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Do you think the Iconia is dead for hacking?
hope not..
otherwise i will buy other honeycomb tab that have usb port
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Do you think the Iconia is dead for hacking?
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I'm hoping Acer stops being douches and unlocks the bootloader, but who knows. It's depressing to look in the Transformer subforums and see "kernel 1.5GHz custom XYZ ROM" and we're lucky to have NTFS modules working.
It's a solid device and I'll likely keep it, but I also have the luxury of being able to buy another tablet in a couple of months if all goes well, so that can be my hack-away tab. By then 3.1 should be more widespread and Kal-El will be out soon, so I may wait for that even.
If.you.go under android development tab the system images post i think. The guybsays his acer contact is.looking at the bootloader policy and they will see what they can do to help out the dev community needs
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How about another poll option - don't care?
I've been a member of XDA for some time (5 years) and have benefited from XDA experience to install custom ROMs on three different Windows Mobile phones.
But I've had my HTC EVO 4G from when they first came out and I've never rooted it or put on a custom ROM. With Android, I never really needed to do so. It did pretty much everything I wanted it to do.
When I bought my Nook Color, I did root it and did play around with some custom ROMs, but now that I have my Acer, I've taken the Nook back to the standard release.
I've only rooted my Acer in order to get CIFS support. As long as we can root, I'm very happy with it.
So put me down as "don't care, love my Acer anyway!" !
So put me down as "don't care, love my Acer anyway!" !
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What he said!
Yes. Do not buy this tablet if your main goal is to work on hacking and custom roms. I just bricked my tablet yesterday while working on a custom ROM by inadvertently deleting a critical file from the /data partition that doesn't actually get flashed during the firmware update process. Now I'm stuck in a boot loop with no root and no possibility to fix it because of Acer's dumb bootloader lock.
I'm moving on from Acer. The A500 is a loat cause. Hopefully the Samsung 10.1 will have a more lenient boot loader policy otherwise I'll be getting the Asus Transformer.
Ya. That 'don't care' thing? That's me.
Though I did vote #3.
Dead. No.
Dying. Maybe.
It's still too early to judge. Maybe not in 'cracking' time, but in 'product life-cycle' time it is.
I vote for a 5th option, "This poll is stupid."
The device has barely even been out for a month, if you're that worried about it being hacked by now, then go get the transformer.
Fine tablet for me no need to go to a transformer or wat kind of tablet.....but....i will be waiting for Windows8 tot run on a500 so i can run software for the autistic kind of my girlfriend
dr1337 said:
Yes. Do not buy this tablet if your main goal is to work on hacking and custom roms. I just bricked my tablet yesterday while working on a custom ROM by inadvertently deleting a critical file from the /data partition that doesn't actually get flashed during the firmware update process. Now I'm stuck in a boot loop with no root and no possibility to fix it because of Acer's dumb bootloader lock.
I'm moving on from Acer. The A500 is a loat cause. Hopefully the Samsung 10.1 will have a more lenient boot loader policy otherwise I'll be getting the Asus Transformer.
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wait, wait, wait -- i thought you got rid of yours a few weeks ago. now it's "yesterday"?
cool story bro, tell it again.
dr1337 said:
Yes. Do not buy this tablet if your main goal is to work on hacking and custom roms. I just bricked my tablet yesterday while working on a custom ROM by inadvertently deleting a critical file from the /data partition that doesn't actually get flashed during the firmware update process. Now I'm stuck in a boot loop with no root and no possibility to fix it because of Acer's dumb bootloader lock.
I'm moving on from Acer. The A500 is a loat cause. Hopefully the Samsung 10.1 will have a more lenient boot loader policy otherwise I'll be getting the Asus Transformer.
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Have you tried the Chinese firmware update file? My understanding was that that file was a full system reload.
I had screwed my unit and thought it was bricked however this saved mine and I then put the US 1.141.07 upgrade over it.
edgie168 said:
wait, wait, wait -- i thought you got rid of yours a few weeks ago. now it's "yesterday"?
cool story bro, tell it again.
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I just love it when a troll gets dragged out from under his bridge.
lawl, he posted like a week ago that he unbricked it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1108928
Damn trolls.
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I just love it when a troll gets dragged out from under his bridge.
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What have you contributed to the XDA community? I was the one who pointed out that you didn't need the Flexrom to unbrick your system and was the one who pointed out that you didn't need a previous ROM's boot.img to update. I also happen to work on a few Nexus One ROMs and I was the first to get a firmware out with a working video camera recording on Gingerbread.
I would suggest you do a bit more research before you start flaming my posts. My reasons for bricking is a whole lot more complex than simply deleting the TelephonyProvider.apk etc.
If you really want to compare, just head down to Freenode and check out how many devs are on the #xoom and #asus-transformer channels and compare that to the #acer-a500.
*shrug*
I couldn't really care less about your contributions. In this thread, you appear to be trolling.
You seem to be pushing the transformer quite a bit, too, judging by your twitter page.
I think you just have something against the Iconia, and are therefore trolling.
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In this thread, you appear to be trolling.
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It's not just this thread..
Hello friends,
For reasons I do not even want to bother to understand, as I am on the waiting list for the Evo 3D and will never again buy any Samsung product, though I would like to have at least basic mobile phone capabilities until the end of June, my Epic has died. It got to the point I would have to remove the battery every 10 minutes and restart. I would get all these Touchwiz errors. So I decided to hard reset, at least so I could have a phone. I'll reinstall apps when I get my Evo 3D. So I removed the SD card, and went to Settings-Security and initiated a hard reset. That was four hours ago and the SAMSUNG logo is appearing as when you restart the device, and staying put. Is the hard reset this long? What should I do? This phone, which I've had since last fall, has been the worst experience of my life, and that doesn't even count the Froyo fiasco of a few months ago. Good riddance to Samsung. I bought a Moto Xoom, which has worked flawlessly over the past month on Honeycomb. It's nice to know that there are some Android devices that don't cause so much pain and suffering that you want to scream as does this horrid Samsung phone. But I need a phone for the next 2 and a half weeks before the Evo 3D makes an appearance, so I would dearly love to know what to do at this point! Thanks in advance.
Hard reset shouldn't take more than 3 or 4 minutes.
Is your phone rooted? Are you on a custom ROM? Do you know how to use ODIN?
Thanks.
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Hard reset shouldn't take more than 3 or 4 minutes.
Is your phone rooted? Are you on a custom ROM? Do you know how to use ODIN?
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Thanks. I am/was rooted. I do have ODIN but need a refresher.
Roots his phone, has issues, incorrectly tries to do a recovery and it's Samsung's fault...
drplaud said:
Thanks. I am/was rooted. I do have ODIN but need a refresher.
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Recommend you follow the instructions in this thread.:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052813
Read it carefully, Do exactly as it says. Do NOT unplug the phone until they tell you to.
Good luck.
Seems like some people like to generate heat and no light...
gjones77 said:
Roots his phone, has issues, incorrectly tries to do a recovery and it's Samsung's fault...
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I am looking for assistance, not your petty judgment. The root issue had to do with a recommendation from this very forum. Thank you for your non-help. Yet another reason that I wish to leave Samsung forums. I hope Samsung is paying you for your good work.
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Recommend you follow the instructions in this thread.:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052813
Read it carefully, Do exactly as it says. Do NOT unplug the phone until they tell you to.
Good luck.
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Thank you very much. I will do so, and again thank you for helping rather than criticizing as in that other fellow's reply. Where do those people come from?
The thing is u blame samsung for all of it when it probably was user error. But u don't want to hear that.
"The greatest respect you can earn is self respect" Louie Simmons
drplaud said:
Hello friends,
For reasons I do not even want to bother to understand
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Aka pebcak
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drplaud said:
Thank you very much. I will do so, and again thank you for helping rather than criticizing as in that other fellow's reply. Where do those people come from?
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Just need to mention that my first instinct was to criticize too. It comes from the tone and attitude of your original post. Most of us in this group like our Epics, and in my case it has been the best phone I have ever owned. I have found that the few problems I have had with it have come from my mistakes, installing poorly designed ROMS, etc. I'm back on the stock Sprint ROM and have a rock solid well performing phone. Maybe you have a lemon, but without knowing the history I'm not going to judge.
Anyway, best of luck getting the phone revived.
Got it to work.
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Just need to mention that my first instinct was to criticize too. It comes from the tone and attitude of your original post. Most of us in this group like our Epics, and in my case it has been the best phone I have ever owned. I have found that the few problems I have had with it have come from my mistakes, installing poorly designed ROMS, etc. I'm back on the stock Sprint ROM and have a rock solid well performing phone. Maybe you have a lemon, but without knowing the history I'm not going to judge.
Anyway, best of luck getting the phone revived.
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I followed POIT's recommendations, and I have my phone back, worked like a charm, thanks. I understand the issues, but this phone has been a challenge. When I got it I was "promised" a 2.2 upgrade within weeks, quickly ran out of space with no ability to put apps on the SD card, and then what ensued was four months of FROYO chaos. Enough. I hope you all enjoy your Epics, shortly I'll be in Evo 3D land, and I think more content.
Once again, to those who helped, many thanks, especially POIT.
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I am looking for assistance, not your petty judgment. The root issue had to do with a recommendation from this very forum. Thank you for your non-help. Yet another reason that I wish to leave Samsung forums. I hope Samsung is paying you for your good work.
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First off, when a person seems to know enough to go and root their phone yet doesn't bother to go about finding the information to setting it back to stock which is a sticky in the dev section, yes I'm going to make note.
When a person goes and creates problems for themselves and then wants to blame the product for their own inability to follow directions and be ready for a failure, that person needs to learn the hard way, I'm sorry ignorance should be painful.
Now, I wish I was being paid by Samsung, hell, I'd take a free WiThin, but alas I'm not, I actually came over from the EVO because I had too many issues with it.
I'm one of the first people to call a company out for a poor product or poor service, in this case the issue arrived from neither, the issue was your own doing.
I made some of the same mistakes and semi-bricked my Epic, I was able to Odin it back to stock by reading how to on this forum, not by posting a thread bashing the Epic because I was too lazy, impatient and ignorant to educate myself.
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... not by posting a thread bashing the Epic because I was too lazy, impatient and ignorant to educate myself.
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Your quote above speaks volumes about yourself. You do not spend your time assisting others, instead insulting them, calling them names. Apparently this community should be in reverence to someone of your self-described qualities. I am not lazy, a bit impatient, and not ignorant. Perhaps I don't have your skills in searching through archives, but I think the skill you might want to focus on for yourself in the future concerns developing social skills. Why would you want to contribute or be a member of a forum when instead of assisting you decide to deride? I have had many issues with the Epic these past nine months, and God forbid a little bit of my frustration bubbled to the surface. I am about to leave this forum for good (thanking again those who did assist me), and so there will be one less person for you to insult.
This threads abit useless so I have a question.
How do u do Hard reset? My phone locked up once and I held idk what buttons for like 1min and it rebooted. But now idk what or how I did it =(
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Shoulon said:
This threads abit useless so I have a question.
How do u do Hard reset? My phone locked up once and I held idk what buttons for like 1min and it rebooted. But now idk what or how I did it =(
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Use Odin. The hard reset wont help /system/ corruption (TW, etc.). You have to odin or flash a rom at this point. Pull battery, hold 1 on keyboard and power, set up odin/heimdall on computer, plug in phone, flash using odin.
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marcusant said:
Use Odin. The hard reset wont help /system/ corruption (TW, etc.). You have to odin or flash a rom at this point. Pull battery, hold 1 on keyboard and power, set up odin/heimdall on computer, plug in phone, flash using odin.
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soo... there are no reboot steps? like original non smartphones had? (Hold power til ur finger hurts?)
Shoulon said:
soo... there are no reboot steps? like original non smartphones had? (Hold power til ur finger hurts?)
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Oh... on froyo its power, volume up and camera. On GB, there is nothing but a good old fashion battery pull.
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never mind
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never mind
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believe me i know how you feel... =/
you get thanks cause iknow you tried. =)
idea for ya
drplaud said:
Hello friends,
For reasons I do not even want to bother to understand, as I am on the waiting list for the Evo 3D and will never again buy any Samsung product, though I would like to have at least basic mobile phone capabilities until the end of June, my Epic has died. It got to the point I would have to remove the battery every 10 minutes and restart. I would get all these Touchwiz errors. So I decided to hard reset, at least so I could have a phone. I'll reinstall apps when I get my Evo 3D. So I removed the SD card, and went to Settings-Security and initiated a hard reset. That was four hours ago and the SAMSUNG logo is appearing as when you restart the device, and staying put. Is the hard reset this long? What should I do? This phone, which I've had since last fall, has been the worst experience of my life, and that doesn't even count the Froyo fiasco of a few months ago. Good riddance to Samsung. I bought a Moto Xoom, which has worked flawlessly over the past month on Honeycomb. It's nice to know that there are some Android devices that don't cause so much pain and suffering that you want to scream as does this horrid Samsung phone. But I need a phone for the next 2 and a half weeks before the Evo 3D makes an appearance, so I would dearly love to know what to do at this point! Thanks in advance.
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later man hope the evo treats you better
It just seems like they made it impossible to root , reverting back is fine I suppose and searching for other roms (which may or may not be stable ,use at your own risk) !
Ive seen some of the smartest people in XDA and I cant seem to figure out why other tablets using the same updates have been rooted but not the iconia ? The writing is on the wall for this tablet , expect to see a new version soon (just in time for Christmas)!
First, wrong section; you should know better by now.
Second, just because Acer have made it a bugger to root, doesn't mean the tablet is dead. It's absolutely useable without being rooted, and 99% of consumers don't actually give a monkeys about rooting, or even know what it actually is.
Hell, we get plenty of people on here asking what it is or what it's for...
New iconia is scheduled for Dec release but may get pushed back to january.
Interesting, you are posing that on XDA. We dont believe in Impossible to Root device. That is why people come to XDA; How to break what seem unbreakable or unlock what seem unlock-able. Just give some time, some genius will always find a way to kick some Corporate teeth in.
well wasnt it acer excuse not unlock the bootloader since honeycomb was not open source. I think that was one of their statements, so once we get updated to ICS maybe we all can start with a tweet assault on them again.
Not sure about u guys but I feel more comfortable recommending the xoom or asus tab just cause they are so open, same goes for those nook colors.
Vintage144 said:
It just seems like they made it impossible to root , reverting back is fine I suppose and searching for other roms (which may or may not be stable ,use at your own risk) !
Ive seen some of the smartest people in XDA and I cant seem to figure out why other tablets using the same updates have been rooted but not the iconia ? The writing is on the wall for this tablet , expect to see a new version soon (just in time for Christmas)!
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You should look at the older phones like the Desire and before that if you think its hard to root here, you'd probably cry at the thought of creating a gold card.
How people complain that a rooting process that takes all of 15 minutes and a couple of reboots is hard is beyond me. In 3.1 and below all you have to do is download a file from the market. In 3.2 you have to run one update file from recovery, install the aforementioned files from the market, then flash one of the ROMs from here - such as the completely stable completely standard 3.2 ROMs, or the excellent and completely stable Thor ROMs. If that's too difficult for people then maybe they shouldn't be attempting it on something that cost them £300.
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You should look at the older phones like the Desire and before that if you think its hard to root here, you'd probably cry at the thought of creating a gold card.
How people complain that a rooting process that takes all of 15 minutes and a couple of reboots is hard is beyond me. In 3.1 and below all you have to do is download a file from the market. In 3.2 you have to run one update file from recovery, install the aforementioned files from the market, then flash one of the ROMs from here - such as the completely stable completely standard 3.2 ROMs, or the excellent and completely stable Thor ROMs. If that's too difficult for people then maybe they shouldn't be attempting it on something that cost them £300.
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LOL - that was exactly was I was thinking after reading the first post. I have got a Desire and rooted it with goldcard etc. - long before the newer and way easier methods were developed.
Yesterday I got my Iconia 501 with Stock HC 3.2 on it and rooting it was a real breeze
Seriously? Near impossible to root? This guy must be slow, because this was just insanely easy... been rooted for months and tried nearly every rom at least once, all easy as pie.
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LOL - that was exactly was I was thinking after reading the first post. I have got a Desire and rooted it with goldcard etc. - long before the newer and way easier methods were developed.
Yesterday I got my Iconia 501 with Stock HC 3.2 on it and rooting it was a real breeze
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Same thing with the original mytouch. I had to use a gold card and there were no less than 3 times during the process that i thought i had bricked it. i may be permanently scarred.
There have been many times i have rooted other devices including the iconia that i went searching for more steps because it was too easy.
ya i have the Desire S too and waited for ages for it to be rooted, the Iconia only took me a few minutes, don't really see what the difficulty is, thought this was an old thread haha
ne too lol i was like...all i did was install an app, go to recovery, and flash rom ( give or take a few steps) and i did that the day i got it (sept 2011) and it took a few a mins, this thread confused the heck outta me lol
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ya i have the Desire S too and waited for ages for it to be rooted, the Iconia only took me a few minutes, don't really see what the difficulty is, thought this was an old thread haha
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You should look at the older phones like the Desire and before that if you think its hard to root here, you'd probably cry at the thought of creating a gold card.
How people complain that a rooting process that takes all of 15 minutes and a couple of reboots is hard is beyond me. In 3.1 and below all you have to do is download a file from the market. In 3.2 you have to run one update file from recovery, install the aforementioned files from the market, then flash one of the ROMs from here - such as the completely stable completely standard 3.2 ROMs, or the excellent and completely stable Thor ROMs. If that's too difficult for people then maybe they shouldn't be attempting it on something that cost them £300.
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Hello there... one day I found my camera lense cracked and I sent it in for repair. upon return it had 3.2 on it (my icona a500) since then I have not found a way to root 3.2. I have looked on the threads and until your comment I havent found a way to root 3.2. Would you be so kind as to pm me or post the thread link here please? Its laggy as hell on stock and I want to root and get rid of the bloat ware. Thanks!!
lanisan said:
Hello there... one day I found my camera lense cracked and I sent it in for repair. upon return it had 3.2 on it (my icona a500) since then I have not found a way to root 3.2. I have looked on the threads and until your comment I havent found a way to root 3.2. Would you be so kind as to pm me or post the thread link here please? Its laggy as hell on stock and I want to root and get rid of the bloat ware. Thanks!!
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A member since 2007 and you cannot find a way to root your acer, you either don't read at all or don't understand what you are reading.. any one that really need to root their acer already did so including myself....
When is there going to be something flashable in this thread
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When is there going to be something flashable in this thread
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When you learn to find it and come and post it here? It's pretty well documented, and other than the crap threads that get posted in here like this one, pretty well organized.
tumpy said:
A member since 2007 and you cannot find a way to root your acer, you either don't read at all or don't understand what you are reading.. any one that really need to root their acer already did so including myself....
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1136 right here it is 3hreadsown from this one. Giggles even a blonde can find it
This is inbwrong thread sorry for my post all
I rooted my tablet right after I got it in May. Then when the 3.2 update came out, I went back to stock unrooted and ran that way until this morning when I realized I wanted to change my navigation buttons. Downgraded, rooted, installed CWM and flashed the rooted stock 3.2 and was back in business in like 20 minutes maybe. Would've been done quicker, but I had to pause to make some more coffee. Didn't even lose any of my data or apps. I don't know how you measure easy, but by my measure, its a cake walk. A cake walk where you actually win cake, instead of awkwardly shuffling around in a circle with strangers thinking that if you win it might all be worth it, only to have some snot nosed little turd walk away with the very cake you wanted, and you go home and weep gently into your pillow because you never win, and no one ever seems to see that all you want is to be loved, oh God, why can't someone just love you...sorry I digress.
lol i rooted mine like the first 15 minutes that it was out of the box. I don't like not overclocking
Vintage144 said:
It just seems like they made it impossible to root , reverting back is fine I suppose and searching for other roms (which may or may not be stable ,use at your own risk) !
Ive seen some of the smartest people in XDA and I cant seem to figure out why other tablets using the same updates have been rooted but not the iconia ? The writing is on the wall for this tablet , expect to see a new version soon (just in time for Christmas)!
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And this thread belongs in the DEV area.
Mods must be on Thanksgiving break already
Back to the OT! Did Acer Kill the Iconia?
Here it is.... Plain and simple.... Acer is killing the the Iconia since they are taking their time to produce good accessories for it. Also, what were they thinking in giving the power adapter such a short cord?
Other than that.... I love my A500, and would not mind upgrading to a the Tegra3 version.
You know you are the reason xda came to be. A massive community forged behind your products, and your old model of 'keeping things open'.
Xda has become a HUGE COMMUNITY.
you will become zero and lose your place in the US if dev HTC unlock continues to be the halfass joke that HTC made and that actually is more likely to screw HTC users. We need full unlock, then we can fix our own software, not rely on you.
I love HTC hardware, but I'm buying galaxy or something in about 10 days.
Please listen to our recovery builders and take into consideration the VALID points I KNOW they have brought to your attention. They know Android better than YOU, HTC.
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I agree completely. It is sad to have one of the only manufacturers outside of Google phones that offer an "unlockable" product, yet see so many struggling almost more than without unlock!
Looking a device is understandable from both manufacturer and carrier points of view. When a grown adult, who spends their hard earned money on a device, wants to upgrade and develop their own software why lock them out? HTC will only benefit from the developer community as Android a a whole exists on the theory of open source. CID was found out explored and corrected all within this community and HTC got praise for it. Where is our returned gratitude?
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Bump!
Plus I have written an article on the situation, including the full quote from @toascfh from the discussion in the One X forum!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK
Great job! Hopefully HTC will listen. I know they'll listen to $, but I don't know how much of a dent the custom community would really put in their pocket.
Also, I cleaned up my post. It was written last night with anger/frustration and liquor. Lol
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Could you please clarify for me, and others who aren't completely sure, how this affects devs and users? For example:
1. Can I root?
2. Can I get superuser access and use SetCPU?
3. Can I flash a custom kernel?
4. Can I flash a custom ROM?
Those are some things I'm wondering. All I want development wise on my new toy is improved battery life, which I assume will come via kernel change or SetCPU. Does this seem possible?
Thanks in advance!
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PsiPhiDan said:
Could you please clarify for me, and others who aren't completely sure, how this affects devs and users? For example:
1. Can I root?
2. Can I get superuser access and use SetCPU?
3. Can I flash a custom kernel?
4. Can I flash a custom ROM?
Those are some things I'm wondering. All I want development wise on my new toy is improved battery life, which I assume will come via kernel change or SetCPU. Does this seem possible?
Thanks in advance!
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Do you currently have your EVO with s-off?
The new bootloaders are locking us out from flashing the boot partition from recovery. This means that if you want to flash a ROM you need to flash the boot.img from the ROM through fastboot first, then enter recovery and flash the ROM. Also, you are blocked from flashing from system, i.e. flashing from inside the ROM, like using ROM manager or something like that. As for the kernel I am not so sure... but maybe, unless it is in the boot partition, which I actually think it is...
So, you will use htcdev to "unlock" your phone, then you can use:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
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This will get your custom recovery, however your options from there are limited as stated above.
Then, to flash a ROM, you need to issue:
fastboot flash boot boot.img
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Using the boot.img from the ROM, then enter recovery to flash the rest of the ROM... As far as I understand. Then you will be able to use recovery to flash su binaries gaining superuser access, if necessary.
So, really you are going to be tied to your computer, issuing a lot of fastboot commands just to update ROM's, this severely slows down, and complicates the process, however, it will still be possible.
This all stems from more of a frustration, that HTC is locking things down making hell for users to customize their own device. This is what some 3vo users and many Sensation users and almost all Rezound users are experiencing. With the One series there are many working on this but it is difficult and frustrating.
I do plan to get the EVO LTE, despite the turmoil, and am trying to quickly learn some dev work so I can be a contributing member to the community. Believe me there will be those that stick around, but to lose the likes of toastcfh and cyaniarb... that would be a major set back...
Viperboy has opted for the Galaxy Nexus, but may still come to the EVO LTE, which would be a big help as he has done some great work for locked HTC devices. Though, in the long run, we do need to let HTC know what we want and that we are valuable and indispensable as a consumer group.
Thanks a ton! That is very encouraging to hear that there are still ways to go about doing things, just not as easy to do them. Honestly, the only reason I am a flashaholic now is that there is nothing that satisfies all of my needs. I feel like the EVO 4G LTE will satisfy everything I am looking for, and I'll only need to do little tweaks instead of massive wholesale changes regularly.
Now that being said, I'm still not happy to hear it is making devs run elsewhere, because we need them to create stuff so we have an opportunity to tweak our phones, whether in terms of big changes or not. Is there a way we can draft an email together and everyone who cares on this site can send it to them? Kind of flood their email to send a message?
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Great job! Hopefully HTC will listen. I know they'll listen to $, but I don't know how much of a dent the custom community would really put in their pocket.
Also, I cleaned up my post. It was written last night with anger/frustration and liquor. Lol
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I went into there Facebook told them I'm the tech of the family and they ask me what's the next good phone told them to go with the iphone or Samsung since HTC is locking down yup I'm the one that convinced them to get evo's and evo3D in the first place. You see what they dont take into consideration is we tell people what's the next up in coming hot phone including me I could sway away 8 potential customers not one. Just my two cents
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Someone from the One X thread, where toast laid out the rant I quoted, already submitted said rant to HTC Facebook page.
Another problem with S-on is you can't flash radios. And from what I've seen in the rezound forum, once you update your main version (or firmware), like 4.54 to 4.67 for the Evo, you can't go back. So I believe it you wanted d to test an ICS ROM, and it was buggy, you couldn't go back to GB (using Evo current situation for reference).
As for kernel, I'm not sure how that is affected. As for recovery, I've changed recovery on my Evo using terminal emulator, meaning from within system (android). That can't be done in the current state of development, hence the need for fastboot and to do everything from a computer. I'm not fond of that.
The best way to see the current state of affairs is to do some serious browsing in the one x and rezound forums to see what users are up against.
Glad to hear you're studying up imheroldman. I need to, too. Hell, idont even know how to use cmd prompt or fastboot or adb. Never had to with Evo. Lotta people gonna have to study up, it seems.
Unless HTC gets their **** together. **cough cough cold day in hell**
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imheroldman said:
Bump!
Plus I have written an article on the situation, including the full quote from @toascfh from the discussion in the One X forum!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK
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I tweeted it, not like any one follows me but ...
With HTC claiming boot and USB are locked out because of "security reasons" is their way of saying "screw you, we will only give you a worthless partial unlock and still void your warranty for using it" and the htcdev.com method flags the device so they know you used it so your warranty can't be "reinstated" by relocking your phone like when they exploit and turn s-off then returning s-on so they don't know reinstates your warranty as far as sprint or HTC are concerned. This is the reason HTC locks the bootloader and requires a tool to "unlock" it. Samsung doesn't lock the bootloader at all, they implemented what is called a custom binary flash counter which triggers a number increase when ever you flash a custom kernel that has been modified. And they put the recovery partition in the kernel so it triggers when you install a recovery. However there are ways to reset the flash counter so they can't tell you've modded your phone. I'm not a brand loyal person, I will go with whoever has the device I want. Which is why for now I'm using Samsung. The build quality while made of a plastic is solid, so solid in fact I spilled some water on my phone on accident and it didn't even seep under the battery cover, my evo was laying right next to it and it had water all inside the cover and enough to trigger the water marks. They have really improved their build quality since my intercept which left alot to be desired but it was also a very cheap budget smartphone to begin with. The epic touch and note are very well built pieces of technology they are solid, the joins are smooth where the pieces are attached or the battery cover meets the housing, and still extremely light weight. Even with my snap on hard shell on my et4g its so light I can't tell its in my pocket alot of times I always double check to make sure it didn't slip out.
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Thank you guys for your participation, I have 115 views on the blog entry just today!
I want to believe in HTC, that they will listen and lighten the lock down. We just need to speak up. This is a good start and yes hitting their pages and voicing our opinions as consumers will get their attention!
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Thank you guys for your participation, I have 115 views on the blog entry just today!
I want to believe in HTC, that they will listen and lighten the lock down. We just need to speak up. This is a good start and yes hitting their pages and voicing our opinions as consumers will get their attention!
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The bad part is them claiming they did it for security reasons, it will be hard to get them to unlock something they are claiming they are doing for security. If we can get them to unlock it, its gonna take a lot of convincing. A better option would be to ask for detailed instructions on how to flash firmware to the device with their setup. Obviously they have to flash firmware via OTAs so if they would outline the ROA for the OTA firmware install we could use that to flash our customs
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That is the second option that toastcfh laid out. Apparently that is what the G1 had, full documentation on how to flash firmware. This might be the ultimate option, seeing as they want things to be locked but give those who just want an unlock that ability and for those wanting to go further the opportunity and the tools to do so.
Hahahaha.
Just saw the same thing CM9 on One X
Just saw this in the Evo 3d forum. So yeah, that's encouraging. But, it doesn't have camera working, and I wouldn't be surprised if that remains the case, due to HTCs new image chip and closed code. Decisions decisions 
Granted, this doesn't negate the frustration with S-on.
Edit: see what I did there imheroldman ? Thanks buddy. :thumbup:
Evil, what is the tampered watermark you speak of?
Also, in the 3d thread where I saw CM9 link, I swear I saw they have S-off now! That's great.
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I really like their new "tampered" watermark
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....tampered watermark? Whuuuuu?
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scottspa74 said:
....tampered watermark? Whuuuuu?
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Instead of unlocked it now says ****TAMPERED**** at the top of an unlocked bootloader
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Has anybody ever tryed doing a petition that people can sign to HTC for a full unlock?
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UberJams said:
Has anybody ever tryed doing a petition that people can sign to HTC for a full unlock?
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I think this is a great idea as well. Let's speak up!
Hey there XDA Samsung Galaxy S4 Community, I come to you today to ask, If something should go wrong(mainly a user error) while flashing a new rom/kernel and my phone starts bootlooping like a fruit bowl, is there a fail safe for this phone? Like for the Samsung Infuse 4g no matter what you messed up on the phone all you had to do was put it into download mode and flash stock rom via Oden. It was pretty much unbrickable unless you totally noobed something xD So I was just wondering if this beautiful sex god of a phone had the same fail safe. Get back at me
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Hey there XDA Samsung Galaxy S4 Community, I come to you today to ask, If something should go wrong(mainly a user error) while flashing a new rom/kernel and my phone starts bootlooping like a fruit bowl, is there a fail safe for this phone? Like for the Samsung Infuse 4g no matter what you messed up on the phone all you had to do was put it into download mode and flash stock rom via Oden. It was pretty much unbrickable unless you totally noobed something xD So I was just wondering if this beautiful sex god of a phone had the same fail safe. Get back at me
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Same with the GS4, if you get to download mode, flash back to stock with odin, no issues here.
TheAxman said:
Same with the GS4, if you get to download mode, flash back to stock with odin, no issues here.
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Awesome. I've been wondering that, Now I feel well enough about it to finally flash a ROM on my new baby xD
MaliciousIntent69 said:
Awesome. I've been wondering that, Now I feel well enough about it to finally flash a ROM on my new baby xD
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Whatever rom you choose, just make sure you read, you will be ok, in fact, the hard brick is hard to do on this phone, but it could happen. Good luck
Some of us can testify that soft bricking your device when you start out definitely makes you start reading a lot more. LOL Unless you try flash a rom from a totally different device, you should be able to reboot into recovery and just wipe and restore. If I don't bootloop more than once a week I'm not flashing enough.
Phoneguy589 said:
Some of us can testify that soft bricking your device when you start out definitely makes you start reading a lot more. LOL Unless you try flash a rom from a totally different device, you should be able to reboot into recovery and just wipe and restore. If I don't bootloop more than once a week I'm not flashing enough.
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Haha i know exactly how that is xDD I used to be an insane flashaholic on my Infuse 4G mainly because the community for that phone was amazingly large at the time.
+1
Isn't having a bootloop not a part of the process, if your not bootlooping, your not FLASHING enuf! yeah baby.
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if your not bootlooping, your not FLASHING enuf! yeah baby.
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That's a reckless attitude to have toward your $700 device. And that's fine; I'm not here to tell you how to treat your phone. However, I really don't think you should post cavalier comments like that that might teach new users to do the same.
I've owned an HTC Inspire, a Galaxy S2, and a Galaxy S4. I've flashed many roms/kernels/recoveries/modems on all of them, and not once have I ever caused a boot loop. You just have to read, and never do anything before you know exactly what it is you're doing.
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That's a reckless attitude to have toward your $700 device. And that's fine; I'm not here to tell you how to treat your phone. However, I really don't think you should post cavalier comments like that that might teach new users to do the same.
I've owned an HTC Inspire, a Galaxy S2, and a Galaxy S4. I've flashed many roms/kernels/recoveries/modems on all of them, and not once have I ever caused a boot loop. You just have to read, and never do anything before you know exactly what it is you're doing.
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Same here. Never once bootlooped. There's a difference between constantly flashing and correctly flashing.
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plwalsh88 said:
Same here. Never once bootlooped. There's a difference between constantly flashing and correctly flashing.
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There's also a difference between flashing things that are untested / should work and things that have been fleshed out so to speak.
I flash a lot of untested stuff (mostly built by others, some by me) and have boot looped my phone at least 10 times since 5 May when u bought it.
Bootloops are not damaging as the software is juat not loading (hence the loop). As long as you dont mess with bootloaders you should b3 fine (and loki is not touching the bootloader just feeding it false info)
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That's a reckless attitude to have toward your $700 device. And that's fine; I'm not here to tell you how to treat your phone. However, I really don't think you should post cavalier comments like that that might teach new users to do the same.
I've owned an HTC Inspire, a Galaxy S2, and a Galaxy S4. I've flashed many roms/kernels/recoveries/modems on all of them, and not once have I ever caused a boot loop. You just have to read, and never do anything before you know exactly what it is you're doing.
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All it is, is a statement saying that you are going to get bootloops, guess you guys are perfect. but they happen, easily recoverable, so I think my statements holds true.
Moving along!
_Dennis_ said:
There's also a difference between flashing things that are untested / should work and things that have been fleshed out so to speak.
I flash a lot of untested stuff (mostly built by others, some by me) and have boot looped my phone at least 10 times since 5 May when u bought it.
Bootloops are not damaging as the software is juat not loading (hence the loop). As long as you dont mess with bootloaders you should b3 fine (and loki is not touching the bootloader just feeding it false info)
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Completely agree and knew that would be the response. But based on their posts it sounded more like ROM hopping than testing.
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