Hello people,
I want to give my thanks to Sony Ericsson, because they have done what other manufacturers failed to do.
First of all, they are the only manufacturer so far that has pushed verizon into releasing kernel sources, and they are probably the only manufacturer that doesn't get pushed around by Verizon.
The reason (IMO) that we can't unlock bootloaders for CDMA phones Via SE's site is because Verizon just buy the hardware with the source and shift and change. If Verizon say that they will not allow unlocking of bootloaders, then it will not happen, because after all it is the Verizon Xperia Play and Sony Ericsson have little control over it.
Thanks for promising an ICS upgrade for us, even though our phone can be considered quite low spec compared to other devices. I don't get the X10 users at all, they say that Sony Ericsson is bad because they won't update the X10 to ICS even though HTC won't update there Desire S, Incredible S, DHD, Thunderbolt which have only been released since late last year.
Also, having a member on behalf of SE on this forum and part of the dev community is awesome, I had to blink a few times to read what the article said about the OFFICIAL ICS BETA.
Does any other manufacturer give you a way to unlock your bootloader, push verizon to release sources, and upgrade a single core £150 phone (£200 when I got it) to ICS?
To the whining x10 users who are ranting at SE for not giving them an ICS upgrade -> be thankful they gave you Gingerbread, how old is the x10 now? 18 months?
Google have a policy IIRC that a phone can only updated if it is less than 18 month old (why the first nexus did not get 4.0)
And thanks for bringing us so many Xperia Play optimized games! Almost 2 are released every week!
Keiran
You forget that beforehand, Sony Ericsson left the phones pretty much out of date. Xperia X8 never got dual touch even though it was possible (and it was done). Sony only updated the X10 to Gingerbread because of the outrage caused by the infamous "our Eclair is better than Froyo" tweet, and leaving those users without Froyo at all. Sony is atoning pretty nicely, but its previous record wasn't all that fancy. Keep in mind the iPhone 3GS, which is fairly in the range of a Xperia X8, and its update record.
Besides, the Xperia Play didn't exactly launch at 150 pounds. It launched at thrice that sum, and it was heavily discounted because of poor sales.
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You forget that beforehand, Sony Ericsson left the phones pretty much out of date. Xperia X8 never got dual touch even though it was possible (and it was done). Sony only updated the X10 to Gingerbread because of the outrage caused by the infamous "our Eclair is better than Froyo" tweet, and leaving those users without Froyo at all. Sony is atoning pretty nicely, but its previous record wasn't all that fancy. Keep in mind the iPhone 3GS, which is fairly in the range of a Xperia X8, and its update record.
Besides, the Xperia Play didn't exactly launch at 150 pounds. It launched at thrice that sum, and it was heavily discounted because of poor sales.
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Yes but at least they have changed. At least they listen to the community and released gingerbread for the x10.
Dropping prices has got Sony written all over it, look at the PS3, launch was £425 and now you can get a 250GB slim one for £275, around 40% less.
Sony Ericsson have made the best phones for as long as I can remember. I don't know why anyone would buy a non-Sony Ericsson phone.
I came from a Motorola phone (never again will I make that mistake) and I absolutely love this phone. Its my first android phone where I truly feel that SE is doing all they can for their customers. I mean I was totally floored yesterday when I saw that Verzion allowed SE to release the source kernel. I mean HTC and Verizon are all cozy but even then HTC doesnt really allow for kernel sources. Maybe for other US carrers but not verizon. This is needless to say a huge reason why I am thrilled to have my phone. I can do with it as I please and SE is right there doing what they can to keep their customers happy and on the ball. I mean our single core phone is getting ICS, thats awesome. So I would also like to thank Sony Ericcson for their truly amazing work. I know last year they did not have a good track record but they are seriously trying and doing what they can to change their image and I wouild like to show my appreciation and gratitude for all they have done. Thank you Sony Ericcson.
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Sony Ericsson have made the best phones for as long as I can remember. I don't know why anyone would buy a non-Sony Ericsson phone.
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I think I've said it elsewhere, but when I first got into Android I had 2 phones I was eyeying.. the Xperia X10 (great hardware but was limited to 1.6) or an Acer Liquid E (almost as good hardware, running 2.2) - went with the Acer. Since then SE's really stepped up their game, and I'd say this phone is second only to the Nexus line for upgrades. The Acer didn't even last a year.
Now, all I want is an Xperia Play with a non pitiful amount of built in storage and I'd be happy. Dual Core wouldn't hurt either
i forget what SE have done to us on on X10 series ....
but now , they proved us that all the mistakes gone .
i want to say " THANK YOU SONY " instead of SE !
i'm a gamer and i have all gaming console Xbox360 , PS1 ,PS 2 , PS 3 , PSP and now xperia play !
sony really , really , really proved that they respecting to customer , just compare Sony's games on PS3 to other consoles ...
anyway ,
i think Sony's CO. strategy effected on ericsson , and now , i/we are really waiting for that day !
the day that sony sevelop its exxclosive and fantastic games on xperia play!!
just imagin : god of war - little big planet - resistance ...
i wish we could ask SE that why they did not developed any exclosive game yet.
we just run global android games on our xperia play
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i forget what SE have done to us on on X10 series ....
but now , they proved us that all the mistakes gone .
i want to say " THANK YOU SONY " instead of SE !
i'm a gamer and i have all gaming console Xbox360 , PS1 ,PS 2 , PS 3 , PSP and now xperia play !
sony really , really , really proved that they respecting to customer , just compare Sony's games on PS3 to other consoles ...
anyway ,
i think Sony's CO. strategy effected on ericsson , and now , i/we are really waiting for that day !
the day that sony sevelop its exxclosive and fantastic games on xperia play!!
just imagin : god of war - little big planet - resistance ...
i wish we could ask SE that why they did not developed any exclosive game yet.
we just run global android games on our xperia play
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Well Sony did buy out Ericsson so we might see some Sony made games
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Ty se, fu $ony
SE initially releases heavily priced products and hardly supports dated phones in the past,so I hope now things change for the better in SE(Or should I say,Sony) so consumers like us keep our faith in Sony,especially with Xperia Play.Adding to that fact,I've always loved SE's ROMs which are very nice in my opinion.
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Ty se, fu $ony
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Agreed.Can't believe they want to buy it out as their own.I hope this doesn't make things worse.
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I love Sony guys i must say i had a satio before my xperia play i expected more of satio bu they disaspointed me in that. But the xperia play makes it all good again. And now sony will the boss of the phone market of se i think we will see amazing things on xperia play
Why praise Sony Ericsson the play station is a great idea but the aftersales warranty sucks
I have recently sent my play back for repair and it was refused and I have to pay for the return postage for my device which is not fair. Also I found my handset was scratched by them on the side by a knife inwhich I am upset about because it was in mint condition before that as it was zagg protected and the knife mark did even penetrate the zagg sheild I am p???ed
Yeah the phone is brilliant but consumers beware aftersales repair is the worst ever even apple replaces jail broken handsets!!! Old with new swap policy Sony does not.
I have now fixed my Sony maybe I should work for them I do a better job!!!! Lol
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Why praise Sony Ericsson the play station is a great idea but the aftersales warranty sucks
I have recently sent my play back for repair and it was refused and I have to pay for the return postage for my device which is not fair. Also I found my handset was scratched by them on the side by a knife inwhich I am upset about because it was in mint condition before that as it was zagg protected and the knife mark did even penetrate the zagg sheild I am p???ed
Yeah the phone is brilliant but consumers beware aftersales repair is the worst ever even apple replaces jail broken handsets!!! Old with new swap policy Sony does not.
I have now fixed my Sony maybe I should work for them I do a better job!!!! Lol
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Lol maybe you should since I keep hearing problems about the customer service.
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there was someone @ XDA, he's xperia play had some issues he sent it to se but they didn't repair it so he sent it to Sony it self and he just got a new one.
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I came from a Motorola phone (never again will I make that mistake) and I absolutely love this phone. Its my first android phone where I truly feel that SE is doing all they can for their customers. I mean I was totally floored yesterday when I saw that Verzion allowed SE to release the source kernel. I mean HTC and Verizon are all cozy but even then HTC doesnt really allow for kernel sources. Maybe for other US carrers but not verizon. This is needless to say a huge reason why I am thrilled to have my phone. I can do with it as I please and SE is right there doing what they can to keep their customers happy and on the ball. I mean our single core phone is getting ICS, thats awesome. So I would also like to thank Sony Ericcson for their truly amazing work. I know last year they did not have a good track record but they are seriously trying and doing what they can to change their image and I wouild like to show my appreciation and gratitude for all they have done. Thank you Sony Ericcson.
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Could you or someone else fill me in on what ICS is and also what the kernel release means?
I have to agree tho that this phone sold poorly. Heck even the accessories for it are on huge discount and sale because nobody wants them
:/ good and bad...
i as one have been an x8 user and still am but i will thank Sony Ericsson for learning from their mistakes by leaving their phones outdated ...(x8 was released with 1.6 when 2.1 come out and 2.1 was out for x8 when i think it was 2.2 maybe 2.3) the ply was sent out with 2.3 at the time of release it was up to date... thank you SE
Hogwarts said:
Could you or someone else fill me in on what ICS is and also what the kernel release means?
I have to agree tho that this phone sold poorly. Heck even the accessories for it are on huge discount and sale because nobody wants them
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ICS = Ice Cream Sandwich = Android 4.0
Kernel sources mean that sufficiently development oriented people (like DooMLoRD or kerianftw) can develop custom kernels to flash to the play to expand usability of the phone (overclocking, cwm built into kernels, etc.) (I'm also looking into building a custom kernel, but I'm having issues that I'm asking DooM for help with)
My $.02 on why this phone hasn't sold to well it's that it was marketed as a niche phone, rather that a phone first with ability to play games second... that and what look like lackluster specs (single core compared to dual core, even tho that really didn't make a difference, yet) put people off to this phone
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ICS = Ice Cream Sundae = Android 4.0
Kernel sources mean that sufficiently development oriented people (like DooMLoRD or kerianftw) can develop custom kernels to flash to the play to expand usability of the phone (overclocking, cwm built into kernels, etc.) (I'm also looking into building a custom kernel, but I'm having issues that I'm asking DooM for help with)
My $.02 on why this phone hasn't sold to well it's that it was marketed as a niche phone, rather that a phone first with ability to play games second... that and what look like lackluster specs (single core compared to dual core, even tho that really didn't make a difference, yet) put people off to this phone
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I thought it was ice cream sandwich ?
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last month i just selected X10i instead of HTC Desire, now Desire just announce Android 2.2 released. Why i can't find any Android 2.1/2.2 Rom for X10i ?
Because SE dont wanna upgrade to 2.2. They just sheduled an upgrade for 2.1 at Q4 this year afaik.
We'll see an official 2.1 ROM in the near future, before the end of September. 2.2 will take longer.
Currently a lot of dev work is being put in towards cracking the bootloader and with any luck it should be fixed relatively soon. So no custom ROMs yet but the bootloader is being worked at and we have an initial version of CM6 ready to go.
As for picking the X10 over the Desire I can only go with my personal experience and say that you made the right choice. I've used both and the X10 has a better screen and is sexier overall imo. So even though the Desire will get updates earlier the X10 isn't too far behind and worth the wait.
So is it fair to say that if the X10 comes to ATT in usa the X10 will become much more popular and therefore gain many more devs? I dont like the iphone but I must say the iphone dev team really knows their ****. ( Not saying that the devs here dont but i think there are many more devs for the iphone which is why they crack new FW within days usually.
I hope that is the case. Developers here are hard working and cracking is not one man's job. We need groups of developers to crack it. More users == more developers working on that particular phone.
I bet soon we will see some big jump movement forward towards 2.2
Thanks to our Dev team.
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So is it fair to say that if the X10 comes to ATT in usa the X10 will become much more popular and therefore gain many more devs? I dont like the iphone but I must say the iphone dev team really knows their ****. ( Not saying that the devs here dont but i think there are many more devs for the iphone which is why they crack new FW within days usually.
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Guys, I too agree that iphone devs do get the jailbreaks and other stuff out the door rather quick, but that is apple, this is sony. It should be safe to say that X10 devs have a worthy adversary. If you recall, xbox was cracked pretty soon but the ps3 took about 2 years. Sony is good, but I put my faith in X10 devs. It's only a matter of time but they'll get froyo on our fones am sure
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Guys, I too agree that iphone devs do get the jailbreaks and other stuff out the door rather quick, but that is apple, this is sony. It should be safe to say that X10 devs have a worthy adversary. If you recall, xbox was cracked pretty soon but the ps3 took about 2 years. Sony is good, but I put my faith in X10 devs. It's only a matter of time but they'll get froyo on our fones am sure
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Well i dun mind waiting but let hope they dun take 2 years to crack too>< hahaha
really hope 2.1 faster come out. i been checking xda every min to see any new on it=)
Sony Ericsson and Sony are two separate companies.
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Sony Ericsson and Sony are two separate companies.
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..but not too far away Sony organization
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..but not too far away Sony organization
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From my knowledge SE is pretty much just the old Ericsson but with some Sony bits tacked on. Afaik they're still based in Sweden and haven't changed much. I remember having two cellphones from before the merger and the Sony phone was utter ****e while the Ericsson still works to this day. It's an old GA628 from the mid 90s, I don't use mine anymore but my grandad still hangs on to his. They're built like tanks, they just won't break.
Android 2.1 is coming to the X10 Family Sony Ericsson in October or November
Well we heard about upgrading the X10 for a long time. Then I was informed by source inside SE that it will have an update from Android 2.1 and X10 to X10 Family, the whole family.
Here’s what a source inside the Sony Ericsson Accessory wrote us:
“From November 2010 the software will be X10 Mini updated and now supports the Android 2.1. This update can also be done on all X10 mini bought before that date. ”
The update on Android as well as leaving the unit more fast will still cause images to become very best. Currently, the X10 can only display 256 000 colors. With the upgrade they can display up to 16 million colors.
We talked with the Communications Department Sony Ericsson and confirmed that:
“The X10, X10Mini and X10Mini Pro will be updated in October. ”
“After the update they can record HD video.”
Note:I don´t want anyone ilusion but let's wait for the sony ericsson first to comment so I just hope not to get a guy of this fool for news.
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Well i dun mind waiting but let hope they dun take 2 years to crack too>< hahaha
really hope 2.1 faster come out. i been checking xda every min to see any new on it=)
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Likewise, am checking it too every now and then so I don't miss it. Sony is supposed to provide the update to 2.1 by September or October 2010, I hope our devs can get froyo on our fones before that, it'll be a shame to lose root with sony's update.
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From my knowledge SE is pretty much just the old Ericsson but with some Sony bits tacked on. Afaik they're still based in Sweden and haven't changed much. I remember having two cellphones from before the merger and the Sony phone was utter ****e while the Ericsson still works to this day. It's an old GA628 from the mid 90s, I don't use mine anymore but my grandad still hangs on to his. They're built like tanks, they just won't break.
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I dunno what deal does sony and ericsson have, but one thing is for sure, the merger did provided some good looking and powerful fones off of it.
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From my knowledge SE is pretty much just the old Ericsson but with some Sony bits tacked on. Afaik they're still based in Sweden and haven't changed much. I remember having two cellphones from before the merger and the Sony phone was utter ****e while the Ericsson still works to this day. It's an old GA628 from the mid 90s, I don't use mine anymore but my grandad still hangs on to his. They're built like tanks, they just won't break.
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Ericsson GA628 was my first phone to. Great phone with a rock solid build.
i think sony played a major part. don't think Ericsson old day can design such amount of sexy looking phone.
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my ga628 is still lying around somewhere and i had 2 use it awhile ago
gaolinde said:
i think sony played a major part. don't think Ericsson old day can design such amount of sexy looking phone.
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Yeah, that's sort of how I imagine the cooperation works. Sony lets Ericsson do what they're good at, making great phones, while they take care of the design and multimedia bits.
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i think sony played a major part. don't think Ericsson old day can design such amount of sexy looking phone.
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i agree, but am just another sony fan. i believe any two companies that can ever be on same level of great designs and eye candy stuff in any product are apple and sony.
Im starting to get fed up with the x10 being so slow. Heading into the direction of getting a Nexus One. Should I calm down and wait or switch?
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Android 2.1 is coming to the X10 Family Sony Ericsson in October or November
Well we heard about upgrading the X10 for a long time. Then I was informed by source inside SE that it will have an update from Android 2.1 and X10 to X10 Family, the whole family.
Here’s what a source inside the Sony Ericsson Accessory wrote us:
“From November 2010 the software will be X10 Mini updated and now supports the Android 2.1. This update can also be done on all X10 mini bought before that date. ”
The update on Android as well as leaving the unit more fast will still cause images to become very best. Currently, the X10 can only display 256 000 colors. With the upgrade they can display up to 16 million colors.
We talked with the Communications Department Sony Ericsson and confirmed that:
“The X10, X10Mini and X10Mini Pro will be updated in October. ”
“After the update they can record HD video.”
Note:I don´t want anyone ilusion but let's wait for the sony ericsson first to comment so I just hope not to get a guy of this fool for news.
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Actually, its coming near the end of September from the info that I have. Also, it will not be the last update we see this year, there will be another major update end of the year (though not platform upgrade). My guess is 2.2 is coming in Q2, not sure of the timeline, but coming for sure
Which one you guys think is better? And would buy?
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really too early to say... need more real life user experiences to see how they perform in the real world..
That said.. Arc for me - cos it looks proper bo.
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really too early to say... need more real life user experiences to see how they perform in the real world..
That said.. Arc for me - cos it looks proper bo.
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Will have to agree with the ice-man...
It's too early to talk about, however I'm going with the Arc, since my experience with Samsung's software was the worst
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Make sense since it has 2.3 gingerbread so no one ***** about the update anymore lol. I wish Sony Ericsson was good in update as htc
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Make sense since it has 2.3 gingerbread so no one ***** about the update anymore lol. I wish Sony Ericsson was good in update as htc
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HTC has the upper hand since they started first with Android, "HTC Magic G1", so I think they are more experienced than Sony Ericsson, but with time I'm sure SE will catch up hopefully
And you can't stop people from complaining, some complain about 2.4 already
I'll pick Arc for sure. The design is way better than any other competitors. Looking into the released vedio of Arc, the software development capability of SE can be trusted. I think they just need some very little time to catch up.
Sony Ericssons new software design makes sure there is as little 'critical' integration as possible, so they can release updates to the OS or their own apps without having to worry too much about other things breaking. Also, developer Arcs running 2.4 have been spotted, so even while the Arc -and- 2.4 aren't out yet, SE is already working on it.
I personally also think Google really likes Sony Ericsson. Sony Ericsson is one of the few companies that decided not to release any phones with Windows Phone 7. Samsung and HTC both are also targeting Windows Phone 7 markets. Because of SE's focus on Android, I think they realize they have to do their absolute best now, and I also think Google is slightly favoring them when it comes to developing for the latest version of Android.
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Sony Ericssons new software design makes sure there is as little 'critical' integration as possible, so they can release updates to the OS or their own apps without having to worry too much about other things breaking. Also, developer Arcs running 2.4 have been spotted, so even while the Arc -and- 2.4 aren't out yet, SE is already working on it.
I personally also think Google really likes Sony Ericsson. Sony Ericsson is one of the few companies that decided not to release any phones with Windows Phone 7. Samsung and HTC both are also targeting Windows Phone 7 markets. Because of SE's focus on Android, I think they realize they have to do their absolute best now, and I also think Google is slightly favoring them when it comes to developing for the latest version of Android.
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Is that just your opinion - or have you experience, contacts within SE or Google that have said this to you??
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Is that just your opinion - or have you experience, contacts within SE or Google that have said this to you??
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Just my thoughts, carefully formed by what I read and see about Google and Sony Ericsson, and further backed up by pure logic ^^
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Just my thoughts, carefully formed by what I read and see about Google and Sony Ericsson, and further backed up by pure logic ^^
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I remember reading a while back google approached SE to design their nexus phone and SE was not interested.
Imagine if SE's Arc is actually Nexus S? I think it would have been more successful than the ugly design done by Samsung.
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I remember reading a while back google approached SE to design their nexus phone and SE was not interested.
Imagine if SE's Arc is actually Nexus S? I think it would have been more successful than the ugly design done by Samsung.
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I don't even think they tried, to be honest. Sony Ericsson has always tried to differentiate with their very own style of software. Every Sony Ericsson-device ever released has a very distinct Sony Ericsson-feel, if you know what I mean. With a Nexus phone they'd have to completely drop all software changes and just provide the hardware. They couldn't add some Walkman or Cybershot stuff, no BRAVIA engine, nothing, since it'd all have to be stock Android. And that is something Sony Ericsson just doesn't even want to do. (It's also why they ditched Windows Phone 7)
Atrix, of course
Imo : None of them.
If you got a 1ghz Smartphone atm,dont change it.
Why ?
1)Arc has also a 1ghz CPU like the others,yes it will be a bit faster but nothing from the other world.
2)SGS2 and Atrix sound very sexy but they are very expensive.
3)Quad-core Tables coming into August,and mobiles phones a bit later. So you'll gonna have to refresh phone again in 4-6 months =p
I am sticking to the X10 for now,im gonna skip the "Dual-Cores" and wait directly for the quads if i buy a new phone...besides...a mobile phone with quad-core cpu's....where the hell are we going?. Im seeing a Mobile Phones crisis coming...people are not gonna be able to keep up buying phones one after another if they are outdated in less than 5 months...jeesus...
That said,the SGS2 has more than double the power of the Arc,so that tells it all.
Respect.
Looks like all the QQ did some good. For x10 owners at least.
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/¸
P.S. Probably has something to do with the x10 bootloader being bypassed and the good progress devs are having with loading custom kernels.
yes i think also SE is scared about loosing conrtol about there own devices. So they want to bind us again to themselfe.
Yeah,we already know that
nope we already got 2.3..through xda dev
Meh! Again we are left high and dry.We didn't get dual touch update either and now this too.
Why can't we get both x10 and x8 ,2.3, because SE doesn't have resources. And here we have J providing gingerbread to entire xperia series with help of some devs!
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Will you upgrade the XperiaTM X10 mini, mini pro and XperiaTM X8 to 2.3?
No, we have no such plans. We have had to prioritize our resources and have therefore focused on delivering the upgrade to XperiaTM X10.
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They have to prioritize their team to provide 2.3 for only X10. While most work to bring CM7 to X10/X10mini/X8 has been done by only 2 devs: jerpelea and racht. Such a shame to SE.
What a ****ty news, I feel like smashing my phone in S.E. face... hope no S.E. worker gets in my sight cause I am mad as hell! I mean come on, I was ok with the 2.1 on all current xperia line but this ? WTF is with this discrimination, F*** THEM!
Wait,xperia line was always updated together and new cerficated update was relased on 23 of march for x8.
Please sony update x8 and x10 minis too.
if they won't update x8 to 2.3 or 2.2, i won't buy another SE phone !!! never !!! and i think that i'm not the only one
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Wait,xperia line was always updated together and new cerficated update was relased on 23 of march for x8.
Please sony update x8 and x10 minis too.
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i hope se have some time to read this thread
I will break forum rules now...
SSSSSSSHHHHHIIIIITTTT
SONY IS A SHHHHHIIIITTTTIIINNNNGGG ****!!!!
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I love my X8 but...
Don't get me wrong, I love my X8. However this is the first, and last, time I shall ever buy a Sony phone. I only bought mine last December, after a big Christmas marketing push by Vodafone here in Portugal. Imagine my dismay (and disgust!) to discover, after less than a month, that Sony already considered the phone obsolete before I'd even bought it :-(
Oh well. Live and learn I suppose (but it also makes me much less likely to buy anything Sony in the future...)
Rendering my x8 obsolete after only 4 months after seeing 1 proper update (1.6 --> 2.1)... not good.
Was planning to upgrade to Xperia Play, but I no longer trust SonyEricsson and have given up all plans of buying any of their products again.
That being said, XDA makes the x8 a very decent little phone. But still the XDA devs are fighting an up-hill struggle against the lockdowns imposed by SE. Thank you XDA, screw you SonyEricsson
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Rendering my x8 obsolete after only 4 months after seeing 1 proper update (1.6 --> 2.1)... not good.
Was planning to upgrade to Xperia Play, but I no longer trust SonyEricsson and have given up all plans of buying any of their products again.
That being said, XDA makes the x8 a very decent little phone. But still the XDA devs are fighting an up-hill struggle against the lockdowns imposed by SE. Thank you XDA, screw you SonyEricsson
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on sonyericsson lauch blog writes no plain,not we will not upgrade x8 and minis just no plain
the real idea is to bypass bootloader so sony ericsson will update x8
Well mates, I think it's time to make some noise in SE blogs, this is not only a discrimination, this feels like your older brother was given by it's mother a bigger and better toy to play with, and we, the younger sons, can play with lego for eternity. Ah... This is a lack of respect, lack of sense, we do not only need that upgrade, we need recon. We are costumers, we spent our money buying the phones, we are SE future, our opinions and thoughts will count in next sales. We can't just be left behind, I know SE certified some firmwares recently, but, if they were thinking to upgrade us, they would have done it now at same time as X10.
Well it seems this is a way too give further security to bootloader, and remove kexec exploit. There's no downgrading after this. It's a terrible choice (my thought). So, we (x8,x10mini/pro owners) don't really need this upgrade since we have J & racht & so many great developers contributing, and I have so much to thank them for the hard work, precious time they take to do it, and for sharing it with XDA community, well I can say, with all users around the world. We are very near to reach total freedom.
Regards
That are not full working roms
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I hate SE businnes strategy...
Doomguy said:
I hate SE businnes strategy...
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Me too but worst is that their profit fall 20% from 2010 and they are so bad to custumers,realy and one more thing why they put so expensive phones in sale,x8 and minis will sell better with better support because they cheap but for 100 $ more i will buy htc wildfire.
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thedailycommute said:
Don't get me wrong, I love my X8. However this is the first, and last, time I shall ever buy a Sony phone. I only bought mine last December, after a big Christmas marketing push by Vodafone here in Portugal. Imagine my dismay (and disgust!) to discover, after less than a month, that Sony already considered the phone obsolete before I'd even bought it :-(
Oh well. Live and learn I suppose (but it also makes me much less likely to buy anything Sony in the future...)
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Cmo eu te compreendo, a mim foi exactamente igual.. xD
I made exactly the same mistake.. :/
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Asdoos said:
yes i think also SE is scared about loosing conrtol about there own devices. So they want to bind us again to themselfe.
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Sony want this upgrade, and maybe this software update will also bring an bootloader upgrade, which will give us no chance of Xrecovery or Root, So, i stay with XDA
This Thread will be here for all the discussion regarding Sony, Xperia Play, & ICS myself & Techno-update will be monitering it. Keep it clean!
All other threads related to ICS on the Xperia Play & Sony's Stance on updating will be closed & link to this thread.
Pax
FSM Sony Ericsson Xperia Play
Thank you.
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This is sweet, good job!
Does anyone else think that perhaps this is a precursor to a "Xperia Play 2"? Think about it; the physical hardware probably wouldn't change much (same buttons, slider configuration, similar screen size). The main difference would be the hardware "underneath" (quad core, tegra, etc.) and the software. By dropping ICS off for the original Xperia Play, they can turn around and say the new model runs the superior ICS (and will surely get an update to jellybean)
Im not sure if my xda app is bugged out but on my screen the op's post is blank. Cant see what the topic of discussion is or ops thoughts.
LOL does the Kool-Aid taste good?
No, maybe/ hopefully you are right!! I would love an Xperia Play 2 BUT only after my contract is up....I think I have a year or so left.
this was my latest openion , please go on :
i'm sure that XDA's developers can make ICS better that sony , like what they did on our x10 mini-mini pro ...
sony-mobile allways say that they have expert engineers ...
so , xda's developers are more expert than sony's engineers ???!!!
plus , they only need dommlord , jjkkyu , bin4ry ... ?
i'm sure that sony is liar . just wait 4 or five mounths , maybe sony wants to make new play-xperia ! ( something like xperia play 2 ) ! and that is reason to leave our xperia play without hard working on update .
on 2010 , they stopped working on X10 series , just because of 2011 series !
just look at apple updates , they support their specs for 3 years ,!unfortunately , now i can understand , why apple owners , allways laugh at us !
Ics 4.0.4??? N Play didnt get it??? Bummer. Lets hope our talented dev can port that updte for our Play.
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Thumbs up to SONY for its strategy..
first, released ICS BETA version.. i think they already know the feedback : many would report bugs on gaming
second, with bugs gaming report.. this will create an opinion for some users : better not getting the update than couldn't enjoy the gaming experience
third, with that opinion created.. of course some users wouldn't blame them at all
Imagine if SONY do not release ICS BETA n suddenly made a statement no ICS update for Xperia Play in the very last minute, ........ ???
Why dont you start a petition before its to late? Ask for ICS or at least a value pack.
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I think that this shows that not only does Sony not care about their Xperia Play users, but they are LAZY as ever. Let's put out a broken ICS beta to scare everyone away from it, so when we announce that the Xperia Play isn't getting ICS we won't have to take the crap from users. Heck, we weren't going to come out with ICS for the play and we just half-assed a beta to shut the users up. I want Sony to go back on their word and say We messed up and we are going to make ICS for the play, but it isn't going to happen any time soon. I'm just glad I am running aokPlay and it runs smoother then butter coated in animal birthing agent (was featured on Mythbusters when they needed an EXTREMELY slippery surface), sliding on freshly zambonied ice. Yah, It works that well for me. I have NEVER gotten a crash that wasn't my fault because I OC'd too high, or I did something stupid like open too many tabs in my browser by FAR. I hope that Sony sees the light and realizes that all they would have to do would be to release a NON beta ICS version to the devs here and we would all be happy. Then they could at least say "you can't upgrade from us, but you can still do it if you want..."
I think this is just a delay, not cancel.
But anyway, i will start my ics project soon, no longer waiting.
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I think that this shows that not only does Sony not care about their Xperia Play users, but they are LAZY as ever. Let's put out a broken ICS beta to scare everyone away from it, so when we announce that the Xperia Play isn't getting ICS we won't have to take the crap from users. Heck, we weren't going to come out with ICS for the play and we just half-assed a beta to shut the users up. I want Sony to go back on their word and say We messed up and we are going to make ICS for the play, but it isn't going to happen any time soon. I'm just glad I am running aokPlay and it runs smoother then butter coated in animal birthing agent (was featured on Mythbusters when they needed an EXTREMELY slippery surface), sliding on freshly zambonied ice. Yah, It works that well for me. I have NEVER gotten a crash that wasn't my fault because I OC'd too high, or I did something stupid like open too many tabs in my browser by FAR. I hope that Sony sees the light and realizes that all they would have to do would be to release a NON beta ICS version to the devs here and we would all be happy. Then they could at least say "you can't upgrade from us, but you can still do it if you want..."
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i'm agree with you
we should finally teach sony that PROMISE IS PROMISE .
a broken apple is better than sony-mobile's xperia
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I suggest that all the developers working on custom ROMs stop working on their ROMs and get together and work on ONE ROM that would aim to be the best ICS experience possible. Maybe if we all work together we can convince Sony that ICS is still worth it. Just because some games aren't written for ICS it doesn't mean they won't be in the future. So yes, let's pool our resources and make a BETTER ICS rom then whatever Sony might have given us!
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I suggest that all the developers working on custom ROMs stop working on their ROMs and get together and work on ONE ROM that would aim to be the best ICS experience possible. Maybe if we all work together we can convince Sony that ICS is still worth it. Just because some games aren't written for ICS it doesn't mean they won't be in the future. So yes, let's pool our resources and make a BETTER ICS rom then whatever Sony might have given us!
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Now thats an IDEA!!!
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Im not quite bothered that ics is cancelled,i might be sad if they also cancel the upcomming PSSuite and other ported PSP games,hopefully once its released our devs will be able to reverse engineer it like Psxperia
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Im not quite bothered that ics is cancelled,i might be sad if they also cancel the upcomming PSSuite and other ported PSP games,hopefully once its released our devs will be able to reverse engineer it like Psxperia
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yeah , sony also promised new PSsuite and psp games !!!
i want to be patient , but i can't
Let's start from the beginning. The Play, from a pure hardware view, can run ICS. Sony, HTC and other companies are releasing hardware with ICS and lower specs than the Play (Tapioca, Desire C). We've seen that the beta runs mighty fine in the performance department, and it's obvious that the job can be finished if Sony cares to do so.
However, this is a matter of the gaming ecosystem. In short: the only companies Sony cares about are the big names like EA, Gameloft, Rockstar, etc. as they make the big majority of the Play game sales.
However, with regard to development, the Play is not important to those big names: they see it as "the redheaded stepchild Android", because they have to make extra effort to make it work with the game pads, instead of easily deploying the code in it like they do in the whole different platforms they code for (not only mobile phones, but smart TV's, console-related app stores, Steam and so on). Sony bribed those big developers with a lot of cash (remember all those free EA games and temporary exclusives?) so that the Play remained visible.
Fast forward to now. Gingerbread is present in a good 60% of Android Play Store-running hardware. ICS has only like.a 4%. Android is the best selling platform, with, let's say 500 million active devices. If my numbers are not wrong, that gives 300M GB devices 20M ICS ones. Developing with ICS in mind implies higher development costs, because you have to study the new features and use them. And of course, big name developers target wide audiences: by default they'll program with Gingerbread in mind, so they couldn't care less about ICS right now.
Someone mentioned Windows 7 incompatibility with old games: there is actually a Compatibility mode which was mainly designed for the purpose of using older games. Now Steam has taken care of that, which suits MS fine.
With the ICS upgrade, Sony probably contacted their "partners" and asked them to update their software (basically switch from the Sony custom gamepad framework to Google's standard one which Sony probably contributed themselves) for it to work properly in ICS, like they do in Sony gaming platforms. But unlike the PlayStations, it's those big name developers who are in control now, particularly in Android. Therefore, they showed Sony the middle finger.
Indie developers, on the other hand, are much more careful with their code, since they don't have the ability to port a game to twenty platforms and offset the possible losses of one platform with the other one. That means they produce code which is much better tailored to the platform they work on, and you can see it because most indie games work properly in both GB and ICS (note that I'm not talking about the quality of the game itself, but of its code).
TL;DR this is a power struggle between Sony and the big name game developers. The latter have won here, at the expense of the users. Support independent developers but make sure they don't make the "big name" status, because they'll get the need to control everything and screw users like this.
P.S if someone is so unhappy about not having ICS that they don't want that piece of crap lying around in their home, I offer to pay $50 plus shipping for it
Sony makes a Fony promise....
RIP Sony
I was looking for an ICS phone with gaming capability and decent specs, the Xperia play looked good and so I bought it as Sony had "promised" an ICS update. I am vvery dissatisfied and disappointed with them and hope they are hit with a lawsuit. If not id at least like some compensation.
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http://samsunggalaxyandroid.net/201...atlas-hayabusa-and-mint-among-the-highlights/
as you all know Sony projects milestones was leak and there was a project
called "Atlas" so if this is goind to be on the same weight and it is going to be another greek god, XPlay2 "Atlas" is going to be out in sept.
the leaked milestones:
http://www.gsmarena.com/unannounced...ne_prices_and_launch_dates_leak-news-3681.php
Pfft talk about rumour central!
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Technically Atlas was a Titan.
and..there is no xplay 2..it's already been confirmed by sony. There will be no gaming smartphone from sony for years. thank the horrible sales of the 1st play and the vita and the new chain of command sony has gotten. Plus, they just bought sony ericsson this year
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Technically Atlas was a Titan.
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How to you top a God? Titan
I generally don't believe anything Sony or any Company says. I mean many times they deny a product exists and then go and release it. It's very funny actually.
I still think there is an Xperia Play 2 in the future but I don't think it is the Atlas. Look at the price in the rumors.
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and..there is no xplay 2..it's already been confirmed by sony. There will be no gaming smartphone from sony for years. thank the horrible sales of the 1st play and the vita and the new chain of command sony has gotten. Plus, they just bought sony ericsson this year
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I dont think any of the sonys sell alot lol
SONY isn't dumb enough to throw a PlayStation oriented smartphone in the mix it would def send its Vita into an "earlier" grave
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SONY isn't dumb enough to throw a PlayStation oriented smartphone in the mix it would def send its Vita into an "earlier" grave
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Not really . Because it will never compete with kind of experience that you get with the Vita. I'm satisfied with my Xplay because all I really need is emulator games and ocasional android fun titles.
Throwing an Xplay 2 would mean that they actually care about our gaming needs. Let's face it, all the other phones, whatever their hardware might be(quad, octo cores) they will never rival a phone playstation controls or physical controls for that matter. The way I see it, they should try to reduce the bulkiness and make the slider system more like the ones we see on the Nokia's(much more sturdy).
If you make it slimmer, port in some God of War games, make it more sturdy(a gaming device needs that) then people will BUY
Atlas was not a God
The next Xplay 2 will be named Hercules
xperia play 2 = pseidon
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I generally don't believe anything Sony or any Company says. I mean many times they deny a product exists and then go and release it. It's very funny actually.
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As much as I don't believe there is any Xperia Play 2 in the works, I am sure some of you will remember the buzz that preceded the release of PSP GO.
"What? Why would Sony release such a thing? A new PSP a with slide-out gampead and ONLY flash memory and no UMD slot??? They will never do such a thing."
And then - BANG! A video was released on YouTube with PSP GO, even before Sony officially announced the thing. Came as a shock to many, myself included.
Saying that, I still don't believe they have any kind of a new Xperia Play in their plans. The market is in a different situation now from then.
Xperia Play S/HD = DreamOn
Why does everyone keep on dreaming that there will be an XPLAY 2?
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Why does everyone keep on dreaming that there will be an XPLAY 2?
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Because the xperia play rocks. It'll be hard for me to go back to touch screen controls after having this phone
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I feel your pain, but Sony confirmed there are no plans for a successor.
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I feel your pain, but Sony confirmed there are no plans for a successor.
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thats why after my contract done im done with gaming on phones PERIOD because there aint no point in touchscreen controlls. by then ps3(mabe ps4) and i will be reunited since i havent been going near that thing since i got my play
F**K YOU SONY whatever business is business
I sincerely don't belive in these types of rumours, similarities and so on. If it's official, ok, if it's the Sun that will surely kill us in 5 billion years and we must stay in our homes starting form now (speaking about the "Atlas" rumour), it's nonsense.
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I feel your pain, but Sony confirmed there are no plans for a successor.
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Where did they confirm this? All I've seen them say is that they are focused on bringing the playstation experience to other phones in the lineup. They are focusing on the ps certified experience. If anything, this guarantees a successor to the play. It may not be something they are prepared to talk about now (hence denying all rumors to the contrary), but mark my words, it's going to happen.
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