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[Q] Potential !

Hey guys,
The setting:
So lets say hypothetically, the boot loader is cracked and we have custom Roms along with custom Kernels.
Now:
What is the potential of this phone?
...More specifically, do you guys think the Atrix will be at the top of the mobile world for years to come and be able to match up against newer dual core phones such as the HTC Pyramid, EVO 3D or the new Samsung and LG phones?
Would it be a worthwhile investment?
I'm curious as to whether this phone, if unlocked, will be the standard phone to compete against. Will all other phones coming out still be playing catchup?
I understand the specs, and understand that phones evolve rather quickly.... just curious as to others opinions and their view of the potential the Atrix has.
Thanks,
And lets hope the boot loader gets cracked soon

Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.

veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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it will be just like any other high end phone. old after 6-10 months.

neer2005 said:
Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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I'm completely with you on that
veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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Stuff gets more advanced. Theres no stopping it, theres no way to jump ahead. And theres already stuff about the quad core cortex a9 saying it could come as soon as Q3.
I think the Atrix could be a decent on top phone until 2012 max. Then it's most likely to be murdered by another really awesome phone.

Like other have said tech advances so fast now. with in 10 months there will be something as good if not better along. For example check this out
http://www.thebesthandphone.com/new-quad-core-processors-from-qualcomm.html
some time next year we will most likely see quad core phones on the market.

Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.

veshio said:
Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.

I think the Atrix is a good platform for "potential" simply because it has everything everyone else is working towards PLUS a big 1930 MAH battery. We can learn to tweak things down the road, but that is one big battery considering how slim the phone is.

Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.

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Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.

aszrael1266 said:
Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.

The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%

aszrael1266 said:
The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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I'd be careful of the update. I was getting similar battery life as you with 5-6 hours of display but now I struggle to get 24 hours with 2 hours of display (and I had to remove some apps like Beautiful Widgets and had to turn off my syncing).
My point on the battery life is no one (other than Apple) is trying to improve battery tech. I had the iPhone 4 before the Atrix and I was easily getting 40-50 hours of use and it only had a 1420mAh battery

aszrael1266 said:
well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)

Its the software that can make a device great (40% hardware- 60% software). What good the specs are if the os can't utilize its full potential. One big example is motorola xoom and atrix. Im a bit sad that the mobile phone market is becomming more of a specs/hardware race. And the software is getting left behind. This has been a problem of android. Hope google and its hardware partners(samsung, htc, lg) would put great money into developing better updates for android so it can utilize the whole potential of the hardware rather than continously releasing new phones with premature softwares.
And yeah they should improve battery technoogy too...

G1-8701 said:
i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
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This.
and some, like me, think the 4" screen is the perfect size while the 4.3" screen is too big. However, with all future phones, it just comes down to personal preference.

aszrael1266 said:
Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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live4nyy said:
Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. Where do you get your information? The build of Froyo running on the Atrix has dual core support.

I see no faster on Atrix running Froyo at the moment. The speed is on par with SS GS and NS. But i rely on Motorola because i have had a few SS phones and all of them had hardware/build issues.

I think the phone will be relevant (to us anyway) for around 3 years, same as with last generations top tier phones.
What I think a lot of people here are confusing is, for the most part, relevance aslnd aactual pole position.
You have to talked into consideration how much better tthe next generation phone is, and whether or not that makes the previous generation actually obsolete or just dated.
For instance, I have the Nexus 1 right now and iI got it after I got the Captivate and Atrix. Yes the Atrix is a better phone on paper but it isn't THAT much better to make me want to get rid of my current phone.
I think, logically, that it will be the 2nd generation up that makes the former irrelevant (at this point). The Atrix and dual core phones announced aalready make the first first Gen smartphones (iPhone 1, HTC hero) extremely dated but the latter half (nexus 1, galaxy s, etc) are still relevant ttoday.
Of course you also have to factor in the applications that are being used and the network the phones are on. Right now, this instant, dual core phones aren't needed because of the speed of the network, light usage for CPU for browsing, and widespread video codecs.
Next year that might change.
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The next Flagship

Honorable Members,
I want to part away with this phone, a friend is after me day and night but need to know when the next flagship coming for me to change.It can be HTC or any other brand Android phone.However, i need something that is truly pace setter.

Well, the Samsung Galaxy S2 is out already, and that is your best bet if you want something now, otherwise, you are really waiting for the HTC Sensation, but that will be substantially more expensive. Remember though, the experience is the most important thing, so if you want Sense, keep your phone for a while.
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Wait for the HTC Sensation or Evo 3D the GSM version when available
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I'd go with the Samsung Galaxy S2, its a beast of a phone!

Sensation is basically the DHD with upgraded specs - it looks truly exceptional. 1080p video, a screen that does better colours and uses less power and updated sense. I think that'll be the new desire in terms of popularity for the next 12-24 months.

Tamen said:
Sensation is basically the DHD with upgraded specs - it looks truly exceptional. 1080p video, a screen that does better colours and uses less power and updated sense. I think that'll be the new desire in terms of popularity for the next 12-24 months.
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This.
Do be careful though, will you actually use the extra features? Nobody needs such a phone, so to speak. It will be a smaller upgrade than you think.
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lambomanx1 said:
This.
Do be careful though, will you actually use the extra features? Nobody needs such a phone, so to speak. It will be a smaller upgrade than you think.
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I totally agree. Although I'm a total geek when it comes to phones as I always want the latest and greatest, I know for a fact I'm hardly going to utalize its potential. Hell, all I ever use my Desire HD for is browsing, listening to music, making phonecalls, sending texts and playing some simple games. All an upgrade can do for me at this point is offer better battery life really.

Your usage is no less than anyone else's, it's just that people get massively drawn into the spec war.
When was the last time that anyone really recorded anything 1080p on their phone, aside from it just being there to do? And who exactly is going to completely utilise a dual core processor right now? No multi-threaded apps, and Android's memory management kills off anything that is not in use...so no need for two cores. We are currently in a place where the hardware is outpacing the software by quite a way. Focus needs to be placed on improving the software in the mobile world; this is painfully clear from the rather poor performance of Sense ROMs, for example.
Not saying that the tech is bad, but right now we really don't need it. Hence why I'm waiting a couple of years before I move to a dual core phone - my DHD is enough for anybody in terms of power.
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question, with all these dual core phones coming out, for example the lg optimus 2x is rated at 1GHz, So is it like 2 500MHz cores or 2 1GHz cores, I'm guessing the former ?

It's actually 2x 1ghz.
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Agree on software and battery improvement..if this two no improvement, i will stick to my DHD XD..
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That's true. My only

lambomanx1 said:
Your usage is no less than anyone else's, it's just that people get massively drawn into the spec war.
When was the last time that anyone really recorded anything 1080p on their phone, aside from it just being there to do? And who exactly is going to completely utilise a dual core processor right now? No multi-threaded apps, and Android's memory management kills off anything that is not in use...so no need for two cores. We are currently in a place where the hardware is outpacing the software by quite a way. Focus needs to be placed on improving the software in the mobile world; this is painfully clear from the rather poor performance of Sense ROMs, for example.
Not saying that the tech is bad, but right now we really don't need it. Hence why I'm waiting a couple of years before I move to a dual core phone - my DHD is enough for anybody in terms of power.
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That's true. My only Need is an Android phone that beats my iPhone 4 in terms of looks. In as much I agree that my DHD is a better phone but i will be honest to you that I need a very very beautiful looking phone that can do the job easily.

cracksquirrel said:
question, with all these dual core phones coming out, for example the lg optimus 2x is rated at 1GHz, So is it like 2 500MHz cores or 2 1GHz cores, I'm guessing the former ?
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Note that it doesn't mean that you will have double performance or anything like that. Apps and the OS need to be multithreaded; written to support and use two cores. It will be a long while before this happens, so the by the time Android 3.0 comes, the second core will be used for background tasks to assist multitasking. The issue with that is that memory management in Android means that there won't be many background tasks to actually manage, as they get killed off. And...it's a phone, so you don't really do any multitasking requires a whole core for background processes. So...a bit pointless right now. It'll see its uses in the future for performance, however.
To the post above; if looks are inportant to you, do take a look around before buying, as the newer phones definitely aren't as clean design-wise. The Galaxy S could look great...it's shame about the bloody plastics.
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lambomanx1 said:
Note that it doesn't mean that you will have double performance or anything like that. Apps and the OS need to be multithreaded; written to support and use two cores. It will be a long while before this happens, so the by the time Android 3.0 comes, the second core will be used for background tasks to assist multitasking. The issue with that is that memory management in Android means that there won't be many background tasks to actually manage, as they get killed off. And...it's a phone, so you don't really do any multitasking requires a whole core for background processes. So...a bit pointless right now. It'll see its uses in the future for performance, however.
To the post above; if looks are inportant to you, do take a look around before buying, as the newer phones definitely aren't as clean design-wise. The Galaxy S could look great...it's shame about the bloody plastics.
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Same thing goes to LGO2X..bloody plastics. I heat it!!

I'll keep my dhd for now!
I'll c what the future brings, but for a few new things i wont make the step...
On mayor software enhancement i maybe will reconsider.

lambomanx1 said:
Note that it doesn't mean that you will have double performance or anything like that. Apps and the OS need to be multithreaded; written to support and use two cores
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I know, I was just wondering how they were naming them, for instance I used to have a processor that was advertised as 4.8GHz where in fact it was actually 2 x 2.4GHz cores, That imo is how they should be named, So the LG would be advertised as 2GHz

naimmkassim said:
Same thing goes to LGO2X..bloody plastics. I heat it!!
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It's a real shame, because all these phones have great hardware yet they don't have that premium feel...it unfortunately is the only reason I would buy HTC phones.
cracksquirrel said:
I know, I was just wondering how they were naming them, for instance I used to have a processor that was advertised as 4.8GHz where in fact it was actually 2 x 2.4GHz cores, That imo is how they should be named, So the LG would be advertised as 2GHz
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Definitely not. That is misleading, because doubling single cores doesn't equate to double performance, as you understand. In fact, in most cases it doesn't improve performance at all.
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Still about looks, any phone coming that is real metal and not plastics with big engine?

Alkali said:
Still about looks, any phone coming that is real metal and not plastics with big engine?
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The Sensation is really your only bet to be honest. HTC are the only company that is really pushing the aluminium construction right now.

Beast SGS2 vs Sensantion

i had sensation as second phone so i would like to share my feelings.
I purchased this flagship from HTC having HTC desire S, and also HD. Desire S is owned by my wife atm and she is happy enough. so i like HTC - thats for start
First feelings - impressed- nice phone. Got it - charged to full and lets rock!
Booting and starting to check out system. after 1 hour with screen on + wifi my battery went down to 35% - i say ok its the first cycle lets wait. - after one week its the same. if u wanna watch movie in plane while flying for about 2 hours u better take spare battery - not saying there is no divx support at all.
- keeping sync on gmail and just stand by eats the battery about 10% a hour! not touching the device at all.
-i though ok, lets live with pure battery anyway. but then it started. while holding the phone in landscape - death grip is saying HELLLOOOO i am here! loosing conectivity is normal - wifi disapear - signal went down 2. amazing. i coudlnt believe it. i had never suffered from anything like that -talking about HTC.
-web browsing - no hardware acerelation at all means opening web sites with heavy flash content is taking ages. not mentioning zoom in or out during the stream. while SGS2 can keep streaming during the zooming interval without any lags or issues! i was disapointed a badly. i can see small plus with the resolution - u can feel small diference - i mean better - sharper pages. but not brigther or lighter - the display is so reflective that u can use it as mirror and using the phone under direct sunnlight is almost impossible. so one more +handy mirror
someone rings you? hm how can u hear the phone if the volume set on max is extremly low - even my dog cant hear it!!! if u wanna share some youtube video with your friends they gotta put thems ears on the back panel in order to enjoy it. another disapointment - a big one. not speaking about the quality of the speaker (poor anyway) its about the noise level - being extremly low.
i said ok i like HTC so lets find something i can like/enjoy and finally be happy about.
camera/compare to SGS2 is a bit disapointing again. double flash doesnt help. i could paint better pics then sensation can make. i mean it.macro? what is it?
so i kept going and trying - still searching with hope i will like something.
i though ok i will use it as gps navigation in car at least. lol what a fail. after 4 hours on gps battery dead! maybe i am gonna develop double car charger 2in1 in order to keep sensation alive.
no i am not HTC hater at all. but the huge disapointment that HTC made this time is deadly bad. They made nice looking compact device without brain. its like ferrari with skoda engine and seats from seat. i though it will bring something extraordinary and special - even after installing costum roms - the battery improved and speed 2 - not browsing speed and the battery went up from 8 hours moderate use to 8 hours and 10 min - not mentioning juice defender on at all the times ofc.
so i just changed the sensation on local advertising web site for another SGS2 - u set the add and then meet the possible costumer in person.
and i told the guy that i made the deal with him - lets exhchange hurry - and now i will tell u what u did. U could see his frozen face! He become my friend now and after having almost all previous HTC devices he said he wont come back untill something better will be developed - on HTC side.
SO happy days guys here. And just small tip - sensation is the only one device getting closer in terms off hardware to SGS2 - but the reall power of SGS2 is deep in THE SKY!
I hope this will help some people with doubs about battery life and performance issues.
Once again - i have nothing against HTC and i like them, but i believe they didnt set up sensation well atm. looking at stats list it should perform much better then it does. just quick example - i dont like quadrant or bench tests once its fast and smooth i dont need any bench to confirm that. but the highest i could get from sensation was 3400 on quandrant with 1600 OC!!!!! lol
so i will end this with words;
HAPPY BRIGHT DAYS WITH SAMSUNG
forgive me for my broken english

Are you on drugs? None of that post made sense
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The Sensation is seeming more and more like an interim flagship. The E3D already has more RAM and from everything posted Sense 3.0 is a pig and needs all it can get. The Vigor on Verizon is going to have a full 720p display and a 1.5ghz processor. The Holiday on AT&T is going to have a 4.5" qHD display and also 1GB of RAM. By the end of the year the Sensation's going to be forgotten.

Zac95 said:
Are you on drugs? None of that post made sense
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if u dont have anything constructive to say better dont do it - advice for your future life!

BarryH_GEG said:
The Sensation is seeming more and more like an interim flagship. The E3D already has more RAM and from everything posted Sense 3.0 is a pig and needs all it can get. The Vigor on Verizon is going to have a full 720p display and a 1.5ghz processor. The Holiday on AT&T is going to have a 4.5" qHD display and also 1GB of RAM. By the end of the year the Sensation's going to be forgotten.
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hm i gotta check it out.

I've only just recently jumped onto android after owning every iphone, the sensation was a handset I was considering but reviews put me off.
The two things that made me avoid it were the lack of amoled, and the apparent locked bootloader.
I never got round to playing with a sensation as the store had no demo models.
I am happy enough with my galaxy s so far though

JGS2 said:
I've only just recently jumped onto android after owning every iphone, the sensation was a handset I was considering but reviews put me off.
The two things that made me avoid it were the lack of amoled, and the apparent locked bootloader.
I never got round to playing with a sensation as the store had no demo models.
I am happy enough with my galaxy s so far though
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yeh the bootloader is locked but u can find already few nice leaks on thems forum(sensation forum on XDA). not saying GO FOR IT but honestly at its price range and with its performance better buy SGS2 or stay with SGS1.

Hunteres said:
yeh the bootloader is locked but u can find already few nice leaks on thems forum(sensation forum on XDA). not saying GO FOR IT but honestly at its price range and with its performance better buy SGS2 or stay with SGS1.
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How long do you think the galaxy s 2 will stay top end for?
I know technology moves quickly but I just hope I made the right decision and there's not a better phone coming out next month or something....

JGS2 said:
How long do you think the galaxy s 2 will stay top end for?
I know technology moves quickly but I just hope I made the right decision and there's not a better phone coming out next month or something....
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If I had to guess, I'd say either a SGS2.5 or SGS3 will be out before the holidays. The Nexus 3/Prime is supposed to be out in October and the advances I mentioned above in the two HTC phones will probably prompt Samsung to release something higher end. Think about this though. They just updated and are continuing to sell a version of the SGS1 and it's been out for over a year. So the SGS2 may not be state-of-the-art by Christmas but it should still very much be current.

honestly i believe u can use SGS2 for about an year - untill another companies will reach its level. and SGS2 will last on the top untill SGS3 will be released. and the date inst confirmed yet. but SGS1 is still a good phone. if u dont have enough money or dont wanna waste it just stay where u ar and wait for bargain to upgrade.

BarryH_GEG said:
If I had to guess, I'd say either a SGS2.5 or SGS3 will be out before the holidays. The Nexus 3/Prime is supposed to be out in October and the advances I mentioned above in the two HTC phones will probably prompt Samsung to release something higher end. Think about this though. They just updated and are continuing to sell a version of the SGS1 and it's been out for over a year. So the SGS2 may not be state-of-the-art by Christmas but it should still very much be current.
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Thanks.
That's one thing I find overwhelming coming from apple phones, android has so many handsets running so many different versions of the operating system.
With an apple handset you're pretty much fine for a year, though you have to put up with the restrictive nature of ios.
Ah well either way I'm going to try and keep hold of this handset for 12 months, unless something really tempts me to "upgrade"

Hunteres said:
if u dont have anything constructive to say better dont do it - advice for your future life!
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Future life? I don't believe in reincarnation
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Zac95 said:
Are you on drugs? None of that post made sense
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Lol... epic...

Zac95 said:
Future life? I don't believe in reincarnation
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Not every one on these forums is a native English speaker. Go easy on the guy

I appreciate the OP's comments as I have been wondering how the HTC sensation fares compared to the SGS2. I also find it funny that the HTC battery seems to be a little worse than SGS2 especially given the complaints by some SGS2 users about battery life. I can watch about 5 hours of video on mine no problem.

blue265 said:
I appreciate the OP's comments as I have been wondering how the HTC sensation fares compared to the SGS2. I also find it funny that the HTC battery seems to be a little worse than SGS2 especially given the complaints by some SGS2 users about battery life. I can watch about 5 hours of video on mine no problem.
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I have the Sensation as well and the battery life on it is pretty bad. On the SGS2 with moderate to heavy use I get about 16-18 hours. WIth the Sensation it's a miracle if I get 10. There are two things about the Sensation that are better than the SGS2 and only one is of any practical significance. The first is the HTC keyboard. The auto-correct function on the HTC device is excellent and is far better than Samsung's stock keyboard. The other is weather. No one comes close to what HTC has done with their weather UI. It's nice eye candy but that's about it.

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If I had to guess, I'd say either a SGS2.5 or SGS3 will be out before the holidays. The Nexus 3/Prime is supposed to be out in October and the advances I mentioned above in the two HTC phones will probably prompt Samsung to release something higher end. Think about this though. They just updated and are continuing to sell a version of the SGS1 and it's been out for over a year. So the SGS2 may not be state-of-the-art by Christmas but it should still very much be current.
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I wouldnt know what to feel if something new and better comes out before the end of the year, If they are going nvidia quadcore (Kal-El) then its highly possible they are gonna out a 720P screen as its been in production already.. I wonder if they improved anything aside from bumping the res.

The SGS1 was the fastest phone for almost a year when it got released. NOTHING from the competition could compare when it came down to pure specs last year.
The Desire HD and iPhone 4 were the closest competition, and the SGS1 always won out in benchmarks and in IRL usage.
I would say that the SGS2 will probably not be trumped until early next year. The Nexus Prime will probably have similar innards as the SGS2

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The Desire HD and iPhone 4 were the closest competition, and the SGS1 always won out in benchmarks and in IRL usage.
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iRL usage there are some few aspects the the Iphone4 is faster but other usage scenarios the S1 was faster and was even far more functional than the Iphone4.
Im pretty sure Iphone5 will be targeted to compete with the S2, Infact I even wish the Iphone5 would be better + faster in the majority of tests so that Samsung and Google can hurry up ang release the S3 and ICS.

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Are you on drugs? None of that post made sense
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Made sense to me... Just read.
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Message to all you ship jumpers[Advice]

Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet

maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........

movieaddict said:
maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........
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I use to think like that until i looked at the specs its not worth upgrade the only dual core phone i would say get is Nexus if exynos rumors are true an the support will be excellent as always with NXS phones Snapdragons suck that is why i stay away from Htc

with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer

If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)

movieaddict said:
with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer
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But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing

Jasonhunterx said:
Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet
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Hercules:
1. Has a Super AMOLED+ Display, which is superior to the 1st gen SAMOLED displays (No Pen-Tile, Bettery Battery Life, etc.)
2. Dual Core Processor which can save power, and generally offers better performance - just one of it's cores is faster than ours and even back when teh Vibrant/G2 was released the Scorpion CPU was faster than the Hummingbird. The Hummingbird just had a much better GPU integrated into it.
3. HSPA+ radio
4. Double the RAM of the Vibrant, which is actually more than double when you factor in the RAM dedicated to the GPU. So more like ~110% More System/App-accessible RAM (since the GPU RAM dedicated didn't change AFAICT).
5. 10% bigger battery
6. Better Camera/Camcorder, with LED Flash
7. 2 MegaPixel Front-Facing Camera
8. Wi-Fi Direct, USB On the Go (Not Sure if in US Variants)
9. Actually a factorable level of support from the carriers and OEMs at least for another year+, especially those who stick very close to the international specs (Hercules dubious here)
It's not just about the CPU. That's actually not the first thing to bottleneck in these phones, unless you're doing something specifically to tax it heavily. GPU, RAM, and I/O for example will all bottleneck before the CPU in real-world use.
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Jasonhunterx said:
But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing
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Even when Quad Core phones come out, there will be a better one 4 months later. It's the nature of the beast.
And people said the same about Dual Core processors. They'll say the same thing about 20 core processors in 5 years or whatever time it takes for them to come out, as well...

has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.

N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.

Most of improvements are minor the only thing that would make me wanna switch is the ram an flash an maybe gps only two things that make me mad about phone but i wouldnt say its stupid to upgrade but not best choice an i used sensation which i think is same cpu as herc an it was a little slow i know it has sense which is ram hog but it had 300+
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N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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xriderx66 said:
has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.
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But cpu has been used in other phones an all tech has flaws
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If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)
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Sorry to burst your bubble but the epic touch (nor the SGS2's) battery will fit in the vibrant (battery is to big).

Jasonhunterx said:
That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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Obviously it wasn't needed as much as you need to learn grammar.

Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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Because your a grammar nazi, correct?
Dude GTFO.
Just because he forgot a few , . ' 's doesn't mean he has bad grammar at all.
I've seen people who can't spell things like TABLE, and their well above their age to be able to spell TABLE.

quest4fire said:
Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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More like 3 lol but i mean like people upgrade for minor things i like innovation

I've skipped the dual core laptops, now I have quad core...so I'll probably do the same with my phone, unless it got bricked before that... and I still love it.
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THread closed before this turns into a flame fest.

Just picked up an Epic Touch. God I wish we had an Epic successor...

Two main things.
1. The Touch is a fun ass phone. I love my Epic, but the larger screen and smoothness is a joy. I rooted the ET4G and running Calk's latest on there. Battery life is great too. But no camera button? c'mon... Thankfully it only cost $125, so it was tough to pass up. Got the white too, which is actually pretty nice with a black case. And it'll have better resale value too.
2. I really really really need a keyboard. I can type and edit (edit being the key) with the Epic's keyboard better than I can on screen even with a 4.5" keyboard, swype and what not. Wizzing around docs to go, doing real writing that requires thought and such is just so much easier when you can maneuver seamlessly with arrow keys, have a dedicated row for numbers, don't need to hit buttons to get different layouts.
So we'll see how long I can live with the ET4G before it replaces my Evo3D as the home wifi device or goes to another rep, and I'm back with the Epic.
But the point of this thread is I want to see a new premium slider on Sprint. My Sprint bill may only be $1500/mo, small potatoes in the corporate world, but it gives me three different levels of contacts to complain to. The Droid4 with it's warts and all just has me longing for the latest and greatest slider. So if you're in the same boat, it takes two minutes to drop an email to [email protected] and voice your opinion. I've done that as well as sent emails to my care rep and her boss as well as my local sprint rep. I don't see any slider on the horizon and there is GSIII talk for the summer along with the HTC One that is coming. I'm tired of seeing a plethora of mostly redundant slates proliferate the market while the Droid4 and Epic/Stratosphere remain the lone business/productive oriented devices on the market. I can't be the only one in this boat.

I currently have both sitting next to me. I agree, Caulk's ROM is a thing of beauty. But for whatever reason, I still prefer the Epic rather than the ET4G.
Larger screen size is nice, but it only goes as far as videos and some gaming. Other than that, I feel like I'm holding a phone that's meant for "special" people, in regards to the supersized icons and buttons. I'm by no means overweight, but just using the dialer makes me think that I have a phone designed for fat fingers syndrome.
I was a bit peeved at how long it took me to get the ET4G to die on a single charge, though. Probably went through 2+ regular cycles with the Epic with the amount of usage I put it through. Didn't think a bump in mAh would've been that drastic of an improvement.. although, an extra core can't hurt either. Still, would've been nice to have that sort of longevity out of the box.

xxn0sflam3zxx said:
I currently have both sitting next to me. I agree, Caulk's ROM is a thing of beauty. But for whatever reason, I still prefer the Epic rather than the ET4G.
Larger screen size is nice, but it only goes as far as videos and some gaming. Other than that, I feel like I'm holding a phone that's meant for "special" people, in regards to the supersized icons and buttons. I'm by no means overweight, but just using the dialer makes me think that I have a phone designed for fat fingers syndrome.
I was a bit peeved at how long it took me to get the ET4G to die on a single charge, though. Probably went through 2+ regular cycles with the Epic with the amount of usage I put it through. Didn't think a bump in mAh would've been that drastic of an improvement.. although, an extra processor can't hurt either. Still, would've been nice to have that sort of longevity out of the box.
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quick thing its an extra core not processor haha. the ET4G and most newer phones are Dual Core, if they were Dual Processor HOLY S**T would it be a like having a small desktop at your hands haha

xxn0sflam3zxx said:
I currently have both sitting next to me. I agree, Caulk's ROM is a thing of beauty. But for whatever reason, I still prefer the Epic rather than the ET4G.
Larger screen size is nice, but it only goes as far as videos and some gaming. Other than that, I feel like I'm holding a phone that's meant for "special" people, in regards to the supersized icons and buttons. I'm by no means overweight, but just using the dialer makes me think that I have a phone designed for fat fingers syndrome.
I was a bit peeved at how long it took me to get the ET4G to die on a single charge, though. Probably went through 2+ regular cycles with the Epic with the amount of usage I put it through. Didn't think a bump in mAh would've been that drastic of an improvement.. although, an extra processor can't hurt either. Still, would've been nice to have that sort of longevity out of the box.
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The battery life is impressive so far. Can't believe how long I sit above 80. And don't think it's just the battery. I have an aftermarket 1800mah for my Epic that was tested to be 1500mAh. it's what i've been using for two days, and I've been getting much better battery life than my tricked out Epic. Don't know if it's Calk's battery scripts or the extra core. But it is significant.
As far as it remaining my daily driver, I think it would be a different story if there was a res bump. The screen is impressive. Showing pics for work, viewing movies and such is nice, but it's the same reason I ditched my Streak 7. If I'm going to a larger screen then I want more resolution. I think I'm also spoiled by my 17" 1920x1200 res laptop. I don't need a "retina" screen, but if I already have 480p in my 4", I really need 576 or 600 in something bigger and a supposed "upgrade".
The speed and screen size are nice, but I think the keyboard is actually going to win out. But it does make me long for the Epic's successor. The Epic is far from long in tooth, but it is amazing to see the progression of the last two years.

I'll be receiving my International Galaxy Note in the mail early next week and at least it has a bigger screen it'll support 720p, so it's considered true HD. I'm putting the phone on Straight Talk mobile but keeping my Epic 4G since the company pays the Sprint bill. Just worried once I go big, the Epic will feel like a small toy.

XxLostSoulxX said:
quick thing its an extra core not processor haha. the ET4G and most newer phones are Dual Core, if they were Dual Processor HOLY S**T would it be a like having a small desktop at your hands haha
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Christ. I was long overdue for happy hour on that one. Thanks for the catch

xxn0sflam3zxx said:
Christ. I was long overdue for happy hour on that one. Thanks for the catch
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nothing big haha was just saying

dbpaddler said:
But the point of this thread is I want to see a new premium slider on Sprint.
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Same here.

Wait so dual core, and dual processor is different? So dual core isnt two 1.2ghz processors? It's just two cores that assist with multitasking and help lower battery consumption and lower heat?
AOKP MS4 CM9, *goes all day without charging phone *

Fire n mage said:
Wait so dual core, and dual processor is different? So dual core isnt two 1.2ghz processors? It's just two cores that assist with multitasking and help lower battery consumption and lower heat?
AOKP MS4 CM9, *goes all day without charging phone *
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http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Dual-Processor-vs-Dual-Core-23
C'mon guys

Processors can (and these days most likely have) multiple cores. Then there are computers that have multiple multi-core processors. Many Mac Pros were running two dual or quad core processors. I'm removed from the desktop world but noticed that when I was upgrading my mom's Mac.

iSaint said:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Dual-Processor-vs-Dual-Core-23
C'mon guys
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Thanks for doing the work man XD ill read up nao
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I'm also finding the Touch to charge a lot quicker than my Epic on the same chargers. It's very noticeable.
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