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Within the past week I migrated from the ROM-crazy Touch Pro to a Samsung Moment, and I'm disappointed to find that while XDA has a thriving Android community, there's barely a mention of the Moment. This is perplexing, as the Moment seems to be a very strong device.
I have found the SDX website and appreciate the good work going on over there, but it's a pretty small (though talented!) community. I would expect the Moment to gain more of a following if it were to get more exposure. Is there a reason XDA does not have a forum for this device? How would one go about requesting a new forum?
being a Moment and a CDMA Hero User i was wondering the same thing. :\
rattlez33 said:
Within the past week I migrated from the ROM-crazy Touch Pro to a Samsung Moment, and I'm disappointed to find that while XDA has a thriving Android community, there's barely a mention of the Moment. This is perplexing, as the Moment seems to be a very strong device.
I have found the SDX website and appreciate the good work going on over there, but it's a pretty small (though talented!) community. I would expect the Moment to gain more of a following if it were to get more exposure. Is there a reason XDA does not have a forum for this device? How would one go about requesting a new forum?
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This is a HTC device forum so no wonder the SAMSUNG Moment doesn't have its own forum. You can post things about the Moment in the Android Software Development section though.
I considered that, but then I noticed the Samsung Omnia and various Palm, Toshiba, and LG devices had XDA forums.
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I considered that, but then I noticed the Samsung Omnia and various Palm, Toshiba, and LG devices had XDA forums.
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No love for the Moment And I have one too
Reason would be because the XDA dev's would be pretty worthless (not an attack on them, just a statement of the following fact) at modifying and developing specific for the samsung moment. It utilizies different hardware and software that isn't found on any other android device (bits and pieces are found on other samsung devices only)... For example, the samsung moment utilizes a ONEnand chip and RFS (a samsung propritary) file system...
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I considered that, but then I noticed the Samsung Omnia and various Palm, Toshiba, and LG devices had XDA forums.
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I heard a mod said that those devices parts were made by htc and the phone was put together by htc. kinda like the nexus one thing.
Samsung Mobile and Sprint announced today that the Samsung Moment has been selected as the first phone to showcase a demonstration of a Mobile Digital TV chip.
Samsung and its Moment may not be mainstream like Motorola but I like the Moment and can't wait for the 2.1 update coming in late March or April. Should make it a better device with the improvements. At least that's the theory...
there is a forum for moment. i had it in my bookmarks but i had to do a reinstall on my comp so im searching for it again atm cuz i didnt save bookmarks.
Sadly the admins don't have time to read every thread in this forum... so it might be a better idea mentioning this in the following thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616206
This is monitored by the admins.
Dave
Indeed.. I already posted a request for the Galaxy(S) and the Spica in the request forum. If you want others, just go post your demand in following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616206
There is already a forum for Samsung (Android) devices.
Most Samsung users go to the SDX forum as XDA is an HTC Dev forum. I'd recommend checking there, first, as they have done A LOT in the way of development/modding/hacking/theming for the Moment.
The structure of the information provided in the guides can be a little hard to follow at first, but the guides are rather good. ROM/Update flashing is (often too) simple and the rooting process is automated in update.zip format, now.
Link: hxxp://sdx-developers.com
Personally, as a Moment user, I utilize both XDA and SDX, as great info can be found in both forums.
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Personally, as a Moment user, I utilize both XDA and SDX, as great info can be found in both forums.
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Same here.
TO MODERATORS:
before you remove this thread --- please read:
I started to get a little p*ssed off regarding the infrequency of updates and lack of actual benefits to being a "groupie" for Galnet... so I posted this on the forums...
"
BBenefits of being a groupie right now:
None.
Reasons:
-there are already several implementations of MIUIV4 for the SGS2 based on work by Team Hacksung. I would have thought this was something Galnet would already have a release for with similar functionaity.... in reality... no...
-the changes made my the Galnet team are rather minimal over the weekly updates provided by the MIUI team already
-lack of frequency of updates, lack of actual changes from stock versions - half part of the previous reason, and half because you would expect a modified version of a ROM to be modified more often than it's "stock" counterpart.
-reverting to stock animations in MIUI builds... this is an attractive feature which might actually encourage more folk to sign up, yet seems to have just been excluded from weekly builds....
Can I just make raise something worth discussing please in that the reason the forums are so completely void of any discussion (which roughly translates as "interest") is because there is almost nothing happening.
If there are lots of things happening in the background, you need to let people know. Before you start flaming me, I've paid less money for PC games that took years to develop and are still being updated on a regular basis. I understand that paying to be a groupie wasn't just for our benefit, but to aid and encourage development, but it's certainly not marketed as a "donation"... it's marketed as a subscription... and since I joined.. there has been 1 or 2 releases...
Please do not flame me purely because you are passionate about open source development and because you don't think we have a "right" to complain... but I am starting to understand why Galnet has become the swear word of the XDA environment.
........ "
Don't want to discourage development and be unfair to the competion -- but my last comment pretty much sums up the issue...
EDIT:
I will not post links to what I am talking about, those who are aware will already know who/what I am referring to.
I stopped using Galnet as I found releases a number of days late and they seemed to get worse and worse (their reaction to their rom not booting correctly was 're-wipe and reflash before rebooting after first install....why not just fix that and re-upload it...).
As soon as I saw they were using their forums to advertise their web design services I decided to not bother checking back. Clearly not making enough from their groupie system...Probably for the reasons you posted.
I was "THIS" close to join the groupie back in the "chameleon" days but i was lucky that i changed my mind. Galnet has depreciated and i dont have any faith in them anymore. They used to be a quick and fast release group eventhough people label em as zipper/cooker but now, its almost dead.
Plus i live in the world where Galnet only release much for NexusS and GalaxyS so, bye bye Galnet. Your zipping work has been pleasant for me all these while curing my tears upon Bmarko leaving MIUI development
Galnet ROMs are banned from XDA for several reasons, not the least of which is GPL violations.
So, I don't see how discussing this little drama in the GSII General Section serves any purpose whatsoever but to bring nonsense that the overwhelming majority of people here could not care less about.
Closed.
> Abstract: I have consolidating a complete, monolithic, and community editable guide to the HTC HD2, since none has existed prior. Come in and help with the guide.
The HTC HD2 is probably one of the most awesome devices ever made, with a long-running developer community, attracted by the HD2's ability to run a dizzying array of operating systems
Unfortunately, owing to it's messy evolution, the guides for most devices on XDA are, (quite honestly, no offense), outdated and disorganized, divided among tons of guides and maintained by OPs who may or may not be active. The reality is, forums are great for development and asking questions, but they are bad for constantly fluctuating guides that demand community support. The result is the status quo on XDA; newbies constantly asking "obvious" questions about methods and issues long since solved.
To rectify this situation, I have been creating a complete, monolithic, and community editable guide to the HD2. It takes you all the way from boring ol' Windows Mobile 6 to the greatness of triple-booting Windows Phone 7, Android, and full-blown Linux on one phone. It will also give readers a few tips and tricks for troubleshooting common problems, and using the phone in general.
https://github.com/bibanon/android-development-codex/wiki/HTC-HD2
This guide is part of the Android Development Codex, an initative to create a customized and functionally complete modding guide for every device we can get our hands on.The entire thing is stored on Github Wiki, so you can edit it if you have a github account.
## The Android Development Codex is not finished! Why are you releasing it now?
Originally, I was going to keep the Android Development Codex an anniversary secret until all the guides for the devices I owned were complete. However, a new project called "XDA University" is being started, so am prematurely releasing my work to the community and awaiting further developments. As a result, only the HTC HD2 and the HTC Droid Incredible have functionally complete guides at the moment.
If anyone knows the people who have a hand in creating the XDA University, please PM me, because I have some very good insight and great ideas to make that project a success, not to mention data.
> Abstract: I have consolidating a complete, monolithic, and community editable guide to the HTC Droid Incredible, since none has existed prior. Come in and help with the guide.
The HTC Droid Incredible was a top phone at launch, and with some work, remains a top phone today with ICS working nicely. Due to Verizon's shenanigans, what started as a one-click root degenerated into a grueling procedure of unlocks and downgrades.
Owing to XDA's messy evolution, the guides for most devices on the forums are, (quite honestly, no offense), outdated and disorganized, divided among tons of guides and maintained by OPs who may or may not be active. The reality is, forums are great for development and asking questions, but they are bad for constantly fluctuating guides that demand community support. The result is the status quo on XDA; newbies constantly asking "obvious" questions about methods and issues long since solved.
To rectify this situation, I have been creating a complete, monolithic, and community editable guide to the Droid Incredible. In it's current state, the majority of this specific guide is sourced from scotty's grand ol' guide, but I have made some big edits and reorganized it top to bottom.
https://github.com/bibanon/android-development-codex/wiki/HTC-Droid-Incredible
This guide is part of the Android Development Codex, an initative to create a customized and functionally complete modding guide for every device we can get our hands on.The entire thing is stored on Github Wiki, so you can edit it if you have a github account.
## The Android Development Codex is not finished! Why are you releasing it now?
Originally, I was going to keep the Android Development Codex an anniversary secret until all the guides for the devices I owned were complete. However, a new project called "XDA University" is being started, so I am prematurely releasing my work to the community and awaiting further developments. As a result, only the HTC HD2 and the HTC Droid Incredible have functionally complete guides at the moment.
If anyone knows the people who have a hand in creating the XDA University, I ask you to PM me, because I have some very good insight and great ideas to make that project a success, not to mention data.
Hi,
I just thought it could be worth mentioning that there's a device request thread on Cyanogenmod forums for our beloved Idol 3 :
http://forum.cyanogenmod.org/topic/111850-alcatel-onetouch-idol-3-55/
May I suggest that everyone who wants a Cyanogen rom to be ported on our phones should take a minute to register there and add their voices to the request ?
There's already 24 posts in this thread
Already demanded it
Cool
Just made a post, but later found out that posting a request for CM does not guarantee anything. In the sticky it states
Now, what does this mean to you? First off, requesting anywhere in the CM forum, the CM Blog, or the Facebook/Google+/Twitter accounts for device XX to be supported is probably a waste of your time and anybody who reads said request. CyanogenMod does not work on device requests as there is no guaranteeing that a current CM maintainer is even interested in the device. Additionally, its not as simple as 'porting' code, the device trees must be coded from scratch and made to work with the AOSP sourced code and CM enhancements. This takes a large amount of time and effort, especially when the device's OEM fails to release the latest version of Android for it. Second, in hoping a worthy developer sees the post and decides to take up the project... well, that is probably just wishful thinking. Many developers do not like interacting with end users (too much finger pointing between both devs and users or anger directed at the devs for something working other than how the user expects - it happens far too often); because of that, many developers don't frequent the forum (or if they do, they only view the forums for the devices they maintain).
The best way to get a device official support is not requesting it from the CM team, but learning how to do it yourself or encouraging a maintainer of an unofficial build to submit their code for review. Many developers will work on unofficial ports on the xda-developers forum, so that would be the first place to check out. If there isn't any work currently being done, you can attempt it yourself. There is a pretty in-depth article in the wiki explaining a lot of the steps of porting a device (as the bottom of the wiki states, nothing can cover every single process of porting, but it is a really great start).
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So it would need to be someone willing to take the time out to buy an Idol 3, if one has not done so already, and then port the code for our device out of their free time. And considering the userbase for this phone does not seem all that large to be noticed, I'm not sure if CM will work on our phones anytime soon.
Well thank you very much for your posts and your research.
I'm afraid you're right, but we had to ask
Let's not lose hope too soon anyway, the fact that the device request thread exist seems to be a good point. I don't know if any device had received a CM port because of this thread, but... why not ?
I've red that Alcatel and cyanogen had been in contact for a tablet. The project has been cancelled but this might suggest they could have access to resources that would ease their work (pilots ?).
Original rom on the idol is pretty much stock Android, this is a good thing too (well I'm not a developer but I guess it's easier when it's close to the original).
And, like you said, even if the user base is not that large, chances that someone from cyanogen got seduced by the idol (like we did) are still possible... (this is the moment where everybody crosses their fingers ).
Anyway thanks again !
The thread has now 31 posts (ah no, 32 webgaffeur just added his voice !)
Thanks to all the people that took some time to post there, let's not give it up : it's time to flood the forum !
i had posted the github with source for the phone but no one seems to respond not even one single admin? we can ask other devs crdroid pacrom dirty unicorns paranoid etc.
Alas, I think Brian is right : it's probably a waste of time posting on the device request thread
I checked devices with a lot more posts and views than ours and... nothing from a dev (like huyawei and Asus zenforce 5).
Asking to other rom devs will probably be useless also. Our only hope is that a competent developer buy an idol and start working on it... If this happens, I'm pretty sure he will share his work on XDA.
Well, meanwhile we already have root, twrp and xposed working, so I guess the best thing to do is to customise out phones till it suits our needs and that's all.
Let's hope also that Alcatel will continue to push updates (marshmallow ?)
Anyway thanks for your efforts Gecko.
Sorry, didn't mean to rain on anyones parade. Just wanted to let everyone know what the stickied thread on the CM forum for device requests stated. I'm not saying it won't ever happen, just that it might take some time to get a valued reputable dev who owns, or wouldn't mind purchasing the Idol 3 and working on it for us. Most dev's accept donations of devices that want development on from the users, so if we were able to locate and contact a reputable dev, asking them if we were to provide them with the device, would they mind porting or creating a ROM for it. It's worth a try. Maybe start a bounty or fundraiser etc. I myself do not know of any dev's that would be willing to work on this device as the ones I do know of have only worked on Samsung devices.
I don't know any dev at all
P.S. : thread has 34 answers now !
Cannadoux said:
I don't know any dev at all
P.S. : thread has 34 answers now !
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theres always other devs like pacrom paranoid android crdroid and omnirom even dirtyy unicorns
Good news, it seems we haven't hoped for nothing : http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/releases-releases-releases-august-2015#comment-2229134454
Thanks to @purple.epod for posting the news.
From cirwl himself : "A couple of us have one, and kernel source was just released, so strong possibility of yes"
Yiiiihaaaa
this is great i hope that we get a nightly soon