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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore. Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis. I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that, and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users. Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special. I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
Simply, I absolutely LOVE my Nexus One, but i feel like it is not getting the support it deserves, and i DO NOT want this beautiful piece of technology to be obsolete by september. i hope you guys are with me on this, because i think we all know that this phone could easily be something BETTER than what it is now. and it SHOULD be able to compete with any phone within a year from now because it's Google's baby. GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money. Because, even though i feel like this is the best phone i've ever had, 1) i feel like it'll be obsolete in a few months and 2) im starting to feel like i wasted my money.
long live nexus
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The Nexus one will be the standard by which all android phones are measured for at-least another year.
Keeping everything pure AOSP is a huge plus IMO.
Official updates are slow, but code is being committed to the repository regularly and makes it on to the custom ROMS very quickly.
There is no phone out there with better features and community support than the one you have
There is no other phone on google.com/phone... so we are still the only child.
Google is trying to catch up the rest of the android world to 2.1
VZ cut them off it seems from the N1 and instead VZ gets another great Android handset.
Froyo has some much needed upgrades and will help (in theory) android solidify itself by stabilizing the platform for devs.
JIT/Flash/Market /Open GL / market upgrades are on there way if you believe the rumors.
What is it you feel is being phased out ?
Only about 500k users have an N1. Thats a miniscule amount.
Even with that we have two great devs putting out some very stable ROMS. Unlike the past N1 came with so many damn features out of box that we didnt need ROMs and Apps to add the 101 missing features.
Listen I am still up in Googles rectum about alot of features that need to be fixed/enhanced on Android. We all knew N1 was the first of the snapdragons. The others are storming in blasting taking attention away from us...but theyre all on the same team....they all bleed green =-)
Sure Id love to be slapping on Sense widgets , Moto Blur social network apps , etc...but thats up to us as a community to do it (if ever technically possible).
Anyways feel good about your purchase. You still have the best available phone on the market and will until the EVO/Iphone4G drop. And even then..youd still be top 3 at worst.
There isn't much development because there isn't much to do. The Nexus has the latest firmware and top specs. Of announced phones only the Evo and Galaxy S have significantly better specs everything else is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded Nexus. No porting apps or firmwares are needed. The only thing to really do is optimize what we have (cyanogen is doing that) and port sense UI (Paul is doing that). I'm happy with my Nexus .....for now hehe
zach I can understand the complaints about some of the nagging issues the phone has had (3G, purple tint etc.) but two things we have to realize: A majority of the users don't experience these problems, and in no way is our phone going to be obsolete anytime soon.
Here is a post I made regarding the Incredible screen, I think it's relevant here:
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Here's my take:
Would I like to have this screen in my Nexus? Yea it would have been a nice feature. Do I need this screen? No, not in the slightest.. Not yet anyways. The only apps that would require a screen like that are games, and I don't play the type of games on my phone that would require axis-crossing multitouch. I know some people do, and I can respect that but I don't, hence why I don't care about this right now.
Frankly, if you're playing those kinds of games anyways, just get an iPhone (and I'm not saying that in a bad way). iPhone is unmatched when it comes to gameplay and plus you can get them all for free if you jailbreak. Yea The Incredible has a capable screen, but do you know long it's going to take Android to catch up to Apple when it comes to game quality?? Android just got games like Racing Thunder 2 and Homerun Battle 3D while you can play Street Fighter 4 and freaking Grand Theft Auto on the iPhone! It's no competition.. if you want to game, you don't have the right phone.
By the time Android actually starts developing games and apps that can take advantage of the axis crossing MT, The Incredible will be "obsolete" (as some of you like to put it) so no need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch
With most things I normally have a realist perspective and am usually the first to 'hate' on something when its deserved, but alot of you guys are just a bunch of downers. The Incredible is a great phone as is the Nexus, everyone should just appreciate what they have! If you keep chasing the newest technology (no matter how impractical it is) you will never be satisfied!
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
Regarding the selection of ROMS.. Guys, right now we have the top of the line OS on our phones.. 2.1 is the standard, most of the G1/Magic ROMS are trying to replicate what we already have stock. Believe me, once Froyo and Android 3.0 come out the devs will be right on it and we'll get awesome ports. We have great developers who will make sure our phones have the newest software on our devices.
And if worst comes to worst and some of you decide to sell your Nexus this summer, it will have excellent resale value.
Don't worry, This is the phone Google are actively giving to developers. We'll be here for a while to come yet.
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I most definetely do not believe the nexus one will be phased out anytime soon, actually i will be ordering one tonight as a matter of fact. yes we may not have the best touch screens or the greatest rom develipment, but that is because we are still number one There are no other builds to even create until phones of this caliber runnng other os are on the scene. And for the touch screen issue, whe the time comes to where we truely need multitouch for games on the market out nexus's WILL be outdated, or there WILL be a fix for this, i mean geez Cyanogen has nearly finished a fully working Eclair for the g1 already, all i see is hope and excitment for the future of this device, the market also needs some serious time to catch up to apples games (please dont get upset with this, its true) The only thing i can see actually outdating our phones are dual processors capable of OVER 1.5 otherwise i dont believe they will be extinct, not even the 1.3 samsung will hurt the nexus i think considering we can be oc'ed to 1.3 anyways i do believe, or at least close
I don't think that we're being phased out, not until another year. Each phone that comes in the market gets compared to Nexus One.
As far as the development is concerned, its very satisfactory. Comparing the development scene between N1 an iPhone, iPhone sold nearly 50x the units of N1 sold. So most app developers have their focus on iPhone as it stands them a better chance of making more money..... But still development on N1 is much better.....
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
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I’m beginning to think some people have never bought a phone before, or a computer for that matter.
Did people expect the N1 to the absolute top spec phone forever? Seriously its still amazing compared to most, and measures up nicely in all significant ways to these new phones it keeps getting compared to. Stop trying to bury it before its even close to dead.
There is always something newer coming. No exceptions. There are phones in development now that will top the Evo and Incredible. At some point you have to buy something or you’ll wait forever.
The N1 is Google’s flag ship phone. I bought it for that reason. If Google is developing something cool (like FroYo!) its pretty much guaranteed to come to us first. Its not being phased out. I think there are exciting things to come…
You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory
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How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
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in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore.
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THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
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Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis.
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As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
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I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that
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Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
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and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
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Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special.
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If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
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I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
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Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
I don't buy it. I don't like the multitouch sensor they used for the phone, and I think the scrolling could be smoother, but what do you really expect from Google? Short of them sending out free hardware upgrades, what are you really looking for to not feel phased out?
The Nexus One is a great phone, at least for me. Even with the multitouch issues, I'm able to pull off running jumps when I play Super Mario World and the like. And that issue is allegedly being worked on with 2.2. If they flat out said the Nexus One wasn't getting 2.2 then you could make the claim of the Nexus One being phased out.
As far as network issues go, I have zero problems with my AT&T Nexus One and 3G. I live in the DC Metro area, for what it's worth. Most problems I've heard from people are all on T-Mobile. Who's to say the problem isn't on T-Mobile's side instead of Google's? Everyone blames AT&T's network for the iPhone's network issues, but it's pretty clear that the radio in the iPhone is garbage.
We live in a time where there are 1ghz processors in handheld devices. Technology is advancing so fast. It's always going to hurt when your $500+ dollar device isn't the best around anymore, but do you really want forward progress to slow down so you feel like you have the best phone longer?
I think you're being overly paranoid, if you ask me. So long as you love the phone, what do you care?
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You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
You can't compare the modding/dev community of the N1 to the iPhone anyways.
The iphone has FAR more units out there, and the Apple cult is still buying. The iPhone also has more that is needed as far as mods to make it a nice OS.
The iPhone also runs native binaries, so there seem to be a lot more standard systems written for it, or so I was told in my Q&A thread. The iPhone has full apt packaging system, full set of GNU tools, full OpenSSH suite, etc.
The iPhone also has a lot more core teams of dedicated modders, while Android seems to have 1-2, at least for the N1. This is, again, I think due to the fact that the iPhone needs more mods to make it a good OS.
Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
Not even boobs can rescue the OP's post.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
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Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete.
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Can you link these posts?
How is the N1 becoming obsolete? What are your reasons? I have yet to see any indication of this.
updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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What kind of crap is this? Yes, the N1 has received 1 update. Which is 1 more than MANY other Android phones in YEARS.
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly.
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Here's the Android source code:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Get to work!
GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money
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Give more WHAT?
Enjoy the wave for as long as it lasts... which will be a long time
Tech wise phones go obsolete much faster than a PC ever would for the simple fact that you are in a closed environment. You can't upgrade the RAM, graphics or CPU on one of these things so shelf life is in terms of months not years. But that's not to say that support will go away for the N1 any time soon. OP is just acknowledging/exhibiting the mid-life crisis that the N1 is in currently. It's still the flagship product and a benchmark for every phone slated to be released this year. Next year may be different--hell I'm sure it will be--but for now, we're good and there's enough power that it'll still be viable 2 years from now. If you need a current tangible example, just look at how many G1's there are out there and how long that phone has been out.
I came from the dismally dysfunctional land of the Epix from Samsung where between them and AT&T, they couldn't figure out who was suppose to be doing the obligatory reach-around. With the N1 there are no more worries about the carrier holding up the updates for a fix to a major problem introduced by another fix almost a year prior for an infantile notification issue., there are no more issues with contractual obilgations to corporate partnerships (Yahoo) with draconian imposed restrictions to enforce it(backflip) and mostly there's no more waiting for the mfg to finally update their license to a newer version OS if they even bother going that route to begin with. Open architecture, open software and an infinite amount of potential for old and new phones is why I'm here and I'm sure a bunch of others are too.
So to anyone else reading this and especially to Sprint customers that are waiting for the N1, catch the wave however you want(N1, Evo, etc) but enjoy it for what it is--a long great ride and loads of fun--cowabunga!
Did somebody say boobs? Er, was I supposed to get something else out of this?
As of late, it seems as if less and less builds are being updated and less new builds emerge, specifically in the Sense department.
The developers we do have are dedicated and talented, but they're not many.
It's evident that with newer better devices in the market, a developer is more likely to pick up a new Sensation or at least SenseHD than an HD2.
I'd say as a result of the dwindling supply (and demand) of hard-core HD2 developers, less progress is being made in other fields such as drivers and libraries, the more 'hard-core' problems.
Also, MAGLDR and CLK, while both good in their own way, haven't been updated in ages (and while they are both amazing accomplishments, there is always work to be done).
Now you might ask me 'why are you complaining'? Well, I'm not - I'm thankful to just being able to run Android on my aging yet incredibly powerful device, and I'll take anything I can get. I'm just wondering if I'm imagining things, or if the HD2 has really been pushed to it's limits software-wise?
Hi,
As far as the SENSE issue goes,devs have pretty much reached the limit of development.
This is due to the lack of graphics libs from the source kernels held back by HTC.
Imilka has stated that he will not do any further development until these are released by HTC.
Any development at the moment is more of a sideways movement,rather than going forwards in leaps and bounds.
I think that you are suffering badly from ORD and you should seek solace from THIS THREAD.
You are right .There is new blood on the horizon in the shape of the Sensation and EVO 3D,but until they get unlocked bootloaders,I'll be returning to these pages for my ROM updating fixes,however infrequent they might be.
Sense 3 and the HD2
I have seen some nice things happening, and you may be right. Seems development is slowing. There seems to be even less in the EU versions of the phone. is it time to move on? maybe. I loved this phone, and that's why I bought it. I just hope it's a lull, and not the shape of things to come. (not yet at least.)
What is going to be the next great HTC phone that gets support like the HD2 did? I actually look to XDA to see what to buy Android wise. I always want something that looks like its going to be around for a while, and if its got lots of XDA attention, then that's what I want.
Im thinking to myself I love my Atrix its specs beat or match that of phones that just came out in the past weeks or due out in coming months.Now what specs would you say are future proof for ICS and new Dualcore super apps for android? IMO 1ghz Dualcore any chip or Soc don't matter 1Gig Ram but some might say 512 or 768 if you own a sensation being the way Android uses the Os how much is needed.Now when it comes to screen size well this is user based but screen Res I would say it changes some will say Qhd will be future proof but other devices like the nexus prime show a 720p screen so is that future proof? As far as storage we have 16 gigs built in witch is great beating the sensation and g2x along with others could this make our device or others with the same specs proofed some might say the OEMs play a part in updating but who knows my point is I would like 2 answers from you people the Atrix is it Proofed and what makes a future proof device at this point? I mean if you say that the Atrix is not proofed for what ever reason would mean your saying the photon / Sensation. / G2X / All Verizon dualcore phones/ Evo 3D are not future proofed so where is the line in witch we start to proof phones if there is any proof the way Android hardware moves it could be a game a made up word to keep us back for more when in fact a single core 512 device I.E. nexus S is very much Future proofed. WHAT YOU THINK?
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Nexus brand phones are always future proof as devs love working on them due to their stock nature. Other than that, it really just comes down to what phones are popular. I would not say the Atrix is future proof due to the fact that most devs abandoned the platform early in its life due to the locked bootloader. Even now the only roms we have are deoxed based ROMs and an unoffical CM7 port. It basically comes down to what phone is popular during each product cycle. For CDMA, it would be the thunderbolt at the moment. For GSM, it's the SGS2 by a landslide. Pretty much anywhere but this subforum, people are recommending the SGS2 as the android phone of choice if you are on a GSM network. It has a big dev following mostly due in part to how popular it is. People can argue all they want about how the Atrix is a superior phone, but the facts are that the Atrix flopped in sales whereas the SGS2 totally dominated globally.
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Nexus brand phones are always future proof as devs love working on them due to their stock nature. Other than that, it really just comes down to what phones are popular. I would not say the Atrix is future proof due to the fact that most devs abandoned the platform early in its life due to the locked bootloader. Even now the only roms we have are deoxed based ROMs and an unoffical CM7 port. It basically comes down to what phone is popular during each product cycle. For CDMA, it would be the thunderbolt at the moment. For GSM, it's the SGS2 by a landslide. Pretty much anywhere but this subforum, people are recommending the SGS2 as the android phone of choice if you are on a GSM network. It has a big dev following mostly due in part to how popular it is. People can argue all they want about how the Atrix is a superior phone, but the facts are that the Atrix flopped in sales whereas the SGS2 totally dominated globally.
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Yea but what your talking about is choice im talking specs not whats hot being hot has nothing to do with future proof more less sales
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Devs do have a favor in future proofing a phone. Im sure development has slowed down a lot for nexus one and itll start slowing soon nexus s. But generally the most powerful phone have a chance at being future proof. The sgs2 is fixing to get left behind i think with next generation of phones. I didn't know they were titty babies about their pride and joy. Anyways, the first quad core and nexus are probably going to be where its at.
Iphone > galaxy s 2.
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Devs do have a favor in future proofing a phone. Im sure development has slowed down a lot for nexus one and itll start slowing soon nexus s. But generally the most powerful phone have a chance at being future proof. The sgs2 is fixing to get left behind i think with next generation of phones. I didn't know they were titty babies about their pride and joy. Anyways, the first quad core and nexus are probably going to be where its at.
That's my point at what point does it end I think that any dualcore device out now should be proofed
Iphone > galaxy s 2.
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Yea but what your talking about is choice im talking specs not whats hot being hot has nothing to do with future proof more less sales
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Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.
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Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.
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This is almost spot on to what I was gonna exactly say.
SGS still has a HUGE support following. Once something as small as 2.3.5 gets leaked, the SGS section will go crazy wuth updated ROMS just like it has with the previous FWs.
If you are an early adopter, you will are taking a gamble with ANY phone.
But with Android, IMO it is critical in terms of future proofing to find a phone supported by devs.
(For non XDA users I'd recommend Nexus, and nothing else)
Devs decide the lifespan of a device more than the hardware itself. Even the G1 and the OG Droid/Milestone still gets supported.
That's why many companies are changing their policies and leaving BL unlocked, because it's truly in their best interest...
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Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.
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That's a good point people are getting all worked up over the gs2 is there a list if future android apps that there can run on there phone and not any other phone ? Cause at days end we can run the same apps that make android Android
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no device is really future proof anymore. as has been stated already its up to the devs.
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I want the Atrix to live forever!
Maybe we should make it worth it for the devs to get involved. I've seen countless times communities placing a $$bounty for the dev/team that gets X feature working.
XDA forums should implement such a system. That way it would pay-off to dev for the underdog, since everyone else would be fighting for the pop/novelty.
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That's a good point people are getting all worked up over the gs2 is there a list if future android apps that there can run on there phone and not any other phone ? Cause at days end we can run the same apps that make android Android
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You missed the point of my posts completely. I am saying that the SGS2 will last far longer than the Atrix in terms of lifespan due to the simple fact that the SGS2 has a much bigger fanbase and therefore many more devs working on it.
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You missed the point of my posts completely. I am saying that the SGS2 will last far longer than the Atrix in terms of lifespan due to the simple fact that the SGS2 has a much bigger fanbase and therefore many more devs working on it.
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They said the same thing about the Droid1. I've still got one of those for my work phone. I've completely uninstalled all nonstock apps just so the damn thing will run all day.
I agree with this line of thought as well. "Popular" phones continue to receive support for much longer, whether it be official or through the dev community. "Specs" can only get a phone so far on a technical scale but the incentive lies in where the money is at.
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Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.
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This is almost spot on to what I was gonna exactly say.
SGS still has a HUGE support following. Once something as small as 2.3.5 gets leaked, the SGS section will go crazy wuth updated ROMS just like it has with the previous FWs.
If you are an early adopter, you will are taking a gamble with ANY phone.
But with Android, IMO it is critical in terms of future proofing to find a phone supported by devs.
(For non XDA users I'd recommend Nexus, and nothing else)
Devs decide the lifespan of a device more than the hardware itself. Even the G1 and the OG Droid/Milestone still gets supported.
That's why many companies are changing their policies and leaving BL unlocked, because it's truly in their best interest...
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I was thinking this thread looked familiar. I noticed the OP had already started a thread based on almost the same premise here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241063
The reason I bring this up is this forum has become redundant enough just with noobs but to have the same person basically ask the same question and to do it by starting new threads, well.....
barry99705 said:
They said the same thing about the Droid1. I've still got one of those for my work phone. I've completely uninstalled all nonstock apps just so the damn thing will run all day.
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Meh I recently sold my Motorola Milestone (GSM Droid). I had no problems running it on stock Froyo at all with plenty if Apps installed on my SD.
The "only" reason why I sold it was because it still had resale value. I got $200 for it, which wasn't that much less than what I originally paid for it.
Otherwise the OG Droid/Milestone is "still" a solid device...
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"Future-proof" to me is:
1. can it run everything? (i.e. processor/graphic intensive apps)
2. will it get stable CM? (this would likely ensure ICS)
The Atrix certainly gets a check for #1 and seems likely to get a check for #2. That's enough for me to keep from chasing after the next big thing. We'll likely get ICS from the CM team and keep chugging well into 2012.
i believe that the Atrix is future proof, but u kno a lot of people are bandwagon users, i've seen so many of them in the Atrix forum. As before the atrix came out, they were claiming it was gonna be the best phone to come out this year(which i think it is OVERALL so far), then some moved to the inspire and tried to call the Atrix crap until they used it the inspire for a while, found out it wasn't better, then came back to the Atrix saying it's the best, now the SGS2 is coming out and now their calling the Atrix crap smh....Now i seen the SGS2, it's a nice phone, but in OVERALL specs, i would have to say that the Atrix is better, but that's my opinion. Yea the SGS2 has a nice screen, but i think the Atrix's Qhd looks better(some may agree some may not), another reason is the Atrix having the largest STOCK battery(yea i know their's extended batteries, but they make your phone look bulky and you'll have to use a different back cover and most likely won't be able to use the case you once had) in a phone to date which helps when i'm goin on trips, having a busy day, etc. without having to carry around a charger or extra battery. There's plenty of other comparisons that i could make, but don't feel like going down that loooong list of stuff. I am nowhere near biased in my opinions, i never said that the SGS2 didn't have any advantages over the Atrix, i went on OVERALL specs, i might end up getting the SGS2 or the new Nexus device when they come out after i see watch multiple reviews to weigh out their pros and cons, but i don't know......maybe
For me the only device capable of being "future proof" is the device you feel more comfortable with, for work, play, lesisure and whatnot whithout sacrifices*.
In my case the Atrix has been a great device (and a keeper) because i can:
1. Mod it
2. Play the latest and greatest THD games.
3. Simplify my work with Logmein and such through the pretty convinient Lapdock accessory.
4. Great battery life
5. Great photo and video camera for those quick shots of the family
6. Use it without ugly, bulky bullet-proof casings because the battery cover is easily replaceable and very cheap to get and it basically protects the corners of the phone, which for some reason are the prime spots that get damage by use on any phone.
7. Great specs (RAM, Storage, qHD LCD Screen, Huge Battery, Expansion< etc)
* And when I mentioned 'without sacrifices' I meant that I can use my device without fear of wearing out the screen like on other devices that make use of such 'wonderful' AMOLED, S-AMOLED and variants that degrades over time.
Cheers!
Rayan
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Although I want devs to continue using and creating new stuff this great device, it really just doesn't matter too much for me down the road. I know I'll still have this phone 3 years from now doing the same thing I use it for today. Games, Netflix, Youtube, and browsing the web.
I don't upgrade my phone much, but I believe this time it was a great choice. When it boils down to it, as long as it plays all the new games a year or 2 from now from the market, it's still a great device for me.
Emulators are already possible for the Atrix, so it's not like I'm going to run out of games to play. Which is why I hated my iPhone 3g so much. That device would have never ran PSX games like my Atrix.
Nothing is future proof. As I type this message it's old news.. We should look at the things we do daily with our devices the common things, can you type a text message faster? Are you gonna post a Twitter response faster? Majority of people aren't past needing a great device like the Atrix. I mean the iPhone 4S isn't killing the Atrix as far as specs go. Camera on the iphone will be nicer not to do the mp but the overall optics. Just my 2 cents...this post is already not future - proof
Hey guys..
I think we should gather some thousands of Nexus 1 users, that would agree to sign a letter we can send to google, requesting official ICS release for the Nexus one.
we were all disappointed about not releasing the ICS for nexus one.. so let's just try and maybe google will listen up and try to give us the release..
Google promised every android phone will be supported for at least 3 years.. well, nexus one is not 3 years old.. so y shouldnt it be updated??
Who is In? and DO any1 have any idea about how we should do it the best way?
Edit: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ics-on-nexus-one/
link for the petition
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hey this needs to be posted in a different section, not the development area..
on your subject, meh, as is the N1 has very little memory for apps, so in that regard i understand why they refrain from updating the os, since they would get complaints from users that dont mod their phones. so i understand, i can wait for cm9.
As long as driver support is there I see no reason to stick with an official version due to the storage limitations. I fully agree with the above post about people who don't root their phones not being able to install their every day applications due to the amount of storage.
Plus it's my opinion that online petitions do nothing so I won't even waste my time. Also, you should have probably let someone else write a better petition with less grammatical errors and some proper punctuation would have been a plus.
I think asking for an official release is stretching it, and they arent releasing it for a reason. Asking them to release all the drivers/libs we need to build our own from source would be a reasonable ask. That way they are not responsible for the experimental nature of any roms produced.
Also, updating Android 2.3.x to higher versions(to 2.3.8 and higher) with bugfixes and some minor features counts also as supporting a device in my opinion.
ICS is just to big for the Nexus One's storage.
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ICS is just to big for the Nexus One's storage.
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We dont need an official as we gave many great devs to make one for our lovely old nexus one, we can resize our partition via BlackRose...
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Sorry to be a downer, but this won't do anything.
As much as I would love to see an "official" ICS release for the Nexus One... I don't think it is possible for Google to release one because the N1 specs don't measure up to the ICS requirements...
To quote an article in ExtremeTech... which IMHO makes complete sense...
Let’s start with the Snapdragon S1 SoC, which is downright old, having first shipped in 2009. The clock speed is fine, but the chip does less work each clock cycle than newer Qualcomm processors. Of greater concern is the Adreno 200 GPU which is capable of just a fraction of the performance seen in other GPUs. Android 4.0 makes use of hardware acceleration for 2D drawing, so a sluggish GPU could be an issue.
Perhaps the most serious impediment to the Nexus One getting Ice Cream Sandwich is the small storage space. We aren’t talking about user-accessible SD storage, but the internal ROM where apps and the operating system reside. The Nexus One was designed by Google and HTC to have just 512MB of ROM, 190MB of which was dedicated to user apps.
Anyone that used the Nexus for any length of time probably remembers bumping up against that storage limit. ICS is going to be larger than Gingerbread was, and it is very possible that it just doesn’t fit on the internal storage, or if it does, it might take up a large part of the app storage space. This would not be an upgrade in the true sense of the word for users.
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The best we can hope for is a community release... and this should be good enough...
twistedsixty4 said:
hey this needs to be posted in a different section, not the development area..
on your subject, meh, as is the N1 has very little memory for apps, so in that regard i understand why they refrain from updating the os, since they would get complaints from users that dont mod their phones. so i understand, i can wait for cm9.
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All Google would have to do is make a MTP Compliant Driver that works for Nexus One. And put a requirement of 2GB or something for a SD card. Expanding it to having 2GB for system/apps.
Or Easier if they decide not to go the MTP route with Nexus One, push an update with part 1 of 2. Part 2 being extra's that are not necessary for the phone, allowing the applications to be installed to SD.
Official ICS port would be nice, as it must be fully functional to those who are not-familiar-with-development.
But if CM9 work flawlessly, there'd no need to get an official rom.
I will just wait till January, when CM9 comes out.
I agree with what you're saying, but I will not sign such a poorly written petition. Rewrite that **** and let me know when it's presentable. Respect.
I was talking with a Google Engineer (my seatmate on a flight from SFO) and he said that if Google were to release an official Ice Cream Sandwich update for the Nexus One it would have to renamed "Ice Cream Scoop", because so much of ICS would have to be removed in order for it to work properly.
He felt that the processor/GPU while not as fast as say other devices, is fast enough (to be acceptable) but there is simply not enough storage space. Apparently, Google did try to make ICS work on the Nexus One and he said many people at Google were disappointed that it could not be done, he included, but it was not from lack of trying.
For whatever it worth, the guy seemed genuine and we spent the better part of the flight talking about the Mobile space and Android in particular.
Dan
I wouldn't expect to hear anything different form a Google employee, but would take any comments made with a grain of salt.
The N1 has had hardware limitations & problems from day one, & the responsibility ultimately falls on Google IMO. It carries the Google name & was released & sold directly by Google, going through I'm sure a rigorous testing process before release.
It's sad that in hindsight I think the Nexus One was a pretty poorly designed and supported phone. It has major hardware issues like storage, the power button, and the touchscreen, among other minor things, like not being able to switch SIM cards without removing the battery.
Software wise, everyone thought because it's a Google phone, it would be supported for a while, but it really hasn't. Looking back, it only received one real update that worked well, froyo. While gingerbread came es well, it just introduced bugs that weren't there before, most notably, GPS locking, which has yet to be fixed.
If ICS wouldn't work well because of the memory limitations then fine, but at the very least, fix the existing issues with GB.
Time for a new device
I love the Nexus One just as much as the next person. But I'm ready for a new phone. More Ram, more Cores, less power consumption. It's time for my Nexus One to go to the electronics graveyard. It'll be a nice backup. But the phone is showing it's age. It's gotten a lot smoother with every iteration of CM, but it still stutters in the market and various other places. Hardware acceleration needs to be implemented and I want more speed and that beautiful screen on the Galaxy Nexus. Somebody needs to start selling the 32gb GSM Tmobile/ATT version somewhere, anywhere...
negroplasty said:
I agree with what you're saying, but I will not sign such a poorly written petition. Rewrite that **** and let me know when it's presentable. Respect.
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Pretty much. The double full stops.. and question marks?? Lack of capitalisation, and spelling "you" "U". Poor grammar, poor spelling. Something you could get away with writing on here, but ot the sort of thing you write in a formal letter to a company.
It understandable. My Nexus One ran out of memory for apps all the times. There is no reason that ICS will have smaller size than stock gingerbread. In that case, the balance memory for apps will be even smaller.
I was not expecting to get ICS upgrade from official release.
signed, ahihihi
zaher.bahouth said:
Hey guys..
I think we should gather some thousands of Nexus 1 users, that would agree to sign a letter we can send to google, requesting official ICS release for the Nexus one.
we were all disappointed about not releasing the ICS for nexus one.. so let's just try and maybe google will listen up and try to give us the release..
Google promised every android phone will be supported for at least 3 years.. well, nexus one is not 3 years old.. so y shouldnt it be updated??
Who is In? and DO any1 have any idea about how we should do it the best way?
Edit: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ics-on-nexus-one/
link for the petition
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I highly doubt about this will be useful.
Better ask google to release just the compatible proprietary drivers so developers make the rest.
Today is pretty much a sad day for Samsung, ICS and Android in general, in my opinion.
Androids latest version, ICS, has been released about 5 months ago. Today, the most important Android device available on the planet, has not yet seen an update to this latest version yet, and I think that is something to be ashamed of. As a pretty normal user, I don't know and don't really care how much development goes on before releasing a new version, but a company that sells 300 million handsets in a year (of which at least 20 million of this type of handset that have cost the user somewhere between 400 and 550 euro's) I expect some more dedication to deliver a finished product worthy of it's name, fame and money. Google should be very upset that their latest product stays more or less hidden from public for about 6 months in this high paced market because multi-billion multinationals choose to dedicate too few people to get the software side of things sorted out.
All the false rumours don't really add to the experience of having a top-end device. Countless piles of crap have been pushed out by various dubious sources simply because Samsung does not wish to pin itself to a date. They knew, that people would have been outraged if they had stated in october that ICS would be released on the Android phone as much as half a year later. Instead, they let the irritation smolder and only give some vague hints once or twice during the whole period.
In my opinion, smartphone use is not as much about hardware as many of the Android manufacturers and users would like to see. The race for top specs will probably look quite ridiculous a few years from now. The secret to having an amazing device has it's foundation in good hardware (not neccesarily top notch hardware though) and esthetics/design, but without proper software this foundation will still be only a foundation. Nobody likes to own the best foundation in the world when there are no walls, windows, furniture, household appliances and great looks and functionality to make the living pleasureable. Off course, Samsung does provide us with all that in some way or another, but it is lagging behind seriously, especially compared to the competing major OS'es.
Naturally, every Android user has the possibility to blast everything off the foundation and build something custom on it, being either Samsung stuff with some extra things and paint added or removed, or being prefab Cyanogenmod or MIUI or whatever, but unfortunately this argument is worth almost nothing since it is again Samsung who decides when the bits and pieces become available for custom building, and this is lagging even further behind than their own software building, much to the irritation of the developers of custom firmware.
So, to sum it up, I think this has been a praticularly bad day for all SGS2 Android smartphone lovers. And being beaten to it by some other competing manufacturer does not help!
Thanks for listening
Dude, relax. It is just a phone. An nice one, but still a phone.
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You do know Samsung don't have to release an update right?
Next time get a Nexus device, any other flavoured Android build takes time for adaptation and I'll rather they did a good job than rush a half baked build.
Your rant suggests you lack a fundamental understanding of the process.
Huge post lol
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i would rather have a stable rom with a bit of delay than a buggy one (doesnt apply to cyanogen mod )
and what are you on about its been about 3 months from the release of galaxy nexus
and anyways ics is coming tomorrow
we did have beta roms from december and we could see samsung patching bugs in each successive build this is what xda is we all work together to make our devices better and better
Stop moaning, HTC have just started rolling out ICS in certain regions, what about other Android manufacturers? Where's LG, where's Motorola? Where are their ICS leaks etc etc applies to all.
Each manufacturer has their own overlay on top of ICS this takes time and testing to get it right, it's a few months late oh well at least 2.3.6 is running fine though, there's no need for Samsung to update our phones to ICS they're a business do you think they care how long we have to wait no, they'd rather make money and focus on getting ICS running on their next flagship model then current flagship.
We will get it just a matter of when, if you don't like it get a Nexus, also made by Samsung.
All these posts bashing Samsung its just all the tech blogs making things worse!
If you dont like it get an iPhone or better yet a symbian device!
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lol, u mad
I would like the OP to tell me one thing that he/she can do on ICS that they can't do on gingerbread. And make it a decent example and not something like "monitor data usage" which I agree is nice to be built in but nothing that can't be done already with an app.
The way this post has been worded with all the "house/foundation" metaphor you would think that the SGS2 doesn't work at all atm and needs ICS to make it functional, which we all know is rubbish.
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@bluefa1con ICS is not coming tomorrow, they went back on their word this morning.
anyway, you're right, and i'm a bit disappointed because Samsung have been best buddy with Google since Google Dev Day 2011, they have access to early build of their OS, they even produced 2 Nexus phones for them, there's a huge meaning behind this, but still, Samsung waited till the last moment to start working on their flagship device, first leaked build started coming out after official ics aosp release, and their work is progressing very slowly, but, like someone before me said, it's just a phone, i just love playing around with it, and i don't mind waiting till april/may for a stable rom, all i want from them are kernel sources.
I completly agree with OP-post.
My rage is simple, I mean, We're the owners of the fastest and best device in 2011 and we still didnt even had a actual DATE. The only thing, that was said: "Q1 2012". If I remember correctly, they said that Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note will have the update at Q1.
But let me tell you this, if they're still delaying date, and giving wrong info at their official(!) website, it seems that SGS2 ICS is not ready or something, that means that Galaxy Note is even out of place, probably, it will have the update somewhere at Q2 of 2012. It's totally unacceptable from such big and sucessful company as Samsung. We can't trust them, simply, they say one thing, tomorrow it will be "wrong" or something.
Samsung making great devices, and I love them, but the thing as they communicate with their customers, with their community - is just unacceptable. They won so much awards for their phone, and they, still, can't release their update to us.
Next time, i'll go to pure Google Phone.
Sorry for my poor English.
It is simple..they just dont respect us..hope there will be day they pay for this..
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dorian95 said:
I completly agree with OP-post.
My rage is simple, I mean, We're the owners of the fastest and best device in 2011 and we still didnt even had a actual DATE. The only thing, that was said: "Q1 2012". If I remember correctly, they said that Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note will have the update at Q1.
But let me tell you this, if they're still delaying date, and giving wrong info at their official(!) website, it seems that SGS2 ICS is not ready or something, that means that Galaxy Note is even out of place, probably, it will have the update somewhere at Q2 of 2012. It's totally unacceptable from such big and sucessful company as Samsung. We can't trust them, simply, they say one thing, tomorrow it will be "wrong" or something.
Samsung making great devices, and I love them, but the thing as they communicate with their customers, with their community - is just unacceptable. They won so much awards for their phone, and they, still, can't release their update to us.
Next time, i'll go to pure Google Phone.
Sorry for my poor English.
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Same here mate..Those guys who have the GNEX are having the last laugh now. They even got a HTC sense 4.0 port as well those lucky bastards....I am gonna hold off till that release instead of going for the s3
About a year ago HTC decide to close their phones. That's why i decide to change to Samsung. And with me a lot of other HTC users. You are wright. This is not the way to communicate with your customers. This Samsung phone is my first and last one.
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Think about it this way a large proportion of users don't give a crap about what firmware is running on their phone as long as it works, us geeks or enthusiasts may give a crap, but my sister has got an S2, several other work colleagues have them to and none of them even know about custom roms and such let alone an update to ICS so to the mass it's not a major priority in having the latest or greatest firmware as long as they can use their phones that's what they care about.
Several work colleagues are still on the original firmware and I've told them to update but they don't care or don't have the technological ability to do so.
There is a higher percentage of normal users compared to us at XDA who make a minority.
And for those who say this will be their last Samsung device good for you, go buy a Nexus oh wait that's made by Samsung as well! I'll continue to enjoy my device running on gingerbread which works beautifully also knowing the fact it's still the best phone available currently apart from the Note which I consider a niche and better than the s2.
If you want aosp buy a Nexus otherwise deal with the fact that it takes longer to get an update. It's the way it is on Android, look at the other manufacturers as well its common. That's the problem with an open source system compared to iOS where there are a selected few devices so updates are quicker to roll out on the product lines.
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So what is next after ics update? There are going to be complaints that ics is bad, its touch wiz bla bla bla.
Ics is not going to turn your phone into super powered alien or going to give you 10 days backup. Why can't you people just wait.
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So what is next after ics update? There are going to be complaints that ics is bad, its touch wiz bla bla bla.
Ics is not going to turn your phone into super powered alien or going to give you 10 days backup. Why can't you people just wait.
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Why does Touchwiz still look the same, along those lines.... Why is it still green, etc etc.
TouchWiz 5 will be for the next flagship.
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I like GB.
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You do know Samsung don't have to release an update right?
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As in a contractual obligation? No indeed, I know that. But aparently (look around here on XDA) it is expected. Dissapoint customers too long, and you will be ditched for the one who doesn't.
Frostfree said:
Next time get a Nexus device, any other flavoured Android build takes time for adaptation and I'll rather they did a good job than rush a half baked build.
Your rant suggests you lack a fundamental understanding of the process.
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Yeah, because getting a Nexus device will get you there quicker Most Nexus S users are still waiting on their update to ICS since updating was stopped at dec 20th.
And somewhere in my post I did mention myself that I lack fundamental understanding of the process of building firmware for handsets, thanks for repeating that to me. That doesn't mean I'm unable to compare this process to other processes and draw conclusions as a customer.
Updating on Android is slow and ceases quickly (this will probably be the last major update for the SGS2 already), so when developing stuff for Android you need to take at least 5 different versions of the OS into concideration because the market shares of the versions are very fragmented. A nuisance for developers, and also for users stuck on Froyo for example who cannot install some app because the developer chose to only build it for 2.3+ to save some time and money.
If you guys dont care that much, why you're replaying to this kind of threads?
The only thing I am talking about, is lack of communication between customer and Samsung. How the hell they can give fresh news about ICS update on their official website, and then, immidiatly, deleting it, and telling in twitter something about "wrong date". How cool is that?
They can at least say one time 100% date, but they're just keep all in secret, that's not the good way how they should treat to custumers of best device in 2011.
I'm still shocked how Galaxy Note users keep waiting for it, one leak, no news, no everything. Obviously, Sammy didnt release ICS for them in March, then, their saying about "Galaxy Note & Galaxy S2 ICS in Q1 2012" is wrong.