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2.1 in Q3

blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/06/16/x8-announcement-and-xperia-updates/
I smell "No x10 firmware update until Q3"....

disroyal said:
blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/06/16/x8-announcement-and-xperia-updates/
I smell "No x10 firmware update until Q3"....
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omg yeah just read this in a tweet! does this mean Q4 we get 2.2!? dammit just release it already!!!!

kmaximax said:
omg yeah just read this in a tweet! does this mean Q4 we get 2.2!? dammit just release it already!!!!
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Well the 2.2 isn't even mentioned, i doubt we will get it in this year.
BTW, great news, so we will get the 2.1 somewhere near september, not bad.

We are of course very glad to offer this upgrade earlier than originally planned. Xperia™ X10’s position will also be further strengthened through the addition of HD video recording as part of the same Q3 upgrade. A further upgrade to the Xperia™ X10 in Q4 will make it possible to connect and display wirelessly content on your television and enhance the Timescape™ and Mediascape applications.
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Froyo (wifi hotspot) hint?

Yes, read it on Easto, Such a great news And Mikrokiwi, You've a point

dlna
they mean

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oh yea, makes sense
I've heard that they will skip froyo and move on to gingerbread anyway, but that is just pure speculations/rumors as always ^^

I really wish I could believe them when they say Q3...
The good thing is that we have a fairly functional Donut, we could've been stuck on a stock version and that would've been painful. When you avoid the cool but oh so slow stock apps like Timescape and add some stuff from the market it's a really nice OS.
What would be awesome though was if we could get vanilla images without all the extra stuff bolted on and the ability to customise it fully. But without root that's not gonna happen. :/

Sounds like the root news has scared them abit lol

Nice move SE
That's good to hear. I see where SE is going with this. Previously they planned one big 2.1 update on Q4 but after receiving numerous complaints they divided it into "2 phases" updates in Q3 and Q4. It’s clear from the announcement that the promised DLNA support along with other features will be postponed until phase 2 on Q4.

mikrokiwi said:
Froyo (wifi hotspot) hint?
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I think its more about Google TV. Probably u can use ur phone as remote or so.

Don't you just love how NOTHING about that small update was mentioned? Did they just stop with that one all together, or what?

great news!!! seems that SE started to listen to the market and customers. love SE!!!

so the first rollout will be september 30th! Just keep that in your mind and you will be ok!

Hopeful, but im still doubtful. Time will tell so lets hope they get it right.
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Theaccomplice88 said:
Don't you just love how NOTHING about that small update was mentioned? Did they just stop with that one all together, or what?
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* Apologies. I am aware that we haven’t followed up on the post re smaller software update that Sumit did a couple of weeks ago. We will get back to you with more info on this very shortly (read very shortly)
Wouldnt that be a little info?

At least it sounds like they're starting to listen to their customers "a little".
To survive on the market they have to provide smaller, faster update cycles. It's the new model to stay competitive. Releasing monolithic updates that take forever just doesn't work anymore because there are so many other alternatives available and people don't have to wait. They'll just move on and then all the work put into the update is wasted because no one is using your product.
So fingers crossed.

gr00vy0ne said:
At least it sounds like they're starting to listen to their customers "a little".
To survive on the market they have to provide smaller, faster update cycles. It's the new model to stay competitive. Releasing monolithic updates that take forever just doesn't work anymore because there are so many other alternatives available and people don't have to wait. They'll just move on and then all the work put into the update is wasted because no one is using your product.
So fingers crossed.
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That's not how SE thinks and works. A more obvious explanation would be the Release of the X8 , so they try to push the Phone ASAP to the market and as both Phones, with slightly differences , have the same Specs they try to get the X8 on the market WITH Android 2.1 , so they have to hurry up and as they do 2.1 for the X8 they spend the update to the X10 a bit earlier. SE learned how the market reacted to their release of the X10 with Android 1.6 and I'm almost sure they won't do the same mistake with the X8.
SE is pushing new Models to the market very quick and they want to sell them all. When we get 2.1 we can be happy because i don't see a further Release of 2.2 or higher for the X10 , this will be exclusive for their new Flagships.

All android phones shall be getting updates.
The only way flagships shall differ will be through hardware.
From a reliable source.

se_dude said:
All android phones shall be getting updates.
The only way flagships shall differ will be through hardware.
From a reliable source.
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So all devices will have outdated OS:es, but flagships will have beefier hardware they can't use?

Gingerbread Confimed

Hey, just ran across this little fact sheet from motorola, I know we have a leaked build hanging around too but here is something official.
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Fact-Sheets/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-Fact-Sheet-353b.aspx

designgears said:
Hey, just ran across this little fact sheet from motorola, I know we have a leaked build hanging around too but here is something official.
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Fact-Sheets/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-Fact-Sheet-353b.aspx
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good find. Lets hope they realize that 2.3 is a waste and to skip to 2.4 gingerbread with dual core capabilities

If they packaged it with a bootloader unlock they could make a lot of folks long time motorola users. I love everything else about my phone. Can live with it either way but I can dream
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What daveop said. As of now, I would totally be willing to go through switch carriers after this. This better be a worthwhile update (or updates, which ever is faster).

I wonder if it'll still be a Motoblur based update...

It doesn't make sense for motorola to remove blur. They actually advertised the "feature". If they remove it, lots of people will complain (not us, but we are on a different demographic)
So, don't get your hopes up, expect blur. And don't expect 2.4 either, we already know they are working on 2.3. 2.4 doesn't even have a release date yet people.

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I wonder if it'll still be a Motoblur based update...
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They would never just drop MotoBlur, they have probably spent a lot of time and money on it.
I just want an unlocked bootloader. The Dev's are better at maximizing the phone's potential than the manufacturers.

designgears said:
Hey, just ran across this little fact sheet from motorola, I know we have a leaked build hanging around too but here is something official.
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Fact-Sheets/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-Fact-Sheet-353b.aspx
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Ok, someone has to be the pessimist and say it; what does "this year" mean?

jpasint said:
Ok, someone has to be the pessimist and say it; what does "this year" mean?
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Def, If we where in September I wouldn't mind but we could be waiting long. lol

jpasint said:
Ok, someone has to be the pessimist and say it; what does "this year" mean?
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"Later this year" = Don't hold your breath.

It just a holy crap.
Motorola never update

Holy crap. it says they will enable 1080p streaming in an update!
Maybe they will enable HDMI mirroring along with it

Hopefully by "Later this year", they don't mean December or so.

Realistically speaking if you want 2.4 on a phone, you will have to get one of the newest phones coming out - Galaxy S 2 etc. This phone wont see that until next summer at earliest.

PixoNova said:
Hopefully by "Later this year", they don't mean December or so.
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Knowing moto, they're gonna wait as long as possible, so December 31st at 11:59pm.
However, if you live in Canada (like me), they'll give us a later date, then lie about it.
So for us it would be early q1 of 2012, but then at early q1 of 2012, the update still isn't given (this is what's happening with the milestone right now, it was suppose to get 2.2 at early q1 of 2011, and they still didn't give us 2.2, and early q1 is over already).

andy2na said:
good find. Lets hope they realize that 2.3 is a waste and to skip to 2.4 gingerbread with dual core capabilities
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Haha, where do people get this stuff? /sigh

I do hope it comes sooner for those who really want it.
Personally speaking, and this really is personal, I'm still getting used to using Froyo as the Atrix is my first smartphone. That isn't to say I don't want the update to come soon, of course. But at least there's plenty to play around with and learn up until that point.

ANDY12001 said:
It just a holy crap.
Motorola never update
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well that's funny, considering that when you look at what manufacturers release updates, Motorola is #2, only behind HTC.
I'm also betting AT&T will get better about updating now that iphone exclusivity is gone. I think the captivate froyo update is soon if not already around, and the Aria is getting froyo soon too.

From what i understand motorola was one of the faster manufacturers to get out updates.....anything will be better than samsung....my captivate is just now getting official froyo and its not even 2.2.1
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Samsung's that bad, huh.
Yeah, from what I have read, Motorola's pretty good with their flagship devices. Comparatively of course.

ICS update delayed... Won't come OTA

Doesn't look good for the Verizon crowd.
http://androidcommunity.com/sony-announces-ice-cream-sandwich-delays-no-ota-updates-either-20120330/
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Wonder what impact this will have on root
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I like it. It sounds like they're going to straight-up release it for use with Flashtool. With the work that the developers have done in porting roms to the R800x, chevyowner in particular, it should be a really good development in terms of updates.

please add cdma to this thread title, otherwise a lot of gsm use will get a shock for their life xD

It doesn't really pertain specifically to CDMA. It's a general deal, apparently, that Sony is delaying, and aren't releasing OTAs.

Verizon's Firmware is different from Sony's, so I still believe if Verizon does update your devices that it will be OTA, As of other carriers, I don't know.

The .145 firmware was a UK firmware that supported CDMA variants, which is mostly the Verizon Xperia Play. I believe if Sony could do it then, they can do it again. I'm holding out hope for this one.

I'm patiently awaiting the UK ICS Rom for my r800x.

Check this post out. Awesome news ! http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/03/3...to-ics/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Check this post out. Awesome news ! http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/03/3...to-ics/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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We just sore this. So the beta was a plan to keep us semi happy i guess

poo-tang said:
We just sore this. So the beta was a plan to keep us semi happy i guess
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Yeah... but atleast they've told us that if it'll run on 2011 Xperia devices or not so we don't jump in straight and update to Ice Cream Sandwich which then would be a problem for us.
So, I guess all us with a 2011 Xperia model will have to stay on Gingerbread. Well I don't mind as long as everything runs smoothly which it does on Gingerbread.
I am still a unhappy though cause I was looking forward to ICS I waited so long !

I had a feeling it was a bad sign when Verizon offered me a free upgrade..... Glad they chose to grease the squeaky wheel.... Still sucks though....

You know what? I think sony tells us bullsh*t... my friend has Nexus S with OFFICIAL ICS and it's perfectly smooth. This phones specs are similar to ours - 512 MB of RAM and 1GHz CPU. There aren't any problems on it so it means having nicely optimized ICS on our phones is possible but it seems Sony are sh*tting pants now and telling us right before ICS launch that it won't be running smooth because it needs more resources. I think they are too lazy, there were always problems with their company if we talk about upgrades. X10 has got 2.3 for 8 months and it's still full of bugs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who afraids of this upgrade and not the only one who's mad at them (look at the comments on their blog). They promised great update and now they made us thinking is there a sense of upgrading to ICS if it's so slow in their opinion. Shame on you, Sony.
EDIT: Besides - Sony will soon launch Xperia Neo L in China. The phone with THE SAME hardware specs as our phones. So that means its ICS will be slow too? What's the point in releasing the phone with "slow SQL, low ram and heavy CPU use"?

romcio47 said:
You know what? I think sony tells us bullsh*t... my friend has Nexus S with OFFICIAL ICS and it's perfectly smooth. This phones specs are similar to ours - 512 MB of RAM and 1GHz CPU. There aren't any problems on it so it means having nicely optimized ICS on our phones is possible but it seems Sony are sh*tting pants now and telling us right before ICS launch that it won't be running smooth because it needs more resources. I think they are too lazy, there were always problems with their company if we talk about upgrades. X10 has got 2.3 for 8 months and it's still full of bugs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who afraids of this upgrade and not the only one who's mad at them (look at the comments on their blog). They promised great update and now they made us thinking is there a sense of upgrading to ICS if it's so slow in their opinion. Shame on you, Sony.
EDIT: Besides - Sony will soon launch Xperia Neo L in China. The phone with THE SAME hardware specs as our phones. So that means its ICS will be slow too? What's the point in releasing the phone with "slow SQL, low ram and heavy CPU use"?
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Agreed. Sony are playing with us. They are very very lazy indeed.
So Peed of right now

I always knew ICS was a bad operating system and this is proof of it.
If you want a fast phone stick with COLA rom.
trust me.
ICS is like putting lipstick on a pig.
the whole thing reeks of slow /bloatware and "pretty effects"
you know what i say to that? F*** that S***
I dont give a d*** about what it looks like.

Hogwarts said:
I always knew ICS was a bad operating system and this is proof of it.
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So, just because Sony can't implement it properly in the Xperia line and they say so in advance, ICS is a bad version?

Logseman said:
So, just because Sony can't implement it properly in the Xperia line and they say so in advance, ICS is a bad version?
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lol true. It's got nothing to with ICS but it's all got to do with the Sony Delevopers !

And it's good that they actually highlight these possible issues anyway! I would much rather know this than update blindly and find them later by myself. Then again, what people seem to want is to hear that their device is magical. It sells better indeed.

First thing I'm doing upon getting the official update is to remove Bloat like Music Unlimited ****...

Reapman said:
Wonder what impact this will have on root
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None. We have root now
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Droid RAZR to get Android 4.0.4 Ice Cream Sandwich on June 12

It’s always a pleasure to be the bearer of good news, especially when it comes to sharing with people what we know about an impending arrival of Ice Cream Sandwich on their Android devices. But before we do, we just want to make sure you know that this hasn’t been fully confirmed yet by Verizon. With that in mind, owners of Motorola Droid RAZR may want to mark down June 12 on their calendar, as that’s the date that Verizon apparently will roll out the ICS update for the two Droids.
According to internal sources quoted by CNET, the OTA update to Android 4.0.4 Ice Cream Sandwich for both Droid RAZR and RAZR Maxx will be pushed out on June 12. While there were plans to bring it out earlier, there was an issue with the server that was supposed to deliver the update — hopefully that’s been dealt with now.
The June 12 date certainly still falls in line with what Motorola has written on its website, where the ICS upgrade roll out for Droid RAZR and RAZR Maxx is expected to start in Q2 2012. In this case, the end of the second quarter more like. As always, we’ll let you know once we have more details. Feel free to share with our readers if you have some information or heard otherwise about the ICS update for the Droid RAZR and Droid RAZR Maxx.
let's wish motorola atrix 4g will get it in early july
Source : AndroidAuthority

My money is on late Q3 for Atrix. Likely September I think.
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What's up with all these threads on ICS for non-Atrix phones?
Motorola said Q2 for the Droid RAZR. Q2 is almost at an end. If that's any indication of future performance, ICS for the Atrix may not come until closer to Q4.

Maybe this is great new for us. That update might have something usefull for our devs. Of course, not drivers, but maybe our very first Blur ICS Rom. plus Webtop 3.0 (Tablet ICS). Idk, maybe im too positive Lol.

I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola decides to push it back in late Q4.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola decides to push it back in late Q4.
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I wouldn't be surprised if at&t blocks it all together to try to get people to buy there already ics enabled phones. Or if they dont have a selection to block it so people will hold out for the next newest thing they'll get.

I'm hoping we'll see the soak test at the end of July and OTA by August just like last year's Gingerbread update.

djluis48 said:
Maybe this is great new for us. That update might have something usefull for our devs. Of course, not drivers, but maybe our very first Blur ICS Rom. plus Webtop 3.0 (Tablet ICS). Idk, maybe im too positive Lol.
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We'd need a phone with a Tegra 2 chipset.
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i doubt, maybe atrix dont receive update now.

ruterjunior said:
i doubt, maybe atrix dont receive update now.
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Have you seen something to make you think this?
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d3athsd00r said:
Have you seen something to make you think this?
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Doubt it. It's typical data-free speculation from the glass-is-half-empty crowd.

MJPollard said:
Doubt it. It's typical data-free speculation from the glass-is-half-empty crowd.
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Is the glass half empty or half full?
To the Lean Engineer it's just too damned big!!!

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I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola decides to push it back in late Q4.
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I still think late Q3/early Q4. IMO the carriers will be more to blame getting their bloat on there. Then again all it really takes is one carrier worldwide, and CM9 will truly be in full effect.
I could care less about stock anyway. Once CM pulls out what it needs, I'll be wiping my phone for some CM9 goodness...
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consolation said:
We'd need a phone with a Tegra 2 chipset.
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As i said, not for drivers, but maybe something from the gui or anything
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atrix does not suports??
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The European Atrix is not very likely going to get ICS - back in February they first marked it as coming in Q3 and then set it back to Evaluation & Planning.
So I wouldn´t be suprised if they cancel the Update for North America. See, the Atrix is 1.5 years old and although it still can be regarded as "High End", there are other, newer phones from Motorola in the pipeline. Call me glass-half-empty, I´m just realistic. Motorola, like any other company, has to make profit and shelling out money for an update for an outdated device (yes, it can be considered as such since there is already an Atrix 2) is just a service.
I still hope to see my Atrix rocking fully functional ICS, but I wouldn´t be suprised if it never happened.
Just my 2 cents

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The European Atrix is not very likely going to get ICS - back in February they first marked it as coming in Q3 and then set it back to Evaluation & Planning.
So I wouldn´t be suprised if they cancel the Update for North America. See, the Atrix is 1.5 years old and although it still can be regarded as "High End", there are other, newer phones from Motorola in the pipeline. Call me glass-half-empty, I´m just realistic. Motorola, like any other company, has to make profit and shelling out money for an update for an outdated device (yes, it can be considered as such since there is already an Atrix 2) is just a service.
I still hope to see my Atrix rocking fully functional ICS, but I wouldn´t be suprised if it never happened.
Just my 2 cents
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I hear what your saying, but I think the update is more of a public relations move. Our phone was only 8 months old when ics came out. There was lots of negative feedback towards moto for the response time about ics. If they dropped support on a flagship phone they would lose customers indefinitely.
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They would certainly loose me...
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schwarzlichtkind said:
The European Atrix is not very likely going to get ICS - back in February they first marked it as coming in Q3 and then set it back to Evaluation & Planning.
So I wouldn´t be suprised if they cancel the Update for North America. See, the Atrix is 1.5 years old and although it still can be regarded as "High End", there are other, newer phones from Motorola in the pipeline. Call me glass-half-empty, I´m just realistic. Motorola, like any other company, has to make profit and shelling out money for an update for an outdated device (yes, it can be considered as such since there is already an Atrix 2) is just a service.
I still hope to see my Atrix rocking fully functional ICS, but I wouldn´t be suprised if it never happened.
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This makes little sense.
If a customer sees that their device is "old" compared to others, and realizes that the issue is lack of support from Moto, the response will be to buy another brand of phone.
On the scale of things, it is not a big effort for Moto to release for other devices based on the same platform. I would imagine the true engineering effort is almost nothing, and the bottleneck is just getting it thorugh QA.
I would be very surprised to not see an AtrixG4 released in August.

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They would certainly loose me...
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They lost me already
I love my Atrix, and don't see any other device, for now, to replace to. However, I really doubt if I will buy another Moto device, with the only excepsion of a Moto-made Nexus. Moto's policy of locking the bootloaders, along with a very questionable updating history probably burned Moto's future for me, which is quite a shame since I really love their building quality and simple-and-non-cloned designs.

LG Optimus 2X not getting official ICS!

Have you guys read? http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-Canada-no-Ice-Cream-Sandwich-for-the-Optimus-2X_id32715
This can be bad news for us. Remember how LG said that the O2X will get ICS in Q2 2012, and then delayed it to Q3 2012? Seems like its no longer getting it. The Optimus 2X is also a Tegra based phone, so who knows what might happen to our scheduled update...
What do you guys think? Probably Nvidia's fault?
Fingers crossed that our update is still on schedule and that we'll see a leak soon.
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Indeed if Nvidia is involved in this cancelling that would be a bad news... I tried getting some news on Twitter about the ICS update...
"Rollouts begin in Q3 2012" SERIOUSLY ?! :silly:
I think Motorola and other firms should make a step forward for their community and give them some more news... That's a pain not even knowing if we're getting official ICS or not !

HTC did the same thing to Desire with less than a month to go. I'm tellin ya...don't be surprised.

About two more months to go. Motorola might cancelled it at the last minute.

That would be the worst news we could have... But the Atrix is the first device having the Webtop feature... If we can get Nvidia drivers from other devices and Webtop 3.0 from the Razr or any other device it could work with some settings. The new Webtop is just a tablet mode and a video output switch, we can still hope having this feature even on community ROMs.

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lg did not dropped ics for o2x. that statement affects only the lg-p999, the canadian version of o2x. this was discussed at the optimus forum here.
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lg did not dropped ics for o2x. that statement affects only the lg-p999, the canadian version of o2x. this was discussed at the optimus forum here.
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Thanks for clarifying. That means we still got hope.
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Canadian carriers are scummy like that. Sign a 3 year contract (only way to get a discount on a phone), and get a whole 7 months of support.

I would happy even if Motorola said... only a vanilla Google experience will be made available, no webtop, nothing extra, take it or leave it.
I'd take it with no complaints,
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As much as webtop is a good idea, it was HDMI mirroring, or the lack of it that surprised me about this phone.
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jersonf said:
I would happy even if Motorola said... only a vanilla Google experience will be made available, no webtop, nothing extra, take it or leave it.
I'd take it with no complaints,
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I'd take it too, but I'd love to have FP sensor support, even on an AOSP ROM!

but the ATT atrix will. intl may not get it tho...
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I'd take it too, but I'd love to have FP sensor support, even on an AOSP ROM!
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atrix will get ics, and if any other tegra2 phone get JB, i dont doubt it help the atrix to get official jb too. atrix is one of the most known phones from motorola, so they may be giving it more love than to other brothers of im. lol

guidoido004 said:
but the ATT atrix will. intl may not get it tho...
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atrix will get ics, and if any other tegra2 phone get JB, i dont doubt it help the atrix to get official jb too. atrix is one of the most known phones from motorola, so they may be giving it more love than to other brothers of im. lol
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guidoido004, I remember you have a friend who works for company which works with motorola. Do you know the status of ICS upgrade for Atrix?

Im really hope official come out totally
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jersonf said:
I would happy even if Motorola said... only a vanilla Google experience will be made available, no webtop, nothing extra, take it or leave it.
I'd take it with no complaints,
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Heck, i would even take the drivers only, so that joker and the devs here can make their maigc.