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Why very little devs?

Im not complaining just wondering
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I imagine their al very tall.
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What makes you think there is a small #? I'm very pleased with the development teams we have. They have all done a lot of great work.

After 10 million sold I was wondering that also.
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intruda119 said:
After 10 million sold I was wondering that also.
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Out of ten million units how many are running stock? I bet you the majority.
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The endless cries for help from noobs and/or people lacking common sense drove them away?

Lack of 2.2 source.

lqaddict said:
Out of ten million units how many are running stock? I bet you the majority.
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stop being a jerk.
s15274n said:
I imagine their al very tall.
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What makes you think there is a small #? I'm very pleased with the development teams we have. They have all done a lot of great work.
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Well, i'm currently good for this as well, but look at it, the only devs that people know for vibrants are: Eugene, Master, TW thats pretty much it i think?
TW is probably a bunch of people, master, he seems to be working alone currently, and Eugene is probably working with barak or something.

quadratic said:
Lack of 2.2 source.
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^ this
blame samsung

Yea since 2.1 is over with we just need 2.2 not the leaks
I love development as well im on axura I just noticed
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quadratic said:
Lack of 2.2 source.
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i dont understand because theres no 2.2 theres not even devs working for the vibrant?
Explain, and if your trying to make thsi thread into a I HATE SAMSUNG one, please gtfo.

xriderx66 said:
i dont understand because theres no 2.2 theres not even devs working for the vibrant?
Explain, and if your trying to make thsi thread into a I HATE SAMSUNG one, please gtfo.
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I wanna take that bet and when official froyo comes out there will be more I don't care anymore.
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And btw where is Eugene? He hasnt teleased anything in a while...
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If I'm not mistaken that 10 million number is the whole Galaxy S line. 3 of the phones in that line have had very little, if any, in the way of leaked software thereby putting the need for anything new at a stand still. The majority of the 10 million sold have been I9000 which has seen plenty of development. As for the Vibrant I count 4 active Dev teams that are major players here, Eugene, Team Whiskey, Master, Heathen. Then you have a couple others releasing random items. To my recollection there has been a new rom or update to existing roms every single week. I'm not sure what else you would want maybe a new rom to flash daily? One of those devs has stop posting here but those that like his work have given us all the updated info. All of the Devs with the exception of Heathen have slowed down a bit for various reason known only to them but I'd speculate 3 possible reasons. 1. Holidays man people want to relax a little. 2. Nothing new to work with in a few weeks and the last 3 or 4 leaks have just been tweaks to 2.2. And finally C. with 2.3 on the horizon I'm sure some of the devs are busy finding a way to bring us all a stable/working version.
Hope this clears everything up for you.

Alanrocks15 said:
I wanna take that bet and when official froyo comes out there will be more I don't care anymore.
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What "bet"?
Official froyo doesn't make people want to develop this phone.
When official froyo comes out, everyone will want gingerbread, when we get that official well want the next, and so on...

xriderx66 said:
What "bet"?
Official froyo doesn't make people want to develop this phone.
When official froyo comes out, everyone will want gingerbread, when we get that official well want the next, and so on...
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Not exactly true. I mean I understand the sentiment. But it only goes up to a point. I thoroughly expect either an official 2.3 release sometime this year, or at least a stable 2.3 port from the Nexus considering it's pretty much the same exact phone. But after that, I'm not expecting much considering the handset with be EOL by then.
I was a former G1 owner, and I think it was great that we were able to get an official build of 1.6, and even though CM worked pretty well on it (at least the Eclair versions), you can't really expect that it would run Froyo well.
Bottom line, I think if every handset was updated within the first 1.5 years of it's life, people would be satisfied and there would be a lot less frustration about lack of support with Android in general.

Is N1 roms dev dead?

It's horrible but true!
Our beloved N1 losed the biggest devs:
-Paulobrien left several months ago
-Evil shows up very rarely
-Micromod sold his N1 so no more updates
-Rodriguez ''disapeared'' since january
Only a few devs are still here but the ''big heads'' left
No more Desire or Desire HD to N1 ports?
Oh the sweet times when we used to have incredible roms every 2 days and we didn't know what to choose...

It is a sad and inevitable decline. But at least we have Cyanogenmod. If the N1 lost support for that, i'd probably get a new phone. We look pretty safe for a good while now though.

Makes me sad cause I still don't wanna leave the nexus one:-(. What else is worth it? The nexus s ROM support hasn't really exploded yet, so I dunno where else I'd go.

I don't know about you.. but I've never had the need to try anything else than CyanogenMod, so I can't really say I'll miss or worry about the other devs being gone.

Paulobrien,Evil and Micromod were the ones who ported Desire roms into N1, without them we are stuck to ''plain'' roms
Desire HD port need some works and I doubt someone will port Desire gingerbread to N1

Desire ROMs are in decline - because nobody is interested enough to finesse them, but GB ROMs are crawling from under every corner - because it's new and fun. Even though they're mostly beta-quality - because everyone is waiting for the official GB update.
When GB will be on Desire, and only then, you'll see if there is any development. Right now there's nothing to develop.

You have lot people waiting for a faster and more stable Desire HD rom
But as I said the only one to really work on it is Evil, other devs are just cooking MIUI and CM7 instead of porting something new

You forget one of the best dev's in the list, Enomther.

Enomther has always been rare
Perhaps he's waiting for official gingerbread release before doing his new rom,he's very carefull

vegetaleb said:
Enomther has always been rare
Perhaps he's waiting for official gingerbread release before doing his new rom,he's very carefull
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He announced his stepping away from rom developement in his thread for his rom. Whether it is temp or permanent remains to be seen, but he will be missed. He was definitely tops on my list.

vegetaleb said:
Enomther has always been rare
Perhaps he's waiting for official gingerbread release before doing his new rom,he's very carefull
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unfortunately http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11089520&postcount=8305

The question is where are they going? Nexus s?
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onesavior said:
The question is where are they going? Nexus s?
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Took the words out of my mouth. Did a new worthwhile phone come out this past month or something? I suspect (as someone else mentioned), most are just waiting for Google to finally release GB. I myself have been bouncing around MIUI, and GB ROMs. Now I'm back to stock with a blackbar theme and I'm pretty peachy. Long live the Nexus One!

There is a lull simply because 2.3 isn't out. Look how the dev section exploded with the OTA for froyo. Once 2.3 hits I'm sure it'll heat up again

Hollow.Droid said:
There is a lull simply because 2.3 isn't out. Look how the dev section exploded with the OTA for froyo. Once 2.3 hits I'm sure it'll heat up again
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Your post reminds me of that old saying "the calm before the storm" lol. And yes this is true, the mytouch 3G I switched from went pretty dead after being stuck on 1.6 forever and once an "official" release of 2.1 let out, devs trickled back in and it heated up again, I think once 2.3 officially drops for the N1 that it is gonna start a firey oven of optimized tastey roms.. Personally I think the devs are just bored of 2.2 and want to play with something new and 2.3 just isn't in a good enough standing right now for them to attempt to "optimize" it..
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vegetaleb said:
It's horrible but true!
Our beloved N1 losed the biggest devs:
-Paulobrien left several months ago
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Paulobrien said on modaco site: I still have my N1 and i'm still planning new updates. It was at Jan 31 2011, 19:45.
Sorry can't write direct link due newbie status.

And if you like a Devs rom be sure to donate. No one works for free
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MIUI (which is the most innovative Android ROM) and CM are still going strong for the Nexus, so no, development is not dead.

Sexy nexy still the best!!!!!!! It has everything what i need, like amoled cam flash GPS ...... i stay with my sexy nexy
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It's sad that's lots of devs are leaving the N1.
But be optimistic and patient everyone as we wait for the official OTA.
Right now I'm using cyanmod 6.1 and it's been great. I'm just glad we still have him around. I'm sure cyanogen ain't never gonna leave us.

gingerbread release here

i take no credit, just passing this on
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/fascinate/8081-gingerbread-fascinate-release-thread.html

First reply, that's what's up.
First off thanks for posting this here.
Second, wondered what made him have a change of heart?
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No thanks, I'll wait for the Dev optimized version. :/

AlgorithmX said:
No thanks, I'll wait for the Dev optimized version. :/
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Agreed
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he said on twitter that fassy owners emailed him and that changed his mind, didn't want to hold it out from the rest of us because of an argument

doctorj1 said:
he said on twitter that fassy owners emailed him and that changed his mind, didn't want to hold it out from the rest of us because of an argument
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He'd already said that others were going to release it anyways, so... take from it what you will.

AlgorithmX said:
No thanks, I'll wait for the Dev optimized version. :/
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Also agree. Let TSM get their hands on it first
After running stock for a few days (during that whole ZOMG my 3G is gone fiasco) I was about ready to throw it out the window.

After a whole days worth of prepubescent tantrums. I don't want to touch this. I think I'd rather rock Adryn's froyo SC than a P3 GB leak. Haha.

If owners were going to release anyways then i'm sure its all about where the credit goes. That's why P3 released IMO. I am glad, however, that he chose the side of advancing the android os rather than holding grudges.

I don't flash any ROM anymore that isn't deodexed (theme-able), debloated (though I do like the TW video player and Media Hub), and de-Binged (though I still find Bing to be useful, that doesn't mean I want it built into my ROM). Therefore, like some of you have already said, I will wait until it's released as a custom ROM by Nitro, TSM, or one of the other devs who have worked on the Fascinate for more than a week or two.
[EDIT]: Oh, yeah, forgot to mention - I am also going to wait for a voodoo kernel (actually I forgot that this would install a new kernel). That looks to be a much longer wait than for someone to de-B it (deodex, debloat, de-Bing) it, since, as I understand, no kernel source has been leaked. It took a couple of months, as I recall, after the DL30 leak, for a Froyo voodoo kernel to be released. That was because no kernel source had been leaked, only the functional ROM build. The voodoo kernel was based on the official ED01 release after Samsung posted the kernel source.
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Save yourselves the trouble and do not flash until there is a less buggy and de binged version. At the very least we know that there is a Fully Functional GB rom on Verizon for the Fascinate.

I am very surprised. I didn't think samsung would develop gingerbread this fast. They took almost a year to put out froyo then 2 months later we have gb.
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Avelnan said:
I am very surprised. I didn't think samsung would develop gingerbread this fast. They took almost a year to put out froyo then 2 months later we have gb.
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EC09 is the build number, meaning most likely that a second dev team was working on GB while froyo was being finished up.

Avelnan said:
I am very surprised. I didn't think samsung would develop gingerbread this fast. They took almost a year to put out froyo then 2 months later we have gb.
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Actually, this is an old engineering build. I heard about it a while back, just never got to see it.

I wonder how long till we get an OTA of Gingerbread?

I would imagine it will be a little while. Verizon is notorious for continually pushing things back, and I don't see why this OTA would be any different.

What exactly is so great about gingerbread?

Vibrant's Verizon Brother The Fascinate Getting Gingerbread Update!!! Wheres ours?

According to Phandroid.com, the Fascinate on Verizon is getting the Gingerbread Update!
http://phandroid.com/2011/12/01/samsung-fascinate-gingerbread-update-ready-to-roll/
Now T-mobile and Samsung, I have to ask, where is the Vibrant's update?
Galaxy S internatinoal got gingerbread.
Galaxy S 4G got gingerbread.
Captivate has gingerbread leaks.
Fascinate is getting gingerbread.
Vibrant Canada I think got gingerbread also.
So where is the T-mobile Vibrant Gingerbread????????????????????????

Might be more power full if posted in samsung website forum.

yea, post that there. Ive given up on GB anyway, custom roms are better anyway

Accept that it's not coming and 2.2 is the terminal firmware for the Vibrant. You can thank the T-959v for that.
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WhiteBoyAwesome said:
yea, post that there. Ive given up on GB anyway, custom roms are better anyway
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Imagine how better they'd be with Gingerbread source.

Eh doesnt matter anymore. We got devs doing ics, in a week or two more it'll run flawlessly.

wait.. correct me if i'm wrong but isn't the fascinate the same hardware minus the modem (cdma)? if this is the case devs could just as easily rip all the files needed to complete our driver issues on GB. if not oh well.

I believe there is something different with the GPS drivers on the Vibrant, which is why we have so many great ROMs without very good GPS.

Seriously? Another rant about gb for the vibrant? Just flash an i9000 port, and stop complaining. Or get another phone. There are early builds of ics popping up already. the vibrant was one of the first to get an ics build actually....
You disappeared after i showed you battery life on simply honey v6 beta....hahaha...where'd you go buddy?
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Why do you want GB now, when it's a year late? They should release ICS rather than GB. ICS is awesome on the vibrant btw
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Seriously? Another rant about gb for the vibrant? Just flash an i9000 port, and stop complaining. Or get another phone. There are early builds of ics popping up already. the vibrant was one of the first to get an ics build actually....
You disappeared after i showed you battery life on simply honey v6 beta....hahaha...where'd you go buddy?
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I9000 ports are good, but I need gps daily. If Im not mistaken the only GB kernel that has GPS is about 6 months old. We get an up to date GB kernel with working gps and more will flood the I9000 ROM section.

you guys are stupid for even thinking we'll get a update, if we do im sorry and i will cut my dogs ear off.
P.S. get your ass on ICS.

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I9000 ports are good, but I need gps daily. If Im not mistaken the only GB kernel that has GPS is about 6 months old. We get an up to date GB kernel with working gps and more will flood the I9000 ROM section.
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I understand the need for GPS, but it's really a hit or miss with vibrants. I'll pretty sure i got the first run of units, so gps never really worked well for me, no matter what ROM I'm on.
Granted, if i use the gb bullet kernel, i can get a lock and even navigation, but it takes a while. I just use maps to give me directions, then follow them. Simple solution to a simple problem.
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thachosenone said:
I understand the need for GPS, but it's really a hit or miss with vibrants. I'll pretty sure i got the first run of units, so gps never really worked well for me, no matter what ROM I'm on.
Granted, if i use the gb bullet kernel, i can get a lock and even navigation, but it takes a while. I just use maps to give me directions, then follow them. Simple solution to a simple problem.
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I would agree. I also got one of the first batches of Vibs. I did the hardware fix and things got much better for me. Give it a look if you haven't tried it. May help.
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Note - my wife and I both got Vibs together. Mine has the hardware fix and hers does not. Mine locks A LOT faster than hers. She is on a 2.2 ROM and Im on Miui as well.

Moped_Ryder said:
I would agree. I also got one of the first batches of Vibs. I did the hardware fix and things got much better for me. Give it a look if you haven't tried it. May help.
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Note - my wife and I both got Vibs together. Mine has the hardware fix and hers does not. Mine locks A LOT faster than hers. She is on a 2.2 ROM and Im on Miui as well.
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I tried the hardware fix myself, but only by bending the contact up. What exactly did you do to apply the hardware fix?
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MIUI-NB edition has a working gps, no need for hardware fix. but go for an older release for more stability

xriderx66 said:
you guys are stupid for even thinking we'll get a update, if we do im sorry and i will cut my dogs ear off.
P.S. get your ass on ICS.
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Yep, I'm getting on iOS in January when I switch carriers...
Oh, you said ICS... My bad...
Sorry, ICS = Different look, same nastiness. UI Latency, Adware galore, inconsistent UI across apps, poor market policing, etc.
I'm to the point where I just want something that works. Android is starting to feel like WIndows Me to me now...

N8ter said:
Yep, I'm getting on iOS in January when I switch carriers...
Oh, you said ICS... My bad...
Sorry, ICS = Different look, same nastiness. UI Latency, Adware galore, inconsistent UI across apps, poor market policing, etc.
I'm to the point where I just want something that works. Android is starting to feel like WIndows Me to me now...
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Everyone has a choice. Thats why I love Android and iOS. Both have their pros and cons. I am NOT a fanboy. I can point out both advantages for both platforms, and both have disadvantages.
I'm just glad this wasn't like 5 years ago where the only choice for a smartphone = iPhone. I did own a iPhone 3GS, jailbroke it, found nothing interesting to jailbreak except to pirate apps... which i pointless to me. I prefer android, it gives me a change. But again, opinions are opinions.

Tmoble already has the sgs 2 and the sgs 4g. Not to mention that the vibrant was discontinued months ago there's honestly no point in a business point of view updating a phone there not making any money on
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And this is why we need source direct from samsung
CM DROPS VIBRANT SUPPORT DUE TO 911 INABILITY:
"We are no longer supporting the Vibrant due to the inability to dial 911. We consider the issues related to this unresolvable without source code from Samsung related to the Radio interface layer and its interactions with the Audio layers and have taken the decision to no longer support this. We apologize for the inconvenience and strongly suggest that Vibrant users use a Samsung ROM due to the 911 issues with any ROMs based on open source code."
http://phandroid.com/2011/12/12/cya...le-galaxy-s-support-dropped-due-to-911-issue/
Now do you see why it is so important to have put pressure on Samsung/T-Mobile to release an update to Gingerbread? This is why! Developers are talented but they can't work miracles. We need source/drivers for proper 911 and GPS capabilities just to name a few.

Why officials ICS Rom for att and not inter

I am upset that a fully functional att version note got a fully working ITS leaked Rom before the international version did. its so unfair
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Cool story, bro.
For real though. Man up. Deal with it. Quit *****ing.
It'll come when it comes. I bet you never experienced the ordeal with the samsung infuse getting gingerbread
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Or the ordeal I had to deal with getting Froyo on my Samsung Epic 4G....
Besides it's a leak on AT&T. It's not even official. Who knows what problems there are still on it. Rather get a fully stable release than get a leak with bugs.

OMG a dark day in history of human kind...

Obviously Samsung feels the same cause they didn't really want to release either yet...
But seriously, leaks are random, you can't seriously be upset that what has leaked was not the one you wanted...

rp4k said:
I am upset that a fully functional att version note got a fully working ITS leaked Rom before the international version did. its so unfair
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in USA ics on phone is a must have to be compared to gayphone , too many fanboys of apple and US market need new thing ASAP. In EU there is some more serious peoples take a lok at april releases of Android LTE phones ... all with ICS

damador said:
in USA ics on phone is a must have to be compared to gayphone , too many fanboys of apple and US market need new thing ASAP. In EU there is some more serious peoples take a lok at april releases of Android LTE phones ... all with ICS
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Second that. I never understood why people are so impatient about software updates...like the Note was a completely useless garbage without ICS. Anyway, we have plenty ICS roms - even better than stock, so just flash one of them and be happy.

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what the heck are you talking about?
international version had an ICS leak ages ago. sammobile had the i9220 leak and then made an n7000 version of it, this was like a month or so ago?
and whilst the att version is functional, its not without bugs. its also missing the much anticipated premium suite.

While technically he is right there has been no leak for the n7000 just the i9220. Doesn't matter really because no phone comes close to this bad boy even without ICS..
If I wanted ICS I would have bought a Nexus Prime..

Now that definitely warrants a new ICS thread...

adelmundo said:
Or the ordeal I had to deal with getting Froyo on my Samsung Epic 4G....
Besides it's a leak on AT&T. It's not even official. Who knows what problems there are still on it. Rather get a fully stable release than get a leak with bugs.
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Actually our ICS leak is fully functional. Everything works properly, runs smoothly, and our black crush even got better. So yeah I'd say it's pretty stable. It's my daily driver.
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umm if its leaked, then its not official
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Mystic38 said:
umm if its leaked, then its not official
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MrDSL said:
While technically he is right there has been no leak for the n7000 just the i9220. Doesn't matter really because no phone comes close to this bad boy even without ICS..
If I wanted ICS I would have bought a Nexus Prime..
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Exactly...

rp4k said:
I am upset that a fully functional att version note got a fully working ITS leaked Rom before the international version did. its so unfair
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First World Problems....

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First World Problems....
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So true lol.. People are having far more bigger problems in the world like hunger and so on.. And here we are.. ( myself included) .. Going trough these forums on daily basis in hope of the ICS release.
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Man... This thread is laughable to say the least... MOD, please close this thread and amalgamate into the REAL ICS discussion thread...

Reynaldinho111 said:
Cool story, bro.
For real though. Man up. Deal with it. Quit *****ing.
It'll come when it comes. I bet you never experienced the ordeal with the samsung infuse getting gingerbread
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ahaha the day after i sold my samsung infuse gb was release for it

Simple answer.
ICS on N7000 should be easier for them.
AT&T Note: Had to be modified for faster internet access so users can hit their cap faster.
China's i9220 and Intl N7000 should be about the same thing and easier todo.
And leak are just leaks, who knows how someone got access to that? Maybe we already have a fully perfect ROM for N7000 and Samsung still working out to provide roms for AT&T so ICS update can be a global thing.

Could care less
What does ICS bring to the table, other than hardware acceleration,
probably some newer apps.
The current version of GB 2.3.6 runs on my note like greased lightning.
You know good & well when ICS is released for any device, it's going to have
some of the same growing pains that GB did when it was released.
Since my Note is my business connection device, I think I'll hold off on jumping
onto the ICS bandwagon, until I know for sure it's ROCK SOLID stable.
I don't have time dealing with bugs. Thanks to you bleeding heart types though.
If it wasn't for you, we'd never be anywhere, but, I can't afford to have the
device lock up, slow down, crash etc.