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Hi!
I was just wondering if anyone would like to point me and others in the direction of some other useful threads to check out that relate to our Hero. (Not Superman, he's still GSM only)
For example, I've wondered if any subforums other than Hero CDMA in the HTC Hero Forums here on XDA have any useful info or downloads that are relevant. Also, I've been wondering the same thing about the general Android forums here on XDA.
I keep a CDMA Hero bookmark button on top of Firefox, but does anyone have any good suggestions of other sites or subforums/threads that I can add along with it and check about as much as I check Facebook, Gmail and Plentyoffish? Hahaha
The thread list is up at the top.. Under search..
Have fun with it..
http://geekfor.me/
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-hero/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=519
these are my bookmarks on this install, i have a ton more on my other computer but can't remember them now, these are the ones i've used this week
There is plenty to read and learn both in the G2 section, and in the wider general Android forum. I highly recommend checking it out.
Haha, yeah, thanks. I was about to say thanks, ****, but I saw you're joking so it's cool.
Before anyone tries to use the old "google it" line on me, let me say, yeah - I've googled it before. I know several good sites to check out other than XDA, like android central and so on.
I'm just wondering what other people check religiously like I check this subforum.
I'm also mainly curious to know if there's even any point reading through stuff on in the GSM Hero subforums. It's so lame that we only get one lousy little subforum! There's bound to be a wealth of knowledge, downloads, etc. in the GSM subforums, but I just don't want to waste my time or learn harmful/useless things.
By the way, if I could soapbox for a minute (and this has nothing to do with the post above this one, lol), I've noticed a lot of rudeness in the CDMA Hero posts, and it's a shame.
Of course it gets annoying to see people begging for help with common issues that have been addressed a hundred times. No one denies that, but it's just something that will always be there. Unless there is a quiz on the basics of flashing ROMs and using a device before one can make posts on here, it's always going to happen. Getting annoyed with this is understandable.
However, I've noticed other types of threads posted, which while a bit annoying because we've seen the same thing over and over, really don't deserve the rudeness that they get. Who cares if there are 50 threads on here where people ask what other people prefer to use as a daily ROM, or what their home screen looks like? Does anyone lose any money or time over this? Is there a thread limit here? No. This is a community of people who have the same device and who all want to get the best out of their devices. If a thread is pointless, it will be buried quickly when no one posts in it, and the more popular threads will remain on the first page. A pointless thread will continue to stay on the first page though, when someone takes the time to make a rude post!
Anyway, sorry to rant on and on about it, but it would really be great to see the CDMA Hero community work together a little better and be a little less anal. This is probably the number one site that people with our phone check to learn more and update and generally get more out of the Hero experience. Instead of scaring people away from making new threads and posts to ask people what they like and why they like it, we should really try to encourage this. The more we all come together and explore things together (regardless of how repetitive and in some opinions possibly even trivial some of these things may be), the more we grow as a whole, and I am sure that this kind of atmosphere will encourage more people to make more and more interesting contributions.
The beauty of Android and of XDA Developers Forums is that they were both created with the goal of people coming together and developing, creating, tweaking, designing, and discussing. Before the Hero, I was permanently glued to a Dell Axim x51v, and between these forums and HTCGeeks, and a friendly and open community of users and developers, we've taken the device FAR beyond anything that anyone could have dreamed it could get to when it was made, what, 5 years ago?
thedudejdog said:
http://geekfor.me/
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-hero/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=519
these are my bookmarks on this install, i have a ton more on my other computer but can't remember them now, these are the ones i've used this week
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Thanks a lot, I'm going to add these into a "Hero" bookmarks folder!
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There is plenty to read and learn both in the G2 section, and in the wider general Android forum. I highly recommend checking it out.
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Thanks for the info!
GSM Hero Themes/Apps Thread
Curious - is this thread useful at all to us, or will any themes and apps be useless since we're CDMA?
I already know (I think) that GSM themes won't work because they're probably designed for GSM ROMs, so all kinds of things won't be compatible. (Like trying to use a 1.5 theme on a 2.1 ROM)
Are things like widgets and clocks ROM and/or device specific? I'm on a widget hunt.
I'm new to using Helix and I'd love to find some widgets that compare to the awesome Sense widgets, particularly Sense's beautiful Messaging, Mail, Music, and Friendstream widgets.
raynda said:
However, I've noticed other types of threads posted, which while a bit annoying because we've seen the same thing over and over, really don't deserve the rudeness that they get. Who cares if there are 50 threads on here where people ask what other people prefer to use as a daily ROM, or what their home screen looks like? Does anyone lose any money or time over this? Is there a thread limit here? No. This is a community of people who have the same device and who all want to get the best out of their devices. If a thread is pointless, it will be buried quickly when no one posts in it, and the more popular threads will remain on the first page. A pointless thread will continue to stay on the first page though, when someone takes the time to make a rude post!
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It's not that we care that there is a hundred threads that say the same thing, its that if there are 100 threads of the same topic, it in effect, makes our forum usage a terror, because navigation is almost doomed from the beginning in that situation..
And it is not going to be something that is always there, because with mods actually modding these threads on other forums that I frequent daily, *they are virtually non-existant...
For the "noob" users, they cannot find these answers efficiently because the forum is blasted with the same thing over and over... With different answers in each thread..
The only way to make the "noob's" life easier, is to format the forum in a efficient and knowledge ready way...
Which by letting noob's overrun your forum, is not possible... We are hateful because you are feeding an endless chain of questions, when it could be handled in a much more effective way, if it wasn't for people flaming people who are actually looking out for the forum....
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By the way, if I could soapbox for a minute (and this has nothing to do with the post above this one, lol), I've noticed a lot of rudeness in the CDMA Hero posts, and it's a shame.
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Yeah, it's kinda bad here... It's like that on pretty much any technical forum, but things are really over the top on this one.
It's to the point now that when I do have a question I feel like I need to devote one short paragraph to asking the question, then tack on 5 more long paragraphs explaining that I already DID search, came up empty handed, searched again, explain which keywords I searched on, etc....
Surely there's a happy medium that can be found...
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We are hateful because you are feeding an endless chain of questions, when it could be handled in a much more effective way, if it wasn't for people flaming people who are actually looking out for the forum....
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Hey, I'm not trying to come off defensive to you in this reply because I appreciate your posts on here, but are you saying that I personally am feeding an endless chain of questions?
Also, maybe I'm wrong, but I think that the problem may be in people looking out for the forum too much, when the point of this whole XDA Developers Forum thing should be to look out for the fellow user. Like I said though, I may be wrong.
And I don't mean that it's perfectly cool to have hundreds of the same thread in here, I agree that is useless clutter. I just think that some threads that get posted do have potential for the good of the community, but they get squashed quickly by posters with bad attitudes, and then the OP in that thread and others who have the same thoughts and questions become too embarrassed or insulted/offended to post again. When that happens, someone who may have eventually provided something amazing to the community will either never get to that point, or will get there and just won't post it here because of the bad experience.
I'm sure that there are all kinds of amazing things that people have tweaked, developed, designed, and created, but they're never going to be publicly released for one reason or another. Let's not let the reason be that they were treated like they were stupid when they were finding their way on these forums.
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Yeah, it's kinda bad here... It's like that on pretty much any technical forum, but things are really over the top on this one.
It's to the point now that when I do have a question I feel like I need to devote one short paragraph to asking the question, then tack on 5 more long paragraphs explaining that I already DID search, came up empty handed, searched again, explain which keywords I searched on, etc....
Surely there's a happy medium that can be found...
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. People will get to the point that they just won't post anything when they have an idea or a question because there's no happy medium. And the worse it gets, the less progress we make as a whole.
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Hey, I'm not trying to come off defensive to you in this reply because I appreciate your posts on here, but are you saying that I personally am feeding an endless chain of questions?
Also, maybe I'm wrong, but I think that the problem may be in people looking out for the forum too much, when the point of this whole XDA Developers Forum thing should be to look out for the fellow user. Like I said though, I may be wrong.
And I don't mean that it's perfectly cool to have hundreds of the same thread in here, I agree that is useless clutter. I just think that some threads that get posted do have potential for the good of the community, but they get squashed quickly by posters with bad attitudes, and then the OP in that thread and others who have the same thoughts and questions become too embarrassed or insulted/offended to post again. When that happens, someone who may have eventually provided something amazing to the community will either never get to that point, or will get there and just won't post it here because of the bad experience.
I'm sure that there are all kinds of amazing things that people have tweaked, developed, designed, and created, but they're never going to be publicly released for one reason or another. Let's not let the reason be that they were treated like they were stupid when they were finding their way on these forums.
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No not you specifically. Sorry that was an analogous "you".. And I totally agree.. But 95% of the ones get shot down immediately, deserve it, even though you might not think so, from the people with answers, you will know almost immediately if it merits further investigation. Wishful-thinking and impossible sometimes walk a very narrow line. Developers and end-users have entirely different mindsets.. That's never going to change.. But the end-users should have a more thorough understanding of what it is we do for you and *developers should be more compassionate "for the most part (there are alot of caring devs)..
Where this sub-forum was destroyed, was giving it sub-forum status and not its own separate forum, like every other HTC device.. Then, we would get a development sub-forum, themes forum, etc. The development is different than the GSM Hero, so why doesn't it deserve its own?
You will see, that with honest concerns and problems, I will go to the end of the world for you...
But, if you want something from me, (effort to help you) you must at least show some sort of effort to solve the issue, besides "NEW TOPIC< IS MY PHONE BRICKED?"
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You will see, that with honest concerns and problems, I will go to the end of the world for you...
But, if you want something from me, (effort to help you) you must at least show some sort of effort to solve the issue, besides "NEW TOPIC< IS MY PHONE BRICKED?"
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I can definitely see your point.
But this is where the happy medium needs to be found. I know I'm the exception rather than the rule on this point, but by the time I post asking for help, it's safe to say I've spent at least one day each both trying to figure out an answer on my own (and I'm fairly capable), and searching this forum, other forums, and google to see if anyone else has had and solved the same problem.
That's effort that isn't seen, but it's extremely frustrating to feel obligated to explain it all in detail in exchange for the privilege of asking a question.
Now, don't take this post the wrong way. There's absolutely nothing wrong with expecting people to do a little digging on their own before they come crying for help.
I just think this forum (as a whole, not you specifically) has gone a bit over the top with how much "proof" of that digging is required before someone can feel comfortable asking their question.
(And I'm not really even complaining, just offering my observations on a topic that was already brought up for discussion....)
I get very sarcastic... But only because I think sarcasm is funny...
And you really don't have to explain it yourself *in every post.. Because most of us with a thorough background, can tell how much effort you put in, just by your question... (edit* Yourself is again analogous, not you)
For Example, the 2.1 thread this morning...
I opened it up, thinking to myself "Not again"...
But when I read and see that it was actually about A2DP, mindset about the thread changes, and I go into help mode... That invoked thought and development just from that post..
Now if I had opened it up, and it was a brand new "Can I change back to a rooted rom after the OTA update" question... I would have went into sarcasm mode... And I don't want to help that guy be lazy.. Why should we give him the benefit of spouting off verbatim what has been answered 1000 times before, just because he can't take the 20 mins to peruse over a couple threads??
I am all about the education of every single member of this forum, into all of the ways of Android... But its like what my papaw used to tell me, "You get what you put in."
And to ray...
Download GMOB chat, from the market...
Go to the rooted users chat, and there is usually alot of good info there, you just have to sort of wade through some of it, since you only get to see like the 50 most recent posts.. So it takes a little more effort to find anything... Also the apps room is pretty cool...
I have found technorati.com is getting alot better...
androidfreeware.com is good for apps.
OK, now to take the completely opposite side....
I was just reading another topic and in 5 minutes I saw 3 different questions posted that had been answered ON THAT SAME PAGE!!!
The proper profanity has not yet been invented to describe people like that.
See subliminal...
It's not that I don't wanna see those questions asked, I just want people to understand the nature of a forum, and alot* here do not...
If people read, before they start looking for answers, we would be alot better..
The issue is, that all of these people look to have a very limited understanding of Android, and just want a phone to use.. And this is not the forum for those.. Android-central, sprintusers.com, etc are more appropriate..
This forum is for development, not for chatting about the evo, or why your 1.5 is better than 2.1.. or how android is the iphone killer..
This forum is to bring ideas to our platform, and to build upon them... And to release mods and hacks..
Not for people to rant about how sprint sucks, and I want a nexus one..
Or to rant about how developers are stealing our donations....
It is to make our phone better, and with people feeding this nonsense, we are hindering the forum from where it should be...
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Not for people to rant about how sprint sucks, and I want a nexus one..
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But what if Sprint sucks, the Nexus One is a POS...
AND....
Why can't I get a Nexus One on Sprint?
(I really do understand both sides of the issue. I just kinda agree that some on this forum are a bit quick on the draw with the "Use the search you ****in' noob!" gun....)
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And to ray...
Download GMOB chat, from the market...
Go to the rooted users chat, and there is usually alot of good info there, you just have to sort of wade through some of it, since you only get to see like the 50 most recent posts.. So it takes a little more effort to find anything... Also the apps room is pretty cool...
I have found technorati.com is getting alot better...
androidfreeware.com is good for apps.
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Hey thanks, I'll check that out! By the way, after thinking about it today and catching up on this thread's replies, I think we're thinking on the same page.
It would be handy, I think, if we could get some extremely well written and dummy-proof How-To's stickied for the main page. I know there is already a sticky wicky for guides, but I remember still being a bit lost even having read them when I was new to the Hero. I wrote some extremely detailed step by step how-to's for the x51v over at htcgeeks, and though it might be my own vanity speaking, I think that it slowed down the constant repetitive questions. I'd volunteer to help out with this if we could get some Mod help to reorganize the stickies. I think we should have individual ones for...
- How To Setup an SD Card for A2SD
- How To Install Recovery and How To Use It (Nandroids, what they are, wipes, which ones to use for what, Fix UID's explanation, etc.)
- How To Flash a Custom ROM
- How To Flash a Custom Theme
- Troubleshooting PC Sync Issues
- How To Setup and Use ADB Shell with a list of ADB functions
I know we have this stuff now, but I remember it took a while to find all the info I needed to learn all these things when I was new to the Hero, and the current Guides sticky wasn't as helpful as it could have been. And I'm a pretty resourceful and intelligent guy who can search, read, and follow instructions! (Or at least I like to think so, lol)
Oh, and to make a preventative strike against hundreds of future bug reports on new ROMs, giant bold text on every page of every thread that says "WIPE DATA, DALVIK CACHE, AND SD EXT BEFORE FLASHING A DIFFERENT ROM!!!
Ok so we know how people are going to be very excited about all this jazz working and alll that, but i noticed quite a few threads of crap already how about we keep this section looking good and not post rubbish threads such as these
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735692
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735787
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735751
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735735
I no its new and exciting but surely we can try and keep this looking good and make it easy to find answers, 99% of th questions that have been asked have already been answered here somewhere all you have to do is look in the main sticky and you will get you're answer, cmon lets not get all crazy on here now.
crap thread
The build works perfectly, but, the wind noise and the echo on the phones that call me are driving me mad.
I've flashed my rom plenty of times>
energy
elegancia
miri v17
Currently using miris, radio 2.10.50.26, and a class 4 card. Still, everybody complains about the noise and echo. Does anybody has any suggestions for trying to fix this? I've replicated darkstone's setup but can't get rid of this two issues. When those two issues are fixed, android will be a full time replacement for winmo.
Seriously I give up on you lot
I'm getting robot voice, GSOD, Boot cycling, segfaults, broken htc sense
my setup is...
O wait ya, WRONG PLACE FOR THIS KINDA CRAP THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED UP INSTEAD OF POSTED
I agree with you. For topics that already have somewhere to get the information, mods should post a quick link, say search, give 'em a light slap on the wrists the first time, and lock the thread.
Well, the best way, would be to make another subforum, because, obviously, this entire Android forum is going to be HUGE! Soon it will be full of differents ROMs, FAQs, Random questions, and people's own threads about their experiences.
So I agree, if we don't do anything soon, this forum is going to end up in a huge mess.
Either some admins are appointed, to cleanup and simply REMOVE all the spam threads, or else there's a need for even more sub forums, one to ROM releases, one for questions and answers, and one for general discussion etc etc.
THats just my opinion.
Stoferr said:
Well, the best way, would be to make another subforum, because, obviously, this entire Android forum is going to be HUGE! Soon it will be full of differents ROMs, FAQs, Random questions, and people's own threads about their experiences.
So I agree, if we don't do anything soon, this forum is going to end up in a huge mess.
Either some admins are appointed, to cleanup and simply REMOVE all the spam threads, or else there's a need for even more sub forums, one to ROM releases, one for questions and answers, and one for general discussion etc etc.
THats just my opinion.
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For now, it would probably be best to just have mods clean it up better, maybe a dedicated mod or two. With only 2 cooks right now for HD2 android, and only 2-3 cooks with light Winmo+android roms, kinda don't need their own forum as of yet.
Really, it just needs to be cleaned up. And personally I think there are too few threads per page, but that's just me. I'm the kinda person who doesn't check page 2.
i have a feeling velayo's post is intentional
Please start a new thread when you put out a new version of your rom.
By the time the second version comes out for the really good roms it's impossible to follow all the issues as there can be upwards of 1000 posts in the thread. Starting at the back doesn't help because of all the "how's your battery life?" posts. Then again, maybe that's the problem.
Anyway, I REALLY appreciate the work you guys do on these roms and kernels. I just wish it were easier to follow the flow of development.
Thanks for listening.
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+1 .... i am with you !!!
+1 . Yeah it so annoying to go through thousands of old threads...
Moved to general
Moved? Do the people I'm talking to ever look in "general?"
I support this all the way people always tell everyone to use search but you barely ever get what your looking for..
michaelh99 said:
Please start a new thread when you put out a new version of your rom.
By the time the second version comes out for the really good roms it's impossible to follow all the issues as there can be upwards of 1000 posts in the thread. Starting at the back doesn't help because of all the "how's your battery life?" posts. Then again, maybe that's the problem.
Anyway, I REALLY appreciate the work you guys do on these roms and kernels. I just wish it were easier to follow the flow of development.
Thanks for listening.
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Great suggestion. totally agree.
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Well it doesn't have anything to do with developing..
Although you do make a pretty good point, it is a LOT easier just to update the thread with a new download link & change log.
It would also cut down on a lot of clutter in that section.
If you are running an older version of what that dev posted, you shouldn't post bugs unless it didn't say it was fixed in the newest version of what they posted.
Master™ said:
Well it doesn't have anything to do with developing..
Although you do make a pretty good point, it is a LOT easier just to update the thread with a new download link & change log.
It would also cut down on a lot of clutter in that section.
If you are running an older version of what that dev posted, you shouldn't post bugs unless it didn't say it was fixed in the newest version of what they posted.
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Master, your thread specifically is almost impossible to follow because of the almost 10,000 posts in it.
The easy fix to your update example above:
1) go to post for last release
2) hit edit
3) Ctrl-A to select all and Ctrl-C to copy
4) Hit Cancel
5) Open new thread and Ctrl-V to paste
6) edit pasted text and hit preview
7) review the post and make corrections as needed
8) hit submit and wait for the flood
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Master, your thread specifically is almost impossible to follow because of the almost 10,000 posts in it.
The easy fix to your update example above:
1) go to post for last release
2) hit edit
3) Ctrl-A to select all and Ctrl-C to copy
4) Hit Cancel
5) Open new thread and Ctrl-V to paste
6) edit pasted text and hit preview
7) review the post and make corrections as needed
8) hit submit and wait for the flood
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9. Delete the old thread.
I think it's more of a "Let's see whose thread can get the mot posts" type of thing. Because it actually makes little to no sense to update a thread from months ago that is full of non-existent issues and then ask people to search through that thread as if the answer is supposed to jump out at them. Luckily I have given up on trying to read threads.
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9. Delete the old thread.
I think it's more of a "Let's see whose thread can get the mot posts" type of thing. Because it actually makes little to no sense to update a thread from months ago that is full of non-existent issues and then ask people to search through that thread as if the answer is supposed to jump out at them. Luckily I have given up on trying to read threads.
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Well first, you cannot delete your own threads nor close them.
There is a search button in the threads for a reason also..
I guess it could be a thing to get people into saying what version they are on when they report a bug/ask a question..
Just a thought
I have to say I kinda agree with the OP, although obviously from your point of view its just making work.
I run your Axura 2.1 ROM Master, and was feeling a little lag from it here and there. I was looking for one piece of information... "can I use OCLF with this ROM"... had bad experiences with Voodoo in the past.
Man, it was no mean feat to find this out. Eventually, I put the new Voodoo kernel on my phone and its running flawlessly (utterly love this ROM by the way man. Seriously. Better than anything out there by a royal mile), but it was a hugely frustrating process to figure out whether I had any other options. To get a definitive answer. Just to find something simple.
I've often asked people direct questions in PM, and got no response, or at least an unhelpful one. As a technical guy, but not a developer, any questions I have are usually pretty specific, and not newbie in nature, and finding the answer is a massive problem. One of the biggest hurdles to this is 1000+ post threads.
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Well first, you cannot delete your own threads nor close them.
There is a search button in the threads for a reason also..
I guess it could be a thing to get people into saying what version they are on when they report a bug/ask a question..
Just a thought
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Personally I think the old threads should remain anyhow. They help to keep the versions separate, not everyone upgrades right away. People should post in the correct thread for their version, but right not this is not possible.
Also, the old, dead thread clean up is not the responsibility of the OP, but of the forum admin. I have owned and run many forums. I have used ikonboard, vBulletin, Invision Power Board, MyBB, Phorum, phpBB, and my favorite Simple Machines Forum. All of them have in the administrative back end the option to cleanup old dead threads with no posts with a set time frame.
Problem is rom gets updated, 300 posts of "OMG Thank You, flashing soon!!!!"
They don't care.. The only thing they care about is getting donations. Higher post conts = more attention = more donations. In summary: they do not care
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They don't care.. The only thing they care about is getting donations. Higher post conts = more attention = more donations. In summary: they do not care
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Sorry, gotta call BS on this one. Based on recent events I can guess that you are speaking at least generally if not specifically to Master, and he already addressed (IN THIS VERY THREAD) his thoughts both for and against. In fact so far he has been the ONLY developer to come forward and state he would be willing to do this.
Your statement does not contribute in any way to the discussion at hand, and I personally to not appreciate anyone that posts in running threads just to flamebait and be defamatory. Please check yourself.
I think an easier and better solution exists.
The problem for us the users is that we cannot find which posts relate to which rom version, correct?
The problem for developers if we choose to open a new thread for every release is to follow all 20 threads.
An easy solution would be to have one thread for the rom as it is now, BUT with every update of the rom (and the first page) the developer can add another post with update details at the end of his thread (basically a simple post reply) and put a link to it on the first page in the change log.
This way people viewing the change log will have links to the parts of the thread that discuss that update, while developers won't have 20 threads to maintain.
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Whether you are following 20 threads or the same number of posts in 1 thread the work is the same because you have to reply either way. Also, all versions in 1 thread plus people still using old versions leads to confusion, and confusion equals having to clarify which ultimately means more posts. If you subscribe to the threads and use proper subjects for the thread you should get an e-mail that not only tells you there was a reply, but to which thread version and you can prioritize your replies, ie. Current version I will answer that now, 3 versions back and he can wait until I am done with what I am working on or else he can upgrade. Also since the older threads will get posted to less frequently the chance of multiple posts after the e-mail is less, so if the question is something that was fixed in a newer version you can decide it is not even worth your time to reply. As a developer you can not do that now because there may be many replies after the one that triggered your subscription e-mail that you will not see until you visit the forum.
Trust me, I have run a BUNCH of forums, and 1 thread per version is a better idea for many reasons you have not even thought of yet. If you fully think it out you will realize that it is actually easier to keep track of the 2 or 3 most resent threads people actually pay attention to then try to track the last 2 or 3 versions in 1 thread.
I've run a few big forums too so I do know what im talking about.
With 95% of users upgrade to a newer version of the rom there would be no need to keep the threads for the old roms because no one will write there. But you can't delete them. So instead of having 20 threads with 20 roms, we will have 400 threads for 20 versions of those 20 roms if we follow your idea
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Hello guys,
I know this thread is not directly about a ROM, but this is where this thread belongs because it directly involves the OPs of all these threads... so please read my suggestion.
There is an ever increasing amount of flaming going on here, mostly shooting down newbies for asking the same questions over and over again. I have a suggestion which would be very useful for avoiding the repetitive questions as well as the bad vibes and time wasted generated by so much flaming.
My suggestion is to have all OPs of a thread, make post #2 or post #3 available SPECIFICALLY as an up-to-date info aggregating post... so:
1/ in the FIRST post of the thread, mention is made and a link given to a post (perhaps post #2 or 3) which is dedicated to NEW FINDINGS and WORK AROUNDS.
2/ Someone volunteers to update this post, a beta tester or friend of the OP's or a fan of that specific ROM. the would start and edit/maintain this post #2 or #3 each time a new finding is made (delete helvetica on Darky 7.5, for example)
3/ instead of reading dozens of posts of wasted energy flaming people (it makes ZERO difference and ONLY serves to make the flamer look arrogant and unfriendly) we could all politely point newbies and confused old farters like myself to the first post and post #2 or #3 where they can get useful information without being expected to waste hours reading hundreds of useless comments or failing to find what you want by searching.
4/ Searching only happens when you ALREADY have a problem you need to solve. This idea of post #2 or #3 being used for important new info would tell people ALL they need to know, so if they read that, they would not need to search! IMO searching can take a long time, and XDA limits you to one search per 30 seconds, which DISCOURAGES searching!?
IMO it is not THAT much effort for one person to take on this job per thread...
What do you think?
tx
Mark.
I totally agree with you but you probably know that keeping a post up to date is hard as you can't constantly be on xda.
A solution could be allowing multiple users modifying one same post so updating won't rely on one person.
But I don't know if this is currently feasible.
If you check out Doc's thread, this is basically what he does already. Several posts chock full of information with the most revelant addons, fixes, changelogs, etc.
chambo622 said:
If you check out Doc's thread, this is basically what he does already. Several posts chock full of information with the most revelant addons, fixes, changelogs, etc.
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Hi
Yes, to some extent this is done on Doc's thread, though it contains (or has in the past when I was using doc's roms and reading those tips) some stuff which is outdated/irrelevant/incorrect an it is a bit disorganised.
I would love to see some kind of standardisation, so anyone trying out a new rom can read about the rom in the first post, and read the second post to see what the latest findings/fixes/issues are.
For sure, Doc's is a lot more informative than most...
Tx
Mark
Any specific information you'd like to see? If you have any questions, I'll try to answer them best I can.
I (at least try to) keep a detailed, up-to-date FAQ on my ROM's page. The problem is, not many people are asking questions.
I'm guilty of chastising folks sometimes too, especially the ones that come on here complaining that their phone is dead and how Samsung sucks because THEY didn't bother reading threads on how to properly flash, or not paying attention and flashing a captivate rom on a vibrant or a i9000m, whatever.
When I have a problem and need to ask a question, I've already spent time searching the net, searching xda, and reading related threads. I guess it is much easier just to hit "new post". How about a forum rule where it is mandatory to actually search, read the stickies, and the first few pages of a rom thread before posting? Or maybe a new thread should be created for every new ROM revision, with the thread title for older versions changed to include "OBSOLETE"?
Also, finding specific information in this forum is quite difficult sometimes because it is spread across hundreds of threads, sometimes buried a few hundred pages in. Another problem is that the i9000 is grouped in with the i9000m, and honestly, there should be a subforum specifically for the i9000m, where we can store all the QQ posts about SD failures and the like. Save the main forums for information we can actually use.
Just my 2 pesos... for what its worth.
This suggestion only covers part of the problem, the other problem is aspiring rom chefs was also shot down by fanboys of more established rom chefs. And as a result, not many would venture into rom cooking anymore.
While I have utmost respect for the chefs, what irks me most is fanboys calling others as thieves... Pathetic....
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g00ndu said:
While I have utmost respect for the chefs, what irks me most is fanboys calling others as thieves... Pathetic....
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Hi there,
I agree its definitely not constructive, people taking out their anger on others is uncool regardless of who-how-why.
shadoslayer said:
How about a forum rule where it is mandatory to actually search, read the stickies, and the first few pages of a rom thread before posting?
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most of this is already a requirement/request when you join the forum, but flamers get all self righteous and hammer anyone they deem has not done their homework.
searches are very fallible. if you search for a generally used word you come up with way too much, and search too narrow and you are likely to miss something. I was looking for "battery fix" because that is what the thread title mentioned, but in the actual thread it was called "battery drain" or something, so I did not find the "battery fix" and had to ask.
all these little important things that sit somewhere in a 1000 page thread need to be collected and put somewhere immediately after the first post...
IMO that would make the XDA experience more pleasant for more people!
Mark.
I agree its desperately needed .
Whats happening is that other forums mention the various roms .
Owners then download the rom without even the most basic knowledge of roms Odin flashing etc expect them to be just like factory roms . Get into trouble refuse to read page 1 ask for help often on subjects beyond their very limited knowledge .
jje
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Hi there,
I agree its definitely not constructive, people taking out their anger on others is uncool regardless of who-how-why.
most of this is already a requirement/request when you join the forum, but flamers get all self righteous and hammer anyone they deem has not done their homework.
searches are very fallible. if you search for a generally used word you come up with way too much, and search too narrow and you are likely to miss something. I was looking for "battery fix" because that is what the thread title mentioned, but in the actual thread it was called "battery drain" or something, so I did not find the "battery fix" and had to ask.
all these little important things that sit somewhere in a 1000 page thread need to be collected and put somewhere immediately after the first post...
IMO that would make the XDA experience more pleasant for more people!
Mark.
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I agree for an extent. There are a few exceptions however:
1) There have been some cases where people have knowingly presented assumptions as fact... REPEATEDLY! Even after it is questioned. So flaming in that case might not be nice, but flaming is the only way to get them to go away. One such example was when someone was telling everyone "Google Mytrack is buggy, not the GPS". He refused to provide adequate evidence. RAM's another area where everyone is a professional, but none of the professionals have proof..
2) There are also a growing number of users who are blatantly IGNORING strong warnings about some ROM's.... And many of these are users with no development skills, or who haven't even tested official roms first. Then when something goes wrong, they demand help from the community, and later they bug the poor developers, who already knew there were serious bugs.
3) And then, there are the people who don't try to solve their own problem first. Granted, some searches CAN be missed. However, we are often seeing questions which often obviously can't be answered by the community (such as "when will Samsung release Gingerbread for SGS"). Well, clearly in that case, it would be best to speak to Samsung (duh). Or "my sd card is dead, will AT&T replace it". Clearly they should speak to AT&T
4) Then there are the guys too lazy to bother with basic fault fixing skills "my phone jammed up.. What do i do?"
I do agree in general it would be nice if things were friendlier. However, in some cases, I'm not sure if we should embrace people who were mentioned above....
What we really need is a thread designed as a faq consolidating answers
I have been here since March and have read well over 100 hours of material here on XDA and just because I have not posted crap on the non development threads I can't post quality help and rom feedback in the rom development threads? That doesn't make any sense. There needs to be another way. For example, if a user has actively read/searched for a set amount of time that should count for something as well. I am not sure what that amount should be but I strongly feel it would be a good Idea. I think it might also reduce the amount of nonsense posts that people put up just so they can get their 10 posts, one reason I am posting this one.
Rant over (for now)
waspvl1
hey
I totally agree I am very knowlegable of flashing roms and been having trouble lately with these newer builds but I dent have the posts eaither haha BS for sure
i have a feeling its to force people/newbs ( no offense) to actually spend the time reading and hopefully find the answers on their own instead of flooding the forums with questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times before.
said newbs might ( as i have in the past) find additional answers to questions they dont even yet have.
I have no problem with looking for answers. I am venting because there are many times I know the answers to others' questions and because I don't have 10 post I can't help them out and possibly others at the same time. I end up answering there question threw instant messages instead of in the thread where it might be useful to others. I am also venting because I can't report bugs on a new release of a rom that I just flashed. A bug that as of yet has not been mentioned and I want to see if I am the only one with the bug, Also I have read the entire thread and up to this point this bug has not been in any of the previous releases for me or for others.
WaspVL1
I cant report bugs on a new release of a rom that I just flashed cause im a newb.
i have been flashing different roms for a year now...........
I also find this thing not useful. I have less then 10 posts, but i use every new edition of SD build cm7 ACA, and i have a lot of suggestions. I find every new edition better then the other before!
This thread should be in Off Topic, which is a good place to make your first 10 posts quickly and easily.
10 posts isn't really that much.
well guys my best advice is ... hop on over the a non dev forum and get to answering questions for the TRUE newb, help someone truly lost and in need. you know as well as i do its something we do almost every time out and take for granted ... (remember your VERY first time you flashed anything!?!?!) how nervous you were that you were going to turn this marvelous beauty into a ugly paper weight, how many times you read yet still missed that ONE little step!
its been so long since i joined id but forgotten about the non dev posting limitations ... ahhhhh well reach out, help someone, and happy posting :-D
Well firstly 10 posts isn't much and secondly you are in the wrong forum. There are loads of threads about this in the OT forum.
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I cant report bugs on a new release of a rom that I just flashed cause im a newb.
i have been flashing different roms for a year now...........
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It's not like that, but like this:
You (and maybe 10 other people) do have knowledge and aren't newbies, but are not able to report bugs, help others or contribute because of the limit.
But on the other hand, There are over 100 members that are purely newbies and won't mind (maybe also enjoy?) posting (already answered) questions in the development sub-forums, that had to be restricted from cluttering the dev forum.
The idea of limiting dev sub-forums to over 10 posts may has its cons, but it also has it pros.
And as mentioned earlier, getting 10 posts (e.g. from answering in Q&A sub-forums) shouldn't be that hard.
I have no problem with the 10 ost limit. Just post something on a random thread like this and you will quickly get 10. Just like me, I hated my old user name and now I made a new account, I'm not a developer but I have read many many hours and can suggest something worth while also. But in reading those many hours I have seen countless post just reasking a question thats been answered already. 10 posts isn't that bad you will have it in no time!
I know that if I wanted to just go and wright pointless stuff I would have the posts I need in no time but I don't feel right about doing that just for the sake of doing it. However to get my point across I have no problem doing it.
Agreed, I'm still working on my 10post requirement so I can post feedback on ROMs and bugs.
You finally got your 10 post requirement.... nice!
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It should be time to read/search in forum! You learn more reading one day than posting ten messages. When new member is learn how to use search they are ready to start posting
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i concur with the original post, i've spent many many countless hours reading and watching tuorial vids and such and can usually get through the majoirty of it all with some trial and error...
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sweet, 10 posts!