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I hate non dev questions in the forum and I suppose this is in-between the dev non dev line.. but for the greater good
If I get some of a cracking dev teams attention to this section and ask for your help to buy his team a test phone me paying the first £100 and guaranteeing a refund if it goes tits up would you guys help with maybe £2 donations to get to approx £230?
I am putting my name to the http://www.villainrom.co.uk team who have done a **** load for the Hero and Desire scene to just bring a few improvements that we will all benefit from, I am not offering miracles and will refund everyone else's donations above my £100 if within 5 month you don't all agree them adding time to our amazing potential phone has not benefited us all? one example is the cm6 build!!!
No offence to the current devs like doc etc they do a really good job but the more the merrier?
I will provide all my details to everyone that donates so let me know what you think...
anarchyuk said:
I hate non dev questions in the forum and I suppose this is in-between the dev non dev line.. but for the greater good
If I get some of a cracking dev teams attention to this section and ask for your help to buy his team a test phone me paying the first £100 and guaranteeing a refund if it goes tits up would you guys help with maybe £2 donations to get to approx £230?
I am putting my name to the http://www.villainrom.co.uk team who have done a **** load for the Hero and Desire scene to just bring a few improvements that we will all benefit from, I am not offering miracles and will refund everyone else's donations above my £100 if within 5 month you don't all agree them adding time to our amazing potential phone has not benefited us all? one example is the cm6 build!!!
No offence to the current devs like doc etc they do a really good job but the more the merrier?
I will provide all my details to everyone that donates so let me know what you think...
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I am of the opinion that the most enthusiastic devs are the ones that do it because they care and they enjoy it, not just for the money.
Bounty threads are well and good, but this is so vague that I have absolutely no idea what the end goals are.
In conclusion I don't have the foggiest idea why I or anyone would want to contribute.
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I am of the opinion that the most enthusiastic devs are the ones that do it because they care and they enjoy it, not just for the money.
Bounty threads are well and good, but this is so vague that I have absolutely no idea what the end goals are.
In conclusion I don't have the foggiest idea why I or anyone would want to contribute.
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Its not about paying them to do it, as they are people just like us they cant buy everyone phone that comes around. For the majority its done in spare time especially these guys,
If you dont want to get them a test phone then thats your choice but from what I have experienced with what they done for the hero and desire they are more than capable of getting us beyond this base rom with apk's and no real development...
I am doing this to get our galaxy S phones above the ****e IO performance that my £480 paid for and if it means spending £2 each out of 1000's of people then so be it.. ill cover all loses as it will close at £230 when i deliver the dev phone to them
The idea sounds interesting, but I do not know them, so I have no clue what they did or what they can do. Maybe being more clear on that can help motivate donations. From looking at your forum link for a very short time, did not yet show me anything that's really more special that what is already happening.
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The idea sounds interesting, but I do not know them, so I have no clue what they did or what they can do. Maybe being more clear on that can help motivate donations. From looking at your forum link for a very short time, did not yet show me anything that's really more special that what is already happening.
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i know what you mean thats why I have waited this long watching the development section, let me show you the videos of the roms i produced on their roms before the official 2.1 came out on the hero (edit: well bofore the official 2.1 with no source code)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON0_ze1_Z0o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyIsTUHjBnM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peitGW9tlFU
and dont mock my music lol
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Its not about paying them to do it, as they are people just like us they cant buy everyone phone that comes around. For the majority its done in spare time especially these guys,
If you dont want to get them a test phone then thats your choice but from what I have experienced with what they done for the hero and desire they are more than capable of getting us beyond this base rom with apk's and no real development...
I am doing this to get our galaxy S phones above the ****e IO performance that my £480 paid for and if it means spending £2 each out of 1000's of people then so be it.. ill cover all loses as it will close at £230 when i deliver the dev phone to them
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I'm pretty sure your IO performance has been fixed time and time again with any one of the several great custom kernels we have around here.
We have CyanogenMod under development by some talented guys, definitely far more than a "base ROM with some apks."
Developing for these Samsung devices is a lot different than the HTCs, so I'm not going to assume that these guys are going to work magic on a platform they're not familiar with.
IMO I'd buy Cyanogen a Galaxy S before these guys...
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I'm pretty sure your IO performance has been fixed time and time again with any one of the several great custom kernels we have around here.
We have CyanogenMod under development by some talented guys, definitely far more than a "base ROM with some apks."
Developing for these Samsung devices is a lot different than the HTCs, so I'm not going to assume that these guys are going to work magic on a platform they're not familiar with.
IMO I'd buy Cyanogen a Galaxy S before these guys...
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good call, and enjoy it that way but for everyone else even if these guys finish off cm6 port / dev in alot quicker time your £2 will be well spent
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good call, and enjoy it that way but for everyone else even if these guys finish off cm6 port / dev in alot quicker time your £2 will be well spent
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You obviously dont follow the development of CM for galaxy. Otherwice youd know even now custom roms are next to impossible (really custom).
I will defiantley toss in some loonies if there is any chance we can get Ninpo up in here. I know he got an SGS and gave it a good reveiew, and to be honest even if he doesn't acomplish a single thing it'll be worth it just for his legendary release notes!
Based on the amount of damage I've been able to do to my phone in less than a week, I think that a skilled kernel dev could make a huge difference. (Not insulting any of our current devs, just came from the Hero and that guy managed to stretch my use of that phone by like 6 months).
The dev here get donations if they deserving it.
Stopp pissing on the dev here.
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I have started this thread because I believe it would be a crying shame to lose the skill of Bin4ry from the freex10 team.
I am positive if everyone was to donate a small amount, 5 or 10 of your currency, we would collectively be able to in effect purchase the x10 and let Bin4ry keep it.
All donations are to be made to Bin4ry this thread is here only to see how much we can raise to let Bin4ry keep his x10 and continue in the development of the phone.
This is purely down to choice if YOU want to no one is forcing you, if enough can not be raised I will see what I can do but please help if you can no matter how small and post here you intention.
Please help, we need Bin4ry and his skills TARGET 200
PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEE NOR DOES IT FORM ANY PART OF A GUARANTEE, this pledge is merely if you want to, and that you understand it we only give Bin4ry the option to continue developing on the x10 when he wishes. Instead of losing him all together he will continue to develop when his time allows. This is nothing more than a gesture from us none devs and a way of us helping a dev for a change. BUT PLEASE DO NOT THINK THIS WILL GUARANTEE ANYTHING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T other than Bin4ry will still be able to develop for us when he wishes.
Thanks
He said himself he just wants to move on to a new challenge.. Leave him be
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He said himself he just wants to move on to a new challenge.. Leave him be
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Agreed. He wants to move on.
EDIT: According to chiefy009, Bin4ry would stay if you can raise enough money. I can donate USD $10.
Had a message from Bin4ry he will stay if we raise enough. I will donate 20sterling once we reach the total donations I will notify Bin4ry and we can make donations
200 needed I will donate 20
Only 180 needed easy if people can manage 5-10 each
Come on lets not lose a Dev like bin4ry
This thread had been cancelled until I had a message form Bin4ry please pledge what you can if you want to keep Bin4ry trying to crack the x10 along with Jerpela, Z and the others
once all pledges have been made I will either make up the difference or we can just click donate on Bin4ry
I'll give in £10 (British) if he would stay
Ill throw in 20 dollars canadian
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I give £20 (British)
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Thankyou
So far £50 British and 20dollars we will be there in no time
$20 US from me.
OMG, you guys are really crazy aren't you?
As i said this is a nice idea, but i'm still not sure if i should feel comfortable with getting money from you just for staying with my X10.
Offcourse:
As i said, if you can manage to clear my account balance i will stay, as promised.
But are you REALLY sure that this is needed? And are you REALLY sure that you know that i cannot make any promises (except i will not stop working on X10!)
There will never be any promise that the X10 will get cracked fully and that the bypass will function fully!
I just want to clear this before accepting money from you guys
Best Regards
Bin4ry
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OMG, you guys are really crazy aren't you?
As i said this is a nice idea, but i'm still not sure if i should feel comfortable with getting money from you just for staying with my X10.
Offcourse:
As i said, if you can manage to clear my account balance i will stay, as promised.
But are you REALLY sure that this is needed? And are you REALLY sure that you know that i cannot make any promises (except i will not stop working on X10!)
There will never be any promise that the X10 will get cracked fully and that the bypass will function fully!
I just want to clear this before accepting money from you guys
Best Regards
Bin4ry
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Bin4ry we are aware but we stand more chance of it being cracked with you sticking around, we would do the same to keep J, Z maxfron and all the others, the x10 doesnt have that many devs and to lose one of your skill would be damaging to its chances, if enough of us are willing and get close within the next 2 weeks what ever is left i will try to make up end of the month.
I said that figure was 200 is this correct ??
If i could code i would and i probably wouldnt do this, but i cant so this is my way of helping and everyone else's
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Bin4ry we are aware but we stand more chance of it being cracked with you sticking around, we would do the same to keep J, Z maxfron and all the others, the x10 doesnt have that many devs and to lose one of your skill would be damaging to its chances, if enough of us are willing and get close within the next 2 weeks what ever is left i will try to make up end of the month.
I said that figure was 200 is this correct ??
If i could code i would and i probably wouldnt do this, but i cant so this is my way of helping and everyone else's
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Ok,
but still i don't know if i should feel comfortable with that.
See others like J,Z etc. (you named them), are working hard on this too. And they won't get anything. So i think it simply is not really fair!
See:
I decided to leave, to find a new phone and play with new things.
Others like J&Z are still developing hard for you and others.
Now i will get an amount of money, because i decided to go and offcourse i can not afford a new phone without selling the old one, and they won't get because they still stay here.
See my problem? Yes i understand well the goal is just to help me stay here AND have a new phone. And i really think that this idea is really good and nice!
AND i appreciate that many people here would donate their hard worked money to me!
But the above problem will stay, others will feel skipped or atleast feel a little sad. It seems like they will be "punished" because they stay here.
THATS my problem with the donation thing to be honest
And be sure, with j&z you have 2 real good developers here, you don't need much you just need GOOD ones
Best Regards
Andreas
Bin4ry said:
Ok,
but still i don't know if i should feel comfortable with that.
See others like J,Z etc. (you named them), are working hard on this too. And they won't get anything. So i think it simply is not really fair!
See:
I decided to leave, to find a new phone and play with new things.
Others like J&Z are still developing hard for you and others.
Now i will get an amount of money, because i decided to go and offcourse i can not afford a new phone without selling the old one, and they won't get because they still stay here.
See my problem? Yes i understand well the goal is just to help me stay here AND have a new phone. And i really think that this idea is really good and nice!
AND i appreciate that many people here would donate their hard worked money to me!
But the above problem will stay, others will feel skipped or atleast feel a little sad. It seems like they will be "punished" to stay here.
THATS my problem with the donation thing to be honest
And be sure, with j&z you have 2 real good developers here, you don't need much you just need GOOD ones
Best Regards
Andreas
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yes but they get donations from many of us and buy new hardware and software with it, over a period of time the donations will all even out, allow us to do our bit to help freex10, by helping devs like you stay with the project and still get what you want a new phone
this is us mere mortals way of helping and doing our bit
£50 sterling
$40 dollars
and counting
lets be a bit realistic here, sure bin4ry leaving us is a big loss but there is a reason that hes getting a new phone.
he's simply tired of the x10 and want to explore something else I suppose, which means he wont have any motivation to spend any time on the x10 at all.
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lets be a bit realistic here, sure bin4ry leaving us is a big loss but there is a reason that hes getting a new phone.
he's simply tired of the x10 and want to explore something else I suppose, which means he wont have any motivation to spend any time on the x10 at all.
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and you are Bin4ry? Don't speak for him! And maby start read before post, Bin4ry is saying that he like to keep working if we can help him, but he feel bad against the other devs like J & Z etc. But IMO J & Z got a lot of donation so I don't think you should feel bad for it Bin4ry..
Xperia
Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted
Dmaxon said:
lets be a bit realistic here, sure bin4ry leaving us is a big loss but there is a reason that hes getting a new phone.
he's simply tired of the x10 and want to explore something else I suppose, which means he wont have any motivation to spend any time on the x10 at all.
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Sssssshhhhh not donating why post?
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guys calm down, ofcourse its your choise to donate or not.
according to me its just a waste of cash and to be honest, I kinda feel sorry for bin4ry to have all this pressure of you guys donating for him just to stay.
Dmaxon said:
guys calm down, ofcourse its your choise to donate or not.
according to me its just a waste of cash and to be honest, I kinda feel sorry for bin4ry to have all this pressure of you guys donating for him just to stay.
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Its not pressure. We donate to j and z do they feel pressure? NO
Why post to cause problems? You don't agree that's up to you but why post about it no one cares.
Once we get enough pledges then we will offer it to bin4ry because we are happy to do it no other reason. If you aren't move along simple really
LET ME STRESS PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO
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I was wondering that why there's only few developers left in x10 community now ???
what may be the reason ???
I am giving two main reasons why is it happening - Support it if you think the reason is correct or if you have some idea post it here
1. Not enough / good appreciation : means if some developers publishing ROM, there are less users who are giving nice word to developer, (I didn't see that much of good words for developers as other phone developer had received...) or people keep complaining about the bugs and some silly things (for example : my phone takes too long time to charge on this rom... Really ??????)
2. Not enough donation to developer(This is the big one) : I didn't see this much truely speaking, a very less developers have donators in x10 community, while i saw in galaxy s3 forums a long list of donators...
Any developers who wanna tell anything about this say it a loud we all are here to support you.....
Anybody want to share something regarding this, feel free....
erm probably due to all the new devices out there. The X10 has been around for a while now.
beanoguy said:
erm probably due to all the new devices out there. The X10 has been around for a while now.
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I know but still lots of users are using X10 and in comparison to users there's only few developers in our X10 community.
Right now its only 6 or 7 developers are active in this thread, and not all developers seems happy as i looked upon the forums.
I see some strong words from developers (No any offence to developer) which is not good for all of us users...
The reason is simple. X10 is an old device, lots of great developers had changed their phone.
Be real, man, no one will keep on developing if they don't own the phone anymore. Even if they want to keep developing. They cannot test without the device. It is not realistic.
There is nothing related to donation or appreciation.
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You're Right, That's totally weird, Maybe it's SE's conspiracy or something, because It's not like the device is almost 3 years old now or something & even if it was it's not like 3 years is a long time in tech & smartphones' world today, I'm telling you guys something really weird might be happening, We have to do something about it, Poor X10 really got neglected unfair
In today's world, the definition of best phone changes every few months then how can you expect a device that is almost 3 years old to have as much as development it had last year. There are exceptions like HD2 but even x10 development is not that bad.
We have cm10,cm9,and roms based on them like aokp, aocp, slimbean etc etc. What more you want??
Also i believe real developers do not work for donations, they work on device because they like to do it.
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In today's world, the definition of best phone changes every few months then how can you expect a device that is almost 3 years old to have as much as development it had last year. There are exceptions like HD2 but even x10 development is not that bad.
We have cm10,cm9,and roms based on them like aokp, aocp, slimbean etc etc. What more you want??
Also i believe real developers do not work for donations, they work on device because they like to do it.
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I know we have all the ROMs but What m telling is what is the reason that some developers stop working due to lack of appreciations/ bad behaviour from user
e.g. before some time achotjan was angry because of some guy posted ROM with his name and didnt even give credit to achotjan, and achotjan was out of development for X10 for a while
On the other hand for JB we only have three developers Scritch007, x10forevers and championswimmer. Thank God no body is giving bad review to Scritch007 but on the other hand I saw some people who are even telling x10forevers about not to post new thread and put all the things in one thread, that's really not fare, coz we all know its on developer what he/she wants to do on the other hand inspite of supporting people giving a bad review or idea about the development, one other user told in I guess Paranoid android JB thread that this rom is not stable than why publishing, some users talks about why u using rom that dont have much RAM to run some games and many more....
My point is that if we have few developers left, for sake of GOD, Please Support them, If you don't like ROM than don't use it atleast dont demolarise developers by posting something that is totally not useful.....
My straight point in the OP is : there's a reason why developer is leaving development is some users are totally rediculous to them.....
Lucifer
Hi guys...
We all saw what Sony policy to release new flagship device every six months did for development - basically - it screwed us.
Our main developers spread on XDA and future development for many devices could be very slow...
Also, we saw what happened with Xperia Z3 development, Z3 is great device but without best developers, themers or supporters there won't be custom ROMs, themes or MODs designed for it.
I talked to @niaboc79 and @serajr and offered some help.
My plan is to open on bounty thread, not for root, not for ROMs, themes or anything specifically...but to keep those two wizards in our team.
That way we'll get all the things I mentioned above.
The idea is to raise money or to be precise, donate money to Niaboc paypal account and support them.
That money will be for next Xperia devices, most likely called Xperia Z4. (two devices, one for Niaboc and one for Serajr).
This way we could be 100% sure we'll have best Xperia developers for the future.
If someone thinks we are doing a favor to them - think again.
ROM developing and MODs developing (Xposed modules) developing aren't easy and takes a lot of free time and we should be thankful and happy to have opportunity to keep those guys near.
XDA has changed, we aren't team anymore and that's not good...
But I believe we still have great guys here who knows what we are getting with this.
It's absolutely not important would you donate 1$ or 100$, what's important is your support.
We have hundreds, maybe even thousands of Xperia users who are planning to upgrade their device to Z4 and if we all support this idea and donate few bucks - we'll achieve our goal.
As I said, donation account will be Niaboc paypal account.
And I'm asking him to keep tracks about donations and post them here.
Thank you all for support!
I'm 100% sure we can do this and I'm 100% sure we are doing great thing.
If you are using Xperia Xposed by Serajr or eXistenZ or Xperia (no matter which one) you'll know I'm right
We all know who is Niaboc and who is Serajr, if you have any questions or what to ask them something (thread related) - I'm sure they'll response quickly.
@niaboc79 and @serajr
Could you please tell few words and confirm you are accepting this.
Thank you all.... And long live Xperia
We'll need all the resources in the future, among everything else - rooting method/exploit holes will be extremely hard to find and we need every help we can find.
I'll donate 40$ tomorrow, I hope there'll be many of us who'll join me...
Please, send your donations to Paypay account:
[email protected]
We'll keep tracks here, not to show who donate more but to say thank you to all who helped...
DONATIONS
@funky0308 - 30$
@lagania - 1$
TOTAL:
= 31$
You don't know who those two guys are?
Well, you are probably new Xperia users - so welcome to Xperia family.
Click on this @niaboc79 or watch this video (it's not latest but you'll get the picture who is this magician)
Sony Xperia Z3 ROM On Sony Xperia Z2 - eXistenz R…: http://youtu.be/G1JAzjQ0yM0
Same goes for @serajr
Watch this video and you'll understand why we are supporting this guy as well.
Serajr Xperia Xposed - Z3 Home "Hide Apps Drawer"…: http://youtu.be/SwtWSVOu0vc
This is just one of millions functions in this fantastic Xposed module.
I hope all goes well. Its a shame i cant donate i am only 14 yrs of age and i dont get lots of pocket money. I wish i could help.
Have a great rest of your day,
Thanks,
Mohamed
Totally agree!
It's just an honor for me to be remembered! Thank you so much buddy... you're amazing!
As I told you before and now again I confirm... whatever the outcome, all of you will have my full support, as I have always done in recent years.
And if xposed do not reach lollipop, things will be put into practice with oldschool modding method... smali editing!!
Long live Xperia development!
moman2000 said:
I hope all goes well. Its a shame i cant donate i am only 14 yrs of age and i dont get lots of pocket money. I wish i could help.
Have a great rest of your day,
Thanks,
Mohamed
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It's perfectly fine mate - this is support as well.
Sometimes few good words helps more then all the money of the world...
We are a community, that means that we must help others.
Serajr and me are working hard to bring you as much as we can but we need devices to work on.
The Xperia users doesn't have many developpers because Sony phones aren't as popular as Samsung or HTC.
I am motivated to keep supporting you so if all users are giving us even a few bucks we will be able to buy devices and work for you
Thanks
Cheers
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It's perfectly fine mate - this is support as well.
Sometimes few good words helps more then all the money of the world...
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Thx, that means alot to me.
Sounds good
I do believe we should mostly prioratize Z2 in development still
Its growing and we should continue to contribute to it growing.
We have Omni Rom on the way along with Multi-Rom thanks to Myself5 and Oliver
Now even if these two dont get finished any time soon you can see proof of their contributions/hardwork in github toward other users
Perhaps these two deserve to be on the list @funky0308
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Sounds good
I do believe we should mostly prioratize Z2 in development still
Its growing and we should continue to contribute to it growing.
We have Omni Rom on the way along with Multi-Rom thanks to Myself5 and Oliver
Now even if these two dont get finished any time soon you can see proof of their contributions/hardwork in github toward other users
Perhaps these two deserve to be on the list @funky0308
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Absolutely agree...but we'll have to work hard on PR to kick that little greedy person in all of us to understand we can't continue without developmers support and to donate and support.
We saw last bounty thread (for Z2 buying), we hardly raised for two devices.
If you ask me, I would buy 20 devices and would give them to many developers and contributors...but...
If we add few devs more here, we will stuck at the beginning and failed.
I really hope I'm wrong but I doubt.
When we raise more then 1000-1500$ I'll gladly add few devs more to list.
This is day two and still no informations about donations (read : no donations for now)...
XDA isn't about paying someone to get root or ROM, we should support our developers every day, with a simple word or a few bucks - only then we'll have great community that could work together.
It's not about money but it's ridiculous to expect devs will buy every Xperia Sony release (even he didn't planned that) just to work "for us".
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Absolutely agree...but we'll have to work hard on PR to kick that little greedy person in all of us to understand we can't continue without developmers support and to donate and support.
We saw last bounty thread (for Z2 buying), we hardly raised for two devices.
If you ask me, I would buy 20 devices and would give them to many developers and contributors...but...
If we add few devs more here, we will stuck at the beginning and failed.
I really hope I'm wrong but I doubt.
When we raise more then 1000-1500$ I'll gladly add few devs more to list.
This is day two and still no informations about donations (read : no donations for now)...
XDA isn't about paying someone to get root or ROM, we should support our developers every day, with a simple word or a few bucks - only then we'll have great community that could work together.
It's not about money but it's ridiculous to expect devs will buy every Xperia Sony release (even he didn't planned that) just to work "for us".
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True but i was planning on trying to get my self a Xperia Z4 primarily for development reasons.(you can ask people who know me if you want proof)
My plan is to build cwm and twrp for Z4 with the help of @Abhinav2
Oliver im not sure if he would want to dev for Z4 and same goes for myself5 but if we have them onboard we can atleast expect multi-rom/cm11,cm12/Omni-Rom
@funky0308
If we are going to get devs devices then we need to get atleast the foundation devs
These devs are the ones who get the initial important things out there and doomlord is an example of this, for Z2 he brought very worthwhile devs to Xperia Z2 and faux was one, his contributions here are large
If you want proof this is for development and not greed then i can give you proof
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True but i was planning on trying to get my self a Xperia Z4 primarily for development reasons.(you can ask people who know me if you want proof)
My plan is to build cwm and twrp for Z4 with the help of @Abhinav2
Oliver im not sure if he would want to dev for Z4 and same goes for myself5 but if we have them onboard we can atleast expect multi-rom/cm11,cm12/Omni-Rom
@funky0308
If we are going to get devs devices then we need to get atleast the foundation devs
These devs are the ones who get the initial important things out there and doomlord is an example of this, for Z2 he brought very worthwhile devs to Xperia Z2 and faux was one, his contributions here are large
If you want proof this is for development and not greed then i can give you proof
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Hehe....no one needs prof, we all know you are and who are all the guys you have mentioned.
This idea and thread is attempt to keep two guys who are very frisky on Z2, stock based development.
After hours and hours of corresponding and talking to XDA users we agreed to one thing - we need LB dev support.
I'm not trying to say Doom isn't important, he is legend of Xperia devices and without his work many things we are using now would not be possible.
As soon as we collect founds for two devices we'll continue to collect money for other developers but we are known to be extremely difficult when we should support devs and give something back...
So, lets wait and see what will happen here.
If someone wants to say "here's xx $ for doomlord" - I'm perfectly fine with it.
But if I added five devs to this bounty, our money would spread all around and we wouldn't do anything...
funky0308 said:
Hehe....no one needs prof, we all know you are and who are all the guys you have mentioned.
This idea and thread is attempt to keep two guys who are very frisky on Z2, stock based development.
After hours and hours of corresponding and talking to XDA users we agreed to one thing - we need LB dev support.
I'm not trying to say Doom isn't important, he is legend of Xperia devices and without his work many things we are using now would not be possible.
As soon as we collect founds for two devices we'll continue to collect money for other developers but we are known to be extremely difficult when we should support devs and give something back...
So, lets wait and see what will happen here.
If someone wants to say "here's xx $ for doomlord" - I'm perfectly fine with it.
But if I added five devs to this bounty, our money would spread all around and we wouldn't do anything...
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In which case bring [NUT] he is someone who can create recoveries for locked bootloader
Im mostly trying to get on the Z4 development bandwagon because i want to learn and contribute, Even though it isnt what your looking for it still helps those who you may not, Xperias always have strong LB support anyways, Xperia S and Z2 are examples i know very well and Xperia S didnt have any of this bounty stuff, it came along with time
Where doomlord usualy provides the first recovery and root methods ill try to since he is so busy and ive found life is hard when no one is there to do the work you cant do.
As for anything else with Z4 ill try to port multi-rom if Myself5 or Oliver wants to help however im not a dev nor a great dev but itll happen with time and patience
Also need i remind you that Xperia Z4 will most likely be releasing with Lollipop so even LB stuff will be hard, you would have to hotboot a recovery just to flash supersu and im not even sure if that can be done on locked bootloader and we definatly do need somone who can find and exploit if this is the case
We may be able to use adb to root but ill have to see on how adb acts in the situations i put it in.
I know you know of my capabilities with LB once i have recovery access @funky0308
Edit- if anyone @[NUT] is important for LB support
Grt initiation @funky0308. I see this is a good opportunity to bring devs to z4.. I have to agree on @Envious_Data on one thing.. Devs like NUT, Olivier, Myself5 are important to be on the list coz first thing, any user on xda will be needing root(lb), a recovery for lb, and custom roms for ub(cm/aosp) and ofc stock based roms.. I am not against niaboc or serajr.. They are grt devs n i am a big fan of their work.. I'm just trying to expand the list since we would be needing more devs in Z4.. I wish i could be any help in donating, but i am still a student. But atleast i hope we can contribute as a community and preserve good devs on xperia.. I remember a lot of good devs moving to sammy/htc.. One such example was letama.. You all remember him.. I suggest adding a few more devs like the ones i mentioned above to the list so that we can improve development.. Again, its just my opinion.. Peace..
I know why I said two names only and why I said those names.
Just check all bounties we had - we were struggling to raise money for two devices (and we failed, Niaboc had to add 60-70% to buy Z2)
I would like to have 10 000$ and to be able to buy device for everyone.
If we expand this list to ten names we won't do anything.
Who wants to support this - support, who don't want - just don't...
We have many great devs and contributors, it's impossible to add them all.
I know who is NUT, I know who is doom but if we want to be fair - we'll need someone as @jcase to find exploit in firmware.
For now, Z4 isn't even announced, so please, if you want to support our devs - support them.
It's ridiculous to talk about firmware which isn't announced yet...
We don't know what should we expect...and that's not subject of this thread.
I don't want to buy anything i just want to support guys who gave so much in last few years.
Even if they don't do a single thing on a next Xperia I still want to say tnx.
That's the purpose of this thread not to buy developer who will work 8 hour shift for us.
I said that in OP, this isn't root bounty, it's not ROM developing bounty or anything similar.
It's thread where we can show our appreciation to guys who work on Xperia devices and did amazing things...
So please, please, please....stop doing this - donate few bucks if you can...
This isn't true XDA spirit guys, we shouldn't buy developers, this isn't market..
We are supporting our developers no matter what, we are helping them to buy new device and we are trying to keep them near us.
That way they'll develop and we'll all have something from that.
Thanks
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I know why I said two names only and why I said those names.
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Thanks
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Like said atleast try to get the initial important people first, you cant realy do much with LB if you dont have root or recovery for it, same goes with UB, you need a recovery either way.
Im sceptical since the device will release with lollipop.
Then we can go for other people.
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Like said atleast try to get the initial important people first, you cant realy do much with LB if you dont have root or recovery for it, same goes with UB, you need a recovery either way.
Im sceptical since the device will release with lollipop.
Then we can go for other people.
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Mate, please tell me, or show me when doom find exploit and rooted LB Xperia.
Do same for NUT please.
NUT is great guy but he was using phils and dooms work.
He did awesome things, just like doom but jcase did what you are talking about, not doom, nor NUT.
We'll see what will happen.
This is thanks thread to guys who did fantastic job.
Number of tnx on latest ROM by Niaboc and lateat Xposed module by Serajr said everything.
We will need many developers here, that's true.
So donate 40-50$ and lets expand this list.
I will donate today and I'm perfectly fine with list expand but lets show we are really on this.
When this bounty shows 500-600$ we can talk further...
It's easy to write names but I haven't seen a single dollar to confirm your statement.
We need devs...yes, we need them, show that, don't only write names.
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We'll see what will happen.
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Fair enough, atleast you understand my current point.
Lets wait and see.
My last point mostly acted on LB support.
Envious_Data said:
Fair enough, atleast you understand my current point.
Lets wait and see.
My last point mostly acted on LB support.
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As I said...
This was my plan...
But if anyone wants to donate to someone else (here), that's perfectly fine and it's more then welcome.
Lets start and buy (raise money) first two devices...if we can buy more then two devices - fantastic...
No one would be happier then me if we could buy 20 devices.. But lets start...
Every suggestion is welcomed, absolutely but lets keep this simple and lets have fun here...
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As I said...
This was my plan...
But if anyone wants to donate to someone else (here), that's perfectly fine and it's more then welcome.
Lets start and buy (raise money) first two devices...if we can buy more then two devices - fantastic...
No one would be happier then me if we could buy 20 devices.. But lets start...
Every suggestion is welcomed, absolutely but lets keep this simple and lets have fun here...
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This may be planning way far ahead but im going to be buying a new device in a year and a half and i was thinking of creating a bounty list to atleast get [NUT] just because its not easy at all making recoveries for LB
Good idea @funky0308.. We should expand the list after we get more donations.. I agree wit u.. :thumbup:
First of all, i don't wanna get flamed because of this, this is just a thought, nothing more, i just wanted to discuss abit more about this, since there's no real discussion thread in any forum about this. So, as we all know, there's no real way to unlock bootloaders wich have bootloader unlock allowed:No status. Yet. I think there is a way, because, let's be honest, it's not a hardware restriction. That means, someone, somewhere, with enough knowledge and experience maybe could unlock it. While Sony's software is really good, i am a long time XDA member, and with a huge history of devices, i really don't like being restricted on Stock ROMs and kernels. This situation has honestly never happened to me, and it's my fault not checking the device i took. Feel wise, this phone is the best i owned. It feels right. It feels premium. The battery is great. The screen is great also, and the camera too. I love it. Just the feel of being locked forever makes me scared actually. Mainly because i plan to stay with this phone for atleast two or maybe more years since it's just too great. And, seeing as Android grows, our device will already be outdated with the next android release. Sure, that's not a problem for users with unlocked bootloaders, since they will be supported with CM/it's kangs and AOSP custom ROMs for the next gen for sure, and maybe even the one after that. But what's with us that have bootloaders locked? Marshmallow and that's it? No more updates? No more security patches? No new features? That just doesn't sound right. Now, i think we, as a community, should really do something about this, yea, maybe it's not a big thing for many of you, and for you with unlocked BL's, but for me it is. What are my thoughts, and our options could be:
1. We could raise a bounty, and buy/give a phone to someone experienced with unlocking and hardcore hacking (the first name wich comes to my mind is @geohot )
2. We could do some research, ask opinions from devs and litteraly everyone we can, do some experiments with this stuff (but that requires someone really brave hahah)
3. I don't know, you can tell me below.
But i really think we should do something about this finally.
NOTE that this includes Xperia Z1/Z2 users also.
Guys i at least want disscus this. Call me stupid and call this all above nonsense, but if there's at least a small shed of light, any hope, we should discover the way.
And sorry for the long post.
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There are lots of discussions about this in various Xperia threads.
Here is my $0.02
Geohot will not touch an Xperia device, he has had a C&D from Sony, so will not get involved with them.
No-one will seriously try to find a way to unlock the boot as there is a very simple way already, just buy a device that allows it. Why try and pick a very very difficult lock on the front door when the back door is left wide open. I understand some people have devices that cannot be unlocked but devs will always get ones which can.
Finally, have a look in the cross device development section for a thread about this. Munaji was trying to do just this but AFAIK he made very little progress.
gregbradley said:
There are lots of discussions about this in various Xperia threads.
Here is my $0.02
Geohot will not touch an Xperia device, he has had a C&D from Sony, so will not get involved with them.
No-one will seriously try to find a way to unlock the boot as there is a very simple way already, just buy a device that allows it. Why try and pick a very very difficult lock on the front door when the back door is left wide open. I understand some people have devices that cannot be unlocked but devs will always get ones which can.
Finally, have a look in the cross device development section for a thread about this. Munaji was trying to do just this but AFAIK he made very little progress.
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Too bad. I'm sure he could do it.
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