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The Motorola Flipout is fairly easy to root, at least now. Universal Androot (get it here) works.
I am thinking about moving apps to the sd card. However, since I haven't reflashed the phone, and I don't have a ROM for it, I'd like to do it without reflashing. Is that possible?
If I partition an SD card correctly (ext3), copy all of /data onto that partition, and then mount that partition over /data, will that work? Or do I have to mount the card before the phone boots?
Or is it better to just copy /data/data, and mount the partition over /data/data?
It seems to me that mounting over a directory, as opposed to creating a link is least invasive, because on reboot the phone is as it was before. Is this right?
If I have to mount the sdcard before the phone boots, can I just edit one of the init scripts, or is that more complicated? I read about editing init.rc and repacking boot.img
Oh, HOWTO unpack edit and repack boot images seems to give good instructions. On the Flipout, boot is mtd4, and recovery is mtd5.
If I only modify boot, I can't brick my phone too badly? Since I haven't changed recovery, I should be able to recover (?). Can I create an update.zip that flashes the old boot.img and undoes my changes in case something goes wrong?
I just got the flipout from rogers.. Is there anyplace that has a development forum for it? And does it have the efuse ? If it does, is it possible to do what was done with the droid X to it?
How did go so far ghostwheel? I'm eager to hear what else you have figured out.
You use App2Card.apk at below for app2sd without flash:
http://www.tinhte.vn/f280/app2card-2-4-4-20-9-cai-dat-ung-dung-len-nho-phan-vung-456586/
Requires: just a rooted phone
Steps:
- install app
- click Menu / Partition button then use slide bars to create ext2 for your sd card if it hasn't been splited yet
- click Install App2card button
- phone will be rebooted and you just taste app on sd after then
Note: above page has further instruction but it is vietnamese, you must use google translate to get it. This app runs perfectly on my Milestone.
Sent from my Milestone using XDA App
ghostwheel said:
The Motorola Flipout is fairly easy to root, at least now. Universal Androot (get it here) works.
I am thinking about moving apps to the sd card. However, since I haven't reflashed the phone, and I don't have a ROM for it, I'd like to do it without reflashing. Is that possible?
If I partition an SD card correctly (ext3), copy all of /data onto that partition, and then mount that partition over /data, will that work? Or do I have to mount the card before the phone boots?
Or is it better to just copy /data/data, and mount the partition over /data/data?
It seems to me that mounting over a directory, as opposed to creating a link is least invasive, because on reboot the phone is as it was before. Is this right?
If I have to mount the sdcard before the phone boots, can I just edit one of the init scripts, or is that more complicated? I read about editing init.rc and repacking boot.img
Oh, HOWTO unpack edit and repack boot images seems to give good instructions. On the Flipout, boot is mtd4, and recovery is mtd5.
If I only modify boot, I can't brick my phone too badly? Since I haven't changed recovery, I should be able to recover (?). Can I create an update.zip that flashes the old boot.img and undoes my changes in case something goes wrong?
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Hi,
I'd really like to help with that (I'm a confirm dev. for Cliq and CliqXT phones).
Hopefully we can do great things like we did for Cliq and CLiqXT (upgrade to 2.1!). (check my work at http://bit.ly/adlxmod).
First thing would be to generate a system dump (a dump of all the files in the /system partition). Hopefully we then could generate a custom recovery to flash on the phone, and then custom roms, either base on the dump you provide or other roms from other files. Contact me on twitter @adumont (say it's for Flipout) and I'll guide you to generate the dump!
Looking forward to do great things for that litle phone!
I'm in touch with adlxdum to give him my dump but I think we should start a separated thread like "Custom rom, modding (work in progress)" so that we can follow adlxdum work.
And...thx in advance ;-)
flusshd said:
You use App2Card.apk at below for app2sd without flash:
http://www.tinhte.vn/f280/app2card-2-4-4-20-9-cai-dat-ung-dung-len-nho-phan-vung-456586/
Requires: just a rooted phone
Steps:
- install app
- click Menu / Partition button then use slide bars to create ext2 for your sd card if it hasn't been splited yet
- click Install App2card button
- phone will be rebooted and you just taste app on sd after then
Note: above page has further instruction but it is vietnamese, you must use google translate to get it. This app runs perfectly on my Milestone.
Sent from my Milestone using XDA App
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Worked!
I couldn't repartition the SD card with the program, so I had to partition it myself. But once that was done, thing seem to work well. A bit slower...
I'm not totally sure how to use the app. Internal seems to still be full, but ext2 on the SD is quite empty. I can't seem to be able to tell if an app is installed to internal or external.
I have to try and install some more apps to see if I run out of memory.
Thanks!!
I'm guessing the flipout and charm are almost identical phones?
My wife has a charm and i'm one of those "i'm not a developer, but I'd like to help" guys.
MrShides said:
I'm guessing the flipout and charm are almost identical phones?
My wife has a charm and i'm one of those "i'm not a developer, but I'd like to help" guys.
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Yes, I think they are very similar.
One thing that I'm interested in is the accelerometer. On the Flipout, most apps that use it are twisted - for example wikitude, and many games (labyrinth lite works!) I wonder if things work on the charm...
the charm has the same issue.
MrShides said:
the charm has the same issue.
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thanks! Too bad....
Hi ghostwheel
I've tried installing app2card, but I'm having some problems. I got the new version 2.7.2.
As you said, the partition doesnt work. For me it says sd card is full but its empty...
How did you manually partition it?
I've found some tutorials but it was for other phones and they required a custom rom...
I partitioned the card using a linux computer, with the program fdisk.
I allocated 2GB to a partition of type ext2. But, I think there are many alternatives for partitioning a disk, see this page:
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f9/how-to-create-ext2-partition-14232/
Wow great link! Many different options! Will try this as soon as I get a micro sd card adapter. Thanks!
You mentioned in your old post that you were having problems using app2card, That you weren't sure if it was working. Have you been able to use it since? Is it working well? and if not have you found an alternative?
I just started using this phone and I'm almost running out of memory... this is quite annoying!
longlife_01 said:
You mentioned in your old post that you were having problems using app2card, That you weren't sure if it was working. Have you been able to use it since? Is it working well? and if not have you found an alternative?
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Yes, I was having problems. Mainly when restarting the phone, sometimes oodles of apps don't work, including launcher pro, and app2card. You have to remember that when the phone reboots and seems to have FC problems, don't chose any home screen as the default, in case it crashes, and keep a spare app2card to reinstall on the sdcard. I think "severe" problems I had only twice, or so.
So, I have almost no problems. Most of the time it works really well. So well, in fact, that I'm a bit afraid to upgrade it, in case something breaks. And, I totally forgot what it is like to have to delete apps to install another one.
I have more of the opposite problem - finding an app among all those installed takes a realllly long time if you forgot its name. Apps organizer helps.
hello, i am new and i have flipout to test in poland orange network, i just root him using 1st post in this forum, great job! thanks
OK, I am having some problems with the current version of app2card. As I said, sometimes when I turn the device off and back on, app2card fails, and many apps give a FC which starting. Then one needs to fix the apps from app2card. It seems that once that is done, some apps lose some of their data. So, for example, droidwall (excellent program!!), lost all firewall data. I'll have to check if newer versions of app2card don't have this problem. It doesn't happen very often.
Instructions to root Flipout
Hi - I'd consider myself a newbie regarding rooting. I just got the AT&T Flipout - I really like the form factor. I just tried running the Universal Androot from my phone but got the security warning message about only being able to install from trusted sources.
Can someone point me in the right direction please?
Many thanks!
it says that with a lot of apps installed like that, including gmote that I downloaded from the developers site. Just look at what you're downloading like you would on any machine
go to settings > Application and tick on unknown sources to be able to install it.
Well, I should have listened to myself. I was going to stick with the stock gtab because of the dangers of modding a new ROM. I even started a thread about keeping my tablet stock.
But stock is so messed up and so hard to work with I decided to go ahead and mod Roebeet's 1.01a version.
It installed the first time. Then I reset the data from the Security Menu. Seemed to be running, but the Tnt side didn't work. Worked from the new Launcher menu and I thought I was home free.
Then it went off and automatically came back on, then the VS birds, the GTab, then birds, then tab.....off button no longer turns off....tried redoing the ROm again....no change....tried again....no change.
Loaded CWM 08 satisfactorily. Tried cleaning the data as suggested in threads. No change. I put 2.20 on another sd card. edited it for SDCARD2. Now I can't get CWM to see the external card to load it.
It did load CWM from SDCARD2!
I'm sure there's something I don't know or have done wrong, but I'm stalemated for the time being. Can't shut the machine off, so just have it idling on AC power.
Can anyone tell me how to get CWM to load from the SDCARD2 so I can see if TnT 2.20 or something else well work?
I'd appreciate suggestions. I knew I should have stuck with stock -- but didn't listen to myself. My bad!
Rev
Follow this guide word for word
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9439414&postcount=7
it will take you back to stock and you can start again.
Im pretty sure you just need to repartition the sdcard. Its under advanced in cwm.
butchconner said:
Well, I should have listened to myself. I was going to stick with the stock gtab because of the dangers of modding a new ROM. I even started a thread about keeping my tablet stock.
But stock is so messed up and so hard to work with I decided to go ahead and mod Roebeet's 1.01a version.
It installed the first time. Then I reset the data from the Security Menu. Seemed to be running, but the Tnt side didn't work. Worked from the new Launcher menu and I thought I was home free.
Then it went off and automatically came back on, then the VS birds, the GTab, then birds, then tab.....off button no longer turns off....tried redoing the ROm again....no change....tried again....no change.
Loaded CWM 08 satisfactorily. Tried cleaning the data as suggested in threads. No change. I put 2.20 on another sd card. edited it for SDCARD2. Now I can't get CWM to see the external card to load it.
It did load CWM from SDCARD2!
I'm sure there's something I don't know or have done wrong, but I'm stalemated for the time being. Can't shut the machine off, so just have it idling on AC power.
Can anyone tell me how to get CWM to load from the SDCARD2 so I can see if TnT 2.20 or something else well work?
I'd appreciate suggestions. I knew I should have stuck with stock -- but didn't listen to myself. My bad!
Rev
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CWM .12 (the newest one) actually reads from the microSD. But (and this is a big BUT) it has issues with non-padded boot.img files, which is what TnT Lite, and TnT stock based 1.01a1, and stock itself, use. So it's a double edged sword. I still use .08 because of this issue.
I would also recommend the SD card re-partition. You have cwm already so you are halfway there. Worst case it's nvflash time - I have a post on that process, as well.
Fate Zero,
Thanks for the quick reply. I had that post laying on the desk before I even started. It wouldn't work because the G-Tablet would not read or access SCCARD2 as I mentioned in the first post.
Rev
GideonX,
It wasn't that simple, but your suggestion was part of the solution!!! Thanks!!!
Rev
P. S. -- See answer to Roebeet for more info.
Roebeet,
I am back up on TnT 2.20 and your suggestion was a part of what I did.
I really believe something messed up the SDCARD2 operation. After I loaded CWM that way, I couldn't get it to work anymore and so the re-installs keep just trying to load the faulty 1.01a setup.
But here's what I did.
I found the USB option on the Mounts and Storage menu in CWM. I plugged in the cable to mini-USB and my PC. I mounted/turned on the USB and the drive popped up in Explorer on the PC. I could see the old "Update.zip" file and "Recovery" folder on the SDCARD (the ones for 1.01a) and so I erased them. I then copied in the TnT 2.20 files and shut down the links and went back to the G-Tablet and CWM. Still wouldn't work.
So I went to the Advanced menu and re-partitioned the SDCARD -- 2048 and 256 as everyone suggested. Then I just went down the menu in CWM and formatted all the system/cache/sdcard/etc. folders. Then I went by to the USB-PC connection and loaded the ROM files into the newly created and formatted SDCARD folder. Went to the other menu item and told it to apply the zip file -- which it immediately did setting up TnT 2.20.
That rebooted and I went through most of the basic setup, got wireless working, web, etc.
Only problem is I need to get Root Explorer installed to do the Market Fix, and when I went to ES Explorer to go to downloads and install it, it didn't find it in the market. So I will have to figure out a way to install or use something that will let me install the Root Explorer apk I have in the "Downloads" directory on the SDCARD.
I will try to re-think this account and re-write it more accurately when I'm not so bleary-eyed and thick-headed. I have not seen a G-Tablet account of someone rebuilding using the kind of "side-loaded" method I scrabbled together.
Suggestions on how to get to the downloads directory to install apps?
Rev
From CWM,
butchconner said:
Roebeet,
I am back up on TnT 2.20 and your suggestion was a part of what I did.
I really believe something messed up the SDCARD2 operation. After I loaded CWM that way, I couldn't get it to work anymore and so the re-installs keep just trying to load the faulty 1.01a setup.
But here's what I did.
I found the USB option on the Mounts and Storage menu in CWM. I plugged in the cable to mini-USB and my PC. I mounted/turned on the USB and the drive popped up in Explorer on the PC. I could see the old "Update.zip" file and "Recovery" folder on the SDCARD (the ones for 1.01a) and so I erased them. I then copied in the TnT 2.20 files and shut down the links and went back to the G-Tablet and CWM. Still wouldn't work.
So I went to the Advanced menu and re-partitioned the SDCARD -- 2048 and 256 as everyone suggested. Then I just went down the menu in CWM and formatted all the system/cache/sdcard/etc. folders. Then I went by to the USB-PC connection and loaded the ROM files into the newly created and formatted SDCARD folder. Went to the other menu item and told it to apply the zip file -- which it immediately did setting up TnT 2.20.
That rebooted and I went through most of the basic setup, got wireless working, web, etc.
Only problem is I need to get Root Explorer installed to do the Market Fix, and when I went to ES Explorer to go to downloads and install it, it didn't find it in the market. So I will have to figure out a way to install or use something that will let me install the Root Explorer apk I have in the "Downloads" directory on the SDCARD.
I will try to re-think this account and re-write it more accurately when I'm not so bleary-eyed and thick-headed. I have not seen a G-Tablet account of someone rebuilding using the kind of "side-loaded" method I scrabbled together.
Suggestions on how to get to the downloads directory to install apps?
Rev
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Bleary eyed as well (time for sleep) -- I personally use Titanium Backup for the (primary) Market fix. Has worked every time and I've done it a alot, as you might expect. I'm not sure why the file manager won't let you run an apk from the downloads section, but I believe you can download (and run) the TB apk right off their web site.
I'm guessing from the root explorer comment that you are trying the additional Market fix, for even more apps? Maybe you can get it working enough with the primary fix, to get root explorer? I see it in my own Marketplace, although it's not a free app.
Sounds like you are getting there. I replied back to your PM but I guess I saw it a little late
I was hoping you wouldn't run into a bunch of issues when I wrote you back. You will get it. I think you are almost there.. And I have been in the same boat myself a bunch of times. Nothing like thinking you just wrecked your new toy....
You can use the microsd to load the Vanilla with ClockworksMod, but you are still in a boot loop. So, like others stated format the internal SD. Then use your USB mount option to copy over the stock rom and flash. This will get you back up and running.
Reboot, install TNT lite using Clockwork, reboot, skip Google sign in. Install Titanium and clear that google process. Create a Google Account and reboot.
Market should work after that.
butchconner said:
Roebeet,
I am back up on TnT 2.20 and your suggestion was a part of what I did.
I really believe something messed up the SDCARD2 operation. After I loaded CWM that way, I couldn't get it to work anymore and so the re-installs keep just trying to load the faulty 1.01a setup.
But here's what I did.
I found the USB option on the Mounts and Storage menu in CWM. I plugged in the cable to mini-USB and my PC. I mounted/turned on the USB and the drive popped up in Explorer on the PC. I could see the old "Update.zip" file and "Recovery" folder on the SDCARD (the ones for 1.01a) and so I erased them. I then copied in the TnT 2.20 files and shut down the links and went back to the G-Tablet and CWM. Still wouldn't work.
So I went to the Advanced menu and re-partitioned the SDCARD -- 2048 and 256 as everyone suggested. Then I just went down the menu in CWM and formatted all the system/cache/sdcard/etc. folders. Then I went by to the USB-PC connection and loaded the ROM files into the newly created and formatted SDCARD folder. Went to the other menu item and told it to apply the zip file -- which it immediately did setting up TnT 2.20.
That rebooted and I went through most of the basic setup, got wireless working, web, etc.
Only problem is I need to get Root Explorer installed to do the Market Fix, and when I went to ES Explorer to go to downloads and install it, it didn't find it in the market. So I will have to figure out a way to install or use something that will let me install the Root Explorer apk I have in the "Downloads" directory on the SDCARD.
I will try to re-think this account and re-write it more accurately when I'm not so bleary-eyed and thick-headed. I have not seen a G-Tablet account of someone rebuilding using the kind of "side-loaded" method I scrabbled together.
Suggestions on how to get to the downloads directory to install apps?
Rev
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FateZero said:
Follow this guide word for word
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9439414&postcount=7
it will take you back to stock and you can start again.
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Worked flawlessly for me. Thanks!
All,
Thanks to those who replied for help, moral support, suggestions, and whatever.
I have been up on 2.2.0 ever since the malfunction that started all this and now have added my desired software, etc.
Bottom line is that with this experience I now think I know enough to hold things together and do whatever testing I want to do. I hate to have learned it the hard way. And I wish I had known enough about CWM to load it first and preserve the stock hardware on it.
I will say that IMHO the G-Tablet rocks. Yes, the screen is substandard, but I usually hold it in front of me or set it up on a stand anyhow. And straight on it's not bad. I will keep following watching for a screen mod.
Again, thanks all.
Rev
I have an HTC HD2. I'd like to run Android so I can use the Intuit credit card processing software....
I'm looking for simple, idiot-proof, acronym-free instructions on finding and installing a current, stable, functional Android...
I'm sure the folks that hang out here all the time know what all the acronyms are, but I'm a touch baffled... I figured out "sd" means the SD card in the phone. But, "NAND", "CWM" "MAGDLR", and some of the arcane terminology is confusing, and I don't know what I NEED to know and what I can safely ignore...
So, I can guess and pick some Android installation (it appears there are dozens of notes touting competing versions) but it would be simpler if someone in here can recommend something for a computer literate user that doesn't want to be a cell phone O/S expert...
Recommendations?
instructions:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
nand tools:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1090783
rom(cm7):http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933951
rom(miui):http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1028693
rom(sense):http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=954369
simple flashing order:make hspl 2.08 using hspl4-task 29-flash radio 2.15.....-flash mgldr-flash proper cwr partition for selected rom-if you use eu hd2 make sd-ext partition in sd(this can be done by mgldr)-put your rom.zip in sd-in mgldr choose ad recovery-install zip from sd-choose zip from sd-after installation complete press back then reboot.ask again if you stuck
Not to sound ungrateful 'cause I'm sure there's a lot of useful information in there somewhere, but this is exactly why I'm requesting something idiot-proof...
simple flashing order:make hspl 2.08 using hspl4-task 29-flash radio 2.15.....-flash mgldr-flash proper cwr partition for selected rom-if you use eu hd2 make sd-ext partition in sd(this can be done by mgldr)-put your rom.zip in sd-in mgldr choose ad recovery-install zip from sd-choose zip from sd-after installation complete press back then reboot.ask again if you stuck
Why am I flashing anything?
What is hspl 2.09 and why would I need it?
what on EARTH does "hspl4-task 29-flash radio 2.15" even MEAN?
why do I need a "proper cwr partition"?
and what rom am I selecting?
and on and on......
OK, so I presume the above is either a test or a bit of humor at the uninformed observer's expense (that'd be me)...
So, can I have all this translated from phone geek to dumb end user now?
Again, I presume I can just put Android on the SD card without a lot of pain and anguish, so still wondering what's a good, stable, fully-functional installation that'll run the GoPayment software and let me swipe credit cards through the phone...
my question, did you read the links? i mean really really read them? not just click and say "oh ****, that's a lot of text, i need help?" trust me....read them...then read them again...then read it again. it will start to make sense. your questions--
best read for a lot of your questions (besides what was posted above):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021837
Why am I flashing anything?
- you said you wanted android. technically you could use an sdcard rom, but he was just trying to give you what you asked for. guess the question should be why are YOU flashing anything?
you should ask - do i want windows mobile and android, only android (get rid of windows mobile all together) or windows phone (wp7) and android. only then can we point you in the right direction.
What is hspl 2.08 and why would I need it?
- read my thread above!!!!!! cuz you can't flash android without it (this is a custom bootloader that allows your windows mobile phone to install magldr or clk which allows you to install android to nand - aka install android to your phone)
what on EARTH does "hspl4-task 29-flash radio 2.15" even MEAN?
ignore the task 29 (i have never done this).
hspl4 will install hspl2.08 to your phone. this unlocks the bootloader. layman's terms - allows you to install magldr or clk to install android (or windows phone 7)
you need a particular radio to make this all work. that radio is 2.15. a radio is what allows your phone to make calls/data/etc. don't ask why this is, this is just the way it is. the radio your phone came with is likely different.
why do I need a "proper cwr partition"?
- cuz this allows you to install android. too small a partition, android won't fit. too large a partition, wasted space. just right partition = all good. you need to READ the rom thread to know what is the right partition.
and what rom am I selecting?
- you need to READ about the flavors of roms. there are a bunch. take one and try it. if it doesn't work, find another.
Again, I presume I can just put Android on the SD card without a lot of pain and anguish,
- yes, this is true
so still wondering what's a good, stable, fully-functional installation that'll run the GoPayment software and let me swipe credit cards through the phone
- beats me. but why not just try something? sdcard roms cannot in anyway hurt your phone.
now go read. and read. and read. and then experiment. good luck.
here is the best idiot proof way to get android on your phone. it is a winmo rom that has android already built in so you wont have to figure out what is what. its so easy even a cave man can do it.
Well, as usual, the secret to getting the right answer is asking the right question. And the trick to asking the right question is knowing most of the answer....
I didn't........
What I'd LIKE to do is have some current, fully functional version of Android available so I can process credit cards through my HD2 using a swiper. Over time, I may attempt to migrate other things to Android - like contacts and such. But initially, I'm just concerned about the CC processing.
So, as I understand what I want to do, putting Android on the SD card will work, and I just need to figure out which one of the umpteen versions is a good one. I'd like a home page that looks at least somewhat like my current Windows page. I"d like the buttons to continue to work as they currently do (as much as possible)....
I went out and started looking at the various SD Android versions here and selected the nexushd2-gingerbread v2.8 one because of a reply in a previous note asking for a "good" Android......
Installed it, and it works fine, although I"m not particularly fond of the home page. Put the GoPayment application on, plugged in the swiper, and ran a charge.... Appears to work fine, so it solves my primary problem...
Now, since I've figured out I'd prefer to use an SD installation, and have one that works, is there a "better" one that I should try? One that looks and feels more like the Windows Mobile 6.5 I'm used to? Or, is there one that has a different look and feel, but some functionality that makes it superior to the others?
This ROM I'm about to recommend dates back to last November...
However, I have tried every SD ROM since that time, used them for either a few hours/days/weeks, and still always returned to this one. It is just flawless, albeit Android 2.2.
Just download it, throw the 'Android' folder into the SD Card, and run the two files (CLRCAD.exe which appears to do nothing, but does enable the sound, and then Haret.exe)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847631&highlight=black+blue
If you decide to move off WinMob, then NANDs are good, but personally I just have a WinMob program which runs on boot and then executes those two files)
Enjoy!
dkperez said:
Now, since I've figured out I'd prefer to use an SD installation, and have one that works, is there a "better" one that I should try? One that looks and feels more like the Windows Mobile 6.5 I'm used to? Or, is there one that has a different look and feel, but some functionality that makes it superior to the others?
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do you like sense base builds or would you prefer 1 that doesn't have sense like cm7 or a miui ROM?
AmeriCanAndroid seems to be a favorite for a lot of people and is updated rather often but i personally like RafDroid HD found here. if you want to take a look at other android builds for the htc hd2 found here on xda check out this webpage. it will also give you some info about each ROM like the base, build, when it was updated & if it has sense or not. when you find one you want just click it & it will link you back to the page found on XDA.
Am I correct that "Sense" is the user interface used on the Windows Mobile HD2? If so, yes, I like it, but probably because I"m used to it. I'd have to try some different versions with different UIs to see what's most comfortable.
I'm currently running the nexushd2-gingerbread v2.8 one I downloaded yesterday. The UI is enough different that it's taking a little getting used to.
I'll have to give the others you mentioned a try, and go look at the web page that shows the different builds. I"m amazed at how many there are.
Just for fun I downloaded the AmeriCanAndroid 08/1/11 version and put it on the SD card..... Tried to run clrcad.exe and got the "CLRCAD annot be opened" error. Tried haret and got the same error. Both say "Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found..."
So, am I missing something simple or is there a problem with this build? I found a couple topics in here about problems with clrcad but they seemed to wander aimlessly without any resolution...
I've now looked through a couple DOZEN topics over the last year with complaints of exactly the problem I'm seeing with clrcad and haret... I don't see a resolution in ANY of them......
Yesterday, copied the files onto the phone for the nexus gingerbread Android, ran clrcad and haret and was up and running.......
Now, I've tried three different builds, including reinstalling the nexus one, and NONE of them will run. I get the same error for clrcad and haret every time.
Shutting down the phone didn't do anything.
I figure there's got to be a simple, obvious answer sitting here but I'm not finding it.
sense for windows mobile & sense for android are two different things. i personally dont know of any android rom or app thats availible in the market that will give you a windows mobile look or feel. i would find a rom that you want and then try & find a video on youtube that matches it so you can see what its like before you go through all the steps to flash it.
did you unzip AmeriCanAndroid or did you leave it in a zip file? i have since moved to nand builds so im going from memory which is starting to fail me in my old age but i think it needs to be unzipped using something like 7-zip. i think you just put the android folder on the root of your sd card. there is a video in the thread that shows you how to do the install. you can find that here.
so you tried to re-install something that worked for you yesterday but now you cant install it again? how long did you wait because with some builds it can take as long as 10-15 mins to install everything correctly. could you give me the steps you took step by step to try to install AmeriCanAndroid? i think thats the only way i would be able to help.
Yesterday I downloaded the Android 7z file. Unzipped it on the PC and let it create an android folder with all the files. Plugged in the phone and copied the android folder to the root of the SD card on the phone. Ran clrcad and haret on the phone and IT WORKED PERFECTLY.........
Today, just to try one of the builds recommended in here I downloaded a different android. did EXACTLY the same thing - unzipped with a 7z unzip, copied it to an android folder in the root of the phone, ran clrcad and got the error. Ran haret and got the same error........
Cleaned off the android folder on the phone, rebooted, tried a soft reset, etc.
Copied the nexus android build from the PC to the phone - EXACTLY AS I DID YESTERDAY WHEN IT WORKED. Ran clrcad and got the error......
I don't know what's going on with the phone or the Android builds or what, but there are a LOT of entries here and elsewhere on the web about people having exactly this problem. And so far I haven't seen the answer that makes this problem go away......
My recollection is that I had EXACTLY the same problem about 6 months ago. Installed an earlier version of Android and after the first time I rebooted the phone I could never get Android to run again. Just got the same clrcad and haret errors...
So, SOMEBODY, what's causing this and how do I get rid of it WITHOUT having to do some hard reset the destroys everything on the phone?
Back up any data on you sd card you need (I.e. pics, vids, music, whatever you feel important.) Download the Panasonic sd formatter and format your sd card. Copy over the android folder that is in the 7zip that you have unzipped. You should be able to boot ok from there.
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Formatted from the PC.
Installed the formatter on the PC. Formatted the SD card. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. Copied the Android folder (the identical folder I copied yesterday) to the SD card, and STILL get exactly the same error from clrcad.....
Is this something that happens a lot? 'Cause so far, the two times I've had Android on this phone this has happened. And there are a LOT of topics out there with exactly this problem, and a lot of unsuccessful "do this" that don't appear to work. Does ANYBODY had a real fix for this? It worked perfectly 24 hours ago, now it doesn't. My BIG concern is that if Android is flaky and unreliable on the SD card I can't use this thing to do credit card processing if it's going to randomly fail and not be bootable.
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Yesterday I downloaded the Android 7z file. Unzipped it on the PC and let it create an android folder with all the files. Plugged in the phone and copied the android folder to the root of the SD card on the phone. Ran clrcad and haret on the phone and IT WORKED PERFECTLY.........
Today, just to try one of the builds recommended in here I downloaded a different android. did EXACTLY the same thing - unzipped with a 7z unzip, copied it to an android folder in the root of the phone, ran clrcad and got the error. Ran haret and got the same error........
Cleaned off the android folder on the phone, rebooted, tried a soft reset, etc.
So, SOMEBODY, what's causing this and how do I get rid of it WITHOUT having to do some hard reset the destroys everything on the phone?
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your suppose to copy the unzipped android folder to the root of your sd card and not your phone. i think thats why your getting an error.
example: download rom and unzip using 7-zip. take the "Android" folder not AmeriCanAndroid from within that file and drag_drop or copy_paste to the root of your sd card. then using a file manager from within winmo go to the android folder & run clrcad and then haret. it should run fine. you can also use a program called Rundroid that automats some of the work. its a great app that will allow you to dual boot android but i think you might find it useful as well, you can find it here. RunDroid will allow you to run several android builds from your sd, not just 1.
fwiw, I can't (won't) say anything bad about any custom ROM offered on this board. My own favorite (to use) is a personal choice, which doesn't make it superior to any other - though it may be. It's just what I'm used to, what works for me and what I'm satisfied with.
Doesn't matter if you use a stock HD2 WinMo setup, or a custom WinMo ROM on your HD2. An Android SD build won't interfere with it. And so... (personally) I use AmericanAndroid (ACA). It IS used by a majority of folks for good reason. - BUT - I'm trying my best to be careful and clear with YOU that it may not be the best solution for you or anyone else in particular. We don't play favorites on this site for good reason! For me though... it is an extremely easy ROM to implement.
So you're having a bit of trouble with clrcad & haret... No Problemo.
Google is your friend... find and install under WinMo the 'exceller bootloader'. You'll boot WinMo... and then run Exceller. It will shut down WinMo and run clrcad & haret.
Make sure you've properly installed ACA on your SD card first. No need to partition your SD card. Make sure you're clear with the instructions on the first page and be sure to edit the startup.txt file (before installation) to change the LCD pixel density from 167 (default) to 240... unless you have eagle eyes or like tiny icons & text.
This is your simplest solution, and... get to know it a bit before you swap it for something that might (possibly) not be better. There's a reason a majority of users have chosen to use this Android build.
I'd wish you good luck, but luck has nothing to do with these things. Have fun with it! -Rob
Yes, EVERYTHING was copied to the Android folder OF THE SD CARD......
I have no problem installing yet another piece of software to (hopefully) get the necessary clrcad and haret files to run, but THIS WORKED TWO DAYS AGO. Without a bootloader or anything else. It worked.....
And yes, Google is quite effective. It showed me dozens of topics in forums where people complained of EXACTLY the problem I'm having. What it DIDN'T show me was a fix that didn't involve reformatting the SD card, REPLACING the SD card, doing a hard reset on the phone, and (this one I haven't seen before) installing a boot loader to hopefully get around the issue... BTW: all the above with the exception of the boot loader were tried by people with no success.
FWIW: I"m not criticizing any of the Android builds in here. I'm sure they're largely excellent, with slightly different flavors. And they represent a huge amount of work, of which I'm cognizant and appreciative.
I presume the problem is with Windows Mobile, NOT the Android builds, but it would be comforting to have somebody provide a solution to why it works when installed, and doesn't work after a reboot. Did all those other people that had the same problem do what I did six months ago and just give up on Android as being more work than it was worth? This isn't an isolated problem, there are dozens (and probably hundreds) of instances of people not being able to get Android to boot.
Anyhow, I"ll go find an exceller bootloader and try that. Hopefully, the thing is controllable so if things still fail I can get back to Windows...
I spoke too soon....... It's early here (having started this again at 04:00), and maybe my brain just isn't working yet, or it could VERY possibly be that I'm just too stupid to be allowed to mess with this whole thing, but I eventually found a copy of EBL2.1a._PlusUbuntu.CAB and downloaded it to the PC.
Then I went and found instructions on installing a cab file on the HD2. According to them I just COPY the cab file from the folder on the pc to My Documents on the SD card of the phone, then disconnect the phone from the PC, navigate to the folder, and click on the cab file.......
OK, sounds simple enough....... Did so.
Got a popup on the phone that said it was "Installing ..." At the bottom I got "The program is from an unknown publisher... Do you want to continue?"
So, I clicked YES...... Again, fairly idiot-proof........
And got "Installation of EBL2.1a._PlusUbuntu.CAB was unsuccessful."
Nothing else.... Just the message on a blank screen...
I"ll leave out the amount of screaming and swearing I"m doing at this point.....
Hello !
I am feeling really down today after been trying to get my phone working again.
There is a huge problem currently, I am really annoyed that it doesn't work at all.
First thing, my phone won't start after update it just boot loops and never seem to end it.
First thing I noticed /boot, /cache /system and most things are gone, I can load up recovery but nothing more. I have no idea what happened but the whole image folder was wiped and I had to myself put in the CWM recovery.
I can't do an upgrade "again" as it will be stuck @ the unpacking part without starting it at all.
I been trying with 2.3 V2 and with B133(My stock rom I got).
If anyone has a solution that can solve this problem please help out if you could. Also if you are about to tell me get this and that, please most cases I haven't seen any of the Firmware roms in @modaco wiki links work. Means I can't download them, so if you happen to have spare copy please upload it and link it to me. I have been googling and looking through this section twice, nothing really worked out.
Thanks in advance !
If you didn't erase the .cust_backup partition which contain the image folder with all system' s .img files, then maybe it' s damaged. I had some problems with this partition before and when I checked it with windows check disk it repairs it and I had no problems from then. So, try this, and if you still haven' t any file on image folder, you can find the original folder on X5' s forums. Is definately here, but I don't remember where is the link and I don't gonna search it for you. If you cannot find it, you can allways reflash the original rom. If you fix the partition(if this is the problem), I don't think that you'll have problems with update any more.
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If you didn't erase the .cust_backup partition which contain the image folder with all system' s .img files, then maybe it' s damaged. I had some problems with this partition before and when I checked it with windows check disk it repairs it and I had no problems from then. So, try this, and if you still haven' t any file on image folder, you can find the original folder on X5' s forums. Is definately here, but I don't remember where is the link and I don't gonna search it for you. If you cannot find it, you can allways reflash the original rom. If you fix the partition(if this is the problem), I don't think that you'll have problems with update any more.
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Hello, thanks for the reply.
I have no idea about this .cust_backup partition and how I am supposedly to access it via windows. Also the thing you said about fixing partition within Windows, the check disk thing. I am not sure about that part either as I can load CWM and it can read the partitions but they are empty. Also there is nothing in this forums that contains original things, only way for me to fix this if someone have extra copy and can guide me on how and where to place the all needed files. I am pretty sure it's only things that are missing and I can't get a grip out of this.
So to sum up what my problem is.
I did an upgrade from 2.2 to 2.3 with official firmware, it worked out normally but after a reboot my phone became stuck in an endless loop, I can't do anything and it will not I repeat it will not allow me to "re flash" any firmware I tried so far, the 2.3 V2 and B133.
I am begging someone in this forum section, please if you have the knowledge about this problem care to help?
I can't get a refund out the phone warrenty is off and I do not have that much spare money.
Thanks in advance !
If you can get to recovery, wipe cache and data. It should be possible in stock recovery.
The cust partition has all the images for bootloader, recovery etc. You can get to it with the pink screen. Reformatting and then reinserting the images and files could help, but try that when nothing else works.
I can't give you good help via phone, but try wiping data first. Also, try if you can use some other sd card.
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If you can get to recovery, wipe cache and data. It should be possible in stock recovery.
The cust partition has all the images for bootloader, recovery etc. You can get to it with the pink screen. Reformatting and then reinserting the images and files could help, but try that when nothing else works.
I can't give you good help via phone, but try wiping data first. Also, try if you can use some other sd card.
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The most common things I have already done, but do enlighten me what this "custom" parition is. Because in windows I do not see such partition I see a removable partition which I have now added a folder called image with these containing files.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370960
EDIT ** Also regarding to first person who said about Windows partition manager. The thing is I see a lot of partitions and there is no labeling for them, might be because they are ext2/3 or even something else? In anycase I can't do so much I just find it really odd I have many duplicates and I am guessing that must be errors... Because I am seeing the main recovery partition which has no label too... its at 240 MB where 135MB is used. Lastly there is my internal SD card empty and healthy still I can't reach it within Windows if I do not mount it...And can't now without going into the android OS. I Have loads of free space "partitions I don't understand why they are there".
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Thanks for helping out, it feels not good to have a half dead phone, it's still not solved :'-(
The .cust_backup is the mount point on android for this removable partition with image folder. In windows haven' t this name. I didn't mean to use the windows partition manager, just to use windows explorer, right click on the partition and choose properties, then tools and then check disk. Of course you can use partition manager too, but because as you found there are all no labeled other partitions there and is a bit confused.
As you mentioned, you found the original image folder and you replaced the files. Did you tried to do the update again after that?
Also you can see and the internal sd partiton, but you need linux system. This partition is not fat32, so windows cannot see it.
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The .cust_backup is the mount point on android for this removable partition with image folder. In windows haven' t this name. I didn't mean to use the windows partition manager, just to use windows explorer, right click on the partition and choose properties, then tools and then check disk. Of course you can use partition manager too, but because as you found there are all no labeled other partitions there and is a bit confused.
As you mentioned, you found the original image folder and you replaced the files. Did you tried to do the update again after that?
Also you can see and the internal sd partiton, but you need linux system. This partition is not fat32, so windows cannot see it.
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I have placed all things that I got from here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370960
And I can't run the upgrade firmware, it gets stuck at first stage which is to unpack the the update.app thing.
It just stays like that not blinking and frozen.
Did you tried now that you have the original files, to go to recovery mode and wipe data etc?
Also when you try to do the upgrade do you have the device connected with the cable?
I had this problem once and I think that when I disconnected the cable(or maybe wasn' t connected and I connected it, I don't remember well), the proccess bar starts to moving after a while and the upgrade completed successfully.
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Did you tried now that you have the original files, to go to recovery mode and wipe data etc?
Also when you try to do the upgrade do you have the device connected with the cable?
I had this problem once and I think that when I disconnected the cable(or maybe wasn' t connected and I connected it, I don't remember well), the proccess bar starts to moving after a while and the upgrade completed successfully.
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You are not understanding me :-(, I have wiped already millions of times in millions of different ways just to get it work. And no, I don't have the device connrected when I upgrade, it won't work properly then, I have tried to wait for the progress bar to "start" move it won't happen the battery will die, and nothing happened.
I can't go in with normal Recovery mode, can only go in with CWM, the normal recovery mode is really small, I mean only 3mb, while the froyo version is 5mb. Now I am asking if you have the time to upload the image files from 2.3 V2, the ones in forums are for V1. Which I don't know might conflict.
Thanks again for trying to help me out, this is really frustrating to get it to work.
**EDIT**
I worked it out !
I think I understood what you meant, I did as you told I started first with pluggin in the charger forced it to upgrade and now it's upgrading, thank you so much dancer_69. I was going to go tomorrow to buy a new 2nd hand smartphone. But now I can save my money for other things !
**EDIT of EDIT **
I seem to have downgraded to B133, I will try now with B158 2.3 V2 again and hopefully it will work now.
Yes, wasn't clear because I don' t remember what I've done and solve it. But I think that I did it like you discribed too.
Anyway I'm glad that was helpful(kind of)..
And don' t give up so soon with smartphone' s bricks, I've faced brick kind of problems many times and if the device it' s not completely dead, there is something you can do. Maybe need more search or many tries(sometimes the same things) but at the end(and of course If there isn't a hardware problem) device can unbrick.
So i am here with a new idea. A rescue.zip which can be used to rescue any android device which have a recovery like the famous cwm.
So here is it..
Some times we people screw up our android os like hell, and to reboot the device we usualy do a recovery flash of a new os, flash back our nandroid backup ( both on worst conditions) or even do permission fix, clean cache or dalvic cache( those in 'not that worse' conditions) . So thats are all the options we got. Rit?
Although flashing recovery backups, new roms can fix all, it will also eatup our apps, current setups, contacts, msgs, etc( in case we dont have backups) and will probably screw us. All we can do is say " WTF..WTF..WTF.."
SO here is my idea,
Find out the causes of what causes a reboot, non-boot, hang,fc etc.
And keep a zip that can be flashed through recovery, that has a solution for our problem. They may be including..
1) fix permission of system, data, and user data.
2) zipalign the apps
3) fix the default clock speed of processor
4) defragment memory
5) flash a new copy of su and busy box
6)wipe data or system or ext or cache or dalvic cache
7) flash a new copy of framework.res, system-ui.apk, settings.apk with default permissions( those files are kept in separate "custom" folder on the zip, so that end user can put their own files to that "custom" folder for flashing., the reason behind it is known to all, yap. Not all devices have them in common, every device have its own files)
These are all i got for now, pls post ur ideas and knowledge for any possible cure about any problem u faced/ cured. So that we can make it an ultimate rescue.zip that have a cure for 99% problems android os have. The rest 1% will go with a clean flash.( well we cant avoid that if we did something that bad).
So my plan is to use aroma installer( now on hard learning to find how it works). Throw in some scripts, files etc. Into the zip.
And since its not a device specific .zip file, i want to know how and why any problems are caused in any device( there are many common problems, but that is not what i ask for. I ask for device/os specific problems, and not for a problem that we can cure after booting, but for a problem that can make the device un-bootable) . So u people may help me to find those problems and cures for it. For my knowledge i have experience with wildfire and hd2.
Well i will keep this thread for a week or two, so that u can post ur knowledge, and info. after that i will release the file for u.
To the admin. Of the forum, pls keep this thread as announcement so that all can take a look.
HYPERDROID EXTREEM EDITION-THE NEW BENCHMARK ROM FOR HD2.