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[Q] HTC Droid Incredible 2.3 ROM - Why not Fascinate??

HTC Droid Incredible this phone has 2.3 ROM
DROID Incredible Owners Receive One of the First Really Polished Gingerbread ROMs
This is a Verizon Phone correct? If so how can there be a 2.3 ROM for this phone so fast?
http://www.droid-life.com/
Good news for Droid Incredible owners, you may have the first-almost-fully functional Gingerbread ROM thanks to r2DoesInc over at XDA Forums. As of late last night, the newest build fixed almost everything that would cause you to not use it except for video recording and a working GPS. Other than that though, the browser now works fine, the camera snaps shots, and things like multi-touch have all been polished up.
Is someone working on a Fascinate Gingerbread ROM??

Man these threads make my head hurt...

onemotodroid said:
HTC Droid Incredible this phone has 2.3 ROM
DROID Incredible Owners Receive One of the First Really Polished Gingerbread ROMs
This is a Verizon Phone correct? If so how can there be a 2.3 ROM for this phone so fast?
http://www.droid-life.com/
Good news for Droid Incredible owners, you may have the first-almost-fully functional Gingerbread ROM thanks to r2DoesInc over at XDA Forums. As of late last night, the newest build fixed almost everything that would cause you to not use it except for video recording and a working GPS. Other than that though, the browser now works fine, the camera snaps shots, and things like multi-touch have all been polished up.
Is someone working on a Fascinate Gingerbread ROM??
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Another useless thread .... let's see. Maybe because Inc. devs have the correct code to work with (i.e RIL). Others have pointed this out in countless other 'Where's Froyo' threads. Be patient. You hold in your hand a much better phone than the Incredible, regardless of what software it's running.
Swyped from my Stupidfast Fascinate

One day hopefully we will get 2.3, but the incredible having 2.3 doesn't really affect us. I had 2.2 on my eris for the past 3 months at least and the fascinate doesn't have it. Even without having froyo, I still like the fascinate 10x more than I ever liked my eris. When the update does come it will just make it even better.

When the update do come, we all probably already left the fascinate and unto the incredible hd. Sad but it' the truth. Too many disapointments and lack of urgency from samsung.
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adrynalyne said:
Man these threads make my head hurt...
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Oh, I know what you mean. No wonder the devs stopped coming here so much. The questions been answered. There's a search function for a reason-use it.

Actually I find the search function to be a little clunky. I always use it anyway, but often google works fastest. It is amazing how quickly this forum gets indexed.
However, the most obvious is the list of posts that come up when you try to start a topic. At minimum, one should look into those. There has been an excess of overlap this month.

MADDAN18 said:
1st and LAST Samsung product I'll ever own.
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I said the same thing with the Samsung Moment..I was Awed by the AMOLED display, but Samsung's record of device support is in the ****ter. Then I bought a Fascinate because of the camera and the SAMOLED display.
I use this phone for what it is..a phone. Everything else is extra, and this phone has the BEST camera for any cell phone on the market currently. I'll stick with Samsung for now

adrynalyne said:
Man these threads make my head hurt...
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Ditto... although it could be because of the copious amounts of alcohol I consumed last night.

Alright, enoughs enough... Lets get a moderator to make a thread stating WHY we do not have froyo/GB so we don't have to read the same thing over and over again... Its simple... we DO NOT have the RIL source code and the one they even gave us is botched at best (from what I have read). So simply make a thread with that name then simply put we will not have a working gb/froyo ROM until we get the RIL source code from sammy (or a verizon one leaks out at which point, we will make a new thread in the developement section). This is the only options we have. There are no workarounds. STOP posting random meaningless threads about your idea because it won't work. If still think it will please head over to the IRC and talk to a dev about it but expect to get charred from the flaming if it is something dumb.
PS: you can never expect people to use the Search Button.... its sad but its the truth

scriz said:
I said the same thing with the Samsung Moment..I was Awed by the AMOLED display, but Samsung's record of device support is in the ****ter. Then I bought a Fascinate because of the camera and the SAMOLED display.
I use this phone for what it is..a phone. Everything else is extra, and this phone has the BEST camera for any any cell phone on the market right now. I'll stick with Samsung for now
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This.
What is does right now, it does very, very well.

adrynalyne said:
This.
What is does right now, it does very, very well.
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Wow..re-reading what I wrote..I sound like a blooming retard.

Maybe, but what you wrote is truth. This phone is quite good at what it does as is; I hope they don't screw that up with an update. Given some of what I've read about Froyo on other sgs phones, I'd rather have what we have now.
The grass isn't always greener
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Why very little devs?

Im not complaining just wondering
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I imagine their al very tall.
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What makes you think there is a small #? I'm very pleased with the development teams we have. They have all done a lot of great work.

After 10 million sold I was wondering that also.
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intruda119 said:
After 10 million sold I was wondering that also.
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Out of ten million units how many are running stock? I bet you the majority.
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The endless cries for help from noobs and/or people lacking common sense drove them away?

Lack of 2.2 source.

lqaddict said:
Out of ten million units how many are running stock? I bet you the majority.
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stop being a jerk.
s15274n said:
I imagine their al very tall.
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What makes you think there is a small #? I'm very pleased with the development teams we have. They have all done a lot of great work.
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Well, i'm currently good for this as well, but look at it, the only devs that people know for vibrants are: Eugene, Master, TW thats pretty much it i think?
TW is probably a bunch of people, master, he seems to be working alone currently, and Eugene is probably working with barak or something.

quadratic said:
Lack of 2.2 source.
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^ this
blame samsung

Yea since 2.1 is over with we just need 2.2 not the leaks
I love development as well im on axura I just noticed
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Lack of 2.2 source.
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i dont understand because theres no 2.2 theres not even devs working for the vibrant?
Explain, and if your trying to make thsi thread into a I HATE SAMSUNG one, please gtfo.

xriderx66 said:
i dont understand because theres no 2.2 theres not even devs working for the vibrant?
Explain, and if your trying to make thsi thread into a I HATE SAMSUNG one, please gtfo.
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I wanna take that bet and when official froyo comes out there will be more I don't care anymore.
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And btw where is Eugene? He hasnt teleased anything in a while...
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If I'm not mistaken that 10 million number is the whole Galaxy S line. 3 of the phones in that line have had very little, if any, in the way of leaked software thereby putting the need for anything new at a stand still. The majority of the 10 million sold have been I9000 which has seen plenty of development. As for the Vibrant I count 4 active Dev teams that are major players here, Eugene, Team Whiskey, Master, Heathen. Then you have a couple others releasing random items. To my recollection there has been a new rom or update to existing roms every single week. I'm not sure what else you would want maybe a new rom to flash daily? One of those devs has stop posting here but those that like his work have given us all the updated info. All of the Devs with the exception of Heathen have slowed down a bit for various reason known only to them but I'd speculate 3 possible reasons. 1. Holidays man people want to relax a little. 2. Nothing new to work with in a few weeks and the last 3 or 4 leaks have just been tweaks to 2.2. And finally C. with 2.3 on the horizon I'm sure some of the devs are busy finding a way to bring us all a stable/working version.
Hope this clears everything up for you.

Alanrocks15 said:
I wanna take that bet and when official froyo comes out there will be more I don't care anymore.
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What "bet"?
Official froyo doesn't make people want to develop this phone.
When official froyo comes out, everyone will want gingerbread, when we get that official well want the next, and so on...

xriderx66 said:
What "bet"?
Official froyo doesn't make people want to develop this phone.
When official froyo comes out, everyone will want gingerbread, when we get that official well want the next, and so on...
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Not exactly true. I mean I understand the sentiment. But it only goes up to a point. I thoroughly expect either an official 2.3 release sometime this year, or at least a stable 2.3 port from the Nexus considering it's pretty much the same exact phone. But after that, I'm not expecting much considering the handset with be EOL by then.
I was a former G1 owner, and I think it was great that we were able to get an official build of 1.6, and even though CM worked pretty well on it (at least the Eclair versions), you can't really expect that it would run Froyo well.
Bottom line, I think if every handset was updated within the first 1.5 years of it's life, people would be satisfied and there would be a lot less frustration about lack of support with Android in general.

Samsung to update all the Galaxy S line to Gingerbread

Its official. They will begin with the European phones at mid month (arent we there already?) and then move on to the American phones. I'm guessing we'll see a leak in about a month.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/official-samsung-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-getting-gingerbread-up/

Samsung has said that they'd step up their game with it comes to updates, and T-Mobile said they'd help push out updates faster.
I honestly think we may have a official release by the end of the month to early june.

Longcat14 said:
Samsung has said that they'd step up their game with it comes to updates, and T-Mobile said they'd help push out updates faster.
I honestly think we may have a official release by the end of the month to early june.
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Thats a lil hopeful imo, i dont expect anything until july/august at the earliest as far as a full build is concerned.

shreddintyres said:
Thats a lil hopeful imo, i dont expect anything until july/august at the earliest as far as a full build is concerned.
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Well, I really can be hopeful, since I'll also have the NS4G (getting it today), if they don't release it, I'll just play around with GB on the NS4G, and when the Vibrant gets GB, I'll have 2 amazing phones (not like the Vibrant isn't amazing now, but just not taking full advantage of it's hardware).

This is great news! Hopefully they do step up their software updates and push it out or leak it faster than we expect.

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This is great news! Hopefully they do step up their software updates and push it out or leak it faster than we expect.
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Hell, I'd rather take a leak, so that our amazing dev's can create working ROM's out of them.

Yeah a leak would come in handy. We'd get new roms and maybe some stuff fixed in CM7/MIUI. The Epic 4G had a leak not too long ago and i think there looking at another leak that one of the dev groups has. The ones that got us our leaks here in the vibrant section were Eugene373 and Krylon360, and their both gone. =(

Good news indeed... Lets just hope a leak comes early.
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Ericson4292 said:
Good news indeed... Lets just hope a leak comes early.
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*cough* leak tomorrow *cough*
I hope someone from Samsung reads this message.

Will it come to galaxy sl as well??
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thats the best news ive heard all week!!! ty so much!!!!!!! And i thought i would never see gb on this phone..

All I want is a leak so devs can make a GB rom with great battery life and stability.

Yay! can't wait to get GB

Guys, once we get this... think about it..
CM7 will be officially done.
Miui will be officially done.
MANY new stable roms.
Vibrant section will be back up to trolling again!

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Guys, once we get this... think about it..
CM7 will be officially done.
Miui will be officially done.
MANY new stable roms.
Vibrant section will be back up to trolling again!
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Binary roms will not help CM7 and miui roms with GPS because of the way Samsung calls on the GPS as compared to the way aosp calls on the GPS. This has been stated many times over, and yet still gets swept under the rug.
Even after the *kernel* source is released, it still contains nothing about GPS source.
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geoffcorey said:
Binary roms will not help CM7 and miui roms with GPS because of the way Samsung calls on the GPS as compared to the way aosp calls on the GPS. This has been stated many times over, and yet still gets swept under the rug.
Even after the *kernel* source is released, it still contains nothing about GPS source.
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GPS will probably never work for EVERYONE on the Vibrant... so might as well let it go and wait for some dev to make a mod that makes it work like Heathen's GPS fixes.
I was saying that GB would open completely new doors.
GB could help complete MIUI and CM7, as they are all Gingerbread based.
Even if it is AOSP, they have to use the things that Samsung gives.

geoffcorey said:
Binary roms will not help CM7 and miui roms with GPS because of the way Samsung calls on the GPS as compared to the way aosp calls on the GPS. This has been stated many times over, and yet still gets swept under the rug.
Even after the *kernel* source is released, it still contains nothing about GPS source.
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Very sad to read this. I was also under the impression that we'd likely have an official and fully functional Cyanogenmod build.
Oh well. Stock GB will be awesome enough if they release it.
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This GPS issue is really unfortunate. We should just have Samsung open source it..

Let's sit back and enjoy the news about Kies-bricked phones (again).

Is it me or is Epic development almst dead?

Is it just me or is Epic development almost dead?
Two-three months ago there was CM6,MIUI,CM7 and more original roms in the works,what happened?
Yeah i know that for CM7 they are waiting for official GB to drop but what about CM6 that was 90 percent finished and MIUI that was almost finished?
I know that we still got roms but most of them with exception of ACS and few others are mostly remixes and tweaks of stock rom.
Our Epic is way behind Vibrant,Fascinate and Captivate.

It's just you. Don't knock what the amazing developers have done for us. We have plenty of roms and we will have plenty once gingerbread drops.

I agree. Feel free to learn how to dev, though. You won't sound like a detractor from the forum.

lviv73 said:
Is it just me or is Epic development almost dead?
Two-three months ago there was CM6,MIUI,CM7 and more original roms in the works,what happened?
Yeah i know that for CM7 they are waiting for official GB to drop but what about CM6 that was 90 percent finished and MIUI that was almost finished?
I know that we still got roms but most of them with exception of ACS and few others are mostly remixes and tweaks of stock rom.
Our Epic is way behind Vibrant,Fascinate and Captivate.
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dont worry op. i feel for ya.
no disrespect, but what phones did you guys come from. i went through the mogul, the touch, touch pro and then tp2. i mean we had a **** ton of development. not all of it was quality, but i mean, real talk. epic dev just never got off the ground. im totally not ungrateful, and im still learning android and linux, and im going to kick a little ass one of these days. it just wont be with this phone.
like i said. im not a **** talker. look me up at ppcgeeks. ive got 3000 posts (6 thou if you count off topic) and a rep that doubles that.

I know the feeling I see so much stuff from may it makes it hard not to switch phones only thing keeping me around is hope at this point
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inimitableac said:
I know the feeling I see so much stuff from may it makes it hard not to switch phones only thing keeping me around is hope at this point
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the only thing keeping me around is sprint not dropping an evoesque phone with a keyboard. all my favorite devs went to the desire z and the evo.

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the only thing keeping me around is sprint not dropping an evoesque phone with a keyboard. all my favorite devs went to the desire z and the evo.
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Yep... that and unlimited data... wish htc made a qwerty slider for android.. ill never give up my full kb.
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austin420 said:
dont worry op. i feel for ya.
no disrespect, but what phones did you guys come from. i went through the mogul, the touch, touch pro and then tp2. i mean we had a **** ton of development. not all of it was quality, but i mean, real talk. epic dev just never got off the ground. im totally not ungrateful, and im still learning android and linux, and im going to kick a little ass one of these days. it just wont be with this phone.
like i said. im not a **** talker. look me up at ppcgeeks. ive got 3000 posts (6 thou if you count off topic) and a rep that doubles that.
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Damn, I just hit 1,000 posts over there. Big part of it seeming smaller is that the only carrier with the Epic is sprint. Android roms aren't like winmo roms where all you had to do was provision a rom to a particular carrier.

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Yep... that and unlimited data... wish htc made a qwerty slider for android.. ill never give up my full kb.
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they do... its called the evo shift...

steviee7 said:
they do... its called the evo shift...
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i know im picky, but i like 5 rows (dedicated number row)
i just dont want to leave sprint either. its not just the unlimited data, low prices and yearly upgrade. i just like them. i live in kc mo. right across the state line from sprint worl headquarters. we have a 18000 person arena in downtown called the sprint center. sprint logos are every where. we have the sprint cu at the kansas speedway. i mean it is my home town carrier.

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Big part of it seeming smaller is that the only carrier with the Epic is sprint. Android roms aren't like winmo roms where all you had to do was provision a rom to a particular carrier.
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good point
i got more thanks tomorrow.

This is my first experience with custom ROMs and I for one am very content with the amount of development for the Epic. I have looked at other forums and yes there may be a larger following, or more talk about development, but a lot of it seems to be garbage. I have flashed and used a few different ROMs now and they are all solid with few if any bugs. SRF is what I am running now and I have not found a single functionality issue. I also love that the Epic devs continue to improve their product instead of releasing some piece of crap ROM and never touching it again. Also the relatively smaller quantity of development makes things like qbking's videos possible and help all of us learn to better utilize the phones potential.
I say cheers to the devs for what they do and the time they put in! I could never accomplish even a portion of what they do. Thanks guys!
Please excuse any erors or typos as this massage was sent from my mobil device.

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This is my first experience with custom ROMs and I for one am very content with the amount of development for the Epic. I have looked at other forums and yes there may be a larger following, or more talk about development, but a lot of it seems to be garbage. I have flashed and used a few different ROMs now and they are all solid with few if any bugs. SRF is what I am running now and I have not found a single functionality issue. I also love that the Epic devs continue to improve their product instead of releasing some piece of crap ROM and never touching it again. Also the relatively smaller quantity of development makes things like qbking's videos possible and help all of us learn to better utilize the phones potential.
I say cheers to the devs for what they do and the time they put in! I could never accomplish even a portion of what they do. Thanks guys!
Please excuse any erors or typos as this massage was sent from my mobil device.
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This.
Quality over quantity anyday our devs cook up some amazing stuff for us.
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I love this phone. That is all.
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we have several quality ROMs and Themes to choose from

It should come as no surprise really. There are 3 main reasons why it may seem development is slow:
Small community. Meaning that our sample set in which developers are drawn is smaller. Thankfully, this phone was top notch in hardware when it came out, so it increased our chances of having very talented developers since it naturally drew people who seriously appreciated hardware. Hence, why we have a small number of developers but they're all very very good at what they do. It could have ended up with a small number AND not a lot of quality.
Touchwiz. What I mean by this is that we're still waiting on a fully functional AOSP based rom, with CM7 being the closest to completion. Without it, all there is to develop on is touchwiz, and we've pretty much exhausted what we can do with it (so far). Once there's one ROM on AOSP, that allows for more ROMs to be developed on AOSP. Plus, the completion of CM7 could very well attract developers who prefer to develop on AOSP to try a couple projects, and have simply been waiting for CM to be completed. This all ties in with reason number 3.
Froyo. Like touchwiz, we've pretty much done all we can do with it. With the release of gingerbread, it'll open up a whole new opportunity to develop. Remember, we went through the same thing towards the end of eclair's life. Not a whole lot of development, and everyone really just waiting for froyo. The difference was, however, that everyone was itching SO BAD for froyo that a lot of projects were done on DK28; we were truly behind the times then, and so even the developers were willing to play with a leak. Not so much now; we're not AS behind the curve considering there are still few phones (besides newly released ones) on gingerbread. This, too, is much like the anticipation of an AOSP precedent as mentioned previously: it's quite possible that there are potential developers who are simply waiting for gingerbread to be released before coming to this phone.
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can anyone explain to me how the mytouch slide 4g has cm7 and overclocked gingerbread kernels with out gb source?

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can anyone explain to me how the mytouch slide 4g has cm7 and overclocked gingerbread kernels with out gb source?
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I don't know, but the easiest explanations are:
More developers? Better chance to figure out the kernel drivers on their own.
It's made by HTC? It's pretty much a known that samsungs kernel drivers are always wacky, and in general, what one phone has doesn't neccessarily help with another. With HTC, their kernel drivers are a little more consistent across phones and it's easier to make things work by borrowing and tweaking.
Linux loaded modules? Don't know if it's relevant, but it's possible to use these to overclock a phone in a round-about way.
There's something that really needs to be laid to rest here regarding the arguement that everybody gives saying "we didn't get cm6 when froyo source was released, so how are we gonna get cm7 just because of gingerbread source?" Two reasons:
One: we only had one dev working on it, noobnl. Now we have a TEAM. And each on is just as if not more talented than him.
Two: we didn't have another device to kang any AOSP driver source from. With cm7, our team borrowed what they could from the nexus s 4g. And rest assured, they DID get a little use out of it.
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can anyone explain to me how the mytouch slide 4g has cm7 and overclocked gingerbread kernels with out gb source?
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It's the same phone as every other HTC phone, once they get something working on one all the others get it pretty quickly.

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It's the same phone as every other HTC phone, once they get something working on one all the others get it pretty quickly.
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then by the same logic, since the i9000 has gb, we should too? the only difference in the mytouch4g and most other htc phones is a keyboard and 4g. sound familiar?

Samsungs Cheap Stupidity

Now dont get this wrong, but didnt a developer go to Samsung. And on another note, there are unlimited number of people still with Samsung Moment!! And are they not working with ICS or Already have it?! I do alot to try to keep up. But I hate cheap excuses. Touchwiz can kiss my ...!!! I can do without. If we can develop it to work here....Thank You Developers and all Members. Why Cant We? We were taught growing up to never give up!! If there is a will there is a way!! Never Give up, Never Surrender!! And so on!!!
So Come on Samsung.......we continue to be your loyal followers!! Give Us One More Gift....A late Christmas Present before letting us go to the SGIII!!!
Thats Alll I ask!! Even if it is Light...I can deal with that!!!

They can't just remove TW and give us ICS. Just wait for CM9.
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Gavisann said:
They can't just remove TW and give us ICS. Just wait for CM9.
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*won't
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I think he was right by saying "can't" it would confuse those who aren't tech savy(majority of smartphone users) by taking TW fully off our phone. And from what I heard our phone need some parts of TW. Cm7 "I think" have a little tw in it
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masaidjet said:
I think he was right by saying "can't" it would confuse those who aren't tech savy(majority of smartphone users) by taking TW fully off our phone. And from what I heard our phone need some parts of TW. Cm7 "I think" have a little tw in it
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Cm7 does not have any TW.
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rootxda said:
Now dont get this wrong, but didnt a developer go to Samsung. And on another note, there are unlimited number of people still with Samsung Moment!! And are they not working with ICS or Already have it?! I do alot to try to keep up. But I hate cheap excuses. Touchwiz can kiss my ...!!! I can do without. If we can develop it to work here....Thank You Developers and all Members. Why Cant We? We were taught growing up to never give up!! If there is a will there is a way!! Never Give up, Never Surrender!! And so on!!!
So Come on Samsung.......we continue to be your loyal followers!! Give Us One More Gift....A late Christmas Present before letting us go to the SGIII!!!
Thats Alll I ask!! Even if it is Light...I can deal with that!!!
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Try for a moment to step outside your world and look at things from the other 99% of Epic users; the ones that AREN'T on XDA and spend most of their day doing things other than flashing their phones. Even assuming that ICS works smoothly on the Epic, replacing the current GB rom with a bare stripped ICS rom would look like a downgrade to them with all the Touchwiz functions missing. Maybe some people would like that, but I think it would be a marketing mess to try and explain why they are taking away features with an update.
For those of us who are geeky enough to want a plain ICS rom, stand by for CM9, that will be here much sooner than we would get an official ICS update.

And if I see one more new thread about whether or not we get some stupid upgrade a year from now I am going to throw up all over XDA! Please put all rants in an existing ICS rant and complaints!

Cheer up !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyx6JDQCslE&ob=av3e
why worry about phone updates that much ....

You have to understand that Samsung is just lazy about the Epic. We are just recently getting a final Gingerbread build in November and it STILL has memory leaks. They would like Sprint to discontinue them.

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And on another note, there are unlimited number of people still with Samsung Moment!! And are they not working with ICS or Already have it?!
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2.2 is working well, but the CM alpha version of 2.3 that was put out for the Moment, ran like crap, and was pretty much dropped as the devs moved on. I HIGHLY doubt that any version of ICS will run on the Samsung Moment in a decent manner
Not that I dont wish it would, just having modded the Samsung Moment for a couple years now, IMO it just doenst have enough internal space or processing power for a full blown ICS build.
Now the Epic has enough of both, if the partitions are resized, but I highly doubt that Samsung will take that route.
IMO, the only way the Epic will see ICS is with CM9. Thankfully, I feel there is a very good chance CM9 will be developed and released at some point by the CM development team

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masaidjet said:
I think he was right by saying "can't" it would confuse those who aren't tech savy(majority of smartphone users) by taking TW fully off our phone. And from what I heard our phone need some parts of TW. Cm7 "I think" have a little tw in it
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OK there is some confusion here...
1. He was wrong with "can't," Samsung could remove touchwiz entirely from our phone, and put AOSP Ics, with our hardware drivers that they have access too. HTC has already done this by removing sense from a phone, so it could get gingerbread.
2. As long as there is a tutorial, any user can get used to a new ui.
3. Our phone(nor any gs phone) does not need any touchwiz at all in CM. We have to use some Samsung proprietary files, cause we cant change them.
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Maybe Samsung should just release a non TW version of ICS, but not have it as an OTA download. Those that want it would have to download it manually from a website and then use the "Odin for Dumbies" method of flashing ala the EB13 download that walked a person step by step on flashing the phone which would wipe the whole phone and install EB13.
That way the 99% of users who don't tinker with there phones would still have TW and GB on their phones and be happy with it, while the few that want ICS would get it as well.

adelmundo said:
Maybe Samsung should just release a non TW version of ICS, but not have it as an OTA download. Those that want it would have to download it manually from a website and then use the "Odin for Dumbies" method of flashing ala the EB13 download that walked a person step by step on flashing the phone which would wipe the whole phone and install EB13.
That way the 99% of users who don't tinker with there phones would still have TW and GB on their phones and be happy with it, while the few that want ICS would get it as well.
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Yes but its not worth the time and money for them to do that. Especially when CM9 does it for free. In my opinion, the smartest thing for them to do would be to supply the Samsung CM maintainers with the necessary drivers and sources to easily get CM9 running perfectly. Doesnt cost any money or much time and at the end of the day, the people who care are happy.

masaidjet said:
I think he was right by saying "can't" it would confuse those who aren't tech savy(majority of smartphone users) by taking TW fully off our phone. And from what I heard our phone need some parts of TW. Cm7 "I think" have a little tw in it
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So, every Epic owner who doesn't use XDA also can't handle the transition to a new UI? Not one of those several hundred users has ever had a previous phone, especially not one made by HTC or any of the several other android phone manufacturers, or a Blackberry or iPhone? If that's the case, how did I miss the rioting when Sprint released the first update to Froyo? Or GB? (The UI changed with both of those upgrades, remember?)
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And on another note, there are unlimited number of people still with Samsung Moment!!
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Overpopulation must have really gotten out of control without my noticing - the last time I checked, this entire planet has a finite (in other words, limited) population...
I personally don't have a Moment, so the absolute maximum number of people (the limit, if you will) is already guaranteed to be [world population - 1] at the most (assuming every man, woman and child has a Moment except me)
So, what was that about stupidity?
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im sure he meant "a limited" not unlimited.

austin420 said:
im sure he meant "a limited" not unlimited.
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That would directly contradict the point he tried to make by using that statement - that development is still rolling on the Moment. If there were limited users in this case (since we know that there is always a limit to the number, actually stating it implies a very limited number), then that would be an argument in favor of slowing or halting development on that device due to a dwindling user base
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It reads to me that the thought he is trying to convey is, "why does the moment (with such a limited user base) already have people (not samsung) working on ics and cm9 and we dont (with many more people currently using the epic)?".
I'm not sure though. The op need some grammer training and a better spellchecker.
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interesting ...

austin420 said:
It reads to me that the thought he is trying to convey is, "why does the moment (with such a limited user base) already have people (not samsung) working on ics and cm9 and we dont (with many more people currently using the epic)?".
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Nicely reworded.
That said, anyone know of a link to any sort of ICS and/or CM9 in any state for the Moment?