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6kb/sec? thats slower than dialup!! I a cancelling my G1 order! Lets protest this!
This is from T-Mobile:
TMobile: If your total data usage in any billing cycle is more than 1GB, your data throughput for the remainder of that cycle may be reduced to 50 kbps or less. Your data session, plan, or service may be suspended, terminated, or restricted for significant roaming or if you use your service in a way that interferes with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users
It 1GB not 10GB
it is not 1gb im pretty sure t-mobile already established this
Welcome to last month. Tmobile announced at first it would be 1GB cap, but quickly changed that. But if you want to protest over something that isnt even true, go right ahead.
ok, T-Mobile didnt take it back but rephrased the sentence.
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T-Mobile Removes 1GB 3G Data Cap for G1 Android Phone
T-Mobile's just rolled back on their 1GB usage cap on their 3G plans for upcoming G1 Android customers, instead going to a hold-up-while-we-figure-this-out route. The statement they give now states that they can reduce throughput for "a small fraction" of users who are using too much data, but exact terms and limits are still being reviewed before they're finalized. Statement after the jump.
Our goal, when the T-Mobile G1 becomes available in October, is to provide affordable, high-speed data service allowing customers to experience the full data capabilities of the device and our 3G network. At the same time, we have a responsibility to provide the best network experience for all of our customers so we reserve the right to temporarily reduce data throughput for a small fraction of our customers who have excessive or disproportionate usage that interferes with our network performance or our ability to provide quality service to all of our customers.
We removed the 1GB soft limit from our policy statement, and we are confident that T-Mobile G1 customers will enjoy the high speed of data access over our 3G network. The specific terms for our new data plans are still being reviewed and once they are final we will be certain to share this broadly with current customers and potential new customers.
he jus wanted to be cool but ppl tryin to be cool never succeed
brooklynite said:
6kb/sec? thats slower than dialup!! I a cancelling my G1 order! Lets protest this!
This is from T-Mobile:
TMobile: If your total data usage in any billing cycle is more than 1GB, your data throughput for the remainder of that cycle may be reduced to 50 kbps or less. Your data session, plan, or service may be suspended, terminated, or restricted for significant roaming or if you use your service in a way that interferes with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users
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Please cancel your order. I'm sure there's a Motorola with your name on it somewhere.
This is so retarded...people have had the phone for 2 or 3 days and is amazing all the nonsense crap they talk.
Dude get brand new Iphone that after 2 or 3 year in the market,finally is 3G (I'm kidding)Leave us alone cause we want to enjoy our G1.
For a 1st generation release is working pretty well.
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ok, T-Mobile didnt take it back but rephrased the sentence.
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T-Mobile Removes 1GB 3G Data Cap for G1 Android Phone
T-Mobile's just rolled back on their 1GB usage cap on their 3G plans for upcoming G1 Android customers, instead going to a hold-up-while-we-figure-this-out route. The statement they give now states that they can reduce throughput for "a small fraction" of users who are using too much data, but exact terms and limits are still being reviewed before they're finalized. Statement after the jump.
Our goal, when the T-Mobile G1 becomes available in October, is to provide affordable, high-speed data service allowing customers to experience the full data capabilities of the device and our 3G network. At the same time, we have a responsibility to provide the best network experience for all of our customers so we reserve the right to temporarily reduce data throughput for a small fraction of our customers who have excessive or disproportionate usage that interferes with our network performance or our ability to provide quality service to all of our customers.
We removed the 1GB soft limit from our policy statement, and we are confident that T-Mobile G1 customers will enjoy the high speed of data access over our 3G networky. The specific terms for our new data plans are still being reviewed and once they are final we will be certain to share this broadly with current customers and potential new customers.
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Yeah so if your burning throught 15GB a month dowloading torrents on your phone then they will cut you back but the average user, even power users will never have an issues. Your arguement is lame.
Guys, EASY! I am a noob in this forum!
Sorry all you G1 lovers! I did not mean to offend G1 or Andriod, I am just pissed at T-Mobile being a communist limiting access. The internet on the Wing sucks as the phone is always running out of memory all the time (besides being as slow as dial-up) so I hope it gets a bit better on the G1.
For most of us who are not tethering to download torrents or doing other outrageous things on 3g, it doesn't matter. Their current wording seems to indicate they'll chop the users off the top until the network speeds back up. I will not be using an outrageous amount of bandwidth. But I do want 1 meg a second when I get on to do something. I like the current wording, don't let others screw my network.
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Guys, EASY! I am a noob in this forum!
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okay guys, both sides, calm down. i can see both side's arguments. but yes brooklynite, your first impression with tmobile is valid. but all other carriers do this too, they just don't come out and say it out right.
windows mobile transport layer stack has a transfer limit. so practically speaking, there are lots of things you can't do on your phone or impractical, when compared to your laptop (say using a USB 3G card). hence the most likely thing you do on yoru phone is email, web, chat, which are small data, and music and video, which are bigger but they will be most likely formated for the mobile device so smaller in size compared to the desktop version. so in conclusion, it is really really hard to top that 1GB data each month. you don't need to worry about a thing if you use your phone in a regular sense
now speaking on be half of the other side, "welcome to xda dev", they all mean it, but words came out wrong
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okay guys, both sides, calm down. i can see both side's arguments. but yes brooklynite, your first impression with tmobile is valid. but all other carriers do this too, they just don't come out and say it out right.
windows mobile transport layer stack has a transfer limit. so practically speaking, there are lots of things you can't do on your phone or impractical, when compared to your laptop (say using a USB 3G card). hence the most likely thing you do on yoru phone is email, web, chat, which are small data, and music and video, which are bigger but they will be most likely formated for the mobile device so smaller in size compared to the desktop version. so in conclusion, it is really really hard to top that 1GB data each month. you don't need to worry about a thing if you use your phone in a regular sense
now speaking on be half of the other side, "welcome to xda dev", they all mean it, but words came out wrong
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The 1GB cap had to be removed because the G1 does not to mobile web browsing so video and data is not the mobile version ie, not smaller webpages or formatted for mobile video.
Statement from t-mobile site:
Real Web BrowsingThe T-Mobile G1™ was built to browse the Web. Using the touch screen, QWERTY keyboard and trackball you can access your favorite pages and browse like you were sitting at your computer.
Access in one touch
Real Web, not mobile version
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In other words if you tend to watch youtube on your phone a lot you could reach that 1Gb limit. Not to mention if you received a lot of emails a day with attachments for work purposes, for example I receive about 10MB average a day in attachments varying from PDF files for manuals, electronic drawings etc, Images, in a month you could get 250MB there. Also you have music downloads available through amazon to your phone, averaging at 5MB per file. So 1 GB is quite easy to reach and after that with their previous statement you would be limited to 50K/s till your next cycle. That would be very frustrating.
If adobe flash starts working (I read something about a video player called Video Gadgetz which would enable that) then I'll start watching hulu from my phone when im stuck at airports at one of my many business trips. WiFi is great but you have to pay for it. So I'm hoping they leave it true unlimited but do punish any user who over does it (ie someone actually stupid enough to torrent...it's opensource..it will happen unfortunetly).
By the way..anyopne find any more info on adobe flash compatibility in browsing. I would be so psyched if I could watch hulu on my G1
And I just noticed..i have been a member for almost 2 years..use this forum for all my phone and updates and flashing..and just had my first post... unbelievable..so many forumes..hard to keep track
I never hit 1GB while I was tethering with my Wing. I doubt I have hit 1gb on my G1 as of yet. I doubt I will go above 10GB unless I thether and I surely won't be downloading things like I did on the wing.
BTW you think tmobile is bad. Read the fine print on any of verizons PocketPC or Internet cards that have EVDO... After 5GB they have the right to cancel your contract and charge you the early termination fee. How is that for "being a communist" You do realize these are businesses trying to make money. Not governments trying to keep their people alive.
I use a usb modem on my laptop with a 5GB soft cap. I've hit it once. I don't watch movies online anymore!
When using my Axim online I paid attention to website size and noticed it was 250-400 Kb per click. That adds up fast. Plus watching youtube or downloading music. 1 GB comes up pretty quick.
Although listening to streaming radio doesn't use as much bandwidth as I thought it would. 35 ish for talk radio and 60-70 kb/sec (kilobits not bytes) for music. I used about 28 Mb over a couple of hours of talk radio.
Xbox live also didn't use as much as I thought. Web browsing used more bandwidth than live.
Enough on "picking" on him.
Remember we were all where he is now.
He made a mistake.
Although, flaming him is pissing me off. So stop.
FYI:
Comcast caps their home service to their clients. So if Comcast can Cell providers will as well.
Read the title, do you feel the same way? Are you tired of paying the extra $10 and getting nothing in return? I really dont even care that 4g is not in my area, what does kill me is the reduction in my 3g speeds Up untill 2 or 3 months ago I was pulling 1MB average for downloads, a few weeks before the new PRL's came out this was reduced to .3 MB's. So after a month of this CRAP I did the Verizon PRL trick, I now get 1.4 MB's or so down I was happy as can be again, untill yesterday I read a thread by member jorpe who is getting his service cut off via sprint for roaming to much, thread located HERE. jorpe was NOT using the Verizon hack, he was just roaming quite a bit and watch movies while doing it. I personally tend to stay under 5 gigs per month on all 3 of my phones combined! Do I have anything to worry about here? I have been with sprint for over 10 years, am gold, can call and get what I need from them with no hassle (replacement phones). I do NOT want to lose my account over this PRL thing. But I feel like I am entitled to this speed supplied by the verizon PRL. After all "Its MY data and I want it NOW".
Thoughts???
With BOTH of the sprint PRL's thew speed starts fast then drops way down in the middle of test, then ramps back up at the end, thus appearing to be fast. The average person looks at the download when it starts, its good speed, set the phone down and speed drops. Then one picks it up again to see how far along download is, speed has picked up again (towards end), user thinks download speed has been fast the whole time Its a conspiracy I tell you!!!
test @ 5:25 am on 60677 PRL sprints before 00015
test @ 5:14 am on 00015 PRL sprints latest
test @ 5:03 am on 00001 PRL verizon hack
edit...i think i will alternate PRL's, do the verizon hack for a month, then do the faster of the 2 sprints for a month. I know I am going to get yelled at by people saying the PRL makes no difference in my download speeds, but I beg to differ, I have ran plenty of tests right here from my own phone. basic math tells me there IS a difference
No need for another thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933900
from my phone duh
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wasted time!
I hate to say it.....but I think this one is going to get ugly. I'm staying away (after this post ofcourse).
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yeah next time i post i will make sure it is a port of sense 3.8
oh, after i post the mod to over clock our processor to 2.7 stable
i am looking for help in my WIP/DEV on controlling my SD Card from my phone, i just dont understand why it is mounting as soon as i connect the cable though
i mean after all because to post my experiences and or thoughts in a forum labeled "General" would be totally uncalled for.
my bad
Whether you use 1MB or 500Gigs, if you spend 50% or more of your time roaming, you can get the boot.
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Read the title, do you feel the same way? Are you tired of paying the extra $10 and getting nothing in return? I really dont even care that 4g is not in my area, what does kill me is the reduction in my 3g speeds Up untill 2 or 3 months ago I was pulling 1MB average for downloads, a few weeks before the new PRL's came out this was reduced to .3 MB's. So after a month of this CRAP I did the Verizon PRL trick, I now get 1.4 MB's or so down I was happy as can be again, untill yesterday I read a thread by member jorpe who is getting his service cut off via sprint for roaming to much, thread located HERE. jorpe was NOT using the Verizon hack, he was just roaming quite a bit and watch movies while doing it. I personally tend to stay under 5 gigs per month on all 3 of my phones combined! Do I have anything to worry about here? I have been with sprint for over 10 years, am gold, can call and get what I need from them with no hassle (replacement phones). I do NOT want to lose my account over this PRL thing. But I feel like I am entitled to this speed supplied by the verizon PRL. After all "Its MY data and I want it NOW".
Thoughts???
With BOTH of the sprint PRL's thew speed starts fast then drops way down in the middle of test, then ramps back up at the end, thus appearing to be fast. The average person looks at the download when it starts, its good speed, set the phone down and speed drops. Then one picks it up again to see how far along download is, speed has picked up again (towards end), user thinks download speed has been fast the whole time Its a conspiracy I tell you!!!
test @ 5:25 am on 60677 PRL sprints before 00015
test @ 5:14 am on 00015 PRL sprints latest
test @ 5:03 am on 00001 PRL verizon hack
edit...i think i will alternate PRL's, do the verizon hack for a month, then do the faster of the 2 sprints for a month. I know I am going to get yelled at by people saying the PRL makes no difference in my download speeds, but I beg to differ, I have ran plenty of tests right here from my own phone. basic math tells me there IS a difference
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Companies are being really stupid when it comes to 4G, and the Ipad having 4g is really dumb because of the dumb choices by the cell phone companies. Whats the problem? Should be obvious, data caps. What the hell is the point of faster internet when you can't use it without paying hefty premiums? I am watching verizon advertisements about 4G and how you can download 1100 songs and stream multiple HD movies and it makes me sick. Sure you can download 1100 songs on 4g, if you don't use ur internet for single byte of data for anything else. Sure I can quickly stream movies over 4g, whats the point when the movie will eat up half my data plan? Sure webpages will load faster, but the only websites where it will make a real difference are ones that will eat up my data. What do they think, people want their email messages to download faster? OOO I have 4g, my one email downloads half a second faster. Give me a break.
Putting 4G on the new Ipad I think is more for marketing than it is for anything else, because people will quickly realize that their data usage bills are through the roof when they start using that data for a lot of the things people will use an Ipad for, and by that time it will be too late, they already bought the product. In the long run this will create a ton of consumer backlash. I am so glad I am grandfathered in with unlimited data, because if I had a data cap life would be extremely difficult in regards to my cell phone and tablet usage (HTC Thunderbolt with wireless tether)
AMEN BROTHER!
Just like no sd cards in phone, they give you cloud storage for free, but you get to pay for data. My sd card never charges me when I use it! This is a blatant ploy by the wireless providers to get us to use more and more data, paying them more and more, when they claim they are struggling to keep up with demand and don't have enough spectrum!
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Your right that's one other thing. I love the claims that they need data caps to keep up with demand on a 4g spectrum that is no where near capacity, its so insane how selfish and greedy they can be.
PS I also have grandfathered unlimited data and ATT decided that unlimited is really 3gb and then you get switched to edge. I never agreed to this. I guess big companies can do whatever they want.
And by the way, The HTC Vivid is still sending some data over 4g even when you are on WiFi! I have seen it on 3 phones now! 1.6gb 3 weeks usage, only gmail and weather when not on WiFi, very minimal user, no streaming, no downloading! Beware!
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Well Bros
You Guys are Talking "4G",
Whereas we ,in Pakistan are still Waiting for 3G To be launched...
Or, you could go with someone that offers unlimited data still or buy unbranded like I did.
z33dev33l said:
Or, you could go with someone that offers unlimited data still or buy unbranded like I did.
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In America the only major carrier that still offers unlimited data to new customers is Sprint, who is known for being one of the worst carriers when it comes to getting a signal. I do not know if Europe or other areas have 4G coverage yet and if those countries have options when it comes to unlimited bandwidth.
Also what do you mean when you say buying unbranded?
T mobile does, att does on prepaid.
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T mobile does, att does on prepaid.
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You are sort of right about Tmobile, they won't charge you for overages, but you get dropped to the lower speed network when you go over your plans allotment for 4g, you can pay for 2 gb of 4g speed or you can pay more for 5 gb of 4g speed, so they are still doing tiered data plans and charging more for higher allotment, but doing what ATT does when you go over your plans allotment and dropping you to slow speed.
I believe this should still be considered a problem when they advertise all the high bandwidth things you can do with 4G but require you to either pay a hefty premium to have a decent amount high speed data or force you to crawl internet speeds when you don't want to pay extra but want to do internet intensive things. I just feel its shady marketing practices, especially the current verizon 4gb data 4g ad.
And clearly I do not know how to spell allotment.
I'd hardly consider 3g a crawl...
Would you consider dial-up a crawl? I'm using it now and I would like to shout some distasteful comments about it
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I get 3g speeds after running my 4g into the ground.
sfetaz said:
In America the only major carrier that still offers unlimited data to new customers is Sprint, who is known for being one of the worst carriers when it comes to getting a signal. I do not know if Europe or other areas have 4G coverage yet and if those countries have options when it comes to unlimited bandwidth.
Also what do you mean when you say buying unbranded?
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Speaking for europe I can say there is no 4G in uk but plans for 4G within two years.
We are stuck with 3G which cost me five pound for five hundred mb.
Dave
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We have a 30Gb data limit here in Finland for 4G LTE.
The carriers want you to go over your data limit so they can charge you more. Then they want to recharge you for the same data if you want to tether with it. And for some of us we don't have a choice of many carriers if we want coverage.
They also impose the data cap because VZ is marketing part of their 4g bandwidth to customers now. FIOS is in pretty limited markets and it's a pretty low-cost method for VZ as they don't have to put down new cables or anything. What sucks though is that now you will have people attempting to run all their normal computer data over the same data network as people on their phones which doesn't seem like it will have a good outcome.
Unlimited data
This is the only reason I will not switch from Sprint to Verizon or AT&T. UNLIMITED data! Sooner or later Sprint will take the lead for this simple reason...
All these companies need to break away from wanting consumers to sign a new contract for data on a tablet.
I also believe that having 4G on an iPad is pointless because if you get a texting+voice app you now have a huge iPhone.
Well the telecommunication corporations in north America charge the most in the world so what do you expect. Furthermore, they can get away with it and there is nothing you the consumer can really do about it because it is something such a wide spread amount of people use that they can charge whatever they want.
Not to go off topic but I think socializing the telecommunications industry would be the best course of action as it is a universal service that pretty much everyone uses. It would lower the rates greatly if there wasn't a huge mark up on all the services.
Then again anything a little related to communism is scary because you know Nixon said so and corporations tend to push technology further to stay ahead of their competition so meh.
There are other news media reporting the same story, it will be interesting to see if AT&T will stick to their guns and continue throttling us. I realize there have been other threads discussing this topic but I felt this story deserves it's own thread.
AT&T is offering to discuss a settlement with an iPhone user who won a small-claims case that alleged the company was slowing down his "unlimited" data service
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I see them back in court soon, (them being AT&T).
Now they will throttle at 3GB which effectively renders the unlimited plan null and void and puts everyone with "unlimited" on the 3GB plan!
Nice to see the wee guy win for a change!
Eff phone companies. Greedy whores.
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It is kinda bullsh*t that those of us with unlimited plans do get throttled (Though i have yet to breach my limit... don't often use that much data when i'm out and about)... but i think it's even worse that phone service providers charge extra for tethering. If you ask me, any data plan should come with SOME data allowance for tethering.... say.... if you have the 3GB data plan, maybe allow somewhere around 1-2GB of data that's ONLY for tethering alongside that 3GB mobile data allowance. So you'd have 3GB to use on the go if you're doing stuff on your phone, but have that little extra to use if you're doing something more bandwidth intensive that the phone itself isn't capable of, and you're not near a WiFi connection.
If you ask me... that would probably be the perfect way to please their customers. Hell... it'd make me a little happy. Although... then again... i don't really have any mobile devices BUT my phone... so possibly not.
I hate to be throttled and I've been throttled every month since it started, but really I don't think "unlimited data" guarantees the data has to be a certain minimum speed (real slow downs from network congestion or manufactured through throttling).
I can't quite remember where I read it, but somewhere I read that AT&T promised unlimited, not necessarily fast. (Not a viable excuse, just thought it was a funny thought ) I do wonder however how many people will try to follow with this and how 'out of hand' it may get. I wonder what it will push AT&T to do.
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I hate to be throttled and I've been throttled every month since it started, but really I don't think "unlimited data" guarantees the data has to be a certain minimum speed (real slow downs from network congestion or manufactured through throttling).
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.... Generally... when you hear "Unlimited"... you don't think "Well, it'll become slower than hell if i go this far". That'd be like going to an all you can eat buffet, and they tell you that you can have all you want for the first 15 minutes you're there... but after that you have to wait 10 minutes in between each plate. At this point, there are only really two differences between the 3GB plan and the "Unlimited" plan. Those being that the unlimited plan doesn't get charged for going over 3GB but supposedly goes so ungodly slow after being throttled that it's hardly worth using.... and that the 3GB plan may be charged extra per GB... but at least they can probably use it without being throttled.
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I hate to be throttled and I've been throttled every month since it started, but really I don't think "unlimited data" guarantees the data has to be a certain minimum speed (real slow downs from network congestion or manufactured through throttling).
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The slowdown... makes a phone difficult to use for anything but calls, texts and some emails... .
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I see the point you are trying to make but if it is throttled to the point that it makes using the Internet pointless then it's really no longer a Data Plan.
I would be interested in seeing what information he provided to make his case. I've had an unlimited plan for a few years and this month was the 1st time I got a txt saying I was over 3gb of data. I guess I got thorrtled, but my radio seems to keep me slow the way it is
Actually, once I got the txt, I was a Tad faster.
Yeah it BULL , at&t took my unlimited data plan away cuz i tethered three times to send one email, so i escalated to and asistant call center manager that put it back, at&t is a bunch of deucshe bags, they no how to treat there loyal customers dont they if i could do something about this i would it pisses me off enough too. I WILL SAY THIS ... I NOW AM GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AT&T COMPLETELY, I WILL RIP THEM OFF AND TREAT THEM AS THEY HAVE TREATED ME AND THE REST OF YOU. YOU WANNA CAP MY DATA AND MAKE IT INSIGNIFICANT TO HAVE IT AT&T? HUH? WELL WATCH AS YOU PAY FOR MY DATA PLAN EVERY MONTH, I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE OR ILL JUST GET AN LTE PHONE AND COMPLAIN AND NEVER DO A THING THAT I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS RIDICULOUS COMMENT> BUT IT SURE PISSES ME OFF
some links from that guy's research and other helpful info:
http://taporc.com/
http://www.getheroik.com/featured/h...aims-court-and-win-matthew-spaccarellis-docs/
also, quick question. for those of us who did the iPhone 2G workaround to get unlimited data... how would we go about showing contractual documentation of AT&T providing unlimited service?
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Maybe stop calling it an unlimited plan. That might go a long way to helping their case.
Looks like John Legere just said, "hahaha sucka.. you've been baited to our unlimited data cap"
It has come to our attention over the past few days – thanks to a couple of our readers – that T-Mobile has changed the fine print to its unlimited 4G LTE Simple Choice plans. Head on over to the individual plans or family plans page on T-Mobile’s website and you’ll see the following short line added at the bottom of the page:
“*Unlimited 4G LTE customers who use more than 21 GB of data in a bill cycle will have their data usage de-prioritized compared to other customers for that bill cycle at locations and times when competing network demands occur, resulting in relatively slower speeds.”
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http://www.tmonews.com/2015/06/21gb...mobiles-unlimited-4g-lte-simple-choice-plans/
What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month. But how do we know if our area is congested?
Legere has been bashing other companies about their throttle, but yet he's doing the same thing.
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What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month.
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What and how much are you downloading?
twe90kid said:
Looks like John Legere just said, "hahaha sucka.. you've been baited to our unlimited data cap"
http://www.tmonews.com/2015/06/21gb...mobiles-unlimited-4g-lte-simple-choice-plans/
What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month. But how do we know if our area is congested?
Legere has been bashing other companies about their throttle, but yet he's doing the same thing.
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Not trying to pick a fight, but I'd like to hear how you consistently use that much data on your phone. I'd consider myself a heavy user, and I do break the tethering rules a few times a week, and I don't think I've ever passed 20GB in a month.
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Not trying to pick a fight, but I'd like to hear how you consistently use that much data on your phone. I'd consider myself a heavy user, and I do break the tethering rules a few times a week, and I don't think I've ever passed 20GB in a month.
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A fight it is, lol. But seriously is not about how much data someone's uses but if this is true then it's the fact that John goes around bashing AT&T and Verizon but then pulls this $hit. How much data you use is non of my business but have you ever watch a 5 min YouTube video in 1080 or 1440? There goes about half a Gb.
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Not trying to pick a fight, but I'd like to hear how you consistently use that much data on your phone. I'd consider myself a heavy user, and I do break the tethering rules a few times a week, and I don't think I've ever passed 20GB in a month.
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Breaking 30 - 40 GB is easy depending where you are. Last year I took a family vacation to Disney World and forgot to bring my laptop to store each days videos and pictures. At the time I had a G3 and wife had a Note 3.
At the end of the day our phones would be out of storage when recording videos in 4K and taking pictures in max resolution. Our only two options for making storage space available was to either buy storage for our phones or to upload everything to google drive, dropbox, youtube, box .... Having the unlimited dataplan, why not use it and just upload everything each night so we can clear our phones the next day. Doing this over five days four nights we used over 80 GB of data combined (all videos ended up on youtube while phones were saved in the cloud.
We are going to Disney and Universal in a couple weeks and I plan on doing this again. Outside of special occasions like this, I think we used between 6 and 10 GB combined a month.
moehagene said:
Breaking 30 - 40 GB is easy depending where you are. Last year I took a family vacation to Disney World and forgot to bring my laptop to store each days videos and pictures. At the time I had a G3 and wife had a Note 3.
At the end of the day our phones would be out of storage when recording videos in 4K and taking pictures in max resolution. Our only two options for making storage space available was to either buy storage for our phones or to upload everything to google drive, dropbox, youtube, box .... Having the unlimited dataplan, why not use it and just upload everything each night so we can clear our phones the next day. Doing this over five days four nights we used over 80 GB of data combined (all videos ended up on youtube while phones were saved in the cloud.
We are going to Disney and Universal in a couple weeks and I plan on doing this again. Outside of special occasions like this, I think we used between 6 and 10 GB combined a month.
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Yup.
With a rooted phone and having xposed. My youtube is set to play 1440P as long as it's available.
I also upload my 4k videos that I record at car events.
Photos that you take are about 5mb each (16mp).
Just streaming music and video daily will easily eat 21 GB in less than two weeks. I have a feeling this might get repealed or changed to 31. At least that's a gig a day. It's kinda hypocritical like people have said. There's some interesting comments on tmonews under the article. This will really screw the commuters in big cities plus those who listen to music or videos via headphones at work etc. I guess we really need to see how it goes because there are a few unanswered questions here like what are the peak times and if this changes from tower to tower after depriorization. We'll have to just see how this affects people.
sino8r said:
Just streaming music and video daily will easily eat 21 GB in less than two weeks. I have a feeling this might get repealed or changed to 31. At least that's a gig a day. It's kinda hypocritical like people have said. There's some interesting comments on tmonews under the article. This will really screw the commuters in big cities plus those who listen to music or videos via headphones at work etc. I guess we really need to see how it goes because there are a few unanswered questions here like what are the peak times and if this changes from tower to tower after depriorization. We'll have to just see how this affects people.
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I still like to know what the deprioritize speed is.. for example, if you hit 21gb. And your in a congested area, what speed are you capped at? 1mbps? 5mbps? 10mbps?
Also, does it mean that if we jump from one network to another network, the prioritizing stops? What happens if we go back to the original network, does it start again?
twe90kid said:
I still like to know what the deprioritize speed is.. for example, if you hit 21gb. And your in a congested area, what speed are you capped at? 1mbps? 5mbps? 10mbps?
Also, does it mean that if we jump from one network to another network, the prioritizing stops? What happens if we go back to the original network, does it start again?
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Exactly... Not sure. Some people in the comments on tmonews are clarifying some of those concerns. But really it just seems like speculation so far. I guess we'll see... Not really happy about this myself.
I wouldn't get too upset about it. A good network always has a QOS system in place.
Note that the statement says 'de-prioritized', not throttled. Instead of assigning your account to a lower bandwidth speed, you could be placed in a lower tier in a packet queuing scheduler. This doesn't necessarily limit your bandwidth, it just lets other user's packets go first. When an area is 100% congested, your 'share' of the bandwidth will be less than others. Once there is free network capacity your bandwidth would go back to normal as there would be enough free resources to do so. Realize that network saturation changes by the second, so unless a congested area is constantly overloaded at 100% capacity, you shouldn't experience much speed reduction.
This is completely within the new FCC rules, and is actually a good network management practice.
xanmato said:
I wouldn't get too upset about it. A good network always has a QOS system in place.
Note that the statement says 'de-prioritized', not throttled. Instead of assigning your account to a lower bandwidth speed, you could be placed in a lower tier in a packet queuing scheduler. This doesn't necessarily limit your bandwidth, it just lets other user's packets go first. When an area is 100% congested, your 'share' of the bandwidth will be less than others. Once there is free network capacity your bandwidth would go back to normal as there would be enough free resources to do so. Realize that network saturation changes by the second, so unless a congested area is constantly overloaded at 100% capacity, you shouldn't experience much speed reduction.
This is completely within the new FCC rules, and is actually a good network management practice.
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Yeah it's good in theory (compared to plain throttling) but we haven't really seen it in practical application so far. I live in medium sized city (300 thousand city/1 million metro) and don't have much to worry about really. I have WiFi at work/home and no real excuse to use 60GB a month like I do. Just bad habits. I just have to remember to leave WiFi on lol! No biggie for me. The folks I feel bad for is those who work outside or have no WiFi in office (other than work purposes. Strick company policy a holes etc) and/or commuters that have to ride the subway. I don't really feel sorry for those (and I have a few friends like this) that are too cheap to buy broadband Internet at home. This isn't meant to be a replacement for home Internet unless you have a Hotspot device or whatever they call it these days. I get that. I guess we'll have to see. This plan has been in place a few weeks now. We'll have to see how much it affects people. Hopefully not too much. Good reply though! Clarification is always welcome here:good:
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Yeah it's good in theory (compared to plain throttling) but we haven't really seen it in practical application so far.
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Well, until we get some technical info or some really good test results, we won't know exactly what they are using. Though priority queuing and class based queuing are common in today's networks. I can guarantee they are already using hierarchical fair service curves as it is pretty much required for the HD voice feature to be reliable.
If this system is already in place, then they probably are not using regular throttling tiers, as I am well past the soft cap and am still putting down 80/20 speed. Though I am most likely in an un-congested area. I am wondering just how weighted the de-prioritization scale is for users above the cap.
I use alot of data (70gb) one month that was the most extreme. I download alot of movies and torrents while i sleep. Theres know doubt in my mind that they mess with my speeds especially during peak hours. I with search and get lte then 5 seconds later it drops down. I will search and get it again and the same thing will happen. Meanwhile my wifes phone stays on lte. I also noticed at times ill be on lte but will only be downloading at 100 or 200 kbs where im normally at 1 mbs. But like i said it's usually only at peak hours and lasts for 30min to a hour
twe90kid said:
Looks like John Legere just said, "hahaha sucka.. you've been baited to our unlimited data cap"
http://www.tmonews.com/2015/06/21gb...mobiles-unlimited-4g-lte-simple-choice-plans/
What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month. But how do we know if our area is congested?
Legere has been bashing other companies about their throttle, but yet he's doing the same thing.
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Wait, this is just now making news? That's been in their fine print for almost a year now ever since they started their unlimited data campaign.
I average about 150-200GBs a month on my line alone. I really heavily on my phones data for everything I do while I'm not at home. Sometimes even when I'm home I'll use data just for the heck of it.
T-Mobile is throttling but not as rampant as the other carriers. T-Mobile's throttling depends on network congestion. Other carriers just throttle once you hit a certain number.
There really isn't a way to tell though if your area is heavily congested unless it's a major city; i.e Denver Metro, Manhattan, LA, etc etc.
I am very torn by this as I live in a congested neighborhood that this cap is designed to manage. The tower that serves my neighborhood is oversold. I routinely suffer from slow network speeds on the best of days and I personally have never used enough data to hit the cap. So on one hand, I certainly want my fellow users capped if they are data hogs as bandwidth is very constrained in my local neck of the woods. On the other hand, because my tower is so congested, if I did hit the cap and was de-prioritized, I would immediately hit 2G speeds because there is so much traffic to compete with. So T-Mobile has essentially told me that I have a 21GB data plan as in my neighborhood I will never get more.
With that figure in mind, I have to say that a 15GB plan from Verizon that actually would give me decent speed now seems not so far off from my 21GB "unlimited" plan. T-Mobile is supposed to be adding bandwidth in my neighborhood, but it is no longer a comparison of XGB vs unlimited, but XGB vs 21GB. Verizon and for that matter, Sprint (yes, I know) are offering competitive packages to 21GB and it is possible that even Sprint may give me faster speeds. I am not so sure that I may not make the jump to someone if they can deliver better speeds. For those that live in non-congested neighborhoods, that 21GB cap may never be seen. But in my area, that is a wall.
They are doing what Verizon started doing. Throttling only on congested towers to the top data people. I use to get throttled by Verizon when the Detroit Lions or the Tigers were playing since I work downtown Detroit. Once the games were done I would get better data speeds.
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Using over 80gb a month is taking advantage of a good thing. People who consistently abuse the data limits are the same people who screwed this for everyone. These are the people who feel entitled to abuse every inch they can. Hotels have wifi, there are other ways. I have the unlimited data package fir years, never abused the privilege. Whenever at home I use my wifi even though I have sick DL speeds at home. I will never abuse a situation, just the way I am.
Sent from my Note 4.
So sorry that us heavy users misunderstood what unlimited means. Dangit I knew I should have paid more attention in vocabulary class.
Now I just need to remember not to buy that nice car I want because that would taking advantage of a good thing as others aren't buying it.
Not to step on anyone posting, but I believe that T-Mobile is at fault here. Notwithstanding the individuals that break the rules and tether more than the rules allow, T-Mobile sold me an unlimited plan. I have not exceeded the 21GB limit. My data, according to T-Mobile, is at 11GB. But when I subscribed to the unlimited plan, I asked what that meant and I gave some far out there examples (streaming videos 24 hours a day, etc.). I was told by the T-Mobile customer rep, unlimited means unlimited. No sweat.
The problem is that T-Mobile wanted to attract more business and they used and still use unlimited data plans to attract that business and their network wasn't really ready for that level of activity. I read comments to an article as much as 6 months ago that had users saying that T-Mobile's network was, unlike the other carrier's networks, impervious to slowdowns from added traffic which is simply not true.
But I believe T-Mobile has helped build that impression with the selling all of these unlimited data packages. TMONews had an article a couple of weeks ago asking if unlimited data packages are going away and they quoted John Legere saying that unlimited data packages are only guaranteed for 2 more years. (http://www.tmonews.com/2015/05/is-unlimited-data-going-to-disappear/) Then shortly after they announced this cap. The article's point is that unlimited packages are unsustainable. But T-Mobile keeps selling the idea. All carrier's need to sell what they can provide and not promise more than they can deliver. Perhaps they should say no to a new customer that lives in a neighborhood that is oversold. But they won't.
I love T-Mobile, but I experience very slow speeds due to a wildly oversold network. I would have been much better off if T-Mobile only promised what they can deliver. They can't really deliver unlimited to me. What they told me last week is that unlimited is actually 21GB, if you could get 21GB at the slow download speeds they are currently delivering. For the fellow that got 80GB, if he followed the rules, he is paying for an unlimited plan. In my neighborhood, except for DSL that is unusably slow, I have no other options except wireless. No cable, nothing. I am willing to pay for my data needs. But I want and need the data at reasonably fast speeds. It is not clear that in my neighborhood that T-Mobile can deliver. But now that the cap is in place, T-Mobile has made the comparison clearer. Who can deliver 21GB faster, cheaper and more reliably than anyone else. Because in my oversold neighborhood, 21GB is all that I will get. YMMV.
Good luck finding another carrier that will only delay your packets after 21gb when there is congestion instead of crippling access all together. Your situation is unique and the result should be expected. There is nothing a carrier can do if your area is under serviced when it comes to internet access. xanmato completely gets the concept here. This is not a cap, even calling it a soft cap is a bit much. This is Quality of Service (QOS) at its best and T-Mobile shouldnt be slammed for doing this. Just because its unlimited doesn't mean you can go ahead and use it as your sole internet source for everything you ever do. That was never its intended purpose. If everyone used 80gb a month it would cripple any cellular network unless the heavy users had some kind of consequence and maybe make them use their wifi for once. Maybe in the future the cell network or whatever comes after that will be robust enough to handle everyone using large amounts of bandwidth at once but until then we have to respect the fact that a cellular carrier is not the same thing as an ISP