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I've had a Galaxy S but sold that for a BB for the keyboard! Now I just wanted something to browse the web/play some games/watch some movies.
I've been looking at tablets for a while, I refuse to get anything Apple so theres that one gone!
Now I know MWC is around the corner and I know Samsung are supposedly releasing the SAMOLED/Dual core model of the Tab (hence the price cuts in my eyes).
I just wanted to know, if you had to get a tablet now, would you get the same one? I've always though 7" is too small, but it means its great for being portable.
Anyway just want to hear your thoughts
Love my Tab and its worth every penny. Defo get another one as well.. Tesco sell them for around £360 Great work on some new roms now as well. Gingerbread will be ported very soon
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Love my Tab and its worth every penny. Defo get another one as well.. Tesco sell them for around £360 Great work on some new roms now as well. Gingerbread will be ported very soon
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+1 to this. I bought my Tab in early Decemver last year and I've loved every minute of it and it's a great bargin now with the UK price coming down to £360. I guess you have to ask yourself what you want a Tab for, if you want the very latest wizz bang tech, then wait for teh GT2 or the new Motorola on Gingerbread, but if you want a fantastic Tab at a great price thats got lots of development happening for, buy the current GT!
Not going to lie, I kicked myself a bit for buying the Tab. It's... good enough, I guess, but if nobody tries to port Honeycomb to it I'll be slashing my wrists. With my Tab. Which, seeing as it's a blunt thing, may take some work, but I'll get there.
I guess I should wait and see if Honeycomb makes it then. Whats the developers like for the Tab? Any chance they could do the work? At £360, I'd be willing to pay £20-30 for a stable port!
They will show the GT2 in February. But then it will probably take a bit of time before you can actually buy it, say April with shops like eXpansys. And then the typical carriers will take even more time before having them, say May or June (Not even talking about the US where it will take ages as usual)
So yeah if you don't mind waiting for the early summer then don't buy the Tab. Otherwise if you can't wait that long just jump and get one !
I just bought it yesterday, I was going to wait motorolla xoom tablet, but in my country australia maybe it'll be here next year sometimes.
So far I am happy with it.
No need to slit your wrists , Gingerbread is in Beta for the tab right now. So much development going on at the minute Honeycomb will come eventually one way or another , with over 2 million tabs out there already its bound to happen
We hope. Unless CyanogenMOD go some for supporting tablets we're gonna be stuck on whatever Sammy leave us with
Well I've gone a bought one with the Keyboard dock, case and TV-out.
Looking forward to it now! Been reading through the Dev forums and development seems good. Looks like we have a chance of MeeGo and Gingerbread so I can't wait for it to come!
I bought the T-Mobile Tab a few weeks ago and I love it. I've flahsed a number of different roms and each new one seems to make it a better device. Watching movies and reading ebooks on it is no problem for me. Some people think it's a bit small for that kind of use, but it's just a matter of personal likes and dislikes.
I like the 7 inch size for the ease of mobility. Fits in a jacket pocket nicely.
My wife has an iPad and while it's a great device in it's own right, it's a little too big for my taste. Besides that, unless you jailbreak it, the iPad is limited to what Apple feeds you as far as apps are concerned.
The GT2 will probably blow everything else out of the water, but so will the GT3, GT4....you get the idea.
I bought a Tab in early november and I wouldn't buy one now. Its been a great device but the price 2nd hand is falling quite quickly. I've seen a couple go on ebay for £250 or less, one even went for £175! But the real reason I wouldn't buy it is because tablets weren't a surefire investment so they didn't put everything they could into it 1st time around. Now tablets are the in thing they are sensibly coming out rather quickly with the 2nd gen that will probably last a bit longer. I know that "if you continue to wait you'll never buy anything" but the jump to dual core and a tablet friendly OS is worth waiting for as come MWC which is just 2 weeks from now you will see how far the "real" 1st gen of tablets is going to go
I bought the Verizon Tab a few weeks ago and it works just fine exactly as it is. The browser works well, I can watch baseball and hockey games streamed out with Flash, Slingplayer works fine, the email app works well with my Exchange server and the Verizon data is MUCH faster than it was with a laptop and Verizon modem I had a year or so ago. The iPad is better than the Tab at a handful of things and the Tab is better than the iPad at a handful of things. More important is that that Tab fits in a pocket of most of my pants and therefore it goes out with me while the iPad continues to sit at home to do nothing. The best tablet is the one you have with you!
I have to agree with most people in this forum. The tab is great! and worth every penny. I bought it about a weak ago and here is how I convinced myself waiting isn't necessarily going to really matter.
A. Galaxy Tab will browse the web (and so will every subsequent device)
B. Galaxy Tab will stream and or play music (and so will every subsequent device)
C. Galaxy Tab will stream and or play video (and so will every subsequent device)
D. Galaxy Tab will support the essential apps that matter & allow me to live day to day more efficiently (and so will every subsequent device)
E. Galaxy Tab has a development community that will allow me to exercise my "'hacking" bug (and so will every other device)
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F. Prediction: DEVS will not sleep until each and every one of Google's near term future mobile OS-es are ported over up until the device is just completely obsolete. (ie gingerbread, honeycomb)
G. Even if the latest and greatest Tab will come out in a few months it will be priced at a premium. ($750.00 +)
So bottom line the basic functionality will be the same. Any functionality introduced beyond what in my mind the Tab is actually meant for is just excess and will come at a premium (near term). For me any functions outside the realm of the Tab are ran on my PC or Laptop
I paid $549.00 from AT&T & don't regret the purchase.
Just my two cents.
I bought one last week after selling my iPad and Advent Vega.
The rational behind buying it was similar to other people in this thread, HTC will soon launch their flyer with very similar specs so the hardware is not outdated, it will take until next christmas for the dust to settle around the true next gen tablets. Some will get dev support others probably not so much (just think how long it took for the motorola milestone to get custom roms!)
With the Galaxy Tab you get a device which is only a few months old thats just starting to gather momentum in the dev scene.
The price has dropped considetably in the U.K. so it made sense for me to get this device which will no doubt get gingerbread one way or another making it very similar to the flyer in terms of spec and features (I'm not a sense fan so wont miss it). I expect the flyer will initially cost more than the tab.
In short get one enjoy it and wait to see which of the next gen tablets gets support from cyan and co
One other thing...even if the updates and support aren't official, look at how many "old" Android devices are still being used every day and, by and large, they can still run the latest and greatest software. As far as I've read the G1 is capable of running Slingplayer which means it's capable of running the relatively recent OS that Slingplayer requires. Therefore, I wouldn't be too worried about the system becoming stale or outdated.
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(Sorry in advance for the long post)
First off, let me say that I am a full-on Android fanboy.
After many years, frustrated by WM phones, I ditched Microsoft and picked up a Droid on launch day and have never looked back!
I have been on line, literally, every day since Nov 6th 2009, pouring over all of the android forums, blogs and reviews.
I have watched the evolution of android and have been so excited with every new update, discovery and app. I still rock the OG Droid because I have yet to see anything out there tempting enough for me to want to ditch it (o.k., maybe the Bionic but we'll have to wait and see!) but because it is also the most developer friendly friendly device anyone has released (feel free to correct me).
I love the open nature of Android, I love the quirkiness and the feeling of being part of helping to build this fledgling into a giant.
I rooted my phone long ago and have tried many, many roms, kernels and themes and I have loved all of it! (I am a bit worried that at the final reckoning I will be held accountable for the 2 1/2 years of my life I wasted dicking with my phones.)
Anyways, that's my history, now my dilemma.
Since the introduction of the first ipad, I never quite "got it". It seemed cool and everything but I couldn't see a reason, or a need it would fill, in my life. My laptop recently died and I do miss sitting on the couch surfing, working, emailing etc. So then I began to see the introduction of Android tablets and, although intrigued, I still found myself not really coveting them.
Flash forward to last Friday. I get a call from my wife who says she's at Costco and do I want anything, as a joke, I said "Yeah, how about picking me up one of those Motorola Xooms. She did.
I have spent the last week, with a browser full of Xoom related tabs, installing apps, trying everything out and I've been having a ball! (I haven't rooted yet because I don't want any hassles when the OTA's rain down from the heavens!)
Although I really like my Xoom and I can't wait to see where this all goes, I can't help but think that I could return it to Costco and pick up a pretty nice laptop with gigs of ram, a huge hard drive and the ability to do anything I wanted.
Today, my Droid can do more than my Xoom can.
I know this will change but even when all of the upgrades are complete, it will still be an Android phone on steroids. (flame suit on).
So I ask you for your opinions, input and thoughts.
I have 90 days to decide.
Thanks in advance for your time.
You, sir, have an awesome wife!
The device capabilities are there to do everything you want and more, however the success of the device and the platform large hinges on the developers. As we have seen with the android phone sphere, (lame quote time) "If you build it, they will come" or at least that is what motorola, samsung, lg, htc...etc are betting on. Honestly its hard to say if in 90 days if you will see delivered what everyone expects of an android tablet from the apps standpoint. There would be no shame in returning and waiting for the development of the android tablet scene if you aren't willing to wait. I can say I am definitely invested in for the long haul and see a bright future ahead.
Two months ago, I was getting ready for my vacation (first one in six years) and a trip to US (Going next week). I spent several days checking forums, sites, magazines, everything that would help me choose the best tablet, and Xoom looked like the best option.
I never liked Apple and Ipad. To 'restricted' I’m my opinion. It's like a fine car that doesn't allow you to change the gear, break, accelerate or even steering. Basically the only think you can do is to insert address in the GPS and horn!
I have a Samsung galaxy S and so fat it’s the best phone I have ever had. I already had HTC, Kaiser, Blackberry, Motorola, LG, Nokia, etc and this is, by far, the best one. At first it was terrible: slow, too may Samsung bloatware, terrible battery live, but after flashing few cooked roms it transformed itself to a new device. It was Clark and now became Superman.
Back to the Tablets, when I was looking for the best tablet for me I checked other tablets as well: Samsung didn't had micro SD slot, no HDMI output and it also had almost the same weight as Xoom. Rim Tablet was too "Blackberry alike", and with an unknown OS. LG didn't have all the option as the Motorola Xoom and Ipad is… Ipad. So Xoom looked like the best option available. I decided to pre-order the Wi-Fi version to be delivered to the hotel address because I was afraid of a possible shortage. I have only one shot and I couldn`t miss it. Also this way I would be able to use it as my main computer during the trip. The Xoom is already waiting me on the hotel front desk…
….But I wish it wasn’t. In few weeks Xoom changed from the best available option to the worst option in the new Android market.
First, Motorola wasn’t able to keep up with other companies. Samsung did a major strategic movement and decided to re-design their table. Samsung created a tablet that weight just like an Ipad, and almost 30% less than the Xoom with almost the same specs as the Xoom. Samsung included a MicroSD slot, a much better screen (Super IPS) and HDMI while keeping same price as an Ipad 2. I can get the 16gb version for 100 less than the Xoom and I will still able to buy three or more 16gb MicroSD. Looking at the Samsung tablet make you feel like Motorola isn’t even trying. Bulkier, heavier an more expensive (ok 32gb is the same price, but they didn’t include a 16gb version which is cheaper if you think that you can get a 16gb MicroSD for 30 now.)
In the meantime Motorola is fighting itself: news that they will drop the production of Xoom, e-mails sent to Xda to remove .dump file, locket bootloader on the atrix and droid phones. It looks like Motorola is attacking the only thing that could save the Xoom: The community that could help support the device by making customs rom and other improvements.
In my opinion, it looks like Motorola is working hard to prevent customs Roms to the Xoom
So I keep asking myself if I should keep the Xoom, and the short answer is: No. I shouldn’t
I will be needing a tablet during my trip and I still haven`t decided if I should keep my Xoom until I can get a Samsung Tab or if I should send it back to Amazon and get a Asus Transformer. I am afraid that keeping the Xoom for too much time I won`t be able sell it in the future. I`m feeling like I am with a time bomb on my lap and if I doesn`t sell it fast enough it will blow.
And I have no doubt that it will be much easier to sell an Asus Transformer or an Acer A 500 than sell the Xoom in the near future. Hey, the transformer have a different strategy (that it can also be used as a netbook) so I may ending keeping it (but I still like Samsung Tab 10.1 best).
For now, Xoom is just better than nothing because there are no other android devices available. From April 24th (Acer A500 launch) it will face the competition of Acer. After that Asus and Samsung. The truth is that I haven`t even open the Xoom box, but I’m already with bitter taste in my mouth.
Some people talk about Xoom having the premium price. You paid more because you wanted to have the first Android device in the market ahead from everyone. OK, but would you pay this “premium price” if you knew that it would only last four weeks? That after 4 weeks you would have 4 new and better options (cheaper ones) available? Also, how much “premium price” you’ll have to pay? You already paying it in dollars, but you already paying it in the fact that the OS have bugs (like Mem space bug), that the SD card doesn’t work, that the screen is worst than every other device. How much you’ll have to pay as premium price?
Now I just need to know how can I return an unopened Xoom to Amazon and have a refund to purchase and Acer or and Asus for 200 bucks less.
It’s sad when you haven’t event received a new gadget but you already have give up on it, but it is worst when you realized that even the manufacture have already give up on the device.
isnt the galaxy tab shipping with FROYO? with Samsung's track record, I doubt it'll get honeycomb in 2011, gingerbread is a more realistic goal, maybe near christmas?
Xoom is a great tablet and I'm sorry that you've decided to return it without even using it.
This same thread has been posted too many times, and needs to be added to a forum FAQ or something. "Should I buy x if y is coming out soon?" turns into "Should I buy y if z is coming out soon?". At some point you just have to make a purchase and accept that no technology is going to be "the best" for very long
Wait, you haven't even opened the box and we get this long rant?
Use the device, let your experience guide your choices. The simple fact is that the Xoom is a powerful and beautiful slate, if you are one of us who love it out of the box.
We have root, we have overclock and regardless of the Xoom platform Honeycomb will have a strong community support even if because it is Android.
I for one am a power user and love my Xoom, it's attractive and does it's job well for my tastes.
Regardless, you need to experience the thing in your environment before you decide it isn't worth your time. Normally the hurdle would be the purchase, but you've already passed that one. Take the time to configure and play, then decide!
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isnt the galaxy tab shipping with FROYO? with Samsung's track record, I doubt it'll get honeycomb in 2011, gingerbread is a more realistic goal, maybe near christmas?
Xoom is a great tablet and I'm sorry that you've decided to return it without even using it.
This same thread has been posted too many times, and needs to be added to a forum FAQ or something. "Should I buy x if y is coming out soon?" turns into "Should I buy y if z is coming out soon?". At some point you just have to make a purchase and accept that no technology is going to be "the best" for very long
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Galaxy Tab 10 is not shipping with 2.2. Launching with 3.0.
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Galaxy Tab 10 is not shipping with 2.2. Launching with 3.0.
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my bad, must be thinking of the older one; I feel sorry for anyone who bought that oversized phone that doesnt make calls
After using honeycomb, 2.x just doesnt make sense on a tablet
edit: I cant wait for all these new tablets to come out so people can start to differentiate between problems with the xoom and problems with honeycomb.
It's amazing how you've managed to out dumb every single other post in xoom general with this ridiculous pointless rant.
You've not even opened the box and you're complaining about the xoom.
The xoom is the most unlocked device moto has ever produced, it won't ever be locked.
You have nothing to backup your claims at all. There is nothing about the new tablets coming out that will reduce your enjoyment of the xoom. If you keep worrying about the next tablet and then the next tablet you will never have a tablet, and never be happy.
The xoom is a wonderful device with a lot going for it and nothing samsung or acer does will change that for me.
Honestly its your fault for ordering something so far ahead of time, especially a device like this that had almost no chance of selling out.
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I'm sure that the description "From Heaven to Hell" seems a bit dramatic to most readers, but if thats the way you feel, you will probably never be happy with the Xoom even after the upgrades & updates.
The more I read the more I realize the Xoom really is only going to one of the best tablets after it's hacked, overclocked and running a high quality custom ROM. This is the way I always intended to use the Xoom, though I am learning that I really am in the minority of users. Those consumers having no intention of hacking the tablet are likely to be disappointed when comparing it to a more "finished" product.
I add my experience to this post only to help illustrate the importance of considering the intended use of the product by the individual giving his opinion of it. Critics of users who are dissatisfied with the Xoom seem to overlook that relevance and chastise them unjustly. Inevitably, every thread that includes negative opinions of the Xoom turns to **** as a polarized pissing contest ensues.
The ironic good part of this usual course of behavior is that waiting for these updates will give everyone a chance to get this crap out of their system so that by that time we can get busy talking about nothing but development, improvements and ROMs. Won't THAT be great?!
Sorry if you think that what I wrote is 'ridiculous pointless rant', but what a wrote is just what I am feeling so I am probably feeling ridiculous pointless right now.
About pre-ordering, yes it was a bad call. But I was in the US last thanksgiving and I spent two weeks trying to get a Xbox Kinect with no luck. I just didn`t want that to happened again. I also pre order a 3DS in the same way as the Xoom.
I agree that there is nothing from the new tables that would keep me from enjoying the Xoom, but that's not so simple. It's human nature to search for the best, and have the best. So I can say that except for some users that actually try several devices in order to choose the right one, most of the consumers will just choose the ones that looks the best. And between too devices, one 30% lighter and with the same specs, most of the users will go for the lighter even without testing.
I know that I am responsible for what happened but I think that what you should realize is that this will be the most typical scenario for the Xoom in the next weeks. Do you think that most of the consumers will act as XDA user and will do their homework (even then some XDA users will return theirs Xoom) or they will make their decisions like I did, in an impulse purchase?
Just look how many people stood on the line to purchase an Ipad 2 in the first day. None of these people were able to fully try Ipad before buying it. They just went for the one that looked the best.
And so this will probably happens with Android devices too. Most of people will go for the one with better specs or, in a secondary decision path, for the cheaper one. Very few people will go for the `right one for me`.
I just don't think that Motorola will hold on the Xoom if they start getting low sales numbers and high return rates. Motorola hasn't show that it will support Xoom if it fails in sale, and that's, combined to a POSSIBLE decision to prevent custom rooms (like they did in some Droid and Atrix phones) will turn out to be doom fall to Xoom users.
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I'm sure that the description "From Heaven to Hell" seems a bit dramatic to most readers, but if thats the way you feel, you will probably never be happy with the Xoom even after the upgrades & updates.
The more I read the more I realize the Xoom really is only going to one of the best tablets after it's hacked, overclocked and running a high quality custom ROM. This is the way I always intended to use the Xoom, though I am learning that I really am in the minority of users. Those consumers having no intention of hacking the tablet are likely to be disappointed when comparing it to a more "finished" product.
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I agree with the fact that Xoom will be a much better device after hacked and with custom Rom. I just don`t know if that will happen. Just look at the Atrix forum and the petition to have an unlocked bootloader. If I`m wrong please let me know but we are not sure, at this time, that there will be custom roms avaiable to the Xoom.
If I may throw my 2 cents into the can...
Yes, it looks like cheaper, and slimmer or lighter tablets are coming around the corner. Acer and Asus have it right in the price. Samsung built a thinner mouse trap, if you will, with redesigning the 8.9 and 10.1 Tabs.
Here's why the Xoom is my pick to date: Stock Android Device. Yes, all these tablets will have Honeycomb, but the OEM's are placing UI's on top. Granted, They don't appear to be too obtrusive to the Honeycomb experience (thank you Samsung for figuring that out) it will still be an issue when updates are released. I learned my lesson on the phone side and bought the Nexus S, and am so, so glad I did. Now, I don't want to get into a discussion of who the updates will be coming from, but it's obvious that a stock operating system will get the updates much, much faster than any devices with custom UI's. Samsung will have one, Asus will have one, hell HTC wants to put frigging Sense on their tablets. Yes people, you HTC tablet owners will get to stare at that stupid clock widget all day long on a bigger screen.
Look, I understand that the Xoom is way too expensive, I look at my Best Buy account and cringe, but I'm glad I pulled the trigger and bout the Xoom. It may not be a "Nexus" device per say, but for the joy of having the "pure Google experience" I'm all about the Xoom.
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I agree with the fact that Xoom will be a much better device after hacked and with custom Rom. I just don`t know if that will happen. Just look at the Atrix forum and the petition to have an unlocked bootloader. If I`m wrong please let me know but we are not sure, at this time, that there will be custom roms avaiable to the Xoom.
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the only thing stopping the development of custom roms right now is the lack of HC source code, so if the xoom never gets custom roms then no 3.x device will
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If I may throw my 2 cents into the can...
Yes, it looks like cheaper, and slimmer or lighter tablets are coming around the corner. Acer and Asus have it right in the price. Samsung built a thinner mouse trap, if you will, with redesigning the 8.9 and 10.1 Tabs.
Here's why the Xoom is my pick to date: Stock Android Device. Yes, all these tablets will have Honeycomb, but the OEM's are placing UI's on top. Granted, They don't appear to be too obtrusive to the Honeycomb experience (thank you Samsung for figuring that out) it will still be an issue when updates are released. I learned my lesson on the phone side and bought the Nexus S, and am so, so glad I did. Now, I don't want to get into a discussion of who the updates will be coming from, but it's obvious that a stock operating system will get the updates much, much faster than any devices with custom UI's. Samsung will have one, Asus will have one, hell HTC wants to put frigging Sense on their tablets. Yes people, you HTC tablet owners will get to stare at that stupid clock widget all day long on a bigger screen.
Look, I understand that the Xoom is way too expensive, I look at my Best Buy account and cringe, but I'm glad I pulled the trigger and bout the Xoom. It may not be a "Nexus" device per say, but for the joy of having the "pure Google experience" I'm all about the Xoom.
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I agree with most everything you said however, where is the microSD card support on Xoom? These new tablets are releasing with functional slots. For a flagship device for Honeycomb, I am a bit disappointed. I have had my Xoom since day 1 and being as patient as possible with this but seeing other honeycomb tablets release with microSD support is a slap in the face.
dandearebr,
notice this...
regarding development of android device you must have development device, until now the development device supported by google are : G1 (legacy, not supported anymore), Nexus One, Nexus S and Motorola Xoom... the last three have unlock bootoloader officially, not by doing a hack, G1 Dev are coming unlocked from the first day of release (except G1 T Mob)..
so now, are you sure the next coming HC tablets have official unlock bootloader? "fastboot oem unlock"
Droid, Desire, Xperia etc, they are not development device, so is Atrix and others..the only way to put custom android to that product is hacking the bootloader..
Atrix have a good bootloader lock, afaik until now, no one have succes unlock milestone bootloader..so atrix will do the same..
now, one million dollars question for u, are u sure u want to buy next tablet that we dont know about their bootloader? u love custom rom right?
Dear Dandearebr
You will never get "perfect" tablet because there is no definition of such. There are expectations that are constantly changing, also they are very personal and subjective.
Your opinion is based on reviews and vocal complainers baseless in most of cases.
Xoom is very solid tablet capable of replacing of laptop. I am sure that it will get updates and will be useful for a least a year, year and a half. Then it will be a picture frame.
BTW, it has amazingly powerful sound. Listening online radio is very enjoyable.
My opinion is based on experience using Android since 2009, starting with HTC G1, then MyTouch, Galaxy S, Samsung Galaxy Tab 7". Xoom is a different animal because of Honeycomb and it is a big step forward.
Personally I prefer 7" tab with phone capability and pocketable size.
Classic buyer's remorse. We've all been there. My suggestion is to follow through and return it. You will never likely be happy with it, regardless of how well it functions for you.
Happily typing from my unlocked, rooted, overclocked Xoom.
Please return it so that real users don't have to clean up after you and kiss your boo-boos. Sheesh, you don't need a Xoom, you need a mom!
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So have you actually used the device?
God, return it.
Then when the XYZ tablet you want comes out you will go cry to those forums that ZYS v2.0 tablet is coming out.
I don't get why a lot of you are getting all defensive and starts attacking a fellow member, just because he's having a much better look at the future than us early adopters. I mean, be honest guys! A lot of us here are all wishful thinking about the opposite of what the OP has said! Yeah, we all might be happy for now, as the Motorola Xoom is the only tablet available that's actually competing with iPadLock2. But a few days, weeks from now, with all these tablets coming out and (hopefully not) the chance of Xoom reaching it's end of life/production. Along with threats of locked bootloader and a chance of not getting any update support from Motorola (FACT: XOOM is NOT the developer TAB from Google), we might just end up flooding this forum with threads just like the OP's.. Let's face it, no one knows about Xoom's future.. Heck I don't even know if Jha even knows the Xooms future at this point.. But the fact that Xoom's sale wasn't really that good, due to motorola's marketing strategy and price, with the iPad 2's overwhelming, and the upcoming flooding of Honeycomb tablets with better specs and/or pricing, our Xoom tablet could very well just end up as a very expensive paperweight.. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with my Xoom! It meets my daily needs but the fact that it hasn't yet reached it's full potential due to Honeycomb's infancy, the FC's and limited apps worries me. I mean, we all know how these companies are.. If their product doesn't sell, they stop the production and support/updates. Add to that the threat on the XDA community regarding the Dump files and chances of the Bootloader getting locked, helps me understand the OP's sentiments/rants.. Let's face it, this is not the Developer's TAB like what we all hoped it would be when we bought it. Without the support from Motorola and the XDA community, this product we're defending would actually just end up like what the OP has said on the title of this thread. So let's just get along and stop bashing the OP just because he still has a chance to change his mind. Me, I would advice the OP to just return/sell the Xoom and wait for a few the upcoming tablets before it's too late. Because if he does, he would have a much better look at the future of the Xoom. Who knows, he might even see Motorola getting crazy coming up with a 16GB version, with better pricing and unlocked bootloader! Now that would be a win/win situation for the OP and us early adopters!! My fingers are crossed..........
Perfect! There really is no more to debate on this, and just no reason to bash the OP. Nobody knows anything for sure yet. I'm in it for the long haul, but only because I intend to be an end user of custom ROMs. I WILL be disappointed with how much I spent on the Xoom if that doesn't ever happen.
Demo launch video (French)
http://www.jbmm.fr/2011/06/conference-archos-23062011-videos/
Most of you have probably seen the Gen9 launch (above). Let's find out how many are planning to upgrade to it. Aside from participitating in the poll, please reply with your reasons why you will/won't buy one.
You missed item "maybe" I'll wait for real tests. I've bought Asus Transformer couple of days ago (waiting for delivery) and will play with it by the Autumn. Gen9 will probably my next toy, but maybe not -- it could be Amazon tablet or something else...
err HELL NO!!. too much drama with my 101, I would be a fool to go through it all again, shame really cos it had sooo much potential.
@Kocta
Yes, a "wait-and-see" option should've been included. Unfortunately, AFAIK polls can't be changed once they're up.
Instead, think of it like this: If you're favorably inclined toward buying one, based on the announced specs at this point in time, vote Yes. If not, vote No.
too much hardware and software issues so far with my Gen8 101... maybe again in 1-2 years when they've learned their lessons. but so far I'm planning to buy a Transformer or something similiar by the end of summer
me the 80 gen 9 and the 101 gen 9
No, because they made the wrong size.
As I'm flying alot i don't need that big thing.
The 70IT was just the right size.
Why did they do that?
The 80 is 8"? This isn't much bigger than 7", is it?
chulri said:
The 80 is 8"? This isn't much bigger than 7", is it?
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In fact, just 2.2cm (=1") bigger
And they've said that they'll bring out 6 Tablet from 5" to 10".
I think these will be A50 A70 A80 A90 and the A101
Wht do you think?
IMHO the 90 should be replaced by a 40 ^^
@Lennb to be exact: 1" = 2,54cm but it's not about the numbers, it's about "how big" does it feel.
1" more in screensize doesn't translate to a 1" bigger device.
Because they changed the format from 16:9 to 4:3 we have 2cm wider but 4 cm higher device.
That is more then 35% higher.
And that 4cm is enough that it doesn't fit in a normal pant pocket ( temp while entering/leaving plane ) and generally makes the thing alot bulkier.
so the new screen format is the problem, not the size for itself
Only if they upgrade Gen8 to Honeycomb - cause then I'd have more faith in the comapny :-D
I'll stick to my newly bought gen8 101.
First of all it'd be a pain to sell it now and wait for the release in sept. Selling it after the release will just have a huger price drop.
Second it's still a budget tablet, u can get good stuff but it won't be like u suddenly get handed an ipad3 / asus transformer 2 / ...
The only things that rly interest me in this is the dualcore and the honeycomb, which both i can live without. (doubt the screen is that much better than the 101it atm)
Since the Gen9 uses the same OMAP4430 as the Pandaboard @ pandaboard.org I'll try one and see how much work it will be to replace the factory bootloader/firmware with u-boot gitorious.org/pandaboard/u-boot
There is no reason why a tabklet should take more than a few seconds to power-on to login for Linux. A few people are also working on knocking off 20 seconds or so from starting Android.
I have already been working with the Pandaboard and if Archos hasn't done too poor a job with the rest of the tablet it might be worth it.
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Only if they upgrade Gen8 to Honeycomb - cause then I'd have more faith in the comapny :-D
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that would rly be a big win on their part
however marketing predicts it's never going to happen (even if they get around the possible ram issue ppl talk about)
I will wait to see if they will upgrade it to IceCream-Sandwich and if they launch another models. May be I will just get me an Archos 7c. Or an Archos Phone Tablet(Dreams come true ). In two months time we will see. Of course it can be something not from Archos, like TF2...
I am seriously wondering whether Archos delivered more problems with the current firmwares (esp. the Battery-Issues) in order to make people buy Gen9 due to being less satisfied with their Gen8 Actually in my case it would be just the other way around - only if Archos manages to deliver a firmware that makes the Gen8 what it is supposed to be, I would ever consider buying any Archos-tablet again.
So there are two conditions: 1. Wait and see if the main Gen8-Firmware-Issues will be fixed 2. Wait and see if the Gen9 come up with similar issues like the USB-Host-failure on Gen8 (I had two of those!) after a few months.
If Archos doesnt come along with a real step forward on firmware soon I will downgrade to 2.1.08 and wait for an easy Custom-ROM-Solution, then watch the market a little longer and save some money for something that lives up to what it is praised for by marketing, probably not Archos again....
It's a pity, the Gen8 really looked good, too, now I havbe become really cautious and suspicious with Archos.
A resounding NO.
I love new gadgets but under no circumstances would i buy another archos tablet. Did anyone else feel robbed after they had used their gen device for a while? I know i did. From random reboots, usb and wifi issues to ridiculous firmware updates that only made things worse!!! I know that i bought a "budget tablet" but I cant help feeling that I should have paid alot less for this device than 300 euro (200 for the 101 would've been more like it and then i might've upgraded to gen 9).
Archos need to learn a lesson and this consumer intends to teach (not that anyone would listen).
Here's hoping that Bodhi linux quench's my disappointment a little.
p.s. To the people who voted yes, you're either crazy or have too much money lying around.
I have the money and the ability to buy the Acer using the $100 gift card and i WILL be buying the Acer tomorrow.
NOTE: I already have a 7" Archos Internet tablet buy am looking to upgrade.
The only question i have is...
A) Do i open the tablet, have fun with it and hope that it will last long enough before the quad core (or more specifically, 7/8" honeycomb) tablets come out?
B) Sell the device on eBay which in turn would net me a profit of £70-80 which i could put towards a newer tablet? (yes i do live in the UK but i am on holiday )
Thanks for any advice that any of you are able to give me.
Mike.
Where is the 'don't bother buying it' option?
Doesn't sound like you want it at all. Save your money for what will really make you happy.
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Where is the 'don't bother buying it' option?
Doesn't sound like you want it at all. Save your money for what will really make you happy.
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I was going to answer this question with somewhat the same answer, but passed on by, as I wouldn't have been as diplomatic as you were gamma. Mine would have included finding a hooker that takes gift cards?!
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I was going to answer this question with somewhat the same answer, but passed on by, as I wouldn't have been as diplomatic as you were gamma. Mine would have included finding a hooker that takes gift cards?!
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XD
It just seems stupid to me to pass up on making £80.
Although this is the tablet that i have been looking at for a while i dont think it would hurt to look at both options.
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XD
It just seems stupid to me to pass up on making £80.
Although this is the tablet that i have been looking at for a while i dont think it would hurt to look at both options.
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As it seems stupid to me to be asking strangers what to do with your money. Get it with your gift card, and put it on eBay and make your profit!
Now you have your answer!
Why not wait for a 2 quad core? Actually, if you just hang in there for a bit more time, you could get a multi-core tablet. In fact, if you wait a few more years, there's no doubt they'll have a quantum core tablet for you.
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Why not wait for a 2 quad core? Actually, if you just hang in there for a bit more time, you could get a multi-core tablet. In fact, if you wait a few more years, there's no doubt they'll have a quantum core tablet for you.
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Thats what's bugging me, im thinking that quad cores will be out by Q1 2012 but i will benefit by waiting for more of them (just look at dual core)
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Thats what's bugging me, im thinking that quad cores will be out by Q1 2012 but i will benefit by waiting for more of them (just look at dual core)
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lol, he was being sarcastic.
Anyway, you can't play the waiting game forever. Who knows what will be coming up after Quad Core tablets. For all you now, 6 core ones will be coming in Summer of 2012, then you'll want to wait on those. Impulse buying is never a good thing, but waiting and waiting isn't either. You have to take the plunge at some point.
I'm assuming you're buying the tablet in the U.S in order to turn that kind of profit in the U.K. But will you be turning a profit? I mean - what if you decide you DO want something before the quad cores come? That would mean you'll have to shell out MORE for another A500 or something else, since they are all more expensive there.
My advice would be to just pick carefully now - or decide definitively to wait for a quad core solution and stick with that decision. It's not worth it to get it now and then sell it for £80 profit, because that £80 is going to be eaten up once you decide you want something before the quad cores come.
Good Luck.
I'm glad someone picked up on my sarcasm.
My brother in law 2 months ago bought 2 transformers (1 for him and one for his dad). I just told him about the $100 off thing at home depot and he said "so?" To him, there's nothing to regret. He couldn't have known back then. He was ready back then to buy the tablets. He made the decision to buy them and that's final.
As was mentioned, impulse buying isn't a good thing. But if you want to wait for the next latest and greatest, you will always be waiting. Forget quad core. My whole family consist of engineers. I am friends with many people who work in the industry. I have been assured on good authority that if you're willing to wait just a few more years you will be able to buy quantum core computers and tablets. In fact, if you just wait a few more years, you will be able to get tablets with screens made from graphene, the strongest transparent material known to science at this time. It's also the most conductive material, so that computers and tablets will be much much thinner. I'm talking about paper thin.
If you can, you should wait a few more years after that. I'm sure by then someone will have come up with tablets that have neural interface so that you can just think it and the tablet pc will do it without you using on screen keyboard.
You get the point.
If you're ready to get a tablet now, then go for it. It makes sense to wait a month or so if you know for sure what you want will be coming like next month. But waiting on the rumor and the chance that the next latest and greatest will be here in a year... or two years... you can keep waiting if you want. Don't let me stop you. But to me, that's a boring life.
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Besides, this isn't the dark ages where you got a sword and that sword will last you the next 50 years. We now live in a day and age when everything is disposable. Even my house is disposable, meaning I can sell it if I need to. I'm not one of those people that pursue the latest and greatest. One of my computers lasted me for nearly 10 years. It's just nowadays it doesn't make sense to spend the time to wait for a pentium 3 or pentium 4 to perform a certain process on windows xp when I can spend a mere $300 for something that's 100 times faster.
I'm still using dvd's. I absolutely refuse to switch to blueray. I think they are overpriced. The differences just don't bother me, and I have watched them on the latest and greatest tv's nowadays.
I was using an Archos 101 when I heard about the a500. I took the plunge. I preordered it and when it finally arrived almost a month later, I handed the Archos to the wife and never looked back.
Sure, it's an upgrade (a major upgrade) so it integrated into my already acclimated tablet lifestyle.
For the price point, it worked for me and with the TF vs Acer arguments already heated (by the time I got mine) it really was just a question of, you know what? I'm keeping it. I want it, I can definitely use it and I'll keep using until it dies - at which point, I'll get the next 'whatever' version.
Normally I would say go for it, but in this ecosystem its different. You can have all the cores you want, but if there is no underlying OS or apps that utilize them to their full potential, its a waste. In the end you're hoping something awesome comes out that will harness all that power, and eventually something will. Hopefully its sooner rather than later, because you are at the mercy of the manufacturer to continue to support the product. You have the dev community there to, who do great work, but most of them don't have the time to dissassemble/reassemble the code for drivers, so you end up with certain functions not working as they should when you try and load an OS that is not officially supported.
Case in point, the Motorla Atrix, which I drooled over for quite some time, is just now getting Gingerbread. I'm thinking full hardware acceleration for phones won't be in place until Ice Cream, which is fine as long as Moto contintues to support the product. I think Google is trying to clean that up a bit by asking OEMs to make a pledge to support their product for a minimum length of time (18months?). In my opinion, its best to go with something that is very similar to the lead product..in this case, the Xoom. So...anything with a Tegra 250. Unless you are beyond the halfway point between lead device launches, in which case it might be wiser to wait for that device to launch or the specs for it to leak.
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I'm glad someone picked up on my sarcasm.
My brother in law 2 months ago bought 2 transformers (1 for him and one for his dad). I just told him about the $100 off thing at home depot and he said "so?" To him, there's nothing to regret. He couldn't have known back then. He was ready back then to buy the tablets. He made the decision to buy them and that's final.
As was mentioned, impulse buying isn't a good thing. But if you want to wait for the next latest and greatest, you will always be waiting. Forget quad core. My whole family consist of engineers. I am friends with many people who work in the industry. I have been assured on good authority that if you're willing to wait just a few more years you will be able to buy quantum core computers and tablets. In fact, if you just wait a few more years, you will be able to get tablets with screens made from graphene, the strongest transparent material known to science at this time. It's also the most conductive material, so that computers and tablets will be much much thinner. I'm talking about paper thin.
If you can, you should wait a few more years after that. I'm sure by then someone will have come up with tablets that have neural interface so that you can just think it and the tablet pc will do it without you using on screen keyboard.
You get the point.
If you're ready to get a tablet now, then go for it. It makes sense to wait a month or so if you know for sure what you want will be coming like next month. But waiting on the rumor and the chance that the next latest and greatest will be here in a year... or two years... you can keep waiting if you want. Don't let me stop you. But to me, that's a boring life.
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Besides, this isn't the dark ages where you got a sword and that sword will last you the next 50 years. We now live in a day and age when everything is disposable. Even my house is disposable, meaning I can sell it if I need to. I'm not one of those people that pursue the latest and greatest. One of my computers lasted me for nearly 10 years. It's just nowadays it doesn't make sense to spend the time to wait for a pentium 3 or pentium 4 to perform a certain process on windows xp when I can spend a mere $300 for something that's 100 times faster.
I'm still using dvd's. I absolutely refuse to switch to blueray. I think they are overpriced. The differences just don't bother me, and I have watched them on the latest and greatest tv's nowadays.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. In my younger days I fell into that trap & finally came to my senses.
Why not save the hassle and just sell the gift card?
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