubuntu aint the issue. The issue is graphics. Now as I've posted earlier on this forum, nvidia has released linux4tegra. Although unsupported, it has a tegra_drv for xorg.
Can someone explain to me why peeps keep wanting to install Ubuntu onto their phones/tablets? I mean isn't it more usable to just install it on a netbook? I understand for some people its just the fun in the challenge of cramming it in to another device but is there any other use for Ubuntu on a tablet like the TF?
eviltuna said:
Can someone explain to me why peeps keep wanting to install Ubuntu onto their phones/tablets? I mean isn't it more usable to just install it on a netbook? I understand for some people its just the fun in the challenge of cramming it in to another device but is there any other use for Ubuntu on a tablet like the TF?
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If I can start up an app that connects to localhost and gives me access to everything from advanced networking/software development tools/image editing and conversion tools/movie editing/diagnostics/etc/etc/etc/etc. Why wouldn't I want to? I can have a device which instead of being locked to android apps also has a MASSIVE library of tools that's been developed over many many years.
And they are not designed for touchscreen, but guess what, this tablet has a keyboard and a touchpad
eviltuna said:
Can someone explain to me why peeps keep wanting to install Ubuntu onto their phones/tablets? I mean isn't it more usable to just install it on a netbook? I understand for some people its just the fun in the challenge of cramming it in to another device but is there any other use for Ubuntu on a tablet like the TF?
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So I can run an IDE and develop apps for honeycomb...
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Why not just develop an IDE for Android to use on an Android Tab? But I too would love to use the new Ubuntu 11.04 on the TF since Unity supports touch screens
eviltuna said:
I mean isn't it more usable to just install it on a netbook?
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I for one don't have and don't want a netbook or laptop. I prefer using one device (a tablet in this case with a keyboard or keyboard dock) for many purposes. It's cheaper for me and I have much less things to carry / charge / store etc.
hitman_dreams said:
Why not just develop an IDE for Android to use on an Android Tab?
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Eclipse is an IDE made by ibm, development started 2001, and it's still being developed today.
I dont think you realize what your saying when you say "just develop an IDE".
FrayAdjacent said:
It's not a desktop OS. With the keyboard dock, it's still just a netbook. Netbooks aren't really supposed to be as 'functional' as desktops. If you want desktop functionality, get a desktop or a large laptop.
Netbooks and now tablets are what I refer to as 'compromise' devices. You compromise power and function for portability and convenience. If you need more than a tablet or netbook can provide, you need to be shopping bigger.
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Not even! Check out the Samsung X120 ( I have one ) and the Acer Ferrari One 200 ( I have one of these too! )
Dual core+ netbooks have NO problems running full desktop applications at the same time as multi-tab browsing...
Running Microsoft Server 2008 or Windows 7.
I've run Adobe Premier rendering video at the same time as Office 2010 along with Chrome running 20 tabs and 3DS MAX 2011 open no lag..
The X120 has a 5 hour+ battery life too, the newer i3 and i5 and even i7 based Netbooks are no compromise on desktop performance.
I even have a HDMI out and VGA out on the X120...
Anyways, the sooner we get / make Android 3.0+ based tablets dual boot Ubuntu 11 the better... Then tablets can finally act as both development work horses and Android tabs...
Chris
eviltuna said:
Can someone explain to me why peeps keep wanting to install Ubuntu onto their phones/tablets? I mean isn't it more usable to just install it on a netbook? I understand for some people its just the fun in the challenge of cramming it in to another device but is there any other use for Ubuntu on a tablet like the TF?
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In a nut shell, imagine the portability of a tablet with the power of all the items with Ubuntu..years of apps and developement along with the ability to sit on "the THRONE" if you know what I mean.... the tablet is evolutionary for the fact it is just another device, I do not know if you use Ubuntu, if you do then a question is not why but when and how. Also, you have a option when / if / Ubuntu does come to the transformer, don't use it. Great development does not happen by asking why it should, great development comes by asking why the hell not. Just my 2 cents worth.'
Of interest ....http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/...e-arm-cluster-server-box-for-ubuntu-20110613/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1188568
I would be interested in seeing Meego in action on a tablet.
What is Meego?
Meego is a linux based OS that uses the Qt framework (C++) for the UI. There is already a lot of apps that are compatible with the platform.
Now THIS I can totally dig. I was eager for it on the Desire Z, and maybe on my Inspire 4g, but DEFINITELY would love this on a tablet. Praying that some of the super talented devs hop on this.
this would indeed be very cool, i would be willing to part with some cash to whomever can get this working
Just curious, this is the same as the new Nokia N9 is getting right? The OS that's designed around 3 screens, and looks totally awesome?! If it is, here's a better look at it.
I hope so, I think the TF would run this incredibly and it would just be pure win. The Nokia N9 only has a 1GHz (i think) single core, and the TF has a dual core, which is easily clocked to 1.7 GHz. I really hope this can happen.
A little off topic, but MeeGo sounds a lot like a UI that was posted in the Android section, but was dropped because the developers couldn't get around a few bumps. I think it was called Kite UI or something like that..
Myriad Alien Dalvik for Meego
Run Android apps on Meego
SwiftLegend said:
Just curious, this is the same as the new Nokia N9 is getting right? The OS that's designed around 3 screens, and looks totally awesome?! If it is, here's a better look at it.
I hope so, I think the TF would run this incredibly and it would just be pure win. The Nokia N9 only has a 1GHz (i think) single core, and the TF has a dual core, which is easily clocked to 1.7 GHz. I really hope this can happen.
A little off topic, but MeeGo sounds a lot like a UI that was posted in the Android section, but was dropped because the developers couldn't get around a few bumps. I think it was called Kite UI or something like that..
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N9 has a custom user interface. It doesn't even run standard Meego, from what I remember. Standard Meego UI doesn't look as nice as n9's UI. Also, n9 has a smaller screen and resolution, so it probably won't look good on 10 in screen.
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N9 has a custom user interface. It doesn't even run standard Meego, from what I remember. Standard Meego UI doesn't look as nice as n9's UI. Also, n9 has a smaller screen and resolution, so it probably won't look good on 10 in screen.
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Dang, I'm really liking the N9. It's a really nice looking phone and a sleek OS. Too bad Verizon and Nokia don't play nice.
Thanks for the news, but the title of the post is bit confusing, don't you think ? From what I understood, nVidia released a set of drivers for a mini PC product called trimslice (running ubuntu ??), which also happens to have a Mego port (which can benefit from those drivers) . But they didn’t release it for the transformer, nor there is any mego port for the transformer, so this release has nothing to do with the transformer.... (as the title suggest )
Yaaay! I just wish I had more time to try and make Gentoo run... To all "We have ubuntu now" people:
1) The current Ubuntu image doesn't have these drivers
2) These drivers aren't guaranteed work with Ubuntu's patched kernel
3) I don't like Ubuntu
too bad they arent for the tramsformer i would have loved to try meego. i heard good thing about it
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K900 said:
Yaaay! I just wish I had more time to try and make Gentoo run... To all "We have ubuntu now" people:
1) The current Ubuntu image doesn't have these drivers
2) These drivers aren't guaranteed work with Ubuntu's patched kernel
3) I don't like Ubuntu
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+1 I totally think a slimmed down and customized distro like Gentoo would be great for the transformer.
brando56894 said:
+1 I totally think a slimmed down and customized distro like Gentoo would be great for the transformer.
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I would question the concept of a slim full functional gentoo release on an processor like this. While there are likely enough binaries to get you by, the concept of the compile your own distribution with special optimizations would make it difficult to do against the transformer. Been a while since I was using gentoo so maybe there is a full functional small installation model now but not sure how well it would work for a tablet.
The Meego OS
The Meego OS has been around a while and is an established companion on all the major brand netbooks/laptops/tablets as an instant on option as it boots in around 5 seconds under the guise of Splashtop OS. you can download meego/splashtop at any time from the website and there is an sku for almost anything even tablets, i run splashtop as a dual boot with win7 for when i just fancy listening to music or surfing the web. Just google meego or Splashtop
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OK so it this ready or being ported to the transformer? I order me a Transformer yesterday and would love Meego/xbmc on this thing.. i have meego/xbmc on my netbook but on a tablet would be KILLER..
Not directly related to Transformer, but very good news for us.
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQozs5tXxwY
Summary: It's ubuntu desktop experience using android's kernel that runs side by side with android. We can already boot ubuntu on our tablets, but this, from what I understand, will be able to benefit from all drivers. So, everything should work.
As long as they do better than chroot+vnc, I would consider this.
My PC blows away these devices for raw compiling power but versus e.g. an Atom netbook, heck yeah. Only thing better than what I've got with my Transformer, would be an Ultrabook with a touch screen.
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Prkblem is, it will be directly incoporated into rom, not something publicly available
knowing conical they will very likely release it as open source but it would be almost impossible to get it working without their knowledge and huge team
Will the go HP touchpad be capable of running Ubuntu and will it get a port?
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The HP Touchpad already has a native port of Ubuntu 11.10, 12.04, 12.10 and 13.04 (the latest being the most stable). I don't think Ubuntu for Phones will come to the Touchpad anytime soon because it's aimed at smartphones so not really at tablets with a 9.7 inch screen. Who knows what it'll look like (images of Android 2.3 on tablets pop up in my mind now lol). But if you mean spec-wise, than it's more than capable since it meets the minimum requirements by far.
looking forward to this, a full featured ubuntu phone would be much more useful then the current desktop version ports which are nearly unusible.
I was thinking on the lines of the phone os
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The tablet version of Ubuntu Phone may get ported over but it requires at least 2 GB RAM (Nexus 7 and 10 excluded) and the HP Touchpad isn't really new hardware anymore so I'm not sure how fast it will run. Even the native port of 13.04 runs sluggish (albeit usable). The only thing running smooth and fast is the default webOS (which I still enjoy every day even though I'm an Ubuntu desktop user) but that's made for it so... But maybe someone can optimize it, it will be open source after all so it may run on the Touchpad albeit a bit laggy but useable. But we need the devs for that that currently maintain the 12.10 and 13.04 ports.
I think android Is running smooth in my opinion better than web os I'm using schizoid jellybean. I don't think Ubuntu will run all that smoothly but I'm sure there will be a port of some kind. A triple boot of web is android and Ubuntu would be nice
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So I'm wanting to completely replace my laptop with a Windows x64 tablet. I also want to dual boot it with Android 4.4.2. In yall's opinion, what current Windows 8 x64 is best capable of doing this? In order to dual boot does the Windows tablet have to meet certain requirements?
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johnnyham89 said:
So I'm wanting to completely replace my laptop with a Windows x64 tablet. I also want to dual boot it with Android 4.4.2. In yall's opinion, what current Windows 8 x64 is best capable of doing this? In order to dual boot does the Windows tablet have to meet certain requirements?
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I would recommend the Asus Transformer Book Trio although it is only Android 4.2.2 at the moment and nobody has successfully rooted it yet.
It provides Win8.x in the dock and Android in the detachable screen. The 2 systems are completely discreet and can be used together (shared screen) or separately as an Android tablet and a desktop (with attached monitor) for Windows.
Personally I love it although it is a tad pricey. The only fail about it is the inclusion of an old spin drive instead of an SSD, but I pulled the 500GB HDD and installed a Samsung EVO 840 500GB SSD. The thing cold boots in 7 seconds and restarts in 10.
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I would recommend the Asus Transformer Book Trio although it is only Android 4.2.2 at the moment and nobody has successfully rooted it yet.
It provides Win8.x in the dock and Android in the detachable screen. The 2 systems are completely discreet and can be used together (shared screen) or separately as an Android tablet and a desktop (with attached monitor) for Windows.
Personally I love it although it is a tad pricey. The only fail about it is the inclusion of an old spin drive instead of an SSD, but I pulled the 500GB HDD and installed a Samsung EVO 840 500GB SSD. The thing cold boots in 7 seconds and restarts in 10.
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I had no idea that something like this existed!! Thanks! You were not lying about it being pricey. I'm really looking to put Android on a Windows 8 tablet myself. Have you heard anything about the Acer w700?
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Yes, the Book Trio is about the ONLY option, even because seems Google and MS and effectively killed the prospects of future dual-boot hardware. Despite its overprice and some ridiculous low-end specs such as slouch-slow spinning hard drive and low RAM, the Trio is an amazing device overall and I've been wanting to buy one for long time myself.. specially now that all the kinks are gone and works very well under Windows 8.1.1.
THE ONLY NO NOs are:
1) Asus positively doesn't care about this device and will NEVER publish any Android Firmware updates so you will be forever stuck with 4.2.2, and worse.
2) No one can get this rooted! No root, no deal. Period.
I think a tablet running Windows 8.1 is really all anyone would need... isn't it?
Windows 8 double interface (classic desktop and modern ui) is just intended to be a "native dual-mode" so you wouldn't need to dual-boot two different OSs so you can use it as a pure-tablet or as a mini-pc.
I understand that Windows Store is not as good as Play Store, but really I can't see anything you could do on an Android tablet that you couldn't in an even better way on a Windows 8.1 one, and anyway there are a lot of android emulators out there, in case you really need one.
Am I wrong?
Uncle Scrooge said:
I think a tablet running Windows 8.1 is really all anyone would need... isn't it?
Windows 8 double interface (classic desktop and modern ui) is just intended to be a "native dual-mode" so you wouldn't need to dual-boot two different OSs so you can use it as a pure-tablet or as a mini-pc.
I understand that Windows Store is not as good as Play Store, but really I can't see anything you could do on an Android tablet that you couldn't in an even better way on a Windows 8.1 one, and anyway there are a lot of android emulators out there, in case you really need one.
Am I wrong?
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Unfortunately yes you are wrong. There are numerous apps that are not available for Windows that are available for Android that do not work in any of the emulators. I strongly considered getting a Surface Pro 2 and using an emulator for the apps that I must have, but all of my must have apps refused to run, or run properly, in the various emulators I tried.
I solved the issue by buying my Trio and have no regrets. I get all of my Android love and can still switch over to Windows to do the work related tasks when I need to. I have actually found some nice apps in Windows, as well as some less than stellar ones. I am a fond user of Tapatalk and can tell you that I prefer to use Tapatalk on Android than Windows. Although Tapatalk is prettier in Windows it is significantly slower. I can puruse through the forums on Android with ease, but the same actions are painfully slow in Windows.
I have several games I play in Android that have no counterpart in Windows. Gmail has no Windows client that is on par with Google's. You cannot even archive in the most popular Gmail client in Windows.
Obviously, you are a fan of Windows based on your subjective statement that there isn't anything you couldn't do in an even better way in Windows than Android and that is great. Choice is what makes technology wonderful. I recognize that both platforms excel at certain tasks and fail at others so I focus on using the OS that is the best for each task.
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I have several games I play in Android that have no counterpart in Windows. Gmail has no Windows client that is on par with Google's. You cannot even archive in the most popular Gmail client in Windows.
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Most of your post is a matter of personal opinions so I won't dispute much else. But I personally just use the built in mail app for GMail.
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Most of your post is a matter of personal opinions so I won't dispute much else. But I personally just use the built in mail app for GMail.
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I have no wish to argue, but can you archive Gmail content using Windows mail client? Metromail cannot, despite being the top ranked Gmail client in the store.
Additionally, I intentionally used terms that were objective to keep personal opinion out of my post. I compared the performance of apps across the two platforms and referred to apps that are not available natively that I use regularly. I also acknowledged that both platforms have good and bad points.
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I'm not a fan of Windows in general, I just think that Windows is much better for tablets (just because you have almost a full-featured PC) than android, in general.
I think the Mail app in Windows 8 works just fine for Gmail, but this is just my personal opinion.
I'm a fan of Android for my smartphone instead and wouldn't ever consider replacing it with a Windows Phone
I think my Windows Asus T100 and Android Nexus 7 each have their pros and cons - but I think the hassles of dual boot would be more annoying. E.g., even if there was an app for a website on Android, rebooting to use that would be more annoying than simply viewing the website in Windows. And even if say Gmail is better on Android, do I want to have to reboot just to check email?
The Trio is more interesting in that it can apparently run both together, but because the Windows portion relies on technology in the keyboard, this only works when in laptop mode - you can't access Windows at all when in tablet mode. I think this would lose one of the big advantages of a convertible - being able to pull off the tablet from the keyboard to say, show/view some photos, or a PDF.
Also consider that the Trio is significantly more expensive than say the T100 and a Nexus 7 put together. It's also heavier too (1.7Kg for Trio; versus 1.1Kg for T100 and 0.3Kg for Nexus 7). So one option if you want the best of both platforms is just to get two devices.
Gmail works with IMAP, so use any email client you like.
There are less website-wrapper apps for Windows, but I never really understood this - if using an app is so much better than the website, why aren't there apps for Windows laptop/PC users? I though the whole point of mobile apps was because devices were too rubbish/underpowered to support the website. But if you've got a PC tablet, not an oversized fisher price phone, you can just run the website