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[Q] Potential !

Hey guys,
The setting:
So lets say hypothetically, the boot loader is cracked and we have custom Roms along with custom Kernels.
Now:
What is the potential of this phone?
...More specifically, do you guys think the Atrix will be at the top of the mobile world for years to come and be able to match up against newer dual core phones such as the HTC Pyramid, EVO 3D or the new Samsung and LG phones?
Would it be a worthwhile investment?
I'm curious as to whether this phone, if unlocked, will be the standard phone to compete against. Will all other phones coming out still be playing catchup?
I understand the specs, and understand that phones evolve rather quickly.... just curious as to others opinions and their view of the potential the Atrix has.
Thanks,
And lets hope the boot loader gets cracked soon

Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.

veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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it will be just like any other high end phone. old after 6-10 months.

neer2005 said:
Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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I'm completely with you on that
veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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Stuff gets more advanced. Theres no stopping it, theres no way to jump ahead. And theres already stuff about the quad core cortex a9 saying it could come as soon as Q3.
I think the Atrix could be a decent on top phone until 2012 max. Then it's most likely to be murdered by another really awesome phone.

Like other have said tech advances so fast now. with in 10 months there will be something as good if not better along. For example check this out
http://www.thebesthandphone.com/new-quad-core-processors-from-qualcomm.html
some time next year we will most likely see quad core phones on the market.

Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.

veshio said:
Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.

I think the Atrix is a good platform for "potential" simply because it has everything everyone else is working towards PLUS a big 1930 MAH battery. We can learn to tweak things down the road, but that is one big battery considering how slim the phone is.

Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.

live4nyy said:
Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.

aszrael1266 said:
Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.

The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%

aszrael1266 said:
The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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I'd be careful of the update. I was getting similar battery life as you with 5-6 hours of display but now I struggle to get 24 hours with 2 hours of display (and I had to remove some apps like Beautiful Widgets and had to turn off my syncing).
My point on the battery life is no one (other than Apple) is trying to improve battery tech. I had the iPhone 4 before the Atrix and I was easily getting 40-50 hours of use and it only had a 1420mAh battery

aszrael1266 said:
well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)

Its the software that can make a device great (40% hardware- 60% software). What good the specs are if the os can't utilize its full potential. One big example is motorola xoom and atrix. Im a bit sad that the mobile phone market is becomming more of a specs/hardware race. And the software is getting left behind. This has been a problem of android. Hope google and its hardware partners(samsung, htc, lg) would put great money into developing better updates for android so it can utilize the whole potential of the hardware rather than continously releasing new phones with premature softwares.
And yeah they should improve battery technoogy too...

G1-8701 said:
i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
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This.
and some, like me, think the 4" screen is the perfect size while the 4.3" screen is too big. However, with all future phones, it just comes down to personal preference.

aszrael1266 said:
Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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live4nyy said:
Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. Where do you get your information? The build of Froyo running on the Atrix has dual core support.

I see no faster on Atrix running Froyo at the moment. The speed is on par with SS GS and NS. But i rely on Motorola because i have had a few SS phones and all of them had hardware/build issues.

I think the phone will be relevant (to us anyway) for around 3 years, same as with last generations top tier phones.
What I think a lot of people here are confusing is, for the most part, relevance aslnd aactual pole position.
You have to talked into consideration how much better tthe next generation phone is, and whether or not that makes the previous generation actually obsolete or just dated.
For instance, I have the Nexus 1 right now and iI got it after I got the Captivate and Atrix. Yes the Atrix is a better phone on paper but it isn't THAT much better to make me want to get rid of my current phone.
I think, logically, that it will be the 2nd generation up that makes the former irrelevant (at this point). The Atrix and dual core phones announced aalready make the first first Gen smartphones (iPhone 1, HTC hero) extremely dated but the latter half (nexus 1, galaxy s, etc) are still relevant ttoday.
Of course you also have to factor in the applications that are being used and the network the phones are on. Right now, this instant, dual core phones aren't needed because of the speed of the network, light usage for CPU for browsing, and widespread video codecs.
Next year that might change.
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[Q] Atrix or Nexus S or wait for galaxy s2?

Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.

Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I've had a nexus s and it does not lag at all, neither does my atrix. Single core or dual core it doesn't seem to make a difference to me. In my experience the atrix has better battery life. As far as the screens go that's a matter of opinion, the samoled seems more vibrant but is utterly useless in sunlight. As much as I hate BLUR, I chose the atrix over the nexus s and once we have an AOSP Rom I will have no regrets whatsoever.
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Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I had the nexus s, it wasn't much of an improvement over my custom rommed Captivate, so I took it back. I was also looking forward to the Galaxy S2's release in America, until I got Gingerbread on my Atrix. There is no way the GS2 will be a substantial improvement over my Atrix now.
The Motorola Atrix was voted as the best phone at CES, and with Gingerbread it lives up to those accolades. Froyo and the ridiculous price of the lapdock killed this phone's initial release.
Take a look at the top results on Smartbench 2011, there is a reason Samsung delayed the GS2's release and overclocked it to 1.2ghz. Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.

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Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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So will the battery life lol

Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.

Thewalrus0034 said:
Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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RogerPodacter said:
I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.

I had nexus so and atrix together for two weeks. There is major performance difference between the two. Nexus s's 512 mb ram was the deal breaker for me, it was not enough. I think I'm spoiled by the 1gb ram.
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wintermute000 said:
If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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I really like my Atrix, but I would wait and see what the next Nexus phone will bring.

Atrix ftw, i think its best phone so far for me

Sinful Animosity said:
Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)

I own both and I prefer the Atrix.
With an AOSP ROM this phone will scream.
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Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I would stay away from the Nexus S. Ya, it's Raw Goog but the sub-par RAM, single core chip and cheap plastic construction just aren't worth it especially on a new contract.
I'm loving my Atrix on GB, rooted, de-blurred (Titanium freeze) and running Go Launcher EX. I experience no lag, web browser is lighting fast, GPS is the best I've experienced from a phone. That's my experience and opinion. Considering the timing of your upgrade I would suggest checking the SG2 out as it may be more to your liking. Some people like Sammy HW some don't (I personally hate it, especially their damn "Chin" design philosophy).
That said, you cannot go wrong with the Atrix, it's an excellent phone. I traded in my Inspire 4G at a loss and don't regret my decision one bit.
Oh, and DL/UL speed in Houston, TX I've been averaging 3.5mb down (6 max) and 1.3mb up (2.1 max). Inspire 4G never made it over 2.5 down (1 Ghz. w/ 768mb RAM). Atrix is on par with my friend's EVO 4G (Sprint WiMax, he avgs 2-3 but has a max he's gotten of 7 once) and another friend's T-Bolt (Verizon LTE, 5-6 avg and a max of 8). And yes processor and RAM do affect your up/down as it's partially determined by the amount of data your phone can process, another reason to stay away from the S at this point.

wintermute000 said:
well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
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Might have been my thread. I apologize, but I was wrong. Even tough performance has increased substantially (from 8-10 fps to an average of 24) when playing high profile h.264, it still isnt perfectly smooth and, for some reason, the episodes of Game of Thrones were mute for me, which indicates a continuing lack of support to audio codecs. After converting it with the Handbrake method, it worked flawlessly.
@OP
The Atrix and the SGS2 have different offerings. SGS2 has a standardly overclocked processor, a bigger, brighter screen, less weight, and a GPU accelerated browser. The Atrix has a much higher pixel density, better battery life, and a specialized game store (Nvidia Tegra Zone which, despite the lack of titles in numbers, the ones it DOES have possess highly improved graphics over standard versions).
And for many of us, it has a lapdock, which is a perfect netbook replacement if all you do is work with word, excel, and light web browsing, being lighter and having better battery life than many netbooks. Its also fun like hell to play at customizing it

I like the overall build with the Motorola Atrix, but without the GPU accelerated and NEON support, would I be at a significant hardware disadvantage for everyday use? I feel I wouldn't. Also, any complaints about the screen?

Okay. Opera provides a gpu accelerated browser that is blazing fast. The screen is really nice, but you may notice grainy greens.
Edit: oh, neon support isn't an issue, at least for me. Most of my videos can be played using moboplayer.
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The atrix also is not sized like a giant brick but weighing like a feather toy (the #1 reason I didn't go for the SGS2). Form factor wins for me. Not to mention in Australia, atrix is 150-200 dollars cheaper.
I would say though with froyo it is noticeably inferior. But that's no longer an issue, whether stock or unlock BL/custom ROM.

If you want a big screen and fast phone....sgs2, if you want sething new and try some mods atrix, if yu are a hard modder HD2
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Now that there's actual photos of the AT&T galaxy family, would anyone consider it a superior choice? I kinda like the idea of a physical keyboard but I'm used to portrait like on my blackberry.

Message to all you ship jumpers[Advice]

Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet

maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........

movieaddict said:
maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........
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I use to think like that until i looked at the specs its not worth upgrade the only dual core phone i would say get is Nexus if exynos rumors are true an the support will be excellent as always with NXS phones Snapdragons suck that is why i stay away from Htc

with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer

If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)

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with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer
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But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing

Jasonhunterx said:
Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet
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Hercules:
1. Has a Super AMOLED+ Display, which is superior to the 1st gen SAMOLED displays (No Pen-Tile, Bettery Battery Life, etc.)
2. Dual Core Processor which can save power, and generally offers better performance - just one of it's cores is faster than ours and even back when teh Vibrant/G2 was released the Scorpion CPU was faster than the Hummingbird. The Hummingbird just had a much better GPU integrated into it.
3. HSPA+ radio
4. Double the RAM of the Vibrant, which is actually more than double when you factor in the RAM dedicated to the GPU. So more like ~110% More System/App-accessible RAM (since the GPU RAM dedicated didn't change AFAICT).
5. 10% bigger battery
6. Better Camera/Camcorder, with LED Flash
7. 2 MegaPixel Front-Facing Camera
8. Wi-Fi Direct, USB On the Go (Not Sure if in US Variants)
9. Actually a factorable level of support from the carriers and OEMs at least for another year+, especially those who stick very close to the international specs (Hercules dubious here)
It's not just about the CPU. That's actually not the first thing to bottleneck in these phones, unless you're doing something specifically to tax it heavily. GPU, RAM, and I/O for example will all bottleneck before the CPU in real-world use.
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Jasonhunterx said:
But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing
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Even when Quad Core phones come out, there will be a better one 4 months later. It's the nature of the beast.
And people said the same about Dual Core processors. They'll say the same thing about 20 core processors in 5 years or whatever time it takes for them to come out, as well...

has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.

N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.

Most of improvements are minor the only thing that would make me wanna switch is the ram an flash an maybe gps only two things that make me mad about phone but i wouldnt say its stupid to upgrade but not best choice an i used sensation which i think is same cpu as herc an it was a little slow i know it has sense which is ram hog but it had 300+
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jamesd86 said:
N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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xriderx66 said:
has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.
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But cpu has been used in other phones an all tech has flaws
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rakeshchn said:
If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)
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Sorry to burst your bubble but the epic touch (nor the SGS2's) battery will fit in the vibrant (battery is to big).

Jasonhunterx said:
That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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Obviously it wasn't needed as much as you need to learn grammar.

Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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Because your a grammar nazi, correct?
Dude GTFO.
Just because he forgot a few , . ' 's doesn't mean he has bad grammar at all.
I've seen people who can't spell things like TABLE, and their well above their age to be able to spell TABLE.

quest4fire said:
Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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More like 3 lol but i mean like people upgrade for minor things i like innovation

I've skipped the dual core laptops, now I have quad core...so I'll probably do the same with my phone, unless it got bricked before that... and I still love it.
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THread closed before this turns into a flame fest.

Oh come on...

http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/htc-edge-could-be-the-first-quad-core-phone-2011117/
This would be cool, pure rumors though. I'm already solid on getting the Rezound anyways, but, anyone with credible knowledge know exactly how a quad core would really help a phone? And tablets?
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For what I know, no it won't do anything. Rezound on release day for me

dmeadows013 said:
For what I know, no it won't do anything. Rezound on release day for me
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That's what I figured. And unfortunately, Rezound a month after release date for me

im really torn between rezound and galaxy nexus. I would probably root my rezound asap anyways. same with the galaxy nexus. I guess it comes down to the 1.5ghz processor vs 1.2ghz in the nexus. and the cameras....we shall see
but 4 cores....*droool*

quad core is to much for a phone IMO. tablet yes but phone..... there is no point. ITS A PHONE! if you needed that much power to make a call then there is something wrong with the phone. i feel dual cores are the most ever needed. maybe beef the ram up and and the dual core's speed to 2.0ghz and that should be the end of it.

Come on guys....does anyone really think there will be an 'end' to this? A year from now...if you don't have a quad core...you'll be old hat. Not that we will need it but, oh, you'll have to have it.
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quad core is to much for a phone IMO. tablet yes but phone..... there is no point. ITS A PHONE! if you needed that much power to make a call then there is something wrong with the phone. i feel dual cores are the most ever needed. maybe beef the ram up and and the dual core's speed to 2.0ghz and that should be the end of it.
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Exactly. After I get the Rezound, I'm gonna root it right away, and probably try to clock it up to around 2.0, I'll be set with this phone for the next maybe year and a half or so. Unless there's an extreme breakthrough in battery technology, I'm not getting another phone for a long time, I really don't care how many damn cores they put in it.

username235 said:
Exactly. After I get the Rezound, I'm gonna root it right away, and probably try to clock it up to around 2.0, I'll be set with this phone for the next maybe year and a half or so. Unless there's an extreme breakthrough in battery technology, I'm not getting another phone for a long time, I really don't care how many damn cores they put in it.
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yeah they need to dump $$$ into R&D on the battery and making the phone last longer and not more power. soon we will only be able to run the phone for 4 hours with all the power going into it. if i wanted to use my phone as my laptop i would use my laptop. at full performance the thing only last 2 hours. i dont want my phone to be this way.
things i want to see in a phone.
longer battery. i would like18 hours of extreme use.
better camera sensors. (ie light sensors, better exposure control ect)
a 3mp front face camera. (that is more than enough)
Higher screen res
thats all i can think of. i think a 2.0 Dual core phone with 1ghz of ram maybe 2ghz one day. 2ghz rom and internal storage of 16gb.
that would make one mean phone.

The benefit of more cores is that it will save battery life while increasing performance (if done correctly) so each core should be slower but all together much more powerful and consumes much less energy.

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The benefit of more cores is that it will save battery life while increasing performance (if done correctly) so each core should be slower but all together much more powerful and consumes much less energy.
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i didnt know that. i thought it was just more power means more battery loss. thats good to know.

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The benefit of more cores is that it will save battery life while increasing performance (if done correctly) so each core should be slower but all together much more powerful and consumes much less energy.
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That makes sense. Well, I'm still gonna go with the Rezound, by the time I'm due for another phone, I'm hoping batteries will be better, and there'll be a better quantity of super amoled plus screens, for HTC, not just Samsung and Motorola, and quad cores, or maybe even something higher, will be the norm. And something like, I dunno, 1080p screens. Though, I'd still only go with a 4.3 inch screen...some screens now are getting too big. Oh, and Jelly Bean will be around by then and maybe some Sense 5.0

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That makes sense. Well, I'm still gonna go with the Rezound, by the time I'm due for another phone, I'm hoping batteries will be better, and there'll be a better quantity of super amoled plus screens, for HTC, not just Samsung and Motorola, and quad cores, or maybe even something higher, will be the norm. And something like, I dunno, 1080p screens. Though, I'd still only go with a 4.3 inch screen...some screens now are getting too big. Oh, and Jelly Bean will be around by then and maybe some Sense 5.0
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Heck the screen on the rezound is really nice! Of has some 340 ppi with its screen which is 20 more ppi than the screen on the iPhone! Now that's a good screen!
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Some info on Nvidia's Tegra 3
http://m.ign.com/articles/2011/11/08/nvidia-unleashes-the-quad-core-tegra-3-processor
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Some info on Nvidia's Tegra 3
http://m.ign.com/articles/2011/11/08/nvidia-unleashes-the-quad-core-tegra-3-processor
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yeah for a tablet it would be good but for a phone. idk i dont play video games on my phone. screen is to small and it hurts my neck. XD

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yeah for a tablet it would be good but for a phone. idk i dont play video games on my phone. screen is to small and it hurts my neck. XD
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I would hope that the power saving features would carry over pretty well. Btw I got that file to install last night. Hit me up on gtalk, ill tell you what happened
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anyone considering the Rezound read this?
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htcs-likely-rezounding-disappointment/
I have the Inc for another year, no complaints about that... miui is keeping me happy, Hopefully Google will be pushing out some of their own hardware by then, delivering super polished devices, dual/quad/octo whatever... also, they discovered something about nanotube technology and battery life/ charging...
http://www.nanowerk.com/news/newsid=23278.php
that strip she is holding is the batt... I donno if this will help us, but i dont care if my battery dies in 2 hours as long as it can charge in 30 seconds... also, imagine the size of the phone?

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anyone considering the Rezound read this?
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htcs-likely-rezounding-disappointment/
I have the Inc for another year, no complaints about that... miui is keeping me happy, Hopefully Google will be pushing out some of their own hardware by then, delivering super polished devices, dual/quad/octo whatever... also, they discovered something about nanotube technology and battery life/ charging...
http://www.nanowerk.com/news/newsid=23278.php
that strip she is holding is the batt... I donno if this will help us, but i dont care if my battery dies in 2 hours as long as it can charge in 30 seconds... also, imagine the size of the phone?
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As sweet as the Rezound is spec wise if the bootloader is locked with no way to unlock and achieve S-off then it will be the Nexus for me. Regardless I plan in waiting at least a month or 2 or longer to see what happens with each and where the devs go.
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I made a thread about this earlier, about locked bootloaders.... Somebody basically said "its HTC so it will be unlocked".... Apparently not. It will be a gnex for me as well if the HTC is locked down
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yeah that's the theory anyway, since this will be one of the first 4-core phones it could totally suck horrible battery life.
I'm loving a lot of the phones that are coming out, but my INC hasn't failed me yet- and there's nothing pushing me to get anything else besides pure neediness. A few more months and I will see
maybe something tragic will happen to my INC and I'll get one of these badassery phones.

Looks like a sweet phone. Quad-core may be worth waiting for. Battery life is going to be the question though.

HTC to Compete with Galaxy Note

"HTC might actually be the star of the Android show this time around though, as we have been told HTC will have a major flagship device hitting Verizon shelves in the fall. It’s said to feature a whopping 5-inch 1080p HD display (a non-PenTile screen), a new chipset that includes a quad-core Krait CPU and an Adreno 320 GPU, HTC Sense 5 and a Scribe pen. Yes, HTC is launching a Galaxy Note competitor."
http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/26/verizons-summer-fall-2012-smartphone-roadmap/
If the Scribe pen is going to be built into the Phone like it is the the S-Pen...this may be worth looking at. I would preffer a 5 inch to a 5.3 inch...that tiny bit may make the difference on making it easier to touch the Symbol switch button on the keyboard...plus a 1080p display on a 5" display!? and I though a 720p display was sweet!
I don't plan on letting my Note for a while yet, but this would be a nice piece of tech to look forward too.

Spartan2x said:
"HTC might actually be the star of the Android show this time around though, as we have been told HTC will have a major flagship device hitting Verizon shelves in the fall. It’s said to feature a whopping 5-inch 1080p HD display (a non-PenTile screen), a new chipset that includes a quad-core Krait CPU and an Adreno 320 GPU, HTC Sense 5 and a Scribe pen. Yes, HTC is launching a Galaxy Note competitor."
http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/26/verizons-summer-fall-2012-smartphone-roadmap/
If the Scribe pen is going to be built into the Phone like it is the the S-Pen...this may be worth looking at. I would preffer a 5 inch to a 5.3 inch...that tiny bit may make the difference on making it easier to touch the Symbol switch button on the keyboard...plus a 1080p display on a 5" display!? and I though a 720p display was sweet!
I don't plan on letting my Note for a while yet, but this would be a nice piece of tech to look forward too.
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emmm if it will be 5 inch lcd screen, then have fun with battery life ;D

Yeah. The power draw will be disgusting. =/
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Looks like an lg vu to me???
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well we will have The Note 2 ... Just watch IFA.....
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Wouldn't be a huge competitor I think, at least for me. The screen would draw massive amounts of power being non-pentile for 5in. Not to mention its also a 1080p screen taking up even more battery for the GPU. So you'd need a huge battery which would make the device heavy and bulky. The krait chip is ok on power consumption, but I still think quad-core, unless there was webtop, is unnecessary. Especially since the a15 dual cores fly and have better power consumption. But then again it's a selling point to some people to have the best of the best. What I want is a Note2 with basically everything the curent has, but the
Exynos 5250 (2.0 dual core cortex a15). I'd like to see an upgraded Mali to go along with it, although they're power as it is anyways. Along with some other small things like LED notification, 12mp camera, and maybe a more accurate stylus (it can be off by 3mm sometimes for me). I would probably buy it quickly then.

Nah, I don't want LCD TFT screen after Super Amoled. Why don't use it?! Even Motorola now use Super Amoled.
Competition of 5" smartphones is a good thing.

If HTC still uses qualcomm CPU, I don't think I will move back to HTC.
I used to be HTC fanboy, really love HTC sense's integration, best proprietary Launcher/UI/framework among ALL android devices, I didn't even feel like I need to root nor change launcher when I was using HTC devices
BUT HTC really has a loose end on hardware spec. when I was going to upgrade my HTC Desire, I was choosing between HTC sensation and Samsung Galaxy SII.
Sensation was a HUGE disappointment to me, sluggish control, pitiful hardware spec as a flagship product. I ended up got the SII.
SII has superb hardware, everything was SO smooth and fast but the touchwiz is a major let down to me. I always hope one day I could use HTC sense on Samsung devices(which now I understand it will never happen)
Now I have Note, still the touchwiz is a real bugger but now I flashed ICS Stunner with Apex launcher, only thing I miss is the function S-Pen with S-memo. the rest are excellent. still not as good as SenseUI for my taste but close enough.
IF new HTC's Note competitor can have the smoothness operation like Samsung's device and retain the ability of SenseUI.
I will move back to HTC in a heartbeat.
I honestly don't like to flash rom, fix this fix that. I like good proprietary stuffs, maybe I am getting old, I don't like to geek around like I used to. I just want to have a phone that works for my taste at the first day I bought it, no mods, no flash.
sorry for the long post. Just my little thoughts

Well if the screen is S-LCD2 like the one on the One X then I'll seriously consider it..
Sense is the best UI out there, period (IMHO of course)
But I agree with @whatsaqazza, I'll take dual core A15 over quad core A9 any day, and it's obvious in One S vs One X that it has better performance and better battery life as well
Let's wait and see

Most of the high end devices are fast enough these days. I'd rather see more effort spent on power savings. I'd like to be able to beat the heck out of my device for a good 16 hours and still come home with 20% battery left. Dual core is fine.

What's up with all the "Sense UI" love? I upgraded from an iPhone to my first android phone -- an HTC Evo 4g. I absolutely loved it over the dumb iPhone. Then I upgraded to the Dell Streak 5 because I wanted a bigger phone. I later grew out of it got an HTC Inspire, once again I was a happy camper. So at that point, I decided I would never go back to another NON-HTC phone... until, my friend showed me the new Samsung Infuse 4G.. after playing with it a few mins, I was in LOVE with it! I couldn't believe what I was missing out on, the TouchWiz UI of Samsung made the Android experience even better! The next day I sold mine on craigslist and got me a brand new Infuse 4G off of ebay and have ever since become a fan of Samsung. Even today, after trying out a few Roms and custom launchers from the Market, I always end up coming back to my beloved TouchWiz UI. It is absolutely the best! I just can't stand using my phone without TouchWiz. It's that good!

I ****ing love my Note, but even I can't find a single argument in favour of tw over sense? Sense is just the most polished launcher anywhere.
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What's up with all the "Sense UI" love?
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I tried HTC HD2 and Wildfire about 2-3 months. Touchwiz is crap but Sense is worse, I really don't understand it and I don't like this UI style. It is almost impossible to customize. Very bad that all manufactors spit on Google offer a choice for users to choose Android stock interface or using inconvenient unpolished manufacturer UI, which add so many troubles and eat many % of battery and RAM.

Personally I hate sense. I find TouchWiz smoother, sadly. TouchWiz may lack the feature set or polish, but actual USE is smoother/quicker.
That said it is irrelevant for me until HTC switches screens. Those Pentile LCD's are just ugly IMO.

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Most of the high end devices are fast enough these days. I'd rather see more effort spent on power savings. I'd like to be able to beat the heck out of my device for a good 16 hours and still come home with 20% battery left. Dual core is fine.
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Same situation than in the ultrabook field. Yeah, there are Core i7, quad-core, 3.4 GHz parts, and GPUs with 2 GB dedicated RAM, but that on a small and thin device only means 2 hr battery life, chasis and keyboard hot as hell and noisy fan that breaks twice a year.
I keep using my Galaxy Note on power savings mode, and when I buy a new laptop, I'll make sure it has an Ivy Bridge ULV chip (17 W TDP). I do not run anything that requieres so much power and I do not like hot and noisy things on my hands for hours.
That may be OK on a gaming desktop, with plenty of fans and away from you under a desk, but not on a portable device. Look at the people complaining about the new chip on the New Ipad. Just selling GHz is not the point nowadays.

I can't believe how much people like Sense & Touchwizz.
I think that the best skin over android is Sony's. I just bought an Xperia S for my dad & absolutely love the live wallpaper, the weather widget & the overall skin on the settings list etc. Seriously, nothing else compares IMHO.
That being said, I personally never had a HTC Phone, but have played with a friend's one for a while. I felt that neither Sense nor Touchwizz was really good enough.

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I can't believe how much people like Sense & Touchwizz.
I think that the best skin over android is Sony's. I just bought an Xperia S for my dad & absolutely love the live wallpaper, the weather widget & the overall skin on the settings list etc. Seriously, nothing else compares IMHO.
That being said, I personally never had a HTC Phone, but have played with a friend's one for a while. I felt that neither Sense nor Touchwizz was really good enough.
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Once you are on AOSP or CM9, you don't want to go back to TouchWiz. Also, I coudn't stand Blur while on my Motorola Atrix. I was happy to become "blur-less". I have a friend who has a HTC and they were happy to become "sense-less" as well.

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Personally I hate sense. I find TouchWiz smoother, sadly. TouchWiz may lack the feature set or polish, but actual USE is smoother/quicker.
That said it is irrelevant for me until HTC switches screens. Those Pentile LCD's are just ugly IMO.
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You have literally no idea what you're talking about when it comes to screen technology.
Also, your eyesight must not be exemplary or you would have noticed the phone you tapped this out on uses a pentile subpixel arrangement. ;-)
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1080p on a 5" screen ? .. would that be something like 450ppi ? I find that a stupid waste on battery power on something that tbh, can we really tell with a 5" screen.. I would have opted for a 720p screen to cut cost and save battery.
I could be completely wrong..im just guessing
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1080p on a 5" screen ? .. would that be something like 450ppi ? I find that a stupid waste on battery power on something that tbh, can we really tell with a 5" screen.. I would have opted for a 720p screen to cut cost and save battery.
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I completely agree, but you have people who just want "the best". 1080p is overdoing it, 720p is perfect for 5.3in IMO.
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