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Ok so we know how people are going to be very excited about all this jazz working and alll that, but i noticed quite a few threads of crap already how about we keep this section looking good and not post rubbish threads such as these
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735692
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735787
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735751
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735735
I no its new and exciting but surely we can try and keep this looking good and make it easy to find answers, 99% of th questions that have been asked have already been answered here somewhere all you have to do is look in the main sticky and you will get you're answer, cmon lets not get all crazy on here now.

crap thread

The build works perfectly, but, the wind noise and the echo on the phones that call me are driving me mad.
I've flashed my rom plenty of times>
energy
elegancia
miri v17
Currently using miris, radio 2.10.50.26, and a class 4 card. Still, everybody complains about the noise and echo. Does anybody has any suggestions for trying to fix this? I've replicated darkstone's setup but can't get rid of this two issues. When those two issues are fixed, android will be a full time replacement for winmo.

Seriously I give up on you lot

I'm getting robot voice, GSOD, Boot cycling, segfaults, broken htc sense
my setup is...
O wait ya, WRONG PLACE FOR THIS KINDA CRAP THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED UP INSTEAD OF POSTED
I agree with you. For topics that already have somewhere to get the information, mods should post a quick link, say search, give 'em a light slap on the wrists the first time, and lock the thread.

Well, the best way, would be to make another subforum, because, obviously, this entire Android forum is going to be HUGE! Soon it will be full of differents ROMs, FAQs, Random questions, and people's own threads about their experiences.
So I agree, if we don't do anything soon, this forum is going to end up in a huge mess.
Either some admins are appointed, to cleanup and simply REMOVE all the spam threads, or else there's a need for even more sub forums, one to ROM releases, one for questions and answers, and one for general discussion etc etc.
THats just my opinion.

Stoferr said:
Well, the best way, would be to make another subforum, because, obviously, this entire Android forum is going to be HUGE! Soon it will be full of differents ROMs, FAQs, Random questions, and people's own threads about their experiences.
So I agree, if we don't do anything soon, this forum is going to end up in a huge mess.
Either some admins are appointed, to cleanup and simply REMOVE all the spam threads, or else there's a need for even more sub forums, one to ROM releases, one for questions and answers, and one for general discussion etc etc.
THats just my opinion.
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For now, it would probably be best to just have mods clean it up better, maybe a dedicated mod or two. With only 2 cooks right now for HD2 android, and only 2-3 cooks with light Winmo+android roms, kinda don't need their own forum as of yet.
Really, it just needs to be cleaned up. And personally I think there are too few threads per page, but that's just me. I'm the kinda person who doesn't check page 2.

i have a feeling velayo's post is intentional

Rom sub-forum

Mods please read and consider!
I've noticed for awhile that once a particular rom reaches a certain age (sometimes only a few days) or popularity that the thread becomes hundreds or sometimes over one thousand pages long. I've been on xda since not too long after I bought my g1 which was pre ordered and received the day of initial release. So I know how frustrating it is to be searching for a question or answer but not have the time or patience to search through hundreds of pages for it. I feel like it would be extremely beneficial to everyone if once a rom reaches so many pages it is moved to it's own sub forum so that individual issues related to a rom can have their own thread.
I know there is a search function,i use it on a regular basis, but it is not always that easy. Not every body is a great search user, not always knowing the proper words to use to search for something and get useful results.
Also people are less likely to get an answer to their question if it's already hidden behind many pages of posts before someone with an answer comes around and they don't look far enough back to see the question.
I hope my thoughts made sense and some people out there agree with me.
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i agree something needs to be done because the rom threads get out of control. i think part of the problem is that a new thread isn't created for a new version so you have people posting about bugs in multiple versions in one thread and you have hundreds of pages to wade through for an answer when each version may only have 10-30 pages.

+1
I've always felt that new versions of ROMs need a fresh start so that any information posted is found without sifting through dozens and dozens of pages (AFTER using the search function)
Sub-forums would be even better so all that previous info doesnt go away.

thanks for that input, I forgot about that point as well... ya 3, 4, 5 or more different version of a rom all crammed into one thread...

ROM OP's / Chef's suggestion - please read for a friendlier XDA

Hello guys,
I know this thread is not directly about a ROM, but this is where this thread belongs because it directly involves the OPs of all these threads... so please read my suggestion.
There is an ever increasing amount of flaming going on here, mostly shooting down newbies for asking the same questions over and over again. I have a suggestion which would be very useful for avoiding the repetitive questions as well as the bad vibes and time wasted generated by so much flaming.
My suggestion is to have all OPs of a thread, make post #2 or post #3 available SPECIFICALLY as an up-to-date info aggregating post... so:
1/ in the FIRST post of the thread, mention is made and a link given to a post (perhaps post #2 or 3) which is dedicated to NEW FINDINGS and WORK AROUNDS.
2/ Someone volunteers to update this post, a beta tester or friend of the OP's or a fan of that specific ROM. the would start and edit/maintain this post #2 or #3 each time a new finding is made (delete helvetica on Darky 7.5, for example)
3/ instead of reading dozens of posts of wasted energy flaming people (it makes ZERO difference and ONLY serves to make the flamer look arrogant and unfriendly) we could all politely point newbies and confused old farters like myself to the first post and post #2 or #3 where they can get useful information without being expected to waste hours reading hundreds of useless comments or failing to find what you want by searching.
4/ Searching only happens when you ALREADY have a problem you need to solve. This idea of post #2 or #3 being used for important new info would tell people ALL they need to know, so if they read that, they would not need to search! IMO searching can take a long time, and XDA limits you to one search per 30 seconds, which DISCOURAGES searching!?
IMO it is not THAT much effort for one person to take on this job per thread...
What do you think?
tx
Mark.

I totally agree with you but you probably know that keeping a post up to date is hard as you can't constantly be on xda.
A solution could be allowing multiple users modifying one same post so updating won't rely on one person.
But I don't know if this is currently feasible.

If you check out Doc's thread, this is basically what he does already. Several posts chock full of information with the most revelant addons, fixes, changelogs, etc.

chambo622 said:
If you check out Doc's thread, this is basically what he does already. Several posts chock full of information with the most revelant addons, fixes, changelogs, etc.
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Hi
Yes, to some extent this is done on Doc's thread, though it contains (or has in the past when I was using doc's roms and reading those tips) some stuff which is outdated/irrelevant/incorrect an it is a bit disorganised.
I would love to see some kind of standardisation, so anyone trying out a new rom can read about the rom in the first post, and read the second post to see what the latest findings/fixes/issues are.
For sure, Doc's is a lot more informative than most...
Tx
Mark

Any specific information you'd like to see? If you have any questions, I'll try to answer them best I can.
I (at least try to) keep a detailed, up-to-date FAQ on my ROM's page. The problem is, not many people are asking questions.

I'm guilty of chastising folks sometimes too, especially the ones that come on here complaining that their phone is dead and how Samsung sucks because THEY didn't bother reading threads on how to properly flash, or not paying attention and flashing a captivate rom on a vibrant or a i9000m, whatever.
When I have a problem and need to ask a question, I've already spent time searching the net, searching xda, and reading related threads. I guess it is much easier just to hit "new post". How about a forum rule where it is mandatory to actually search, read the stickies, and the first few pages of a rom thread before posting? Or maybe a new thread should be created for every new ROM revision, with the thread title for older versions changed to include "OBSOLETE"?
Also, finding specific information in this forum is quite difficult sometimes because it is spread across hundreds of threads, sometimes buried a few hundred pages in. Another problem is that the i9000 is grouped in with the i9000m, and honestly, there should be a subforum specifically for the i9000m, where we can store all the QQ posts about SD failures and the like. Save the main forums for information we can actually use.
Just my 2 pesos... for what its worth.

This suggestion only covers part of the problem, the other problem is aspiring rom chefs was also shot down by fanboys of more established rom chefs. And as a result, not many would venture into rom cooking anymore.
While I have utmost respect for the chefs, what irks me most is fanboys calling others as thieves... Pathetic....
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g00ndu said:
While I have utmost respect for the chefs, what irks me most is fanboys calling others as thieves... Pathetic....
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Hi there,
I agree its definitely not constructive, people taking out their anger on others is uncool regardless of who-how-why.
shadoslayer said:
How about a forum rule where it is mandatory to actually search, read the stickies, and the first few pages of a rom thread before posting?
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most of this is already a requirement/request when you join the forum, but flamers get all self righteous and hammer anyone they deem has not done their homework.
searches are very fallible. if you search for a generally used word you come up with way too much, and search too narrow and you are likely to miss something. I was looking for "battery fix" because that is what the thread title mentioned, but in the actual thread it was called "battery drain" or something, so I did not find the "battery fix" and had to ask.
all these little important things that sit somewhere in a 1000 page thread need to be collected and put somewhere immediately after the first post...
IMO that would make the XDA experience more pleasant for more people!
Mark.

I agree its desperately needed .
Whats happening is that other forums mention the various roms .
Owners then download the rom without even the most basic knowledge of roms Odin flashing etc expect them to be just like factory roms . Get into trouble refuse to read page 1 ask for help often on subjects beyond their very limited knowledge .
jje

fredphoesh said:
Hi there,
I agree its definitely not constructive, people taking out their anger on others is uncool regardless of who-how-why.
most of this is already a requirement/request when you join the forum, but flamers get all self righteous and hammer anyone they deem has not done their homework.
searches are very fallible. if you search for a generally used word you come up with way too much, and search too narrow and you are likely to miss something. I was looking for "battery fix" because that is what the thread title mentioned, but in the actual thread it was called "battery drain" or something, so I did not find the "battery fix" and had to ask.
all these little important things that sit somewhere in a 1000 page thread need to be collected and put somewhere immediately after the first post...
IMO that would make the XDA experience more pleasant for more people!
Mark.
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I agree for an extent. There are a few exceptions however:
1) There have been some cases where people have knowingly presented assumptions as fact... REPEATEDLY! Even after it is questioned. So flaming in that case might not be nice, but flaming is the only way to get them to go away. One such example was when someone was telling everyone "Google Mytrack is buggy, not the GPS". He refused to provide adequate evidence. RAM's another area where everyone is a professional, but none of the professionals have proof..
2) There are also a growing number of users who are blatantly IGNORING strong warnings about some ROM's.... And many of these are users with no development skills, or who haven't even tested official roms first. Then when something goes wrong, they demand help from the community, and later they bug the poor developers, who already knew there were serious bugs.
3) And then, there are the people who don't try to solve their own problem first. Granted, some searches CAN be missed. However, we are often seeing questions which often obviously can't be answered by the community (such as "when will Samsung release Gingerbread for SGS"). Well, clearly in that case, it would be best to speak to Samsung (duh). Or "my sd card is dead, will AT&T replace it". Clearly they should speak to AT&T
4) Then there are the guys too lazy to bother with basic fault fixing skills "my phone jammed up.. What do i do?"
I do agree in general it would be nice if things were friendlier. However, in some cases, I'm not sure if we should embrace people who were mentioned above....
What we really need is a thread designed as a faq consolidating answers

Stop eta and noob questions!!

First of all I would like to say thank you to all the dev's which has been working day and night to make our Note a better device
I rarely post anything but I always follow all the threads in the dev's forum. And I find it really annoying when people can't wait for the dev's to submit a new version, they always ask ETA and never even bother if the dev has a life or no. They always think that dev's are a lifeless person who sits down in front of their workstations day and night working on the ROM. Can't u guys wait!!!
The dev's here are making those ROM's for free and they DO have a life.
First my favourite dev franco left, now eybee left. If u guys keep asking for ETA and also noob questions then I am not shock if one day every dev left and nobody is willing to develop a ROM for our device.
We have a Q&A SECTION in our forum you guys can ask your questions there and afterwards ask the MODs to close them up.
Please people stop asking for ETA and noob question's in the dev forum!!!! I beg you.
No offence to the Moderators, I know its hard for you to keep deleting those stupid post on each and every thread.
Sorry MODs for posting this thread, I'm pissed at all the noobs which are chasing away my favourite dev's
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naresh9876 said:
First of all I would like to say thank you to all the dev's which has been working day and night to make our Note a better device
I rarely post anything but I always follow all the threads in the dev's forum. And I find it really annoying when people can't wait for the dev's to submit a new version, they always ask ETA and never even bother if the dev has a life or no. They always think that dev's are a lifeless person who sits down in front of their workstations day and night working on the ROM. Can't u guys wait!!!
The dev's here are making those ROM's for free and they DO have a life.
First my favourite dev franco left, now eybee left. If u guys keep asking for ETA and also noob questions then I am not shock if one day every dev left and nobody is willing to develop a ROM for our device.
We have a Q&A SECTION in our forum you guys can ask your questions there and afterwards ask the MODs to close them up.
Please people stop asking for ETA and noob question's in the dev forum!!!! I beg you.
No offence to the Moderators, I know its hard for you to keep deleting those stupid post on each and every thread.
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a good example would probably be the dev that left yesterday or the day before and had their thread closed over pretty much this same thing.....
the sense of entitlement has gotten way out of hand.... and the lack of appreciation...

Looks more to me like XDA is a victim of it's own success, and of the success of smartphones in general over the last 2 years. This is no longer a pure dev-forum.
There are 10 devs for every 10.000 yelling noobs. Who would'nt start pulling out their hair ? And if you try to educate them, you get yelled at, for flaming them lol.
Maybe Xda should reconsider their setup, and allow dev-threads where the dev can add or revoke users the right to post in HIS thread.
that's my 5 cents on the subject.
You cannot fight 9999999999999 noobs anyway, so better ignore them, or leave.

Amen !!
It would be nice to see some new rules and systems put in place. Too many good Devs are leaving and its a real shame, Over the years I must have seen over 15 great (and I mean great) Devs leave cause of high demand and even higher level of stress, As a result of this.
If there was some system that would let the OP remove certain comments, Or block a user from posting for X amount of days due to demanding / flaming etc then this could make a big difference.
Obviously there are flaws in my method, As the OP could block everyone and remove every post, But im sure as a community we can all discuss a way of improving this situation, So that it works effectively and in favor of the Dev first, Then the user secondly.
Or maybe just increase the amounts of post required to post in the Dev section, Or completely remove the ability for everyone to post in the Dev section, The only posts allowed will be the OP of the thread, To add / remove download links / changelogs etc etc.
We can have a seperate thread for bug reporting AND BUG REPORTING ONLY !
There's got to be a way of making this better ?? C'mon guys share some opinions and hopefully make some changes.

...and you forgot mr g.levarne, he also suffers from the same disease, it is a very sad situation
i wanted to add a little of my philosophy here, but i will be totally useless, questions about ETA will continue to exist

azzledazzle said:
Amen !!
It would be nice to see some new rules and systems put in place. Too many good Devs are leaving and its a real shame, Over the years I must have seen over 15 great (and I mean great) Devs leave cause of high demand and even higher level of stress, As a result of this.
If there was some system that would let the OP remove certain comments, Or block a user from posting for X amount of days due to demanding / flaming etc then this could make a big difference.
Obviously there are flaws in my method, As the OP could block everyone and remove every post, But im sure as a community we can all discuss a way of improving this situation, So that it works effectively and in favor of the Dev first, Then the user secondly.
Or maybe just increase the amounts of post required to post in the Dev section, Or completely remove the ability for everyone to post in the Dev section, The only posts allowed will be the OP of the thread, To add / remove download links / changelogs etc etc.
We can have a seperate thread for bug reporting AND BUG REPORTING ONLY !
There's got to be a way of making this better ?? C'mon guys share some opinions and hopefully make some changes.
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Well said just head over to eybees rr threat winthin minutes of announceing jbv3 the maggots were out spamming like mad where's the upload can you include this....quite sickening especially when he'd updated his op stating how long upload would be and what would be included with no extras...I can see how this would certainly drive any sensible human to go nuts. .so unless somthing new is done I can only see decent devs disappearing from here which is a REAL SHAME... (
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Hi everybody, for a best forum, i think moderator must ban all children crying for ota or the same question without read previous post, and we dont lost in the future dev as eybee !
Sent from my sagem my x5 using android 8.1

Stop eta and noob questions and posting useless threads!!!

so true. people need to start respect others who giving things for free. not clinging behind their back like monkey.

Ban hammers should be given more liberally.
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IMO, the problem is the repeating questions that repeatedly answered, im also a new here but very often to post i just read the whole thread or used the search button.. my suggestion is to delete the unecessary post or repeatedly post by the thread owner
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IMO, the problem is the repeating questions that repeatedly answers, im also a new here but very often to post i just read the whole theard or used the search button.. my suggestion is to delete the unecessary post or repeatedly post by the thread owner
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I lurk here on XDA for a long time and agreed that the number of noobs wanting candy has been really overwhelming. I basically just come to see discussion and to wait for my favorite developer to update their ROM and if there is no such update I just sit tight and wait. Why can't everyone else do the same?
We need more common sense and a little revision for the noob video I think. If you can't think to consider yours and others position and feelings during a discussion just shut up and wait.
It's a great loss to the community if at the end every devs feels uncomfortable in this forum.

roda1971 said:
Stop eta and noob questions and posting useless threads!!!
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Just read your questions and posts.......
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And you forgot to mention the hoards of personal messages that developers get. Sure we can block messaging altogether, but that also means closing doors to a genuine discussion.
The moment a developer updates a build - 200 questions are whether one needs to wipe before flashing or not , 300 questions are whether an unreleased Android feature would work or not (e.g - 4.2), and the other 500 questions are variations of the prior two.

Deva should be able to wipe the garbage. Sometimes I've to go thru 40 pole telling me they are flashing....?,or their DL has taken a week to find what I need. Let them wipe it all.
Sent from the man hiding in your attic......

Maybe the solution is a read/post ratio lol. for every 2000 posts read, you may post 3

Its like with most things...
Once it gets to popular, it gets ruined, the average human being is a complete piece if garbage this is the natural order of things
Paranoid V. 5 | Hydracore 4.3 OC
GT-N7000

banning system should be more strict.
its the devs that need to be cared and protect not some noobs...
they are the one that spicy things up in xda..

banning should help
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Someone could give a ETA for this "Stop Eta"?
Public/open forums you can't expect anything, except that people will try to have the easiest sollution for them, because they cba , can't, don't want, don't know, lazy, no time, too (use) search.
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Self Entitlement is KILLING our Devs...

I'm going to use @ataXAt 's last post. I hope it's okay with him. In my opinion out of every dev that has packed up,he has said why he is done best.
Xda has changed, now there is more complaining than I have ever seen, I spend MANY hours to try and bring some roms to the users here, so people can at least have a choice of different roms to run. I DO NOT HAVE TO DO THIS! People continuously send me emails and PM saying that I need to do more to help them get their rom running, I have tried to help, but these people want a person to hold their hand and walk them thru every damn step. These people that complain have NO reason to be flashing when they do not know even the basics of flashing, I am tired, I am seeing this in many threads. I need to take a break from this, and spend time with my wife. I will still frequent the site, but I will no longer build for ungrateful people. I am truly sorry that some have to suffer for others. Thank you.
Rodney
AxAtAx
OK,I just spent a few hours getting a LP based rom(cm12) to run properly on my 4. Several different issues but with a little out of the box thinking, I worked to correct every one of them,without crying in the forums. What's my point? We've lost another top Dev today because noobtubes are in threads asking the dumbest questions without using common sense or critical thinking. You know who you are and you guys need to quit pming and flooding forums with an issue that has most likely been resolved. Or it is an issue that you created for yourself because you're simply illiterate or some silly a** question like "Hey, can someone tell me what model I have,what software I am I on,yadda yadda yadda. Do you realize things like that are things you should know BEFORE you brick your phone It's called a search button, use it, I'm tired of being a friendly fire casualty to stupidity! I hope this post makes you sick. Hell,I hope you see this post and it shames the hell out of you. It probably won't but a man can have a dream.
I flashed different ways until I worked out the bugs and errors. Every phone is going to accept the rom differently. Some people get NO issues at all,they are the lucky ones.
Things I had to do: Flashing the ROM but not the gapps until the first boot was done because I had apps crashing at start up like the playstore and setup wizard, it stopped all the crashing. I couldn't get SuperSU to update the binary system so I searched within the thread for SuperSU not updating binary on LP,I got nothing in the thread but when I took that search to Google guess what happened,you got it,BOOM, someone out there had the same issue and had a fix. Getting Xposed to work,search and ye shall find. Getting Titanium Backup was not working and once again I ran a search in the thread and yup,you guessed it,there the fix was. Hopefully you see the theme that's trending here and if you don't,then you should NOT be flashing. Doing things like this WILL make a difference. You just have to think!! You will learn a thing or two!! Don't get it twisted because trust me,most of us have been there asking the dumb questions but we got the hint when we were told to search. LEAVE the devs pm box alone! You are the reason why threads are being closed. The devs do what they do for free. They take time away from their personal life to bring us brilliance. So PLEASE...PLEASE stop and do your part. The devs have already did theirs.
UnknownHomelessDrunk (not a dev,just a person that loves what devs do)

I couldn't agree more, read, educate yourself and contribute to the community or get out.

I also agree i regret helping to bring cm to our device....
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I also agree i regret helping to bring cm to our device....
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Self entitlement equals self lazines... ive been here 9 yrs a pitty
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Not posting on xda anymore goodbye

I've said it before and i'll keep saying it, I by no means am not an expert at this hobby, but it is something I thoroughly enjoy doing in my freetime. I still occasionally ask what might be considered a "Dumb" question but not before I SEARCH - I learned this like most people with common sense, If you're in a forum asking questions you'd better darn well have searched at least a little bit before asking or you will be dealt with in a "Noob" manner. It can be quite humiliating asking a question only to find out that the answer was a few post's or pages back, believe me, It happened to me a few times when I first started reading the threads here at XDA back in late 2007 and I learned that it's more rewarding and beneficial for me to search and do my own problem solving before asking questions. You see, I'm a firm believer that people in general are more apt to help someone that shows they are trying to learn and educate themselves - We all may need a nudge in the right direction from time to time - I bet even the most skilled devs get stumped occasionally but I also bet it does not slow them down. What does slow most folks down is hand feeding answers or whatever they may require to people that are lazy. Thanks for putting up with my 2 cents worth - I love this place and it's the first place I visit in the morning and the last place I visit in the evening. To ALL of the devs, dev teams, moderators and anyone else behind the scenes here at XDA that might read this - All I can say to you is Thank You very much for doing what you enjoy doing, It's you people that has kept me coming here almost daily for the past 8 years to learn -
tat - \m/ \m/

I am sure Ax appreciates the sentiment, but couldn't this just be added onto this thread?
How many threads do we need about whining about the whiners?
Can't we put this same energy into constructively guiding the new members to the proper methods of searching?
Yelling at them to "Search n00b! Was answered 30 times!" does nothing to educate...but to give them a link to the answer and say "I just used Search this thread in a browser and lots of answers came up" may, just may stop 1 out of 5 from repeating the error....baby steps guys!